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What George Bush Didn't Tell You About Guantanamo

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If we had to rely solely on the word of George W. Bush about the progress in the war on terrorism and the value of information obtained from Muslim prisoners in U.S. custody we would be in trouble.  Bush's speech today from the White House was both self-serving and misleading.  I give the President credit for one thing--he's a great propagandist.  Let's ignore for the moment that terrorist attacks in which people have been killed or wounded have quadrupled since 2001.  Are you getting this?  We have four times as many attacks with people being killed and wounded by terrorists and Bush wants you to believe you are better off.  But I digress.

According to Bush, secret prisons and torture have kept America safe.  Not entirely true.  While fessing up to the secret prisons, one of the critical things Bush failed to tell the American people was that CIA interrogators learned the hard way that torture was not an effective interrogation method.  Books written by Jim Risen and Ron Suskind during the past two years provide compelling accounts that torture against people, particularly Khalid Sheikh Mohamad (KSM), was ineffective.  Suskind recounts that KSM, one of the masterminds behind the 9-11 attack, was waterboarded--a technique designed to make you feel like you are drowning.  Interrogators also threatened to rape and murder his family.  KSM reportedly replied, "Do what you will, my family will be with God".

Bush also neglected to mention that, despite his previous criticism of the Clinton Administration for not fighting terrorism as a military threat, almost all of the Al Qaeda operatives cited in his speech were captured through intelligence operations.  In other words, most of the successes we have achieved as a nation in tracking down and capturing terrorists has been the work of law enforcement and and intelligence officials, not our soldiers.

Another thing not mentioned by Bush in the speech today concerns the CIA officers who first told Washngton Post reporter Dana Priest about the secret prisons; they spoke up because they were alarmed by the Administration's violations of the Geneva Accords and its refusal to recognize that torture was counterproductive.

Bush, being Bush, can't help himself and fills his speech with genuine bad guys and hapless souls who had no means or ability to carry out terrorist attacks.  Iyman Faris, for example, is once again trottted out as an Al Qaeda terrorist who was going to take down the Brooklyn Bridge.  Yet, subsequent investigation demonstrated he was a man of wild dreams with no competence to harm the bridge.  He was the type of guy who could be conned into buying it, but he had trouble blowing up balloons.

The Bush con game--to persuade the American people that we are safer only if Republicans are elected--is wearing thin.  Today's speech is remarkable in one regard.  Bush at least fessed up that he was witting of the secret prisons.  This is good because at least the CIA won't be fingered as the rogue elephant who took it upon itself to torture muslim prisoners.  That was a decsion made at the highest levels by political officials.  If Congress decides to take this issue up and put in place a legal procedure for trying and punishing those individuals who are serious about killing Americans, they can help start the process of removing this stain on our national honor. 

During the Cold War we fought the Soviet Union, who were masters at using secret prisons and torture.  We won the Cold War in part because we at least knew such behavior is reprehensible.  Now, in the midst of a newly declared non-war war, we have met the enemy and surrendered our nation's integrity and honor.  Republicans and Democrats need to come together on one critical point--when it comes to fighting terrorists, we cannot and should not act like terrorists.  That's a point George Bush still does not grasp. 


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This is at the very core of my opposition to Mr. Bush. What underlies the secret detention of humans, as well as its concomitant unlawful and obscene mistreatment of humans detained under the authority of the American flag is cowardice, and an preponderate lack of faith in our system of government. Persons who have solemnly sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution claim that the President's war powers exist outside of Constitutional strictures.

There is one word which properly describes this: Tyranny. It must be resisted; for America's future, because it is a frontal assault upon the very foundations of the United States.

This is not an exaggeration. Consider The US Constitution; Article. VI.; clause 2:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Geneva Conventions clearly are treaties which were made "under the Authority of the United States", therefore they are the Supreme Law of the Land. A high contracting party in the Geneva Conventions cannot abrogate them during a time of war. The Bush Administration's weaseling "unlawful combatant" class clearly violates the Conventions. Judges are bound to decide cases within the Constitutional framework. Those who have acquiesced, are complicit, and derelict.

There is a methodology for determining whether a combatant is not covered under the Geneva Conventions, but it must be a tribunal which follows minimal recognised due process procedures which decides. The president by himself cannot be this tribunal. It is an outrageous overreach for this claim to have been advanced. When tribunals have been held, they occurred well after the stripping of Geneva Protocol Protections. This exposes the Bush Administration as utterly faithless in the power and righteousness of the US Judicial Process. This has even extended into Congress, and together they have conspired to eliminate habeas corpus. Have Americans truly become so ignorant that they do not understand what is at stake?

Our country engaged in revolution originally, because a different George was engaging in the same tyrannies:

  • He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.
  • He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended legislation:
  • For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
  • For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:
  • For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
  • He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized nation.
  • A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free People.

For the future of America, this must cease. The Dreamtime is under attack.

To those who disagree; Originalise This:

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." -James Madison

"Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations,—entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns, and the surest bulwarks against anti-republican tendencies; the preservation of the general government in its whole constitutional vigour, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad;…freedom of religion; freedom of the press; freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus; and trial by juries impartially selected,—these principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us, and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation." --Thomas Jefferson

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." --Thomas Paine

We're Americans, we're supposed to be the high ground walkers, the shining beacon on the hill illuminating the power of individual liberty. This means we'll play by the rules, even if it means we have to fight with one hand tied behind our back. We will do it the right way, and we will prevail; because we are Americans.

Lets do a minor editing job on a paraphrased version of the president's speech:

I have authorized the FBI to murder certain people who have been arrested for driving with expired license plates.  This has enabled us to prevent numerous instances of license plate theft, keeping our nation's highways safe.  If Congress will act to authorize these murders, and do so quickly, we can stop murdering arrested  persons and just beat them  half to death.

Sure, this isn't what he said, but it's close enough.  So, why wouldn't a Congress worth a bucket of spit begin impeachment proceedings and do so immediately? A high crime is a high crime, whether committed by a member of your party or the other party.  And, Bush just acknowledged committing a high crime. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

The cravenness of Bush's actions and Rovian strategy has moved into a new, much more dangerous phase. It is apparent now that any and all means to lock in the Administration's grip on domestic and foreign warmaking policies are being considered and planned. That there would be a plan B, C, etc., isn't surprising. But the plans themselves are being updated and altered dynamically as the domestic political campaign proceeds. These may include creating a situation that will lead to war with Syria and or Iran, facilitating major attacks on US properties, troops and citizens in the US and abroad, an attempted or even successful assassination of a key Western figure, etc. I'm not trying to stoke fear of any one or other possible move; instead, I'm strongly suggesting that desperation is approaching critical mass, where events may begin to drive themselves in ways even the Administration and certainly the nation isn't prepared for.

The shameless, anything goes manipulation of the public perception and mood that has characterized Bush&Cie. from the beginning is precipitating a national emergency that may not be avoidable unless contrary action is taken by concerned citizens and groups. It behooves any sane person to consider what may need to be done to avert a disaster, and begin doing it in earnest.

He was the type of guy who could be conned into buying it, but he had trouble blowing up balloons.

Best line of the week.

It is interesting that in November 2000, Bruce Hoffman of the Rand Corp said this about Clinton:

When Bill Clinton leaves office in January, he can claim credit for having done more than any other president to ensure that the United States is prepared to counter the threat of terrorism. Overall spending on preparedness and response measures nearly doubled, and terrorism was elevated to the top of the list of security threats confronting the United States.

And catch this about the CIA:

But it must resist the temptation to fix wheels that aren't broken. A former secretary of the Navy, for example, was among those who described the attack on the USS Cole as an "obscene failure of intelligence." Such accusations ignore the intelligence community's highly commendable track record in thwarting a succession of anti-American terrorist acts here and abroad. These include repeated attempts made against U.S. embassies following the East Africa bombings, the apprehension last December of a terrorist in Washington state and the disruption of a related plot to kill U.S. tourists in Jordan that month. Indeed, this appears to be the one key area of U.S. counterterrorism policy that functions admirably. (Emphasis are mine)

How did such a commendable agency go so downhill in less than a year, as the Bush admin trumpets?

It must be one of those unknowable unknowns.

"It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."Rumsfeld-Feb.2003

Do criminals count as terrorists? Let me continue to digress from your openning paragraph. Terrorist attacks are up over four fold. But what's happening here? I seem to remember the major theme was that we fight them over there to keep the fight over there. But yesterday, I hear from A.G the A.G. [from MSNBC]: Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said Tuesday that cities will need to work harder to combat a spike in crime but shouldn’t count on more federal funding, citing growing demands in the war on terrorism.
So even on Bush's terms we are losing this war. The terrorists are not here killing us, but their efforts are producing that result.
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Larry --

Are C.I.A. sponsored and conducted "manhunts" and "targeted assassinations" okay? The 2002 Predator assassination in Yemen, for example? Not a lot of due process in that case, methinks.

 So, Rummy was right.  It was more like 6 years than 6 months or 6 weeks or 6 days.  We just hadn't learned yet how to interpret Rummyspeak.

Hoppy in Sacramento

We just hadn't learned yet how to interpret Rummyspeak.

Yes! How odd that we had missed that.

What I really don't get is how a guy can ignore reality by supplying his own facts and STILL be so wrong all the time.

In Rummyspeak, this would mean that he should ignore reality and facts and focus only on conclusions after the other 2 have already happened. Then his unknowables would be known. His futures might be a tad uncertain, though.


"It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."Rumsfeld-Feb.2003

I am not sure 'sponsored' is the proper description, It is hardly the CIA which authorised the arming of their Predators with Hellfire missiles, and it is also very unlikey that the CIA was the real authoriser of Predator missions which were violating Yemeni airspace. That is an exceedingly agressive act, which we would consider to be an act of war if the tables were turned.

The CIA has been involved with some dark and evil business in its history, but to accuse them of being the original motivation is false, especially post-Church investigation. The orders for any Yemeni mission in all probability came from the Executive branch, or possibly high-end Pentagon, but even the latter seems unlikely, given the potential volatility from the discovery of operating an surveillence asset, which is armed with significant lethal force within the borders of a country we are not officially engaged in hostilities with. State would freak out, so it wasn''t them. I'd guess that the sponsorship, and marching orders were stamped with the Prez's or VPs seal.

As to the mission's propriety, I haven't the available data to make that judgement, but if the decision had been mine to make, there would have needed to be high quality intelligence from familiar sources possessing an upper-end reliability rating, and the potential target of blue chip value, who was also an eminent threat to important US interests. I doubt that the Bush Administration's standards are this high.

Al Qaida is America's enemy, especially the leaders, and the members with international travelling experience. They are the ones who can visualise the means, and have the capability to engage the far enemy. America, as a country, has little to fear from the madrass educated Pak-Talibani in N. Waziristan, or the extremist who grew up fatherless in a Jordanian ghetto, no matter how it is portrayed by neoconnivers, although they are potentially deadly to soldiers operating in a foreign theatre, or American nonmilitary citizens in the same geopolitical swamps.

Don't demonise the techs flying the predators, they were tasked with orders, which had also been Congressionally approved, sort of... they are still human beings, who may very well have experienced an inner cacophony of remorse and self-doubt from bringing death. Even from a control room on the opposite end of the world, there would be a great deal of perceived personal proximity in the act, because the good controllers are the ones who can can imagine a projection of themselves onto the platform they are operating, and the cameras would provide detailed feedback.

I would be much more comfortable if CIA survellience drones remained unarmed though, and the Pentagon was tasked with missions such as this. The roles of civillian intelligence operatives and the military should not get blurred, because it will lead to big problems in the future if it is, although soldier operators might itself prove more problematical in missions which violated territorial airspace of a sovereign nation.

 

Right. Things will get worse before they get better. The Democrats don't have an answer for Iraq because there isn't one. Iraq is much, much worse than Vietnam. People will learn different lessons from Iraq, depending on their predispositions. The war lovers are losing popular support, but they will only become more militant. The war lovers must be totally humiliated. This will only happen when the Republicans become the anti-war party, and that will only happen when popular opposition to the war has become overwhelming. Things will have to get much worse before that happens. I conclude that the primary responsibility of the left is to speak the truth, try to win local elections, and be willing to lose the Presidency.

I wasn't intending to charge the CIA with a moral deficiency -- only intending to identify the particular "targeted assassination."

My point was that if, based upon CIA (or other government agencies) intelligence, it's okay to assassinate suspected/alleged terrorists, what's the problem with doing it after they're captured -- same intelligence, same result, right?

Or to put it differently, if they don't deserve due process before they're captured, why do they deserve due process after capture? 

On Stuff - by Donald Rumsfeld

"...Think what's happened in our cities when we've had riots, and problems, and looting. Stuff happens! But in terms of what's going on in that country, it is a fundamental misunderstanding to see those images over, and over, and over again of some boy walking out with a vase and say, "Oh, my goodness, you didn't have a plan." That's nonsense. They know what they're doing, and they're doing a terrific job. And it's untidy, and freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things, and that's what's going to happen here."

Donald Rumsfeld, DoD News Briefing April 11, 2003

Stuff happens, even in our cities when we've had riots and problems and looting, And it's untidy, and freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things.

"Looting is an unfortunate thing. Human beings are not perfect. We've seen looting in this country. We've seen riots at soccer games in various countries around the world. We've seen destruction after athletic events in our own country. No one likes it. No one allows it. It happens, and it's unfortunate. And to the extent it can be stopped, it should be stopped. To the extent it happens in a war zone, it's difficult to stop."

Donald Rumsfeld, DoD News Briefing, April 15, 2003

Stuff happens, even in our cities when we've had riots and problems and looting, And it's untidy, and freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. Looting is an unfortunate thing. Human beings are not perfect. No one likes it. No one allows it. It happens, and it's unfortunate.

"...when there's a war people in the area go in and take things, we've seen that after a football games and soccer games in different countries and it occurred I guess in Turkey in the wake of the earthquake. It's a natural, apparently a not infrequent behavior pattern for human beings, it's unfortunate..."

Secretary Rumsfeld Media Stakeout after CNN Late Edition, CNN News, Sunday, May 4, 2003
Stuff happens, even in our cities when we've had riots and problems and looting, And it's untidy, and freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. Looting is an unfortunate thing. Human beings are not perfect. No one likes it. No one allows it. It happens, and it's unfortunate. When there's a war people in the area go in and take things. It's a natural, apparently a not infrequent behavior pattern for human beings, it's unfortunate...

'...disorder happens every time there's a transition. We saw it in Eastern European countries when they move from the communist system to a free system. We've seen it in Los Angeles here in our own country. We've seen it in Detroit, we've seen it in city after city when there was a difficulty. And it always breaks your heart. You're always sorry to see it, and it isn't something that someone allows or doesn't allow. It's something that happens. We know there are people -- there are people who do bad things. There are people who steal from hospitals in the United States. So does it surprise me that people went into a hospital and did something? I guess it doesn't surprise me. It's a shame, it's too bad, and we're trying to get medical supplies in to those hospitals that were robbed, and we are doing it, and we are having good success at it.

But we didn't allow it. It happened. And that's what happens when you go from a dictatorship with repressed order, police state to something that is going to be different. There's a transition period, and no one is control. There are periods where -- we're still fighting in Baghdad. We don't allow bad things to happen. Bad things do happen in life, and people do loot. We've seen that in the United States. It's happened in every country. It's a shame when it happens"

Secretary Rumsfeld Interview with NBC Meet the Press, MSNBC (DoD trnascript), Sunday, April 13, 2003

Stuff happens, even in our cities when we've had riots and problems and looting, And it's untidy, and freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things. Looting is an unfortunate thing. Human beings are not perfect. No one likes it. No one allows it. It happens, and it's unfortunate. When there's a war people in the area go in and take things. It's a natural, apparently a not infrequent behavior pattern for human beings, it's unfortunate, bur disorder happens every time there's a transition. We saw it in Eastern Europe, we've seen it in LA and in Detroit. And it always breaks your heart. You're always sorry to see it. It doesn't surprise me, it's a shame, it's too bad, but we didn't allow it. Stuff happened.

Do criminals count as terrorists?
Oughtn't it be the other way around?

Terrorist acts are criminal, thus terrorists are criminals, aren't they?

I didn't mean to paint you with such a broad brush, sorry.

To revisit what I believe is proper here in this GWOT:

  • There are entirely different standards of actions and behaviours when dealing with an enemy in the field, and after capture, so no, targeted 'assassinations' of known enemies in a theatre of war cannot rationally lead to post-capture execution without first securing a conviction in a tribunal that follows due process of law.
  • There are some valid points within the argument that the GWOT is different from other wars, in that there is no real identifiable theatres based solely upon international boundries, but the general rule, which directs in the vast majority of cases, would be that International boundries be respected in prosecuting the war. There needs to be provable, unimpeachable evidence that the targeted individual had the ability to freely move internationally, and was an imminent threat. This is a major distinction from the Bush Admin policies, which seem to imply the US government can violate foreign sovereignty without showing a credible and imminent threat as cause.
  • There also needs to be careful considerations of events likely to occur in the future, which will cite these actions as a basis for their legitimacy. This is very dangerous uncharted water. Unintended effects will assurdedly arise from traversing it.
  • The CIA should not be involved with actions such as this. They are non-military actors, and the justification that the act flowed from a valid prosecution of a rightful war is immediately weakened. This is a job for the pentagon's direct agents, who are uniformed, not the intelligence community's.

 

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