Ending the War on Terror
The value of the "war on terror" as a construct for U.S. foreign policy is much in debate these days, with a recent cover article by James Fallows in the Atlantic. George Soros has made the best case that I have seen yet for why the phrase and the underlying concept are leading us deeply astray. See his op-ed in the Wall Street Journal today (which I have reprinted below to get around the pay wall). My colleague John Ikenberry has also deployed some great arguments on this score; I will let him weigh in when he is back from vacation.
Wall Street Journal
”A Self-Defeating War”
By George Soros
By George Soros -- The war on terror is a false metaphor that has led to counterproductive and self-defeating policies. Five years after 9/11, a misleading figure of speech applied literally has unleashed a real war fought on several fronts -- Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Somalia -- a war that has killed thousands of innocent civilians and enraged millions around the world. Yet al Qaeda has not been subdued; a plot that could have claimed more victims than 9/11 has just been foiled by the vigilance of British intelligence.
Unfortunately, the "war on terror" metaphor was uncritically accepted by the American public as the obvious response to 9/11. It is now widely admitted that the invasion of Iraq was a blunder. But the war on terror remains the frame into which American policy has to fit. Most Democratic politicians subscribe to it for fear of being tagged as weak on defense.
What makes the war on terror self-defeating?
• First, war by its very nature creates innocent victims. A war waged against terrorists is even more likely to claim innocent victims because terrorists tend to keep their whereabouts hidden. The deaths, injuries and humiliation of civilians generate rage and resentment among their families and communities that in turn serves to build support for terrorists.
• Second, terrorism is an abstraction. It lumps together all political movements that use terrorist tactics. Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Sunni insurrection and the Mahdi army in Iraq are very different forces, but President Bush's global war on terror prevents us from differentiating between them and dealing with them accordingly. It inhibits much-needed negotiations with Iran and Syria because they are states that support terrorist groups.
• Third, the war on terror emphasizes military action while most territorial conflicts require political solutions. And, as the British have shown, al Qaeda is best dealt with by good intelligence. The war on terror increases the terrorist threat and makes the task of the intelligence agencies more difficult. Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri are still at large; we need to focus on finding them, and preventing attacks like the one foiled in England.
• Fourth, the war on terror drives a wedge between "us" and "them." We are innocent victims. They are perpetrators. But we fail to notice that we also become perpetrators in the process; the rest of the world, however, does notice. That is how such a wide gap has arisen between America and much of the world.
Taken together, these four factors ensure that the war on terror cannot be won. An endless war waged against an unseen enemy is doing great damage to our power and prestige abroad and to our open society at home. It has led to a dangerous extension of executive powers; it has tarnished our adherence to universal human rights; it has inhibited the critical process that is at the heart of an open society; and it has cost a lot of money. Most importantly, it has diverted attention from other urgent tasks that require American leadership, such as finishing the job we so correctly began in Afghanistan, addressing the looming global energy crisis, and dealing with nuclear proliferation.
With American influence at low ebb, the world is in danger of sliding into a vicious circle of escalating violence. We can escape it only if we Americans repudiate the war on terror as a false metaphor. If we persevere on the wrong course, the situation will continue to deteriorate. It is not our will that is being tested, but our understanding of reality. It is painful to admit that our current predicaments are brought about by our own misconceptions. However, not admitting it is bound to prove even more painful in the long run. The strength of an open society lies in its ability to recognize and correct its mistakes. This is the test that confronts us.
Mr. Soros, a financier, is author of "The Age of Fallibility: Consequences of the War on Terror" (Public Affairs, 2006).


Superb!
August 16, 2006 2:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Superb, but Americans love wars much more than nuanced diplomatic solutions to problems. So, any politicians foolish enough to buy into this, right as it is, will soon be seeking jobs elsewhere. We are our own enemy, a far more deadly enemy than any "terrorist" anywhere.
Now if we had a draft, if we had increased taxes commensurate with war, if we had severe limitations on our populace, if in any way those of us with no relatives or friends dying in Iraq had a part in this "war", things would be different.
Hoppy in Sacramento
August 16, 2006 3:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
I admire Soros. His approach to global economic problems is worthy of great respect. His analysis of the underlying dynamics of the War on Terror is perceptive. But it misses one crucial, inescapable fact. Regardless the circumstances and dynamics that gave rise to terrorist acts, terrorist acts are real, material, effective and by now irremissable. As it were, the genie's out of the bottle. Terrorisism is now an accepted modus of warfare, terrorist acts deployments of terrorist weapons. Terrorism is globalized guerilla warfare. It works, and, depending on the "terrain" it works beautifully. It's the "anti-atomic weapon."
There is an old comedy/satirical song penned by former MIT mathemetician Tom Lehrer, a song about Werner Von Braun, the former Nazi scientist who helped develop U.S. missile technology in the 1950s-60s. One line speaks to our anxieties about terrorist acts: "When the missiles go up who cares where they come down. That's not my department," says Werner Von Braun.
August 16, 2006 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have no statistics but I suspect that terrorism is about the same as it has been for many years. Back during Reagan's administration our country was a terrorist nation, recruiting, training, paying and assisting terrorists in Nicaragua and in El Salvador. During then and later the IRA was active in the UK. Third world nations had their own brands of terrorist groups, and still do, for that matter. Nothing has changed other than our fear, intentionally fanned by the Republicans for political purposes.
Hoppy in Sacramento
August 16, 2006 5:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
First, welcome back Dean Slaughter. You were missed.
I would like to add some further reservations about the "war on terrorism" to the list offered by George Soros:
The main reason to reject the war on terrorism as a dominant themes and guiding principle of national policy is the corrosive and debilitating effect that war is having, and will continue to have, on our national culture. Daily talk about the "war on terrorism" conveys a sense of permanent emergency and crisis. This is harmful for at least these two reasons: first, because emergency conditions create the demand for, an acquiescence in, emergency powers; and second, because modern terrorism is not a crisis, but is likely to be a more or less permanent feature of modern life, and for a very long time. That is regrettable, but it means we have a choice: are we going to continue to wallow in our post-9/11 national stupor and trauma, frozen in time and haunted by the shadows of "wartime" fear and doom? Or are we going to move on and build our future, and consign terrorism to that psychic background space of modern nightmares and potential harms - like fatal traffic accidents and sudden heart failure - that, while undoubtably real, we do not allow to govern our lives.
Bush and friends prefer fear and doom, and that is why they love the War on Terror.
What Americans are mainly being distracted from by the war on terrorism is not some other horrifying overseas bogeyman, but their own domestic future. Americans need to get back to building their economic and social future, with the customary optimism, good cheer, humor and bluff courage which characterizes Americans at their best. They need to escape from the morose gloom and doom, and introverted paralyzing paranoia, into which the Bush administration has pushed them, and continues to push them because it serves their own ends. Such episodes have occurred throughout American history, and represent America at its worst.
The war theme also encourage a false promise of a decisive "victory" over terrorism. But I doubt we are ever going to see terrorism go away, although we may have more or less success in suppressing it. Twenty years from now, thirty years from now, fifty or a hundred years from now it may still be with us. Terrorism is a technique that will always be attractive to non-state actors with limited conventional power. As explosive materials and devices have become more readily available in the past few centuries, as modest technical proficiency in physical chemistry and biochemistry has spread outside a small well-governed elite and into the broader culture, and as cheap and easily obtained guns and bargain basement military equipment have been proliferated to absurd and obscene levels, the frequency and destructiveness of terrorism have increased apace.
We are not just experiencing a sudden burst of militancy. One suspects there will always be radical militant groups characterized by some combination of legitimate grievances, dour alientation, resentment, fantasy, hatred and wild-eyed utopian fervor. They will be attracted by the opportunity for a few weak people to do great damage. Preventing terrorist attacks should be regarded as one of the standard security functions of government. Americans and others should shift from thinking of fighting terrorism on the model of warfare or a response to crisis, and begin to think of it as part of good government-as-usual.
I also worry about what the war on terrorism is doing to a generation of young Americans. Rather than helping the nation heal from the 9/11 trauma, the government's tireless promulgation of the war on terrorism theme is helping to produce a generation of quasi-fanatics. Rachel Kleinman and some of the other Truman Democrats, for example, have made it clear that they now regard the War on Terrorism (or the War on Islamofascism, or the War on Islamic Totalitarianism, or one of the other affiliated "wars") as the defining theme and cause of their generation. I'm really quite concerned about the future of the country if the upcoming generation is fixated on the problem of terrorism above all other problems, and makes it their life's vocation to pursue a quixotic quest to kill the Tree of Evil by destroying and pulling out the "root causes" of terrorism. I'm also a bit concerned about the strong sense of generational difference, specialness and "calling" the war theme seems to have wrought in their psychologies.
The war metaphor also gives people a false sense of confidence that the changes we make in our legal and constitutional practices and traditions are only temporary emergency measures, rather than permanent ones. But in fact, they are not at all likely to be temporary. Once the prosecutorial, police and judicial arms of goverment succeed in accumulating new powers, it is almost impossible for people to take those powers back, There will always be some reason to be found why the "war" must be continued, or why the previous war has morphed into some new war.
The war theme also encourages obsessive navel gazing about whether we are "winning" the war on terror, and distorts our political debate in other ways as well. For example, Democrats who accept the grave allure and cosmic significance of the War on Terror are often driven to argue that the reason one should oppose the war in Iraq is because that latter war is a "distraction" from the war on terror. This is really misguided and wrongheaded. Even if there were no terrorist threat of any significance facing us, the events transpiring in Iraq would be a calamity of global import. Surely precipitating a massive collapse of stability, and a horrifying carnival of murder in the heart of the most strategic region in the world, and sending thousands of American soldiers into the meat grinder in the process, is awful enough without any need to bring in the matter of spurious "distractions" from the equally spurious war on terror.
Democrats cowed by the war on terror ballyhoo also sometimes box themselves into the awkward position of arguing, for political effect, that we are in fact "losing" the "war". Now Americans have all sorts of problems with Bush's domestic and foreign policy. But it is more than faintly absurd to take up the position that a country that has not seen a major terrorist attack since the so-called "war on terror" began is actually losing that war. The only evidence for this is that there are still terrorists out there, and there are still terorist plans to be thwarted - like the recent UK episode. But it was thwarted. And you know what? When Democrats take over, there are still going to be terrorists out there and the Democratic administration will still have to thwart planned attacks. We don't want to lay down the position now that the very existence of nasty terrorists making nasty plans that we have to thwart proves both that there is a "war on terrorism" and that we are "losing" that war. If so, Democrats will be losing the war from the day they take office.
So, rather than continuing to enable the Bush/Republican bewitchment of the public about the War on Terror, let's work to decisively break the spell, re-enter the reality-based realm, and treat terrorism as just one among several serious and persistant challenges to security and peace. And if people are looking for some cause to devote themselves to, how about the cause of building an exciting and optimistic future of prosperity, hope and progress, rather than languishing in the dismal and gloomy twilight world of the War on Terrorism.
August 16, 2006 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Another thing we're not doing is focusing on our own homegrown equivalent of terror - gangs, drugs, inner city decay, and that dreadfully old-fashioned "P" word -poverty. We didn't win either the War on Poverty or the War on Drugs either.
Maybe war isn't the answer.
August 16, 2006 5:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or perhaps, dull and several years late.
Soros is wrong if he thinks the "frame" is responsible for the manner in which Bush and Cheney conduct America's foreign policy.
The GWOT meme is for domestic political consumption, only. As such, it acts to sanitize imperialist adventures and innoculate the Administration against criticism. Whatever they called it, we'd still have gone into Iraq, still have called Sharon a "man of peace," and still have given Israel a free hand in its wars against Hizbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad.
August 16, 2006 5:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
You all miss the obvious, the whole "War on Terror" is a fraud. It's a "Big Lie" designed to generate fear and war. Take, for example, the London Airplane terror plot which is falling apart before our eyes.
Here is what we know so far:
1: The "terrorists" had absolutely no experience or training with explosives.
2: They had not acquired any materials.
3: They had not purchased any plane tickets.
4: They didn't even have passports.
5: They had been under surveillance for quite some time.
Here is what we will soon learn:
1: The "leaders" of the group are a MI5 or MI6 agents.
2: The group was funded indirectly by the ISI. (ISI = CIA)
This has all the hallmarks of a classic state-sponsored false-flag terrorist scam.
Wake-up sheeple! Your government is conning you!
Peace.
"All great truths begin as blasphemies." - Shaw
August 16, 2006 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Fair points, Ellen. Still, it's nice to see a concise summary of why and how the "war on terror" frame is damaging. That construct might not have influenced the current administration's foreign policy, but it was definitely used to justify that foreign policy.
PSA: There is a Users' Help Forum.
August 16, 2006 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Superb! In the past year here I have never had the occasion to use this exclamation twice in 1 thread.
With quality writing, sound reasoning and a compelling positive case you have the makings of an Op-Ed.
August 16, 2006 7:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's one for the tinfoil hat crowd.
August 16, 2006 8:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, the "War on Terror" -- whether or not a metaphor and no matter how successfully or unsuccessfully "fought" -- promises to be with us for a long time (cf. the War on Drugs) -- pace Soros and Dan K. It will not be easily consigned to, as Trotsky and Reagan might have said, the ash heap of semantic history.
In political speech "War on X" means only that the government has identified a harm which is categorically different from and greater than the ordinary harms -- traffic accidents, for example -- which a society accepts in the ordinary course.
Most Americans (excepting GWB and DC) understand that the "Terror" they must defeat is not a tactic of certain actors but the actors themselves -- Islamists who wish to kill Americans in the United States.
Our job is not to eliminate the phrase but to change the manner in which the "war" is conducted.
August 16, 2006 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's much that's true in this post, and there's no doubt that the WAY the Bush Administration has prosecuted the "War on Terror" almost by definition discredits the whole idea.
And yet I can't help but think that a lot of this is whistling past the graveyard. It is probably true that if terrorism were to stay more or less at the level it exists now, especially in the US where it is essentially non-existent, then yes, it would be possible to argue that terrorism should be treated no differently than any other scourge of modern life like car accidents or heart disease. But of course the terrorists themselves, especially those states like Iran where terrorism is state policy, aren't sitting still. They are getting more sophisticated, seeking more and better weapons and looking to spread their evil ideology. People on this blog tend to pooh-pooh the threat of Iranian nukes. But even they are ten years away, how can anyone say that nukes in the hands of a government with the track record of Iran isn't something just insanely scary? If that doesn't meet the definition of an enemy that needs to be fought, then I don't know what does.
So what I fear is not the retirement of the term "war on terror" but rather the slow acceptance of terrorism as something you can't do very much about. I'm with those who say that the struggle against Islamic extremism is nothing less than the defense of Western civilization and as such, it needs to be be put at the center of the nation's agenda. Does that imply an endorsement of the Bush agenda? It shouldn't, but to too many people it does. And that's one of the most pernicious legacies of this most pernicious of presidencies.
August 16, 2006 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Terrorists are evil. The axis of evil is evil. I don't think their foreign policy goes much beyond that.
This administration is nothing if not one of acting at the gut level. Cerebral ideas like "creative destabilization" only give them cover for what their guts tell them to do. Ask yourself, is it imperialism that is playing out in the middle east? Or is it something more emotionally driven?
August 16, 2006 9:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's beyond tinfoil hat. he's made up a story out of thin air, based on his political beliefs and nothing else (unless he has some inside sources in British intel that he's not telling us about), and now he's going to watch the news and cherry-pick things to "prove" it. It's exactly the same thing the Bush administration tried to do with Iraq and WMD.
It's very depressing to see someone rate the comment a 4, to fall for a lefty version of a "Curveball" or a Chalabi. Makes me want to stop spending so much time at this place, thinking I might catch a bit of whatever non-reality-based disease is going around.
Even should a few of his predictions come true, it will never redeem the method. It's not just paranoid, it's a faulty way to approach discerning truth: a closed mind.
August 16, 2006 9:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
. . . Iran where terrorism is state policy . . . .
Too broad: Iran where the support of organizations who employ terrorism against Israel is state policy. Yes?
August 16, 2006 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for pointing out that you think the Fallows piece is important.
I would note to others that even thought the article is not available on line, there are two links to "Atlantic Unbound" pieces by him that are related and thought-provoking.
August 16, 2006 9:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
You might want to consider Craig Murray's recent piece, here.
August 16, 2006 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
There were only two predictions in that comment. So, if both were to pan out, it would still be a few. The non-predictions stated were facts. You are free to interpret them as you wish, just as others do.
Hoppy in Sacramento
August 16, 2006 9:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dan K wrote a great post above covering many excellent points, but a couple of things I would like to add. First - at frequent risk of getting my head kicked in - I have been telling anyone willing to listen that terrorism is a tactic. It's as old as warfare itself, and no amount of bombs or bluster will change this fact.
Next, I am delighted that Dan K took a shot at the self-described Truman Democrats. Frankly, their arguments boil down to - we agree with the war on terror (and the war in Iraq), we'd just do it smarter than Bush. It cannot be emphasized often enough, but the concept of the "war on terror" IS the problem. It is not possible to fight smarter when you've failed to properly define what you are fighting.
Now, an important point about Soros - he identified this "false metaphor" back before the last Pres. election. In the Bubble of American Supremacy, he laid out the fundamental flaws of Bushco's entire approach to the terror threat. If there's anyone who like me has read The Age of Fallibility - I'll tell you honestly, it is quite a redundant read because Soros basically plagiarized all his ideas from his previous book!
So the point to take away here is not that Soros has suddenly produced a masterful thesis... it is that he is finally getting mainstream coverage for having diagnosed some time ago how grandly Bushco is fucking things up. My favorite summation of Soros's thinking is this: just because Bin Laden and co do evil things, doesn't mean automatically that every one of our responses is good.
Finally, George Will's most recent contribution in the Post really ought to be getting more airtime. This article here is a terrific smackdown of Bushco. This is the killer excerpt for me:
Let's be realistic - Soros's article, at best, will be ignored by the Bushbots and other wingnut dickheads. But you will be hard-pressed to find conservatives lining up against George Will. Kind of like when Bill Buckley went public about Bushco's incompetence... the rabid right were silenced. They fear to be seen to be turning against their own, so for goodness sake let's point out the obvious and show them their own have turned against them.
August 17, 2006 3:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may well be that the "global war on terror" will devolve into a purely political form of the word, but those using the term treat it like a shooting war. There is heavy emphasis on military answers, on portraying the threat as an organisation that must be killed.
The rhetoric of "global war on terror" only serves to scare the populace, to maintain FUD. A sober analysis would show that less, not more, is being done under Bush than under Clinton to reduce the threat of terrorist attacks. Intelligence-gathering, cooperation, almost every effective tactic has been scorned by Bush as too wimpy.
Using the word "War" for political gain may seem macho, but in the end only invites sarcasm. The "war on drugs" was/is a joke, and the "war on poverty" also faded away in emberassment.
August 17, 2006 4:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, some elements are plausible, but not in the extent that he predicts. Consider:
Take as an example the neonazi scene in Germany: often scandals emerge where it's suggested that the undercover agents goaded the group into action, or where a sizeable part of the group were actually agents. Some of it is true, and some is ironically fostered by those groups as a tactic to get off on a technicality when busted.
Let's take that to Britain: how implausible is it that a group could use double agents, i.e. "informers" who are only out to fleece the Authorities?
By denying these possibilities, you miss the chance to inoculate your position against the "Bush and Blair were behind it!" conspiracy nuts. It's best to be prepared.
August 17, 2006 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brad, I do think the rising power of Iran, and the the question of best way to deal with that power, pose serious challenges for the US, Europe, Russia, China and for states in the region - including Arab states. But these challenges only seem connected in remote ways with the problem of terrorism.
We've learned of several terrorist plots and alleged plots against Western governments and their people over the past five years - in Canada, in the US, in the UK and in Spain, for example. Have any of them been traced to the government of Iran, or to groups who owe their primary loyalty to Iran? Have there been any credible reports - or even suggestions from our own Iran-obsessed government - that Iranian agents are in the US actively organizing terrorist operations?
My own view is that US relations with Iran are more a matter for coventional statecraft, and don't fall under our efforts against terrorism in any direct way. I don't want the Iranians to have nuclear weapons; just as I didn't want the Indians and the Pakistanis to have nuclear weapons, or the Israelis, or the Chinese, or the North Koreans, or the Russians. But this just seems to me to be the latest manifestation of the older problem of nuclear proliferation - a problem we have had for decades, before anyone was worried much about terrorism
But this is part of the problem with the war on terror theme. The expression "war on terrorism" is often expanded by the government and media to cover all issues of security concern related in any way to the Middle East and Muslim world. It is not conducive to clear thinking to refer to refer to such a broad assortment of different issues under a single heading - and specifically, the single heading of "terrorism".
And personally, I do not think Western civilization itself is in significant jeopardy. The sky isn't falling.
August 17, 2006 5:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't see how Soros misses what you think he misses. Nothing in his op-ed denies the reality of terrorism. What are you talking about?
August 17, 2006 6:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, its not out there at all.
In Canada during our separatist crisis, the RCMP (Our FBI the mounties) attempted to infiltrate and discredit the separatist movement.
What was discovered when a public inquiry came about was that the RCMP made a habit of writing wildly inflammatory separatist letters to the press, to discredit real separatists. Infiltrators also colluded with and incited criminal acts. And at least one or two criminal acts, including the burning down of a barn, was actually initiated and planned by the RCMP.
This was not the separatists crying foul. This was the RCMP's dirty little secrets being dragged out into the light.
Structurally, in order to infiltrate a group, police or undercover agents often feel the need to establish their false bona fides with tough and extremist talk.
Quite often, when undercover agents are exposed, people in these groups have identified the agent as the most radical and aggressive person in the group. He's the one most inclined to incite violence, most inclined to push for the most extreme position. The need to continually 'prove' that they are real radicals can lead to advocacy of violence and actual violence.
In part, its the need to produce results. After all, every undercover assignment is a major investment of time and money. An undercover agent cannot easily be placed in a role, removed, and then re-placed in another role.
So what happens when an undercover agent is placed with what turns out to be a Koran group, or a pacifist anti-war group. Major waste of time and resources. So bureaucraticaly there is a need to radicalize. You have to justify your undercover work, even if this amounts to going out and committing minor terrorist acts, or cajoling others to plan terrorist acts.
Frankly, if it can happen in Canada, then its a snap that it is a real issue elsewhere.
In terms of Britain, we know that they experienced a similar phenomenon in dealing with the IRA.
And in the US, we have only to look at COINTELPRO or Operation Northwood (google either of them) to see how easily and brutally it can happen. In Operation Northwood elements in the Pentagon actually plotted the murder of American citizens in order to justify a military invasion of some pissy little third world country.
Often with these things, we don't find out the truth until years later.
My own view is that by this time, the historical record of these 'false flags' and 'black ops' is so extensive and so disturbing, that we simply cannot accept any current incident at face value any more.
It is not paranioa, but simple realism. Given the historical record, we simply cannot know.
August 17, 2006 6:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
People on this blog tend to pooh-pooh the threat of American nukes. But even they are ten years away, how can anyone say that nukes in the hands of a government with the track record of America isn't something just insanely scary? If that doesn't meet the definition of an enemy that needs to be fought, then I don't know what does.
August 17, 2006 6:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
And add to the list:
"Shock and Awe" is nothing more than a government sponsored military led terror tactic. It is meant to instill fear and terror.
August 17, 2006 6:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
What precisely is it about the track record of Iran that makes it so "insanely scary" for them to acquire nuclear weapons? Do we really have to accept the judgment of the Bush administration that supporting Hezbollah and Hamas puts Iran beyond the pale of civilization, while Pakistan's connivance with Taliban, al-Qaeda, and anti-Hindu terrorists is tolerable? I don't see it. Iran is a repressive theocracy, but their foreign policy since the Islamic revolution has been rather more rational and pragmatic than that of the US, however much we may dislike its aims. Iran is also a rising power in the Middle East, and the US is a declining one. Too bad. Learn to live with it, because that fact is not going away.
August 17, 2006 6:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, its very simple. Iran has a long track record of violence.
For instance, here's a list of the countries it has invaded!
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Whereas the United States has in the last forty years only sent troops on missions to: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Grenada, Libya, Lebanon, Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Panama, Somalia, Kosovo, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Persian Gulf.
hmmmm
Okay, bad example.
BUT Iran did fight a major war with Iraq...
...20 years ago.
...as compared to America which fought two wars with Iraq, maintained sanctions for 12 years, undertook numerous military bombing operations like 'Desert Fox' and currently occupies the place to this very day.
hmmm
Okay, another bad example.
BUT Iran sponsors terrorist organizations, like Al Quaeda...
... well, not like Al Quaeda, which it hates.
... But definitely it sponsors Hezbollah.
On the other hand, the United States has sponsored or supported terrorist organizations or operations in or against Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras, Iraq, Iran, Venezuala among others.
Hmmmm
That's not a good example either.
Okay, how about this:
Iran is a country of people who wear funny turbans and robes, who go around shouting Allah Akbar which probably doesn't mean any good, and who are not sufficiently devoted to kissing America's ass.
I think that justifies a good nukin' right there.
Meanwhile, over in that strange country called reality....
August 17, 2006 7:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
To BradtheDad and Artappraiser: I am more than a little astonished at the cavalier way you dismiss the comments of 911theInsideJob. Actually cavalier is too weak. BradtheDad ridicules it, saying nothing himself. And artappraiser thinks anyone who thinks his comments have merit is sick. Some discourse. I have read your comments for about a year. You are both more or less centrist Dems I think; I am a leftist and a progressive or so I call myself. You are supposed (in the accepted conventional wisdom to be non-ideological); I am supposedly proceeding with the blinders of my ideology. But you dismiss the possibility of the British terrorist plot story AND RIDICULE SKEPTICS based on WHAT? I guess it must be the long history the administration (here and in Britain) and their stenography corps have of telling the truth, accuracy, and keeping politics out of news that has vital importance for the safety and security of its citizens. My own feeling is that while I do not say the plot is all BS (I just do not have enough facts), I am very bothered by numerous aspects of the reports some of which 911wasInsideJob mentionned. At the very least I believe there is a lot less to this conspiracy than the self-serving trumpeted by John Reid and the Bush crowd. First, there is the long history of lying reports that have come out of the British-American propaganda machine: DowningSt. Memo; the slaying of Menezes and the blatant lying over it by the top levels of the Blair government; and the recent FBI-orchestrated "plot" in Florida to name a few off the top of my head. To be lied to repeatedly and THEN to ridicule skeptics without providing a detailed account of what is different now is not a sign of intelligent thought. Next, the idea for simultaneous bombing of aircraft seems to be an "old" alQaeda idea; this suggests to me that if this plot is at all accurate, then the perpetrators might well be al Qaeda wannabes not the much ballyhooed real thing; of course wannabes can kill too. But that is not part of the current hysteria. If we take alQaeda seriously then give them some credit for being able to think of new and even more horriffic ways to strike at us. Also for an al Qaeda plot, the group is strangely silent given this major blow at one of their prime initiatives. Finally, we have heard news reports that British security has found the "goodbye" videotapes of the conspirators which are usually made according to our fine reportage within a week before the action is undertaken. But look at 911wasInsideJob's list of things that were not found or done at the time of the arrests: tickets not bought, bomb materials not found, passports...what with accumulating the materials, going through a dry run of how the munitions work(at least once don't you think?), taking care of all the rest they would have a busy week in my opinion. There are other aspects of this whole episode that smell badly. Of course not for FOX listeners, but then we are trying to rise above that level here.
August 17, 2006 8:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
And yet I can't help but think that a lot of this is whistling past the graveyard. It is probably true that if terrorism were to stay more or less at the level it exists now, especially in the US where it is essentially non-existent, then yes, it would be possible to argue that terrorism should be treated no differently than any other scourge of modern life like car accidents or heart disease. But of course the terrorists themselves, especially those states like Iran where terrorism is state policy, aren't sitting still. They are getting more sophisticated, seeking more and better weapons and looking to spread their evil ideology. People on this blog tend to pooh-pooh the threat of Iranian nukes. But even they are ten years away, how can anyone say that nukes in the hands of a government with the track record of Iran isn't something just insanely scary? If that doesn't meet the definition of an enemy that needs to be fought, then I don't know what does.
I'm sort of with you on this, but my concern is that the Administration isn't with you. My concern is that many in this Administration would find the continued existence of a non-nuclear and even non-Hezbollah-supporting Iran unacceptable if its under the current regime. Whether the real goal is an idealistic Middle East democracy project or a cynical grab for oil, the nuclear issue is perhaps just a tool for Bush, and therefore Bush does nothing to signal to Iran that giving up nukes would allow them to maintain control of their country.
In other words, the Bush Administration makes Iran MORE likely to acquire nukes, so that it might be more like North Korea than Iraq.
I'd agree that with increasing technology terrorism is going to be a bigger and bigger deal in the future. But that's exactly why we need to prioritize our anti-terrorism--we need to do more to fight the biggest threat, nuclear proliferation, and perhaps live with the smaller, more manageable threats. And above all we need to realize that war produces chaos and disorder and terrorists love chaos and disorder. We should threaten war with Iran, but we must consider that Mutually Assured Detriment--if we can keep Iran as a non-nuclear dictatorship, that would be much safer for us (as well as Iranians and the entire planet) than turning it into Iraq-style anarchy.
Iran may need to be fought in the future, but it sure as hell doesn't need to be fought TODAY, and nothing good will come of a war with Iran started by the guys who gave us the war in Iraq.
August 17, 2006 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good post. I would expand on your first point that terrorism is a tactic to say that it seems to me that most people (here and without) are arguing as if they've just popped up within an ongoing struggle with no idea what the fight is about but find an intense interest in one particular weapon or tactic being used in the struggle. They seem also to have donned blinders so as not to have to look beyond a narrow focus.
Of course Bushco favors the rhetoric of a "war" on terror, but is it really due strictly to some psychological defect?
Of course Iran and others (Russia, China, maybe India should be looked at as well) are maneuvering to limit and shrink the U.S. influence and presence in the M.E. We are in the middle of the next "Great Game". We are looking at major changes in the economic and political power worldwide. This is late capitalism. Oil has peaked. Corporations are becoming autonomous and with that democracies are declining. Wealth is being concentrated in the West and North while at the same time expectations of huge numbers of people in the East and South are rising.
Gated communities (-metaphor-) are not going to be worth spit.
August 17, 2006 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
I also worry about what the war on terrorism is doing to a generation of young Americans. Rather than helping the nation heal from the 9/11 trauma, the government's tireless promulgation of the war on terrorism theme is helping to produce a generation of quasi-fanatics. Rachel Kleinman and some of the other Truman Democrats, for example, have made it clear that they now regard the War on Terrorism (or the War on Islamofascism, or the War on Islamic Totalitarianism, or one of the other affiliated "wars") as the defining theme and cause of their generation. I'm really quite concerned about the future of the country if the upcoming generation is fixated on the problem of terrorism above all other problems, and makes it their life's vocation to pursue a quixotic quest to kill the Tree of Evil by destroying and pulling out the "root causes" of terrorism. I'm also a bit concerned about the strong sense of generational difference, specialness and "calling" the war theme seems to have wrought in their psychologies.
I've got to seriously disagree with you here. Terrorism is the key issue of our time--and this will be even more true in future generations. As more and more technology unleashes greater and greater power, the effort to keep small dissatisfied groups of individuals from killing mass numbers of people will become more and more important. Yes, we must always live with terrorism--but reducing (or at least not increasing) the number of people with both desire and means to kill a mass of their fellow human beings is an absolute requirement of human society in the future. If the younger generation happens to see that more clearly than their elders, than they're just ahead of the curve--it will become even more obvious to generations yet born, with destructive technologies yet undreamt.
That said, I think stopping terrorism is a matter of restraint, patience, cooperation, economics, and culture rather than causing destruction and chaos--but terrorism is still of primary importance.
August 17, 2006 8:31 AM | Reply | Permalink