England's Blunder, by Blunkett
The issue was: "What the hell do you do about it?' All we could do as a nation of 60 million off the coast of mainland Europe was to seek to influence the most powerful nation in the world," he said in interviews to publicise his new diaries.
"We did seek to influence them, but we were not in charge . . .
"We dismantled the structure of a functioning state," he said, adding that the British view was: "Change them by all means, decapitate them even, but very quickly get the arms and legs moving." '
The quote is attributed to David Blunkett, who was as close as anyone to Tony Blair in the crucial months in which the Labor leaders decided to become the dupes and pawns of the Bush Administration. The fact is that if Britain had gone public with any of its concerns it is entirely possible that the Administration would have been unable to make as many mistakes as it did make.
However, in any event, even if the occupation had been handled well, instead of abysmally, the counterfactual history of Iraq would not necessarily have produced a happy end. The notion that a continuation of the Sunni repression under an American flag would have been happily accepted by the Shiite majority is the sort of fantasy that has plagued American thought since Bush campaign for the White House. Mainstream reporters overlooked the obvious signs of disqualification when Governor Bush was running; they misreported on his campaign; they focussed on their petty personality conflicts with Vice President Gore; they longed for the return of traditional power structure, in which the truly rich bought rich canapes for the Washington crowd; and from the moment Florida was not counted until even the present the true nightmarish quality of the current government has been the elephant in the room that they simply cannot describe, for reasons that stem from the pocketbook and not the conscience. But the distortion of reality in the funhouse mirror of the mainstream media at all times has been glossed with the appearance of truth by the disingenuous British government's lickspittle attitude toward the Administration. The reason there is similar to the reason here: they have been obedient to the City, their Wall Street, and to the Media, their Murdoch-led version of the MSM, instead of to their better angels. And the result is a loss of political power, self-respect, and reputation by what promised to be the best government in the long history of Britain.












"The fact is that if Britain had gone public with any of its concerns it is entirely possible that the Administration would have been unable to make as many mistakes as it did make."
Mr.Hundt, the fact is without the support of Tony Blair with his fulsome, rotund lying, with his enthusiastic support for "fixing the intelligence", I am not sure we would have gone ahead with the disastrous and immoral aggression in Iraq. The Democratic enablers (Lieberman, Beinart, DLC, Biden, Clinton, et.al.) have been skewered repeatedly and deservedly for their critical support for this disaster. At least for some of these, it is true that they faced a political juggernaut that would have eviscerated them...although their opposition to the lies of Bush would have enabled a healthier debate on policy and would have brought the opposition viewpoint into the debate much earlier (the way a democracy is supposed to work). But there is no equivalent excuse for Blair. We have a saying here, "friends don't let friends drive drunk"; by acceding cynically to American policy to get himself and Britain "most-favored poodle status", he accelerated and accentuated the disaster, from military defeat to torture excuser, his hands are soaked in blood. And the help he could have provided an ally by just saying "NO", turns out instead to be the damage a criminal accomplice and abettor provides.
October 8, 2006 6:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
I often feel sorry for Blair in a way I don't for the Bushies. I can see him thinking that if he opposes the war publically, like the Continent, Bush will do what he pleases anyway. He'd read the Downing Street memo. He may also have had enough understanding of Bush's fanaticism, the American public's fear and mindless chauvinism then, and the media's passivity, so he may have figured that even exposing the memo, say, would have accomplished nothing.
He must even have figured then, like all of us, that while there was no proof at all of WMD and no need to invade rather than inspect, there were no grounds to say there were no such thing, which is why the UN was acting. So that approach to stopping the war, too, would have failed.
So I can imagine him thinking that Britain single-handedly will preserve the multilateralism that makes a successful foreign policy possible, even if Bush won't seek it and other allies perceive (correctly) it's no longer possible in this instance. He thinks he's a choice between certain disaster from the U.S. acting alone and a chance to influence the outcome.
Tragic really, a bit like Brutus. Only Brutus wouldn't have gone on supporting the war ever since. He'd have been killed off in an earlier act by now.
I still feel, actually, that we're wrong to keep blaming Democrats for being railroaded themselves in that early vote. We knew better, but that past is past, and it's understandable. We should just demand that they push for change now, as (say) Kerry is doing . . . and, sadly, Blair is not.
John
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October 8, 2006 7:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think Mr. Hundt over estimates the degree of freedom of client states like the UK in opposing US policies. Whatever role the UK has in the world today is primarily based upon its financial sector. Even more that the US, the UK no longer makes too much "stuff".
So they play a secondary role in the world financial markets, and as such are beholding to the US. That Blair's behavior was more craven than necessary is open to question, but notice that "new labor" hasn't done anything for its base domestically either.
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October 8, 2006 8:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Remember how David Kelly was treated by Alastair Campbell and his ilk.
Blair gets no sympathy from me.
The reason Blair is sticking with Bush is very simple. The UK is despised in the rest of Europe. Without their "special relationship" with the US, the UK has nothing.
Unfortunately I think MacMillan had a better reading of the "special relationship." He didn't believe it existed outside of Churchill's imagination. See Crisis, Suez.
October 8, 2006 9:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
True. When was the last time the US went out of its way to help the UK? Lend-lease?
October 8, 2006 9:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
Lend-lease was the best FDR could do to get around a Congress that wanted to have nothing to do with the war in Europe.
The largest espionage operation of the Second World War was British, and it was run in the US, to convince Americans to get into the war.
You should read about the relationship between FDR, Churchill and Stalin around the time of the Yalta conference. Britain was very definitely the junior partner. Churchill was quite depressed about it.
October 8, 2006 10:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Re: Mr.Hundt, the fact is without the support of Tony Blair with his fulsome, rotund lying, with his enthusiastic support for "fixing the intelligence", I am not sure we would have gone ahead with the disastrous and immoral aggression in Iraq.
Since when has the Bush administration shown any concern for public opinion, the opinions of foreign leaders, or even cold facts? The Bush administration was dead set on an invasion of Iraq and had Jesus Christ himself appeared in the Oval Office to forbid it, Bush would still have gone forward with his war.
October 8, 2006 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
The issue was: "What the hell do you do about it?' All we could do as a nation of 60 million off the coast of mainland Europe was to seek to influence the most powerful nation in the world," he said in interviews to publicise his new diaries.
If these words were "All I could do as a 22 year old girl was to seek to influence the most powerful leader in the world", they would be rather delusional, but forgivable -- youth, lack of experience etc. To have a group of mature adults engaged in [redacted] and related fantasies is sadly not surprising, but not edifying either.
Girls and old chaps: causing someone to have an orgasm is only an illusion of influence. To be respected you must have self-respect.
What kind of influence had Blairites in mind anyway --I mean, they had no example of an American decision that was influenced. And would there be such an example, in what manner would it advance national interests of Britain? As in "Americans could get miffed and refuse leasing nukes to Britain". (I think that fantasies included policies pertaining to global warming, Middle East, anti-anti-personel-mine-treaty etc.)
October 8, 2006 2:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I would think that the distortion of reality has been glossed more by using the opposition of the French than by using the support of the British. In other words, had Blair followed the examples of Chirac or Harold Wilson, the RWNM would simply have changed its tone to accommodate.
October 8, 2006 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
There are two great truths about Bush that still have not fully registered. The first is that he is a non-human moron. Like all stupid people he is incapable of educating and disciplining himself to the point where he could possibly achieve humanity, and like all stupid people he is inherently evil. The second truth is that he is truly representative of the American people. He is the natural product of a culture that rewards stupid behavior and worships stupid people. The Bush disease will not be cured simply by political action. It will require a true liberal re-awakening to the responsibilities of the citizenry to develop the intellectual capacity required to be free. Those that fail in this endeavor should be recognized as the filth that they are and not tolerated in public life. It is pathetic that otherwise reasonable people are still befuddled by the erroneous but politically correct assumption that everything that drops out from between a woman's legs is entitled to the status of human.
October 8, 2006 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
It was more than obvious for absolutely everyone that there were no friends of America who could have stopped this terrible drunk driving. America had no closer, more thankful, and more unselfish friends in the world than the German nation - with a lot more experience of successful anti-terrorism policies. And see the American reaction to their cautions!
Britain could theoretically have jumped off the train, but the British elite admired their picture of America too much. As they were in love with America, they couldn't see through the mist of American public diplomacy and their admiration for American efficiency. They couldn't foresee if the Bush administration in reality aimed at bombing Iraq back to the Stone Age. For decades, the U.S. have requested a responsible leadership role that does not allow to be questioned. Britain like other members of the Coalition of the Willing had no other choice than, and was used to, trusting that America would handle the occupation competently.
It's an interesting question to what degree following generations of Britain's leadership will regain any trust in CIA, American mass media, and the American Public Opinion. That opposition came chiefly from the uneducated masses, while Democrats in Congress were in resonance with UK's elite, doesn't mean that the Democrats won't be blamed. The British may feel that they trusted the Democrats positioned where they could make a better judgement - and were let down by them.
October 8, 2006 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is one of the great mysteries.
How was it possible for thinking Americans to give in to these kind of fantasies. How could virtually the entire American etablissement believe that Iraq could be "turned into a democracy" without linguistically and culturally knowledgeable personell in each and every of the occupational force's units?
How come it wasn't realized that a partition of Iraq was the most likely, and possibly the unavoidable, outcome of an invasion?
October 8, 2006 6:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
JPF311:
I know what you are saying but I think it is more complicated. There is surely an aspect of the Bush administration doing whatever it pleases and the devil can worry about popular opinion. There is also on the other hand a very serious attention to controlling public opinion and more particularly the press. As you know, there are so many instances of attempts to control information and debate, that it sometimes seems like our form of government does not have a Bill of Rights. If Bush really did whatever he wanted we would probably be bombing Tehran and we would have had votes on privatizing social security by now. I am not saying this won't happen; Bush seems to be counseling a lot with God these days and I don't know what voices he is hearing, but as crazy as these guys are they still need a fig leaf to protect them. And that seems to be Blair's role in life: a fig leaf covering George Bush's ass. He is certainly made for the role. But the British people and the American people, and the Iraqis, deserve better.
October 8, 2006 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I couldn't disagree more.
Blair had his reasons for his policies, there is no reason to doubt that, but Britain's policies were alot more about weakening the European Union and strengthening Britains position both directly and also indirectly (through its "special relationship" with the U.S.).
However, when the Bush administration acted in accordance with what a strong public opinion demanded (or allowed), the situation in Britain was the opposite. Blair had no political mandate for the invasion of Iraq, and no strong support, and he had been elected as a pro-European, not as the gravedigger of EU's urgently needed Constitution (or the Common Foreign and Security Policy).
Blair deceived his party and his voters (at least) as much as the Bush administration did. But the Labor party re-elected him, and the voters re-elected Labor in 2005. Just like the Americans re-elected Bush in 2004 or the Danes re-elected Anders Fogh Rasmussen in 2005.
For the sufferings they've caused, and the deaths of hundreds thousands of Iraqis, they deserve to burn eternally in Hell.
October 8, 2006 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
I might be a bit naive here, but let's not forget that Britain and Iraq have a history. Just as some people (e.g. Cheney and Rumsfeld) in the Bush administration saw Iraq as a chance to do Vietnam right, perhaps some people in Britain saw the war in Iraq as a chance to do Iraq right. Anyone with more knowledge of the British political scene care to comment on the possibility?
October 9, 2006 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Categorically not. Few people in Britain have any memory of the Mesopotamian campaign; those who do may have had some family involvement but most of the discussion should be read as a not-so-veiled criticism of Winston Churchill-style conservatism. In short, it is a reminder of just how non-beneficial the British Empire was.
The best explanation of why Blair followed Bush into Iraq was that Blair wished to preserve Britain's UN Security Council veto, which is under threat as the EU develops a collective foreign policy.
October 9, 2006 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bush is only representative of those who paid for his presidency. The man has never actually won a presidential election. Blaming America for Bush is like blaming a car for being stolen.
The most you can say is that we left the doors unlocked and the key in the ignition because we didn't want to believe (and still don't want to believe, in many ways) that someone might actually dare to steal our car...
...and use it to plow through an orphanage.
October 11, 2006 1:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand your point about Bush, but by any standard the last two presidential elections were very close. Moreover, how do you account for the large number of morons in congress. I think the American people have a good deal of culpability in this.
October 20, 2006 12:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe one should make the distinction between people and nation?
To me, it's obvious that the people has not been given tools and instruments. The people has not been educated and not been taught to take a serious interest in matters of the country's wars and dominance on the international stage.
The nation's opinion leaders, from the lowest to the highest, may have a great deal more of culpability than what ordinary people have.
October 28, 2006 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink