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One reason we have problems in this country is the number of lying idiots who work for major press outlets. The lastest entrant in the media class twit of the year sweepstakes is Perry Bacon Jr. who says "the Netroots hit their limits" because "Liberal online activists are finding you can't move elections with just modems and IM."

First, let's get something that reporters are supposed to get right - facts. Liberal activists are far more likely to have broadband. If Perry wants to be a more skillful distortionist, he needs to get things like that right early, so at least he has some credibility to blow.

Second, the birth of liberal politics online, back in 2003, was when people realized that merely being online didn't do anything - when liberals on the net went from complaining on forums, to running blogs and, this will shock Perry Bacon Jr. - running meetups. Had he penned that headline in 2003, he would have been making an astute observation. Now, he's just a liar. But let's dig deeper. [Update Steve Gilliard lays into Bacon Jr. as well.]


You've heard the story: the Netroots, the Democratic Party's equivalent of a punk garage band—edgy, loud and antiauthoritarian—are suddenly on the verge of the big time.

He's obviously not talking about most people I know. The panel I was on at yearly Kos featured a professor, an economics consultant and former central banker, a tax lawyer and myself. Hardly the stuff of punk garage bands. We were talking to a packed audience about the importance of saving, investing and having balanced budgets with a strong currency. Really truly the edgy stuff. Verge of the big time? No we were on the verge of the big time in 2005, when Howard Dean won the DNC chair's race, and his most serious competition was Simon Rosenberg - another candidate backed by the emerging techno wing of the Democratic Party.

It's really important not to pack ledes with obviously wrong information. This reads like someone who wanted to write for Rollling Stone, but wasn't hip enough.


"...are now said to be Democratic kingmakers."

By who? basic journalistic practice says that if there is a controversial assertion, and this one clearly is, then it needs attribution. That way readers can judge the reliability of who said it, and the reporter who decides to highlight it.

It's also factually incorrect. The Democratic kingmakers are the big donors and the town and county level activists. These are the people whose support makes or breaks candidates. Bloggers, at best, can break a candidate into the national spotlight. Bloggers can turn viable candidates with local bases of support into nationally visible candidates. This is not kingmaking, but it is something that is important. Tester, Lamont, Patrick are all candidates who won with blogger support, but they were viable candidates because of local discontent with the status quo. And every honest blogger knows that.


After they relentlessly derided Senator Hillary Clinton as calculating, overly cautious and lacking true liberal bona fides, she hired an adviser just to deal with them and even demanded that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld resign. Coincidence?

The adviser's name is Peter Daou. It is again a good idea to know who you are talking about. Peter Daou is a well known blogger, ran and founded the very respected Daou report, and is a solid political professional, having been asked by John Kerry to run his internet arm. I've worked with Peter before, I've also told him that if he decides to make a run for higher elective office, that he has my support - so I can say with confidence that Peter isn't far left. Yes he's a center-left writer and internet professional, his client base ranges far and wide, and he has the demonstrated capacity to make things happen. I also have direct, though very off the record, information which solidly puts Peter outside the hard left which Bacon Jr. wants to put blogging with.


Moderate Democrats say it with remorse, conservatives with glee, but the conventional wisdom is bipartisan: progressive bloggers are pushing the Democratic Party so far to the left that it will have no chance of capturing the presidency in 2008.

This is something that is only heard from largely Republican circles and from people like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller - that is, people who have crossed the party base repeatedly in order to get gushing words from people like Bacon Jr. I was just at a political gathering, and the local Democratic State Senator wanted to talk to me about funding for the state university system, I told him that I'd be happy to work on raising visibility for the idea. Opening opportunity for people who can't afford $30,000 dollars a year for a private university doesn't sound like far left to me. But maybe things are different inside the Time Magazine/Fox News bubble where anyone to the left of Tom DeLay is painted as dangerously far outside the American mainstream.


Even their most ardent players now recognize that you can't create a true movement using nothing but modems and instant messaging. "The Netroots cannot elect someone alone," says Matt Stoller, a blogger at the popular group site MyDD.

Once again, I know that Bacon Jr. is being dishonest here. I know Matt Stoller, have worked with him in the past, and probably will again in the future. When he and I were planning to bring blogging to bear on the movement to Draft Wesley Clark - and we were hardly the only people doing this - our early conversations centered on how to get the national media to pay attention to a phenomenon that was already growing on the ground.

I didn't meet Matt online - though I had glanced at his blog a couple of times. I met him as one of a group of volunteeers who were working on opening a Draft Clark office in Dover New Hampshire. We repainted the walls. I went out and bought a New Hampshire flag to hold. So I know that Perry is lying about the context of the quote, because Matt Stoller has known for years that elections are won by real people on the ground and "the internet" is like "the telephone" - that's his analogy - it works only when it is integrated into the rest of a campaign. That's what he preached when he was blogger for the Corzine for Governor campaign too.


So they're branching out. Beyond posting exhaustive pieces about bias in Fox News coverage and uploading videos of presidential wannabe George Allen making a fool of himself, they're adopting the old-school tools of electoral politics, like canvassing their neighborhoods and calling their member of Congress.

This again shows just how off the dollar menu Perry Bacon Jr. - the imp in me keeps wanting to put the word Cheeseburger after that, since he really should be asking people "Do you want Fries with that?" - is. Last year I penned this proposal for the Democratic Party:


What is the Open Convention? There are three spheres of political action - the paleo politics of local organization, a unity of place and the bonds that tenure in that place bring, there is old politics - media and micro-political issue groups as well as the old line "inside the beltway" apparatus, this focuses on demographic reality - and there is the new politics which manifests itself on the internet, but which should be seen as "psychographic". In otherwords, there is the geographic democratic party, the demographic democratic party, and the psychographic democratic party. Each is different and does not entirely understand or trust the others.

The Republican Party overcomes this with massive amounts of money and corruption - it simply buys unity by the top down mechanism of funding people. Bribes in, bribes out.

The Democratic Party does not have access to the vast pool of corruption that the Republicans have, and the slashing away of funding for the technocratic state has turned the liberal and progressive world into a constant scrounging act for funding and jobs. This has produced an animosity within the Democratic party that the other side has used to great advantage. The Miers fight is one of limited career slots - the food fight going on over her is the normal state of affairs in the Democratic and progressive universe.

The solution is to create bonds of community and communication. The Open Convention would be a means to campaign by building a message, not in a top down or mythical bottom up way - but using the Democratic Party apparatus as the center of a sphere. For every open source project there is a core of people who represent the judgement of what works and what doesn't - who have the advantage of having all the feed back and data about what has worked and what hasn't. However, the driving force of the creation is the vast network of people who need the project - who need the open source Operating System, Encyclopedia or other end product.

The open convention would be a series of events, including meetings in state and local party gatherings to push ideas upward, and explain ideas that are important - forums and media events to capture the old politics democratic party's attention - for example, conduct a poll a week on some issue, and then package it with the Democratic solution to the Republican problem - and electronic and internet events, such as online wikis, online voting, sending out a paragraph for discussion and getting major liberal blogs to post threads on it to secure input. The result of each step would be repackaged - and often explicit questions would be asked.

Seems like there is a clear recognition there, and by the commenters, that mobilization on the ground is part of the mission. Far from "branching out", the idea of mobilization was key to both the Dean and Clark movements in the 2003 pre-primary era. It was key to the election of Howard Dean as DNC chair, and it was key to the Ned Lamont and Deval Patrick campaigns. Both campaigns came to the internet early, because many of their early universe of voters, particularly for town caucuses needed for state convention support, were on line.

This is the demographic fact that brought me to blogging in the first place - that the people who are, in the worlds of the John Berry's indespensible book the Influentials are online. They went online because they value knowledge, and a community of pragmatism. They want to know, and the internet is where people share what they know. The people who show up to meetings, who are the back bone of political parties, are online, because online is where they get the expertise which is how they build their contacts in the real world.

The image of the "autistic netroots" is one which established media likes to play, a way of telling their readers "these people are wierdos, they aren't like you". And yet as Bacon Jr. shows, it is the other way around - it is he who is out of touch, and doesn't know what is going on, having seemingly missed the last few years of political history.

He also misses that the same effect is occuring on the right wing as well. The Toomey campaign to knock of Spectre proceded in exactly the same way as the Lamont campaign - a candidate who appealed to the every day base of the party gathered support by appealling to national sources of funding, internet writers and bloggers, and physical meetings. Toomey had meetups, these meetups formed the corps that organized counties for him, and it was this direct physical contact that made the campaign viable early. And Toomey isn't going to be mistaken by anyone, except maybe Perry Bacon Jr. , for "left".


The conservative Rightroots movement is only just getting started.

This is a statement which is so absolutely dishonest that if Time magazine had any standards, it should fire Bacon Jr. on the spot. In fact, online activism for the right is older, and for a long time more effective than online activism on the left. It began with the freep. The Free Republic was the first place where online activism could deliver results that people cared about in politics. The Freep could shift an online poll - "freeping" a poll became a verb in online politics - they could barrage people from Congress with angry emails, or television or media people who they disliked. In fact, before liberal activism was much of anything, online right wing activism had helped push the coverage of the 2000 election fiasco to the right, and organize the demonstrations in Florida to support the legislature appointing electors if they so chose to do so, and that Al Gore was trying to "steal" the election.

Before this, people like Matt Drudge poured material into the hands of the Freep. I remember clearly the day that the words "Monica Lewinsky" hit the public discourse, within hours people, hopped up on talking points from the Free Republic were visible online, and telling people in person. I know, my landlord at the time was one of them. That is, before there was liberal netroots of any particular stripe, the Freep were already intergrated into the sewer to rumor to mainstream cycle.

Time has hired someone who is both pervasively dishonest in how he characterizes the people he interviews, ill informed about the topic that he is writing about, and heavily biased in favor of the right wing. He lies about facts, he misinterprets data, and he mischaracterizes a movement that he is clearly intent on deriding. It is unfortunate that Time Magazine chooses to fan the flames of media hostility by hiring, promoting and printing such clear and obvious failures of reporting and professionalism. It shows why there is a blogging phenomenon, the editors of major publications are liars, promote lying and are atrociously smarmy while they do it.

The reality is that online activism is older on the right than the left, and with outlets such as Righmarch and Townhall.com, better funded and more staked with people that the right wants to turn into stars. Michelle Malkin is only the latest person created by right wing online activism. Right wing online activism has given us a host of verbs - "to fisk", "freep a poll" and "swifboating" - that's a clear sign of an important group, when even many of its political opponents use its language. Bacon Jr. should learn to report before trying to distort.

The reason they don't like blogging is because in the world of being online, they can get caught at it, because on the record really is on the record, as opposed to "buried beneath all the other stupid things people said that are now forgotten."


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Peter Daou no longer runs the Daou report and has taken the Daily Grit into hiatus.

I think you have to just ignore this kind of stuff as noise. Why do people blog? Because we don't have a life some might say, but a reason for me is I have a tiny hope that someone might listen to what I am concerned about. Do you feel represented by your elected officials? I sure don't. I figure they're campaigning to a focus group that I never quite fit and the one thing they all have in common is a one way address on their e-mail. They want money from me. They don't want to hear me. Isn't that exactly how most voters feel anyway?

This isn't a short term deal. We aren't going to get significant results in the short run. The only hope I see out there is to find enough people somewhere, anywhere, who have the persistence and determination to work for real change. I increasingly doubt I'm going to find them as Democrats running for political office, but because I blog, I know you are out there. You do exist.

You won't be on my ballot this fall, but I have the hope that maybe if enough of us care long enough you will be on my ballot before I die. I have to believe that because otherwise I don't know what is going to become of our children.

Correcting runs to ran


Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

Minor nit. Broadband, unless it is by means of fiber to the home (or wherever), still means connecting through a device known as a DSL-Modem or a Cable-Modem (with or without the hyphen). So, technically at least, Stirling's first criticism is faulty...

Yo! Last time I looked both Dean and Clarke lost, and it looks like Lamont is going down too, especially if he continues with the ingenious idea of suggesting his followers look like complete a--holes by walking around with their jackets inside out. Might as well add the aluminum foil Kos Kap and Kuppa Koolaide to go with the outfit.

I agree that the way-too-far-left, filth-mouth bloggers of the pro-expletive movement are going to blow a democratic presidency in 08. Unless they RAPIDLY tone down their "us-only-under-our-tent" rhetoric AND learn to stick a bar of ivory in their mouths while they type, they have a truly great chance of backing losers and repeating history again.

Next time I go to Mickey Dees I'll ask for a hot and steaming Dean Scream to go.

So long and goodnight, Henry Grunwald.

So long and goodnight.

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Edward Albee's the "Zoo Story" has a line that sarcastically says

"Time magazine isn't for blockheads"

with the intent of the character meaning the opposite. I think of it every time something like this appears.

Albee had it right in 1958.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

If being impolite were political suicide, the Republicans would have been out of power many years now. Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter aren't the exceptions, they're setting the pace for the whole movement. It used to be that Republicans only talked like that in private - the Nixon tapes offer prime examples - but now it's the public face of the GOP.

The Democrats have been much too polite for much too long. It reads as weakness, being polite in response to bullies.

If we're into the nits, DSL does not use a modem, but a router or a bridge. When it's called a "modem" that's a misuse of the term usually by a marketing department that just doesn't know. My guess is cable is always a router - but I haven't paid attention since I've always used DSL.

From the blogosmear it sounds like a street gang from the wrong side of town. TOOOOOO much is no good either.

To go more deeply into the nits, the exact line coding varies with the DSL type, be it ADSL, HDSL, VHDSL, etc. All of these really do have a modulator-demodulator (MoDem) function, with, for many installations of ADSL, a frequency splitter that allows the same copper pair to be used for Plain Old Telephone Service (i.e., analog or POTS).

Given that the enclosure, power supply, external connectors, etc., are a significant part of the product cost, a great many Small Office and Home Office (SOHO) interface devices put a modem chipset and router or bridge functions in the same chassis. As a carrier network architect, I prefer routing to bridging, although in the usual DSL and cable networks, the guts of the subscriber distribution system usually have elements of both.

Bridges are simpler, but don't conveniently support multiple user devices. Still, the bridging (e.g., IEEE 802.1w) and routing functions can coexist, although home routers rarely run dynamic routing.

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

I couldn't agree more about Mr. Bacon. I do have one small nit, while we're picking them.

Jerry and Christine Barrett started bushwatch.com in 1997 (long before 2003 in internet years). Being Texans, they had taken the measure of the man somewhat earlier than the rest of us. Bushwatch and a very few other sites were voices in the wilderness back then. Long before portal sites and rss feeds, they provided a daily headline service (I've been a volunteer headline editor since '99) that linked people to hard-to-find and international news sites.

Anyway, props to the old school!

Time has hired someone who is both pervasively dishonest in how he characterizes the people he interviews, ill informed about the topic that he is writing about, and heavily biased in favor of the right wing.

I'm shocked - SHOCKED!!!

SN - I think the recent piece in your local paper, the Lowell Sun is one of the best explanations of what political blogs are and are not.

Blogging the vote

By EVAN LEHMANN, Sun Washington Bureau

"[Bloggers] were very helpful in introducing Ned to a broader audience," said Tom Swan, Lamont's campaign manager, of the bloggers. "They helped establish a narrative within the campaign, and assisted in generating volunteers and a large number of small donors."

Blogs, or free-flowing online discussions, allow local activists to find each other and devour the latest news about their candidate's schedule, issues and opinions, says Newberry.

Those "high information" voters then scatter-blast the content around the Web and, perhaps more importantly, local communities. Electronic connections turn into personal meetings, and then to on-the-ground political activism.

. . .

"It's a community," Newberry said. "And people want community just like the old-time coffee shops. Blogging provides an electronic analog to that."

Read the whole piece. It's got a quick summary of how Deval Patrick and Ned Lamont both got critical early recognition from blogs. Blogs don't make candidates like Patrick or Lamont credible - they are both good men with a record of accomplishment but blogs can get influential people to take notice of new candidates that are not outside the mainstream but are outside the conventional wisdom.

Blogs are just a tool for communicating around a common interest. I read a Yankee blog as a longtime fan and the first I heard about Japanese pitching star Daisuke Matsuzaka was on a blog. Matsuzaka is a 26 year old pitcher who will likely be the top international free agent in 2007. Instead of endless rehashing of conventional and valueless stories like 'Why A-Rod gets booed' again and again I am able to find relevant information not available elsewhere. When I have a beer with my buddies and we talk about how old the Yankees pitching staff is I can tell them not to worry - a Japanese ace age 26 is on the way. That is the same as telling friends worried about government that they shouldn't worry , this new guy Deval Patrick is the real deal.

Blogs allow individual citizens to act as editor and publisher of what they think is important. Left in Lowell allowed Lowell, MA residents to get a different view of Deval Patrick than the endorsement of the Lowell Sun. Matsuzaka Watch gave me information as a Yankee fan that is just missing ESPN and the papers. Blogs allow anyone with access to a computer to build a community by 'word of mouth' online - 'word of mouth' that can spill out into coffee shops and street corners and enter the debate. That's all blogs are and that's enough.

"The people who show up to meetings, who are the back bone of political parties, are online, because online is where they get the expertise which is how they build their contacts in the real world."

Over the last few years I've heard a lot of warnings about finding and using information on the net. The general thought was that because of the medium (anyone can post) the information wouldn't be trustworthy. However, I find the opposite to be true in the case of blogging, especially if one uses the web as a kind of information triangulation machine. The information is often more trustworthy becuase we the readers can triangulate the information to the nth degree (granted all of this still depends on the professionalism of the bloggers and their willingness to cite often and accurately). Perhaps more importantly, its very easy to get at the range of views on a given topic. While I'm no expert on journalism or its practices, except as a reader, I'm beginnning to think that blogging is beginning to fulfill the abandoned promise of good journalism and journalistic practice. More often than not bloggers seem to be working as an honest check on dishonest journalism in the mainstream. This last article is a great example of that.


BTW, I was (just registered 12 minutes ago) a lurker who uses the web and blogs to do precisely what Mr. Newberry suggests, to get expertise around a given topic (how does one count lurkers?). I'm new to much of this, but has anyone written anything good about the decline of journalism and the emerging role of blogs? Thanks for entertaining my question, I imagine there are a lot of you smacking your foreheads at my question.

I think that this stuff needs exactly the kind of pushback AND debunking that Stirling provides here.

One of the reasons why dem-leaning blogs tool off, I think is largely because Dems in office stopped listening to their true base long ago. They got so used to winning, so used to governing that they largely went back to their base feeling entitled to their votes for additional terms.

Blogs became a place for those of us who felt completely ignored by those who are supposed to represent us to recognize that we were not alone in those feelings and to discover ways to collectively get heard.

I think that all of these "lefty-bloggers are the devil" stories are precisely because we are being heard and our voices are largely a spanner in the works against additional triangulation to the right. That does not mean that we are always successful in preventing that, and in no way would I subscribe to blog triumphalism, but the prevalence and excellent voices that are blogging now makes it alot harder for Dems to pretend that their base is content with their work. And it makes the media look craven by hiding behind their pretend objectivity.

Reminding these guys that they are arguing with and reporting on the strawmen they create, rather than their constituents and readers lets them know that they don't entirely control the terms of debate.

There's some real truth in "lefty bloggers aren't the solution," just as marching in the streets doesn't often have the impact of mainstream politicking and the media. Often it just reflects our frustration. Yet it's a tool like any other, and it has a role.

There's no truth at all in "lefty bloggers are the problem." It's just another version of two other myths. One is that Democrats keep losing because they're too far left. The other is that the media, period, are dominated by liberals.

I'll even concede that we can reflect more on our role and our relationship to mainstream organizing. For example, I got drowned out in the thread about bin Laden's death, where I asked how to counter the spin that the GOP was sure to produce to its advantage, and the other comments, I felt, were all chortling or whining about Bush, which is at best necessary venting. (I do it myself.) But the relentless silliness with which the right propagates those myths is still worth pointing out, and of course I'm always grateful for Stirling's well-argued posts about it and other matters.

John

http://www.haberarts.com/

oh, look: a concern troll. news flash honey, telling us we're too "angry" and "no one takes us seriously" is sooooo last tuesday.

now, why don't you go find some "stay the course" republican talking points and shove them up your ass. you don't fool anyone here.

west, i won't speak for the community at TPM as i'm infrequent over here, but i'd suggest you go to mediamatters.org for all you need to know about blogs vs. the traditional media. thinkprogress.org is good too. if you like it rough, come by my place (correntewire.com) and you can enjoy some saltier snark.

lurkers who jump in are almost always welcome, and most places i go (eschaton, kos, americablog) are very encouraging to those just breaking free of the grip of idiocy that is the SCLM (so called liberal media). that's the beauty of blogging- if you don't know, just ask. someone will give you an opinion. sometimes it's even well thought out and factual.

the SCLM is little more than a tool for the republican party and its corporate masters. most liberal blogs are dedicated to facts, concered with stories that actually have an impact on the lives of most people, and self correcting and unafraid of critique. know this, and you've taken the first step in becoming an informed citizen, instead of one of the "sheeple."

Welcome, lurker. :-) I haven't read it yet, but read good things about Lapdogs, by Eric Boehlert.

Also, take a look at Peter Daou's work at Salon, especially his notion of the "Daou Triangle."

Dissent Protects Democracy.

i posted this comment over at gilliard's blog as well:

a few points about six degrees of perry bacon that i made over at skippy:

i was blogging back in 2002, and i came late to the party, so for perry bacon jr (isn't that a sandwich at the san francisco burger king?) to say liberal blogging started two years ago is totally up his you know what. even if he meant "oh that's when a whole bunch of people really got into it," then for him to write the next sentence as "blogs like dkos and mydd grew rapidly" is, as i say, disengenuous at best and downright wrong at worst (dabadwaw).

he also propagates the false meme that lamont is far behind lieberman in the polls as proof that liberal netroots are not effective. i suppose the truth (that rassmussen and arg both have the two candidates tied) would be directly opposing to his premise, ie, it would prove that libblogs are actually quite effective.

worse, bacon says "the rightroots movement is only just getting started." total bs. instapundit, cap. quarters, et al, were all working furiously when i first started in 2002, and peaked about three years ago. this is only because of the market place, bacon, less people like to read lefty blogs way more than righty blogs. deal with it, or at least admit it on the pixels of time.com.

lastly, and gillaird pounds this point already on his blog,perry pretends that blogging activists have only just now become activists, when markos, to name just one, has always admitted that getting dems elected was priority one, over spreading agenda. no leftist blogger i know only sits in their pj's in their parents' basement.

that's for the rightists.

ps, nice catch joejoejoe. i blogged last week about all the pixels stirling got at the lowell sun online.

remember, as goes the lowell sun online, so goes lowell, massachusetts.


skippy

I came late to the blog party. But if the wingnuts are just getting started, was Drudge putting out a newsletter when the Lewinsky story was released, or was it done online?
My memory was that the right had the radio and e-mailing campaigns covered in the past and that they were communicating very effectively online
Is my memory faulty?

my mistake, kids, i wrote:

less people like to read lefty blogs way more than righty blogs.

i meant, of course, the exact opposite. way more people are reading the lefty blogs than the righty blogs according to every traffic meter i can think of.

sorry about that.


skippy

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