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What Israel Means to Me

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Israel is for me, among many other things, a nation for whose existence I have risked my life several times (I served in the Palmach, or the Israeli Commandos, both before and during the Israeli War of Independence). It is a country that provides a home to my family, who experienced the Nazis firsthand. It is a place in which my son, daughter-in-law, four grandchildren, and quite a few other relatives live. It is a nation that often makes me proud and whose government policies sometimes trouble me, but a hell of a lot less than many other governments, near and far, especially in the Middle East.

I pay special mind here about Israel as the only democracy in the Middle East. Neocons often dream about turning the Middle East (and the rest of the world) into "shining, prosperous democracies." When this rarely works, they tend to define down what democracy entails, referring to nations that hold elections but sharply limit the freedom of the press, competition among political parties, and the reign of the parliament "democracy." The fact that the climate in the Middle East is not too hot, the soil not alien, the people able to form a true democracy, is highlighted only by one nation: Israel.

Critics are quick to point out that the Israeli democracy is not without blemishes. And they find some real, and often imagined, violations of human rights. In the process they measure Israel by some ideal model that exists only in the back of their mind and disregard that all democracies; especially those long besieged, have imperfections of their own. We would live in a much better and safer place if more nations of the world, and especially in the region, were half as democratic as Israel is, and half as attentive to human rights as it is. None of this should be read as condoning those violations of human rights that do occur, corruption, or any other defect. I merely suggest that fair-minded people best put these matters into a fair perspective.

I am stunned at the blind hatred Israel evokes, not only by the same dark forces that mean to do in all of Western civilization, the United States first, but by the numerous Europeans, and those on the American left, including some Jews who draw on their academic credentials (e.g., in linguistics) to write tirades about their own in such extreme terms it makes the paper blush' and their ancestors turn in their graves like cement mixers. For them, Israel is often the disappointment that they previously found in the USSR, Yugoslavia, Sweden, and Cuba, all the nations that at one point or another were supposed to be their dream ticket, and then disappointed by being merely human.

I do not believe that criticizing the Sharon government's policies is anti-Semitic per se; if it is, most Israelis would have to be considered anti-Semites. I regret when Israel is treated as co-equivalent with the policies of its current government (which, by the way, are by no means all off the mark). Nor can I ignore that many of those who are most vociferous in their denouncement of "Israel" are also anti-Semites, a despicable lot.

What is often lost sight of under the incessant anti-Israeli barrages is that most Israelis would give their right arm and then some to have a real peace with their neighboring countries, to play a key role in promoting mutually beneficial economic ties by sharing the technical knowledge and higher education that make for high-tech economics and expected trade, and to work with progressive groups to advance democratic and human rights in the region and elsewhere. Sadly, these opportunities are missed, even by the nations that have a peace treaty with Israel.

Israel has sent literally hundreds of delegations of physicians, nurses, scientists, educators, agricultural experts, and members of many other professions and occupations to Egypt to try to build bridges and mutually beneficial arrangements. Practically all of these gestures of goodwill have been spurned by the Egyptians and they almost never reciprocate by sending their people to visit Israel. Similarly, tourism has been almost completely monodirectional, with Israelis streaming to Egypt and very few traveling the other way. This is a very cold and sad peace.

There are those who believe that if the United States would lean on Israel and resolve the conflict with the Palestinians, the enemies of the West would be appeased. Others, who favor "leaning" on Israel for their own reasons or political agendas, use this argument to demand that the United States force Israel to make concessions, even if those will endanger its survival and even if major Palestinian leaders openly state (to their credit) that they are happy to take half a loaf through negotiations-but then will go after the other half (whatever remains of Israel) with the same violent means as before.

I care a lot about resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I believe, in the Jewish tradition, that if one saves a single soul, it is as if he has saved a whole world. And I hate; to see innocent people on both sides killed. Above all, I would give a great deal to see my children and grandchildren live in peace. However, it is a dangerous delusion to believe that the fundamentalist Muslims will cease to believe-correctly, by the way-that the West is undermining all that is dear to them: treating women as third-class citizens; severely punishing people for minor transgressions; dealing with all nonbelievers as if they were dog meat; putting their rigid interpretation of Islam above any decisions arrived by elected representatives; and using the sword to impose their worldview on others. Undermining Israel's existence-and all that it means to me and many millions of others-will not buy peace from the terrorists. All it will do is add untold anguish to people whose history of suffering is already quite overextended, and to my personal suffering.

This article was recently published in WHAT ISRAEL MEANS TO ME. This material is used by permission of John Wiley & Sons, Inc. To purchase a full copy of "What Israel Means to Me", editing by Alan Dershowitz, please go to www.Wiley.com.


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Thank you for this article.

I have sought for years to understand "the blind hatred Israel evokes." I think you put your finger on a good deal of it.

Another piece may be simple cowardice on the part of some in the West. If only Israel wouldn't call attention to itself, the attitude goes, if only it sought peace at any price, life would be so much easier for us in Europe or, for some, North America. The Arabs are many, they have oil, and some of them are willing to kill westerners. The Israelis present none of these threats.

I will be honest. The vast majority of any animosity I have toward Israel is the result of home-grown craven American politicians. It drives me near to tears that it is IMPOSSIBLE to criticize Israel about ANYTHING or do ANYTHING but support them whole-heartedly no MATTER WHAT they do or be condemned to the political wilderness.

Why, how, does this tiny nation exert so much influence on my country? It is not right, it is not fair and it makes me feel utterly helpless--and that feeling has led to animosity and anger in many more peoples than myself.

Including the Palestinians.

Do I always criticize Israel? Of course not, but unfortunately because Israel is a democracy it is incumbent upon them to make the concenssions to be the bigger person, to behave with honor though their enemies had none. They have to "act like the good guys" even when it's detrimental to their policy. The United States should do this to and it is a major failiure among millions of the Bush Administration.

It is not fair and it is not right, but it is necessary. Which is perhaps my answer, though I did not see Israel's destruction imminent in the time before their assault on Lebannon. Which is why I feel no shame in criticizing Israel now--because regardless of your personal feeling towards them what they have done in Lebannon has done nothing to advance their interests or their safety. With every day it goes on, the situation becomes worse for them.

It is completely fair and accurate to make comments such as "Israel is better than its neighbors, and the region would be a lot better, safer, happer, and more productive if its neighbors were even half as committed to law, justice and democracy as Israel." But I think that misses a fundamental issue - Israel is not, and does not want to be, like its neighbors. Israel asserts itself as a progressive, Western democracy - and that's the standard by which it can reasonably be judged. Of course, Olmert stands head and shoulders (and then some) above Hafez al-Assad, as did Sharon. But who wants to be measured by that standard?

You say, "What is often lost sight of under the incessant anti-Israeli barrages is that most Israelis would give their right arm and then some to have a real peace with their neighboring countries". The easy retort is, why then won't it give back the land of its neighbors in return for peace? It returned the Sinai to Egypt - peace, cold though it may be. It resolved its border disputes with Joran - more cold peace. It wishes to annex East Jerusalem and huge portions of the West Bank from the Palestinians as part of any peace deal - no peace. It does not wish to return the Golan Heights or Shebaa Farms to Syria - no peace. The price for this lack of peace isn't the allegorical loss of limbs and then some - the price is paid in actual flesh and bone, Israeli and Arab.

I don't wish to suggest that if only Israel gave up its claims on occupied lands peace would break out all over - the reality is much more complicated. And any peace that could be achieved would likely remain icy cold well into the future. But let's not ignore the reality that such a peace proposal by an Israeli Prime Minister - even if it involved retaining all of metropolitan East Jerusalem as Israeli territory, simply ceding any claim to the remainder of the West Bank - would almost certainly result in the collapse of his government, and would have absolutely no chance of being approved by the Knesset.

For the record, given your statements on Israel as the region's only democracy, do you believe that Turkey is in the Middle East? Its location sometimes seems to magically shift from Europe to the Middle East and back again, depending upon whether it is convenient to the argument being made.

I would say that dislike of Israel is probably due to two things-- virulent anti-Semitism and legitimate arguments against its founding.

There is no doubt that there is a lot of virulent anti-Semitism out there. The Mel Gibsons out there who have issues with "the Jews" obviously find the world's only Jewish State to be a convenient outlet for those prejudices.

The problem, though, is that is not the whole story. As much as Israel is a symbol of democracy in the Middle East and a homeland for an oppressed people whom Hitler came way too close to killing off, it is also a nation that was born in a state of Original Sin. There were people living in Palestine, they were Arabs, and they did not give their consent to the international community plopping a Jewish state down on their land. So, they fled and they fought. And they fought some more. And each time they fought, they came out with an even worse outcome than they had before, with Israel now occupying more formerly Arab territories, building Jewish colonies within them, and annexing Jerusalem.

I realize there is a competing, more pro-Israel, narrative to these events. And I certainly do not see how, in the wake of the Holocaust, the international community could have done anything other than what it did do. Indeed, the continuing virulence of anti-Semitism makes it entirely clear that there needs to be a Jewish state that can serve as a refuge and a homeland for those who continue to be persecuted elsewhere.

But the fact remains, the "blind hatred of Israel" isn't solely a result of anti-Semitism; it is also the result of the process in which a state was dropped onto a particular piece of particularly desirable real estate, without the consent of the occupants of that land. Some people will never see past that, because there will always be Palestinian families who cannot retrieve what was lost in 1948.

  I regret when Israel is treated as co-equivalent with the policies of its current government (which, by the way, are by no means all off the mark). Nor can I ignore that many of those who are most vociferous in their denouncement of "Israel" are also anti-Semites, a despicable lot.

Hmmm, aren't all countries identified with their governments policies?  America certainly is. Our support Israel causes hatred of America and 'westernization'...so why should it be any different for Israel? Is it despicable when America is vociferously denounced by Korea, China and Russia?

I believe, in the Jewish tradition, that if one saves a single soul, it is as if he has saved a whole world. And I hate; to see innocent people on both sides killed.

 

If you truly belive this...Why cannot all the Israeli's who want peace and to live in security with their families simply emigrate to America, where they can do precisely that.

That would be a nice way for Israel to repay her debt to America in terms of the billions of dollars in foreign aid as well as the countless American lives lost since WWII and almost 6 decades of support for what clearly has not been in America's interest. When does America's untold suffering in support of Israel come to an end?

How does Israel repay America for that tremendous debt?

Start now. Emigrate to America and leave the ME ...live in America in peace and prosperity.

I happen to believe the animosity comes from the all too human willingness to sometimes fall into hate.

The anti-Israel people I've met in person and online tend to be of two differentn camps, leftist fundamentalists, and Islamacists.. who are fundamentalists of a different stripe. Neither group seem willing to deal with the matter at hand, both place all the blame on Israel, and nothing can get them to actually converse fairly on what is going on in the Middle East. Talking to them is like talking to a child who wants to get away with something by placing the blame on someone else.

I've long believed that both sides share culpability, and both need to resolve the problem. For example, the returning of some contested land, as has happened already, and the Palestinians addressing things like the part of their constitution that calls for the destruction of Israel.

I took a sociology class a few years back that dealt with Minority/Majority group relations. The teacher, a Palestinian adjunct professor, far from teaching the class spent the majority of class time propagandizing against the Israeli state, saying that the Israeli people didn't have a right to the land because they were "too white". When a student asked her about the Palestinian constitution, the professor slammed her hand down on the podium and screamed that it was Palestinian land and they had every right to eradicate the state of Israel. She was extremely indoctrinated in hate.

I've always felt that Turkey is European myself, though I'm not sure what the author would make of it.

Amatai - I am an American Jew with a sister, nieces, nephews and cousins scattered all accross Israel from Ariel to Tel Aviv. I have been to Israel at least 35 times since 1966. What I NEVER understood is what possessed us to do such a stupid thing as building settlements all over the occupied territories. I had many Palestinian aquaintences over the years and realized Israel was driving a stake through their hearts with the settlements, almost worse than death.

The attitude amoung my relatives and friends in Israel was screw them, we don't care. It still is. This is not the Judaism I was raised to believe. Defense yes, but deliberate callous inhumane ugly behavior towards Arabs is something I saw FAR, FAR,FAR too much of. My IDF nephew, raised in Ariel, would regal us during the Holidays with his tales dehumanizing behavior towards the West Bank Palestinians.

I am having trouble supporting Israel, even though I believe in a Jewish homeland in Israel. I believe that the lack of Israel making a SERIOUS effort (that means sitting at a negotiating table for 30 years if that's what it takes)at peace is causing hatred to build up amoung us to the point where I'm not sure that G-d can recognize us as His people anymore. I fear not for Israel's survival as a Jewish country, but I do fear that keeping that country will cause us to lose our Jewishness and our souls.

The blind hatred you talk about is absolutely equal on both sides. We're just a bit more clever is how we manifest it than the Arabs are. I have NEVER met an Israeli who in his or her heart believes that one Arab is equal to one Jew is G-d's eye. Israel's treatment of Israeli Palestinians is as bad or worse than America's Jim Crow days.

Go to the West Bank some day and watch how the IDF treats Palestinians - if you have a soul - it will make you SICK. Do I hold Israel to a higher standard? Your damn right I do - these are my people and this is my faith. In raising my own 2 sons they would contantly tell me my rules were too harsh because look what Johnny or Jimmy's family lets him do. I told them the same thing I tell the Israeli's - I don't care what other countries or families do, we have standards to uphold and WE SHALL DO IT THE RIGHT WAY!

"I pay special mind here about Israel as the only democracy in the Middle East."
Well, Lebanon was on its way to becoming the second one....but....well...
I think it's great you love your country so much and certainly Israel's best interests should be your first priority.
I, however, am AMERICAN, and so AMERICA's interests are MY first priority. What I want is for my government to PUT AMERICAN INTERESTS FIRST, before the interests of any foreign nation, no matter who they are, including Israel.
The growing perception is that the US Govt puts Israels interests before American interests and that for me is the big beef.
It seems we've been lead to believe that what is in Israels best interest is always in the best interest of America and this is simply not so. I want my government to understand the difference between the two when it does occur. When a friend does something that I consider morally wrong I do not go along with it. I set my boundaries. The US government needs to set boundaries here. That's what I want.
PS Mel Gibson's remarks, like those of any bigot, are deplorable...any sane person can see that.

"in the Jewish tradition, that if one saves a single soul, it is as if he has saved a whole world."
I have heard Muslims saying EXACTLY the same thing about their beliefs.
Ironic, no???
They both believe they shouldn't kill, but still they both continue killing.
How about a little forgiveness?

Amitai,

I agree with everything you say, but I do not approve of the way the Israeli government responded to Hezbollah's raid into Israel that resulted in Israeli military deaths and the kidnapping of the two soldiers. I feel it is counterproductive.

Tom

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

While I am extremely troubled by the elements of the American and European Left whose sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians has crossed the line into outright anti-semitism, I'm growing to be very tired of seeing these sorts of comments:

I am stunned at the blind hatred Israel evokes, not only by the same dark forces that mean to do in all of Western civilization, the United States first, but by the numerous Europeans, and those on the American left...
Let's keep in mind that much of the anti-semitism in America and Europe does not come from the Left.

It might also be well and good for Jewish supporters of Israel to keep in mind that many of Israel's cheerleaders on the American Right do not have the best interests of Jewish people at heart.

I point this out not to excuse those on the Left who engage in "blind hatred" of Israel, but to challenge the conventional narrative among many Jews that those who criticize Israel's actions are enemies and those who support Israel's actions are friends.

There's a crucial difference between a "friend" and an "enabler." Sometimes, as Matt Yglesias pointed out recently, your best friend is the person who tells you when you're making a mistake.

Traditionally, U.S. support of Israel has had a sort of two-pronged justification. The stated reason, the one which politicians cite in speeches and the one which Israel accepts with pride, is that this Jewish nation is the beacon of Democratic hope in a sea of corrupt Theocracies.

The second reason, from an American perspective, is that it ensures access to Middle Eastern oil in case of some unforseen disaster which could put Western supply in jeopardy.

The difference now, however, is that President Bush has seemingly created a third prong to the relationship; one which POTENTIALLY benefits only the United States and does more harm than good for Israel.

The Iraq War, and the subsequent military stagnation there, has caused the Americn president to use Israel, a sort of Ace in the Hole, to serve as a deflection for the situation in Iraq and as a means of continuing his discourse of fear with the American public.

From a media standpoint the strategy has worked. 70 were killed today in Iraq and it barely makes headlines even in the most anti-Bush publications (CNN, New York Times, etc). Yet it has done nothing to actually IMPROVE the situation in Iraq.

What the Israeli war does, with U.S. implication, is create once again the sense at home that anyone not supporting Israel is "weak on defense." It is an election year ruse, perhaps the final notable act of this unpopular president who will find himself in Lame Duck status in three short (or long) months.

Bush's contingency plan, it seems, is the ability to broker a peace deal at any time. Indeed, international outrage at the United States is fueled more so by this fact than its persisently controversial support of Israel.

Bush can do three things with the current situation in Lebanon.

1)Use the war as a means of once again employing his Bush Doctrine theme in an election year: you are either with the effort or you are an enemy (in this domestic case substitute "enemy" for "weak on defense").

2)When the time is deemed opportune by the administration a peace deal can and will be brokered thus painting the President Bush in a glowing light. This will be used by Rove and others as a means of demonstrating that Bush is indeed the peace-loving man he claimed to be in 2000.

3)It will take the attention away from the one thing that will certainly hurt the GOP in November: Iraq.

A sound if not deplorable strategy from a president that knows his party could (and probably should) be dealt serious blows in November.

Let's keep in mind that much of the anti-semitism in America and Europe does not come from the Left.

hmmmm.

First, I agree; historically, it did not come from the left. (Unless you consider Stalin "the left;" also I note you limit your statement to America & Europe.)

But I also want to mention what I see now.

In my experiences traveling the lefty blogosphere in the past (NOT here on TPMCafe), I have seen a certain small segment of "lefty," quite vocal, with proclivities to buy into a "Protocols of Elders of Zion" type thing. It often goes along with lots of interest in Bilderberg conspiracies and the like, and also often goes along with extreme unquestioning adoration of all things Chomsky (The Chomsky angle, with him being Jewish, offering absolution, proof not being anti-semitic in believing too many Jews run the world of finance or whatever.) Also irrational fear and loathing of a plot set by Leo Strauss with his Jewish students long ago at the University of Chicago. It IS a small minority of folks on the "lefty" blogsophere, but I must say that I think it is in greater instance than any anti-semitism you might find on the righty blogosphere. If any righties are anti-semitic, they hide it, often going to irrational extremes in support of Israel, Israel right or wrong. I can't imagine seeing many veiled intimations of grand Jewish cabals running the world on most current righty sites.

artappraiser,

If any righties are anti-semitic, they hide it, often going to irrational extremes in support of Israel, Israel right or wrong....

And "pro-Israel" for the wrong reasons.  All across the political spectrum there are many who reduce Jewish identity solely to its religious component, and at the expense of its cultural, political and national components (ie, at the expense of its core humanity).  To these people Israel is Israel because the Bible says so, and the history is an inconvenience at best.

On the right, "supporters" of Israel will passionately oppose any peace process that relinquishes any part of "Biblical Israel," even to the point of subverting the will of the Israeli electorate.  I put it to everyone here that those people cannot ever be Zionists in the truest sense of the term, since Zionism was and remains the movement for Jewish national self-determination.  Meanwhile, on the left, we often hear that the Bible is not a land deed.  Fair enough.  But there is simply no other spot on the planet to which the Jewish people is native but what we know today as Israel.  Every other place, country or region, Jews have been first and foremost alien.

Of course, none of this will begin to make any sense until even us Jews break the habit of limiting our identity strictly to its relgious component; and broadly accept that we contain all the elements of a legitimate polity -- a language of our own, a culture of our own, a shared history marked by a calendar of our own -- as well as, but not necessarily in spite of, certain dynamic religious traditions.  And to the extent that any of these national components may be rooted in it is by now beside the point.  Further, Arab peoples are not the only peoples native to the Middle East region, and it's time to accept it.

2)When the time is deemed opportune by the administration a peace deal can and will be brokered thus painting the President Bush in a glowing light. This will be used by Rove and others as a means of demonstrating that Bush is indeed the peace-loving man he claimed to be in 2000.

Sounds like a good idea to me!

Presumably Democrats will oppose a peace deal to prove that they are indeed not the peace-lovers they claim to be?

I agree with a substantial portion of this. It is certainly true that there is some very open and nasty anti-semitism on the Left. Following discussions about the Israel/Palestinian conflict at sites like indymedia can be a real eye-opener. If one limits the comparison to the blogosphere, I think your characterization holds pretty well.

With very rare exceptions, though, the anti-semitism I've seen on the Left is political in nature, and it is explicitly grounded in post-1948 (or post-1967) opposition to Israel and the Israel lobby. Anti-semitism that takes the form of religious and/or racially-motivated paranoia about Jews still seems to lurk primarily on the Right, as Mel Gibson recently was kind enough to remind us. If you follow the links I put into my previous post, I pointed to the persistent problem of neo-Nazism in Europe and the neverending problem of discrimination against all non-Christians in rural public schools. The money quote from a PTA member in Georgetown, Delaware was particularly enlightening:

"If you want people to stop calling him 'Jew boy,' you tell him to give his heart to Jesus."
There is a large swath of the Christian Right whose die-hard support for Israel is predicated on their belief that God has a plan for Israel, and this plan culminates in the end of Judaism. Speaking as one who lived until recently in the midwest, I assure you that this is not an isolated or exaggerated phenomenon. These are not the type of "friends" whom American Jews really want to have watching their backs.

None of this bigotry is really "hidden," so much as it generally remains outside the spotlight, so long as European countries continue to censor their neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, and so long as the main issue at hand is Israel's prerogative to wage war against its neighbors (as opposed to the right of the Jewish people to pay taxes to their local school board without seeing those funds used to discriminate against the Jewish faith.)

My intent in responding was not to defend Chomsky and his followers, whom I strongly oppose, but to challenge the recent mainstream respectability of the talking point that the American Right is a far better friend to American Jews than the liberals whose opposition to Israel's military policies has increasingly been conflated with anti-semitism or Jewish self-loathing. See, for example, this, or pretty much anything Mona Charen has ever written. The Jewish people have many more hardened and dedicated enemies, but it would be a tragic mistake for Jews to conclude that everyone who speaks on behalf of Israel is their friend.

This column is a breath of fresh air coming from this site.

The problem is that the blogosphere, much as we love it, is not representative of American political and cultural opinion. I don't mean to excuse anti-Semitism on the left when I say that there is even more on the right, but you won't find it in righty blogs as much as in suburban high schools, evangelical churches, PTA meetings, the sidelines of the soccer field. Furthermore, whatever hatred of jews you find there you will find an equal or greater hatred of arabs.

I found Mr. Etzioni's statement to be overwhelmingly positive and I am very glad to read it here. The part that bothered me, however, was this:
"However, it is a dangerous delusion to believe that the fundamentalist Muslims will cease to believe-correctly, by the way-that the West is undermining all that is dear to them: treating women as third-class citizens; severely punishing people for minor transgressions; dealing with all nonbelievers as if they were dog meat; putting their rigid interpretation of Islam above any decisions arrived by elected representatives; and using the sword to impose their worldview on others."

I know he is talking specifically about fundamentalists, but he holds that vision of the arab world up against the vision of individual Israelis as those who "would give their right arm and then some to have a real peace with their neighboring countries, to play a key role in promoting mutually beneficial economic ties by sharing the technical knowledge and higher education that make for high-tech economics and expected trade, and to work with progressive groups to advance democratic and human rights in the region and elsewhere." Is it really that black and white? I think even Mr. Etzioni is unable to see the world as clearly through others' eyes.

In her reply, Zionista refers to two different components of jewish identity, one which is religious and one which is cultural. I would hazard a guess that it is the religious component which serves as the focal point of the hatred -- I think many in the arab world are unable to see Israel as anything other than a theocracy akin to so many Islamic states. But to the extent that lefties share the arabs' position on Israel, it stems from sympathy for the Palestinians' plight, and a prediliction for supporting the underdog against a regional military superpower armed by the US. Neither source of anti-Semitism is excusable, but it's still important to understand the difference.

I'm not sure about the blogosphere, as I don't follow its fringes. I am sure, though, that historically there have been a litany of statements ranging from overt anti-Semitism to astonishing stereotyping of Jews by the leaders on the religious right. Their messages are now coded differently, but remain the same.

We used to hear about Jewish conspiracies, Jewish control of the economy, Jewish control of Hollywood,etc. Now the religious right seems coontent to divide the world into two types of Jew. There's the good, religious type who supports Israel, wishes to move there, and will either convert to Christianity or perish in the "sea of fire" when the Rapture occurs. And then there's the secular type who is still said to do such things as control Hollywood. (Although, William Donohue-style, they may later profess regret at using the word "control.")

The fact that Mr. Etzioni contributes to a volume edited by Prof. Derschowitz indicates that he supports or condones theories of the professor, to wit, how to ethicaly and lawfully torture captive persons, and how to massacre civilians with clear conciousness.

Egyptians, unlike Palestinians, are not subjected to the innumerable petty inconveniences and humiliations, receive visits of tourists and experts, and yet do not reciprocate with friendship. Verily, they hate Israel for its freedom.

When I read Derschowitz and Etzioni, I am getting impression that the essence of Israel is to let Jews free themselves from the narrow confinces of universal ethics and enjoy the satisfactions of the tribal perspective. When Chechen terrorist action against a theatre in Moscow lead to hundreds of fatalities, Jerusalem Post had a commentary "Israel is Number One!", in which the author was exultant how much better Israeli security is than Russian. The unseemly glee was truly revolting. Apparently, seeing non-Israeli victims of terrorism leads only to satisfactory feeling "that's not us".

In the same vein, Holocaust deniers can be feted as good friends of Israel -- if they deny Armenian Holocaust.

This tribal vision is truly liberating and reduces the number of worries and scruples.

Luckily, I know many Israelis, so I know that generalizing this impression is wrong. But it is there.

By the way, Lebanon is also a democracy.

If I was Israeli, I would be furious with the Israeli government for their stupidity and ineptitude, both diplomatically and militarily. What genius thought that a massive display of airpower against civilian targets would drive Lebanese away from Hezbollah. Furthermore, in the larger sphere of global political support, I would say Israel has been played for chumps by Hezbollah. "My country, right or wrong," is perhaps understandable when you're under siege, but it would be nice if your side wasn't The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight.

I would say Israel currently enjoys a great deal of popular support in this country. People of pro-Israel sentiment should learn to be more tolerant of honest criticism of Israeli conduct, rather than lumping it all in with the Mel Gibson end of the political spectrum. Keeping the lid on a boiling pot can lead to nasty accidents.

I would like to also add that my wife knows someone who was evacuated from Lebanon, a Lebanese-American. She is very upset at what she witnessed recently of the destruction of her country, yet here in the US she is afraid to speak openly of it.

break the habit of limiting our identity strictly to its relgious component; and broadly accept that we contain all the elements of a legitimate polity -- a language of our own, a culture of our own, a shared history marked by a calendar of our own -- as well as, but not necessarily in spite of, certain dynamic religious traditions.
Language? Latin. Check. Calendar? Gregorian. Check. Culture? Will the Renaissance do? Check.
But how do we all fit into Vatican City? Wrong polity? OK. How about generic Asian appreciation of the Showa dynasty? Right of return of burakumin? Well, we showed them! Got them to modify the Potsdam Declaration so our polity stayed intact. The question begins to arise as to the value to humanity of separating itself into politis. -- Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

I wonder what your definition of anti-Semitism is -- because I'm pretty sure the lefties you're talking about are strongly against Israel, but don't actually care about Jews one way or the other. Keep in mind that more Jews live in the US than in Israel, and a true anti-Semite speaks against American Jews as much as against Israeli Jews.

In other words, I'm pretty sure you, along with many other people, are conflating anti-Semitism with something else, let's call it anti-Israelism (ala anti-Americanism), and this confusion is not helpful.

Perhaps I just have too much imagination but "I certainly do not see how, in the wake of the Holocaust, the international community could have done anything other than what it did do." The world recognized that they had very badly failed in their duty to mankind, and to Jews in particular, by allowing the holocaust to go on. The world needed to make amends, so they gave someone else's land to the Jews. What they should have done is give an unlimited immigration quota to Jews to come to the land they did possess, our country, for example. That could have resulted in a state, such as Nebraska, for example, being heavily settled by Jewish immigrants, and Nebraska would have been their homeland instead of Israel.

This would have separated Jews from some of their most cherished religious sites, a bad thing, but remember that most of the world's Moslems are separated from Mecca, and they do just fine.

Hoppy in Sacramento

As best I can determine, it is still an open question whether the Israeli soldiers who were captured were involved in a raid into Lebanon or in a response to a raid into Israel.  One thing is certain, the Israeli government will never acknowledge it if the former were the truth.

Hoppy in Sacramento

 Are people actually thinking that Mel Gibson is a lefty?  Mel Gibson is as far right as you can get, and a certifiable member of the religious right.  I'm totally at a loss to understand the belief that liberals are the group that is anti-semitic.  Liberals, as a group, as far as I can see, want Israel and Jews treated as well as Palestine and Moslems.  They want to see equal treatment for the world's people without regard for their religion.  They will criticize America when our country is on the wrong path and they will criticize Israel when it is on the wrong path.  But, they also criticize Moslem countries for the same reasons.

Recognizing just how counter productive the current Israel military adventure is is hardly anti-semitic or even anti-Israel.  It is based on reality. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

Dear Amitai,

Bearing in mind that if  jdledell made her points from authentic experience, it should modify the outlook on Israel's tactical decisions that antagonize Palestinians and Arabs.

However, there is the foundational strategy of Israel the State which I can understand: to survive in a world that has seen eruptions of hatred for the Jews such that self-defense via enforced nation-state formation is not unreasonable at all.

How such a state and its security is maintained is a constant area in need of improvement for not only Israel, but every other country with border concerns, traditional enemies in history and enemies very angry at them today.

When I consider that Israel receives more US federal aid than a number of US States, I understand this in the context of its seige-status and its survival interest.

I have wondered about the solution to the enmity between Israel and the Arab world for some time.   And my ignorance of history on this count may show, but here is my hope.  I hope that in history there is some era, period, government, arrangement and/or anomalous event during which Jews and Arab Muslims in the Holy Land and surrounding areas, were at peace and might actually have assisted each other.  It occured to me that most of what we remember is the general historic enmity between the Jews and Palestinians / Arabs/ Muslims, and not the peaceful times in history among them.

Can anyone cite such a time period of peace between the Jews, Arabs and Muslims?  What were its features, which were most instrumental in the peace, and so on. 

 

We would live in a much better and safer place if more nations of the world, and especially in the region, were half as democratic as Israel is

For a century after the civil war the US South democratically suppressed-and lynched- Blacks. And the Northern Ireland Prods oppressed Catholics for 3 centures. How about the succession in post colonial Africa of "one man , one vote, one time"regimes. And BTW how did Hitler happen to become Chancellor ? .,And , and . Add your own examples.

Democracy results in the will of the majority being implemented . Which can be noble or horrible. Would a democratic Egypt warm up the cold peace ?

As a well wisher of Isreal's I thank God every day for the undemocratic regimes in Egypt and Jordan .

Democracy is a possible means to a goal , not a goal in itself.

 

 

Democracy isn't even a goal for the Bush administration.  Don't ever forget that this administration always gives a name to their activities that disguises the true intent of the activity.  Examples abound - Save the Forests, No Child Left Behind, Save Social Security, etc.   So, when the Bush administration talks about wanting democracy in the Middle East you can be absolutely sure that democracy is not what they want there.  In fact, what they want there is weak governments dependent on US corporations, which will allow US Corporations easy access to their oil at a minimum price.  Democracy is ok if they can make sure it results in such a government. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

Dear Sir, Forgive me if this type of “framing” and rhetoric makes me recoil with both Fear and Loathing.

“Neocons often dream about turning the Middle East (and the rest of the world) into "shining, prosperous democracies."”

Believe me when I say, this is not what most critics of Neocon’s fear most about their movement. Personally they terrify me because they are ideologues that are more closely aligned to the likes of Arial Sharon than they are to US National Security, and they’ve gained traction by using this ridiculous “Democracy Building” rhetoric to start an ever expanding war in the Middle East.

“Critics are quick to point out that the Israeli democracy is not without blemishes. And they find some real, and often imagined, violations of human rights.”

Israeli Human Rights Violations… Blemishes… Dozens if children dead in the past week. To the intellectually rigorous, this might seem a little disingenuous.

“I am stunned at the blind hatred Israel evokes, not only by the same dark forces that mean to do in all of Western civilization, the United States first, …”

Do you mean Al Qaeda? Or do you mean the entire Muslim world and every enemy of Israel? I ask this because it almost seems like you’re trying to make the entire Muslim World a Dire Threat to America with this silly turn of phrase.

“Israel has sent literally hundreds of delegations of physicians, nurses, scientists, educators, agricultural experts, and members of many other professions and occupations to Egypt to try to build bridges and mutually beneficial arrangements.”

Israel is good. Stay tuned... Because in the next paragraph…

“However, it is a dangerous delusion to believe that the fundamentalist Muslims will cease to believe-correctly, by the way-that the West is undermining all that is dear to them: treating women as third-class citizens; severely punishing people for minor transgressions; dealing with all nonbelievers as if they were dog meat; putting their rigid interpretation of Islam above any decisions arrived by elected representatives; and using the sword to impose their worldview on others.”

Rag heads are bad…

Sir, I can relate to your sentiments regarding Israel, for personal and familial reasons, but this sort of “Editorial” sends shivers down my spine.

Framing this conflict with the four chambers of your heart is totally dishonest in any useable political sense. Especially when it’s packaged in a pseudo fair minded Xenophobia.

Bulldozing Israel’s atrocities underground, while hyping all that is wrong with the Muslim world in some non specific Muslim threat that wants to destroy the civilization starting with the United States is not exactly, well how shall I say it. The truth???

Perhaps that’s why Europe has a different opinion about the Israeli / Palestinian conflict. Because it’s got more perspective on the conflict than you do.

You who obviously has a dog in this race…

I happen to agree with most of your comments but part company over your attack on Etzioni himself.

your totally dishonest in any useable political sense. Especially when it’s packaged in a pseudo fair minded Xenophobia attack ........

makes some charges; "dishonest" ,"psudo fair minded" which aren't necessary conclusions from Etzioni's article.. It seems just as likely to me