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The McLieberman Mirage

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The idea of a McCain-Lieberman centrist party seems to be spreading rather than dying. I think this makes about no sense whatsoever. For one thing, ex ante skepticism about any third party venture in the United States should always be extremely high. And there's nothing about the current situation that would make you think we're in line for an exception. To get a third party off the ground, you would neeed a new high-salience issue that cut across the existing political coalitions and we don't have that. While contemporary national security debates don't have a logical relationship to, say, the abortion debate it turns out to be the case that in practice cultural traditionalists and foreign policy hawks are overwhelmingly the same people.

Paying too much attention to the media tends to obscure this since people with unusual configurations of views tend to stand out from the pack. But demographically speaking, the sort of things likely to make you a dove are just the same things that make you likely to be a cultural progressive. The only substantial block of dovish cultural traditionalists, meanwhile, are African-Americans which tends to re-enforce rather than undermine existing coalitions.

But even this analysis may be giving the idea too much credit. What would a McLieberman Party be about? What would be centrist about it?

On national security issues, McLieberman would have a far-right profile -- both Lieberman and McCain have been occassional critics of the Bush administration's national security policies but those have almost invariably been complaints that it's been insufficiently hawkish.

On domestic issues, meanwhile, Lieberman is a pretty orthodox liberal and McCain a pretty orthodox conservative. Neither of them are great partisan foot-soldiers which does give them something important in common as dissident members of their respective legislative caucuses, but a shared taste for disloyalty isn't a very firm basis for forging an institutional partnership. What's more, McCain's major domestic unorthodoxies stem from his willingness to sometimes buck big business interests in pursuit of what he sees as a truer, realer conservatism. Lieberman, by contrast, votes with the Democrats on the "big issues" but has a proclivity for selling out to big business on low profile votes where he thinks he can get away with it.

If someone could show me some evidence that conservatives were prepared to accept Lieberman's domestic views (see counterevidence) that would be one thing, but nobody seems to have that. Conversely, McCain's liberal fans tend to make the case for their man by arguing that he secretly doesn't hold the views he says he holds. That may be the case but, again, he would need to actually change his views away from fairly standard-issue conservatism before any meeting of the minds could take place.


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The idea is to combine enough potential supporters to make a winning coalition. It's not a surprising development, given that US parties are becoming more ideological-- alliances that cross ideological lines are common in parliamentary democracies, where parties that vehemently disagree on various issues will ally to stop a despised third party from taking power.

What's more, McCain's major domestic unorthodoxies stem from his willingness to sometimes buck big business interests in pursuit of what he sees as a truer, realer conservatism.

No - McCain's major domestic unorthodoxy (to conservatives) is his willingness to repeal the First Amendment.

Most of us conservatives could live with a lot of McCain's antics. But not repeal of the First Amendment.

This little coalition of the mavericks is not going to happen, but I REALLY hope it does.

That's a quick way to send McCain's presidential hopes right out the window. And a McCain presidential run is pretty much the biggest problem the Democrats have in 08 right now.

McCain certainly has no integrity, but he does have enough brains to not team up with Lieberman.

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Judging by their respective voting records, the McLieberman Party would go to a great deal of trouble to reduce the influence of money in politics, but then support the interests of big business anyway. They would praise themselves for their straight talk and moral values, and deliver a great many stern lectures to the American public that amount to nothing. And above all, they would refuse to even consider reducing our troop levels in Iraq.

Oh, and every single reporter and columnist at the Washington Post would vote for them.

Did I miss anything?

Couldn't we do Feingold-Hagel instead?

Seriously, Sully has been fantasizing about this for at least the past two years. I agree with CSCS, a McCain-Lieberman third party ticket would destroy both of them and I hope it happens.

Still, Sully's cheerleading is very weird to me.

Where did the CW that Lieberman is an "orthodox liberal" on domestic issues come from? On most important domestic issues Joe is to the right of most Americans and even a lot of Republicans, especially "FCSL" north-eastern Republicans. Would an orthodox liberal have attacked Michael Schiavo? Are orthodox liberals typically moral scolds? During the 90s Joe was one of the chief advocates for pushing the party to the right on social security and affirmative action. Lieberman has a long history of doing what's best for Lieberman but the media seem content to pretend that he's a regular Democrat domestically. Show me some real evidence that any of that is true. I thought Reason magazine had a nice summary of Joe's career - http://www.reason.com/hod/tc080906.shtml

I have trouble seeing what exactly Lieberman would bring to the ticket. How many people are there who are big Joe Lieberman fans who are not already disposed to support McCain? I would think McCain will be looking for someone with more Southern appeal to reassure cultural conservatives.

what would a mclieberman party be about? why the egos of john mccain and joe lieberman, of course!

"To get a third party off the ground, you would neeed a new high-salience issue that cut across the existing political coalitions and we don't have that."

I'd say that illegal immigration comes close to being such an issue, (Republicans pretend to be on a different side of it from Democrats, but the pretense has worn awfully thin.) but it's not an issue McCain and Lieberman are positioned to claim.

Lieberman will put all of this rumor mongering to rest, by running in Connecticut as the Republican candidate for the Senate.  I think that was what Tony what's his name was choking about today at the press gaggle. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

Maybe the talk is a beltway phenomena, including a tribute to the power of conservatives like David Brooks to define the talking points there. After all, Lieberman's last couple of campaigns haven't exactly shown his value to a ticket. What we think of his convictions or his rep for moderation quite aside, he just doesn't seem that incredible as a new paradigm of electability. Party shifts in the past have taken figures like Jackson and Lincoln. 

John 

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