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Speaking of Denial, Chapter XXXXIII

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George Will in this morning’s WP: “Some will regard ‘State of Denial’ as Katrina between hard covers, a snapshot of dysfunctional government. But it is largely just a glimpse of government , disheartening as that fact may be to those who regard government as a glistening scalpel for administering social transformation."

Read this closely. It’s downright, wholesale delusion in the form of a phony syllogism: 1. All governments are derelict in their duty, disorganized, in love with fantasy. 2. Bush’s government is a government. 3. So pay no heed to the claim that Bush’s gang are in love with fantasy—every government is.

Thus does George Will avert his eyes from what is systematically, peculiarly, true of the gang in power. His much-longed-for conservative government is dead, so long live conservative government!

This sounds like a Foleyism: Doesn’t every grown male hanker to get down and dirty with pages?

This goes way beyond denial. This is damage control masquerading as deep thought.


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We've been dumping on Bush's incompetence in Iraq or Louisiana as a necessary outgrowth of Republican ideology. But it also reinforces that ideology, and Will is trying that spin. We're saying that if you believe government can't work, you can't make it work. He's saying that it doesn't work, and see, I told you so. It's not delusive or poor logic exactly, so much as a mix of ideology and political manipulation. Now it's the Democrat's job to counter it, that we believe in your government and we can return it to you, the people. 

John 

http://www.haberarts.com/

And Clinton's crew didn't try to cover up the Monica Lewinsky scandal?

The point: Any party in power will try to cover-up things which can hurt them politically.

Yes the GOP has tried to hide this. But so would the other side if it was their parriah.

This doesn't excuse anybody, but it is a point of fact.

When will George check himself into rehab?

Blame the demon rum in the form of the Greedy Old Perverts traditional drink, The Kool-Aid, not the booze that Foley's blaming now.

Todd very correctly points out the key operative behavior that is at the cornerstone of this entire machine:

Avert your eyes - just look the other way

Ever since 9/10, these corporatizing fascists have been looking for a distraction so that they could get on with their real agenda. On 9/11, they had it dropped into their laps as the towers dropped to the ground. When BushCo looked out into the faces of the country after that, they said "Go shopping"- avert your eyes and look away.

When questioned about everything from Iraq to Katrina, the answer has been to tell us to ignore reality- just look the other way. Deny what you see until the decay is in every direction, then blame the "government". Not the ones running the government, mind you, but the Norquist-style notion of the "government" as a beast to be killed.

The next lines from these "all hat - no cattle" cowboys will be a variation on the Bill Clinton mea culpa:

"We tried to kill government, but we failed"

 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada

I think there's a more obvious disconnect in George Will's thinking.

There will be some people who'll find agreement with Will that government is an unwieldy - and sometimes ineffective - tool for carrying out social transformation. But what the hell does the War in Iraq - and in particular, the search for WMD, through which Will introduces his article - have to do with social transformation?

The simple fact is, it was not "government" that screwed up Iraq; it was George Bush and his appointees. From first to last, it was their project and they did it their way. The buck stopped in the Oval Office, not in some forgotten corner of government bureaucracy.

It might be argued that Clinton was a centrist, and therefore only moderately as corrupt as the Republicans, but that is probably a bit glib.

"Yes the GOP has tried to hide this. But so would the other side if it was their parriah."

well, what are those bible welding republicans going to think about this?

if hasert tried to cover this stuff up, didn't he let down his entire right-wing? an act that will inject large amounts of cynacism into his party's "claim to morality?"

as far as I can tell, once these moral failures take hold, there might be a 9/11 collapse of the republican party here. people might start questioning the intensions of Bush, Cheney and the rest of them and decide that they're liars, sickos and cheats instead of presidential, vice presidential and congressional.

they might go back and watch john roberts' confirmation hearing and be appalled by the lack of displayed intellect and realize exactly what "rubberstamping" means... or they might go back and watch the republican convention where the language of hate rained down on everything including their damnation of the UN.

they can try to deny what happened, but molestation is an emotional issue which probably isn't counteracted by reason... even if it's sugar coated with colorfully false excuses.

It is the culture of power.  The money, the status, the "tasty" underage boy and girl pages to prey upon...It is what DC has become.  Now we hear the hue and cry of "but everybody is corrupt!!!"  There is something nauseatingly pathetic seeing some people rationalizing the very poor behavior of others just so the defenders can still enjoy the status of being part of that culture...

Will has a number of standard responses which he wheels out from time to time . With luck they may even be slightly relevant.

Reminds me of my friend X , a corporate comptroller. When unusual things happened during the month he made note of them. Stuck the good things in his right hand drawer and the bad in the left. When the books closed and the CEO wanted a
variance analysis , if it was a good month X pulled a note from the right hand drawer.... and vice versa. Got mixed up one month , the CEO asked why the profits were down and X pulled an explanation from the right hand , good , drawer. Had to quickly cover by saying "But that was offset by....."

When did this post, or thread, get to be about Foley?

It is a point in fact, but misdirects the conversation away from the important issue.

You're using a forced frame with your question. The covering is not the issue, the illegality of the act and/or the covering is. These are not equivalent; they are night and day, with one being wholly normal (if bad for a marriage) and the other being vile.

Back to topic, Will is perhaps getting a little desperate, and not sure whether to bail completely and say these guys weren't capable, or to perfume the pig by saying "What did you expect, results from politics?"

He is tiresome, continuing the Buckley condescension to the People. ("You don't understand, so let us tell you what matters.")

George Will is an intelligent dumbass. He is so blinded by his own ideology that he can't think clearly. He assumption that if Bush can't run the government - it's impossible.

Didn't the government provide any usefulness during the Depression? What about in regulating food safety? Or how about, prior to Bush Jr, helping people during a natural disaster. What about education? The government used to provide people with a good education, I don't know if that's the case anymore.

Only a true dumbass would defend Bush's incompetence.

Wills' view of government was the basis of his opposition to the war in Iraq and also the bais of Fukyama's break with the neo-Cons over Iraq.

One of Clinton's geniuses,can you have more than one, was to show that Reagan was wrong that government was always the problem. He demonstrated that if you could not use goverment to create the utopias of leftwing fantasies government could be used to help make people's lives better.

Will and the few Bush supporters I know do put a lot of effort into ignoring how truely awful this administration is in all aspects of governing.

Daniel A. Greenbaum

The problem with this argument is that it is made in a vacuum, ignoring the facts in both cases:

What Clinton did was immoral, but not illegal, so the coverup didn't rise to the level of a conspiracy to cover up a crime, which is itself a crime. So despite your equivalence, Foleygate and the coverup are criminal matters.

Clinton had a one-time affair, while it is being shown that Foley was a serial sexual predator. On top of that, the Repblican leadership is not guilty of just a cover up, but for actuallly enabling Foley's criminal sexual behavior, by allowing him to continue chairing the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.

Furthermore, despite the attempt to make both parties the same, those of us who weren't born yesterday remember that this Republican regime cudgeled its way into power on the supposed strength of its morals, making its leaders and Foley hypocrites to the nth degree.

So, get ready to learn the truth of the old saying, 'What's sauce for the Goose is sauce for the Gander.'

Thus does George Will avert his eyes from what is systematically, peculiarly, true of the gang in power. His much-longed-for conservative government is dead, so long live conservative government!

This is actually a bit unfair.  George Will, unusually among conservative pundits, has actually called out the Bush Administration as un-conservative, which of course they are.  Will and other like-minded pundits like Andrew Sullivan talk about the Bush Administration as a betrayer of conservative principles.  Radical, spendthrift and given to grandiose attempts at social transformation, the Bushies are almost the total opposite of the conservative vision of people like Bill Buckley, who prized caution and prudence.

It'll be interesting to see the extent to which the current failures will herald a true swinging of the political pendulum.  Back in the 60s and 70s, many former liberals started voting Republican for a variety of reasons and Ronald Reagan came to embody this group of disgruntled Democrats.  Reagan always said that he didn't leave the Democrats, the Democrats left him.  This was always half true and half bullshit, but nevertheless it would probably describe how many felt.  Now that the Republicans have had their run in Washington and have proven to be incompetent idiots, will people say that the Republican party left them?  The answer depends a lot on the behavior of people like Will and Sullivan, who believe above all in small, modest, frugal government and are repelled by the current domination of the GOP by religious conservatives.  Will the Democratic party appeal to people like this?  A lot depends on the answer.

How old was Lewinsky? I believe she was a consenting adult.

I also don't believe Clinton attempted to cover up his affair with Lewinsky. It's true he didn't willfully admit to it, but that isn't the same as a conspiracy, which would require more than one person.

Defending oneself is not a cover up.

Will does bemoan many of Bush's policies, but some of his ideas and the things his says are just ridiculous. To me, he is the most annoying pundit.

I hate it when he's on a show, because he seems like he knows what he's talking about and then wham, he makes a statement or expresses and idea that is just completely absurd. A couple years ago on This Week, Will said that the "one great conviction" of the Democratic Party "is there aren't enough abortions" (Media Matters).

I think it's the two sides of George Will. The one side is the critical thinking intelligent pundit and writer and the other side is this weird ideologue that seems completely incapable of even an ounce of critical thought.

...disheartening as that fact may be to those who regard government as a glistening scalpel for administering social transformation.

Um, George? "State of Denial" has to do with the Iraq Invasion, which is part of U.S. foreign policy. Not social policy. Try to keep that straight, please.

Also, I don't quite seem to remember George taking this tack when Democrat Jimmy Carter's commando mission to rescue the American hostages in Iran went up in flames. Surely George doesn't have a double standard?

Where do you begin with this hourglass of a column? George Will started and finished by paraphrasing Woodward to skewer Bush Jr. and his administration. In the middle he said every government is like that, but sighted no examples to prove himself ....Not even Bill Clinton, his favorite target. Then Will said this administration is like pond water. Pond scum is more like it. The GOP drank it and now has dysentery.
I was particularly amused by these passages ["'State of Denial' will take a toll on government collegiality and the candor of its deliberations."] Come again? Collegiality? Squeeze me, I don't think there's been much of that since the "Uniter not a Divider" conquered......["The book does not demonstrate that the president is in a state of denial...It certainly has undermined his reputation as a realist.] A Realist? Get Real! I could go on, and probably will when I catch my breath.

The Democrats have a big umbrella so any moderate Rep (read scared and confused) will find a home there. But my tea leaves say that the future of the Republican Party will be controlled by people like Pat Toomey. He's the founder of the Club for Growth, which worships at the alter of Reagonomics. He also almost upset Arlen Specter in PAs 2004 Senate race. Lately, Toomey, to the disgruntlement of the GOP in power, has been using his growing political weight ($) to back "Republican" Republicans using a platform of fiscal conservatism and political "reform." Most recently and notably he supported Stephen Laffey for Senator of Rhode Island in the Republican primary. Laffey lost to Lincoln Chaffee, but had he won he most certainly would have lost the seat to the Dem. challenger. Toomey was willing to gamble a Republican seat in Senate (and possibly the entire Senate) for his long term goals. That says a lot.

His argument might be compelling if he were talking about No Child Left Behind, but it seems to the whole argument was written to praise Rumsfeld. Will comes around at the end of his piece and denigrates nation building and applauds Rumsfeld's decision to keep the military out of it. This is the kind of discussion you have during peace time. Not right before launching a war of choice. George Will should be asking why we chose to break a nation if the military wouldn't rebuild it and no other department could.

Tom

To be honest, I hope a thorough investigation is launched and anyone guilty of participating in a cover-up is punished accordingly.

I was not trying to imply that the issue should be ignored. My point was to argue that nobody should be outraged or surprised that the GOP tried to cover this up.

Indeed, what would be shocking is if there was no cover-up. Who would ever expect that?

Let's investigate this mess and dole out punishments as needed. These people lie for a living, let's not waste time being mad about it.

Hypocrisy is the essence of the problem. The Republicans are now being Roved. Karl Rove is noted for attacking his opponents on their strong points, that is, trying to make them out to be hypocrits. This turns out to be projective, because it is the Republicans who are blowing up on their supposed strong points. Clinton's lying was a side issue to his career, but Foley's hypocrisy destroys the core of his career. Similarly, Bush's War on Terror is more than just unfinished, it is a sham, because he is making terrorism worse. The Republicans are now revealed to be frauds. This is a structural problem, completely different from Clinton's problem.

  • "...the Bushies are almost the total opposite of the conservative vision of people like Bill Buckley, who prized caution and prudence."

It is sad to see just how far Buckley has fallen from his glory days, and how little personal honour still remains withi him, as his Bush dissent came too late, and is still much too weak to be considered a voice in defense of True Conservatism, It is shameful his National Review has largely devolved into a link in the chain of NeoCon circle-jerking self-referencing publications, albeit much more credible than Newmax FrontPageMag, and WorldNetDaily.

And while on the subject of Newsmax, the Glasspipe of internet news, and in an effort to inject levity into this discussion at the expense of their readers, I offer 2 very amusing Newsmax ads with commentary:

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