Question of the Day: After Castro?
As you've seen in the news reports, Fidel Castro has turned over his powers to his brother and successor, Raul Castro, in order to undergo an intestinal surgery of some unspecified sort. Whatever the outcome of this surgery, at almost 80 years of age, the post-Castro era can't be too far in the future. What comes next?
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Raul is Castro without the charisma. Big changes will only come after Raul. I think in the short term we will see some serious saber rattling by the Miami exiles with the Bush clan in full throated support, but it will be all talk and no action. Back in Havana, I expect Raul to be more repressive initially, because he will be insecure.
Real democracy in Cuba can not come from Washington, Miami or the Castro family, it will come from the Cuban people and it will come peacefully or not at all.
It will be interesting to see what the American right have to say about this. Now that islamofascism and the hezbos are the top menance do they dare advocate an invasion of Cuba? Well, with the exception of Podhoretz, he's always up for it if you know what I mean.
August 1, 2006 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
According to the BBC, Fidel underwent the operation already and the handover of power is only temporary:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5233556.stm
As the article mentions, this guy has a tendency to come back... so until we know for a fact he's gone, rumors of his demise could be greatly exaggerated.
August 1, 2006 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Don't count the old commie out just yet. Fidel has outlasted a lot of his enemies he may live to see a new US administration. And even if he does croak doesn't mean democracy is going to suddenly flower. There may well be plenty of autocrats waiting in line to take his place.
August 1, 2006 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happens next? Well, next a bunch of American "political pundits" (aka "propagandists") write and talk about this event as if it is really any of our business at all what happens next in Cuba. This is what is called "manufacturing of consent." Consent for what? Consent for the use of American power to control Cuba through one avenue or another (all the better to increase profits, my dear....).
These rightwing and CryptoRight/PseudoLeft "political pundits" are part of the overclass's ideology-control ecosystem. Now the question is, which one are you--Rightwing or CryptoRight/PseudoLeft? PseudoLeft, apparently, from all the Democratic Party-oriented propaganda on this site.
My documentary/book in progress is at http://www.leftwingmediamachine.blogspot.com
August 1, 2006 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately, what comes next is, a friend of mine who has (in spite of everything) worshipped Fidel since her teens will throw herself off a tall building. So, between that and "why give Bush something else to crow about that he didn't earn," I'm sort of rooting for him to pull through.
August 1, 2006 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
This sort of question requires donning the tinfoil cap. Which only makes it more fun. :)
Even the slightest hint of a reform movement's emerging in the wake of, well, the wake, will be used as a pretext for the Bush administration to "liberate" Cuba. Perhaps some sort of pretext about instability threatening the US base at Guantanamo Bay?
Ideally, from the point perspetive of the election calendar, this happens right around October . . .
--Ken Riley
August 1, 2006 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iraq gets forgotten (Afghanistan's already forgotten) as military forces are shifted to the Carib. An immense foreign policy screw-up follows, but this time it's 90 miles away instead of 12 time zones.
Actually, the assymetrical activity is as intense in Miami as in Havana.
August 1, 2006 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Opportunity of a lifetime!!!
Let's invade while he's under the knife.
Just think of it like the appendicitis pangs of Democracy.
August 1, 2006 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
"What comes after Castro?"
Castrp, no?
August 1, 2006 12:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, the U. S. knows so little about Castro, his government and even his immediate family, that I think it's a stretch to think that Cuba will see democracy in the ten years that follow the eventual death of Fidel Castro.
If we were to compare Cuba and the Soviet Union, I'd say that Castro is Leonid Breshnev, Raul is Yuri Andropov, an as-yet-unknown party apparatchik (a Chernenko) comes next, and THEN we get the equivalent of a Gorbachev in Cuba that opens it to the world at large and turns it into a democracy. By this conservative timeline, we wait about 15 to 20 years after the death of Fidel until Havana gets the Studebakers off the streets once and for all.
August 1, 2006 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
What comes next is an escalation of the Guerra Fria between Venezuela and the US. There will be pressure in the US to invade, or even take other steps to "liberate" Cuba, while Hugo Chavez will increase aid and support of the replacement Cuban government. We'll get nasty about that and there will be tension.
This will only increase Chavez's stature in Latin America, and if Calderon is appointed as the president in Mexico, he will be weakened even further.
August 1, 2006 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
The end of Castro does not ensure liberal democracy, open markets, human rights, or the rule of law; it ensures one thing: that I will die of lung cancer after taking up the habit again. !Vive los Montecristos!
August 1, 2006 12:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's say hypothetically Castro is gone for good (which I am not convinced of...he won't be gone for good until he is dead and buried), I would say it (our policy towards Cuba) would be more of the same unless their political system is changed. Would we be more prone to help that change along seeing Fidel's brother is an unknown quantity? I think so...I think we would take in the lay of the land there politically and support whoever was most likely to be friendly to the US. But the temptation for the person who succeeds Fidel will be to continue to reap the rewards of authoritarian rule.
August 1, 2006 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
How much power do the exiles have, and how long do they retain it? Aren't increasing numbers of their descendants far less embittered or determined to return to Cuba in power? I'm inclined to say that the exiles will run out of power about the time Fidel does from generational dillution alone. And once the voting bloc is gone, or sufficiently dilluted the demands for Cuba (including the repayment of all assets) will be forgotten.
I think what really annoys me most about Cubans, both real Cubans and Miami exiles alike, is that they persist in swallowing the ends of their words. To those of us who speak non-Cuban spanish it is rather maddening.
I apologize in advance to Cuban cafe patrons.
August 1, 2006 1:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just more of the same, a continuation of the same totalitarian communist state the people of Cuba have had under Fidel. If he doesn't manage to hang onto power, judged too weak to take back the reigns, I'll lay odds that someone within the ranks will seize power away from Raul.
August 1, 2006 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Cubans will welcome us as liberators with open arms and sugar canes. Sales of Cuban Cigars will completely finance the reconstruction of Cuba.
The real question is who in the Miami Cuban community is ready to step up and be the business-friendly pro-American authoritarian figurehead we need to lead their country?
August 1, 2006 1:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Odds are nothing will happen. But I would hope that whenever that time comes the then US President and Congressional leaders will take that opportunity to open a dialogue with Raoul or whomever is in charge, to work a deal (buyout) for them to cede power, institute open elections, and provide some sort of restitution to those who lost so much during and in the aftermath of the revolution. But, as we have seen, no dialogue, no progress. Where might this have application as an example today, let's see, Iran, Syria, Hamas...nope can't really think of anything.
August 1, 2006 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I suspect that the local Cubans who have been living in the country, will not be feeling any special need to welcome the exiles back to be their leaders... Or give them confiscated property...
I think it's probably the Ahmad Chalabi situation all over again.
August 1, 2006 1:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
Invade? You and what army?
Seriously... what army? You guys planning on calling up the boy scouts?
August 1, 2006 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may be naive but unless the people of Cuba want a democracy, they won't get it. Even if the Castro family cedes power and elections are held after Castro kicks the bucket they won't have a democracy in anything but name if they simply elect an autocrat to take Castro's place. There's more to Democracy than simply being able to vote.
August 1, 2006 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Or China could also become heavily involved, seeing it is purchasing lots of oil interests in the waters around Cuba.
August 1, 2006 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
The New Yorker has now made available online the article from the July 31 issue (last week's) that previously was only available in print:
In it, Anderson goes over the possible players in good detail, speculates on some possible public reactions, and gives his own impressions.
Highly recommended.
The prescience of the article makes me wonder if someone over there had extra input on Castro's health.
August 1, 2006 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone seems to expect beligerance and stupidity from our government. Fair enough given our receny history and our long term history with Cuba but at least some think that Cuba is ready and at least a little anxious to move into the modern era. I wish that people could realistically expect that our government might do the right thing. I believe the right thing would be for us [our government] to tell Cuba that now [at Castro's death]is the time for them to consider a change to democracy and free markets and that the U.S. is willing to help them make a smooth and peaceful transition and to fully join in the world'e economy but otherwise does not plan to interfere or try to dictate what changes they make. If the power mongers who no doubt exist in Cuba just like in every other country do not have an a credible external threat, to "protect" their people from, but instead a friendly neighbor that they do not fear and who is willing to help them,the people might actually bring about peacefull change.
Cuba could be, and should be, our friend. The time of Castro's death would be the most likely time to let that friendship happen.
August 1, 2006 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Expect a huge economic boom in Cuba when it becomes capitalist and, at least ostensibly, more open. The artificial exclusion of Cuba from American markets, has cost the average Cuban a great deal and kept Fidel's revolution from attaining a much more dynamic, and therefore unacceptable, socialist alternative.
Tourism will flourish and there will be a flood of outsourcing of American jobs. Cuba's well educated and healthy population, willing and able to work for less, will make Cuba seem like eden to American corporations. Once more, the American working class will pay the price for globalization.
It will be interesting to see how Cubans feel about having non-universal health care and education. The right-wing, free market propaganda machine will have a hard time selling that bill of goods.
August 1, 2006 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's possible that the U.S. will lift at least part of its embargo on Cuba once Castro dies. There certainly exists the possibility that it is Castro himself, and his long-standing feud with the United States, which derives U.S. policy to that island.
A taste of trade and real money might indeed make the Cuban people want political reform. It's probable that relations with Cuba will improve drastically, albeit gradually, after the death of Castro.
August 1, 2006 2:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
What comes after Castro is Castro. That is, Fidel handed power temporarily to his brother Raul, and has also designated Raul as his successor (as does the Cuban constitution, since he has the appropriate title). I see no particular signs that this handover won't succeed; as both the designated successor and as the formal head of the armed forces, he seems to be in a good position to consolidate power.
On the other hand, Raul Castro is 75, so he is likely to be a transitional figure; he obviously can't serve for multiple decades like his brother.
One thing I'm fairly confident of, though, is that the Cuban people have no desire to be ruled over by the Miami exiles, as discontented as some might be with life under the Castro brothers.
August 1, 2006 2:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why would a democratic Cuba accept non-universal health care? Health care for all is standard in almost all Western democracies (Canada, Europe, Japan, even Costa Rica), though the details differ from country to country.
Tourism will flourish as soon as the US drops its boycott.
The real battle is going to be over property. The Miami exiles claim to own basically the whole country, pretty much every valuable asset, and they are likely to try to demand compensation that Cuba cannot possibly pay before the boycott is lifted, basically bankrupting and dispossessing everyone who did not flee.
August 1, 2006 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've got a question which I think is going to come out sounding more snarky than I mean it to be. Is there a formal difference between a Cuban Exile and a Cuban Immigrant? The two words, exile and immigrant have such different emotional weights that I'm wondering if they should be used interchangeably as seems to be the case. I say this in the context of hearing a NPR interview with an "exile" in Miami who had never visited Cuba, and if one remembers how long ago the last large wave of migration was, the Mariel Boatlift of 1980, one suspects that the number of "exiles" who have never seen the homeland must be approaching half.
I ask this question because while it is fully understandable for American citizens to maintain an interest in their countries of origin (my family keeps contact with its Swedish roots), there are are cases where that continuing interest may raise issues of confusion. Can one, or should one, recognize that the interests of one's home country and one's new country may intersect, but not be congruent? Under those circumstances can one ever go home again?
I understand there have been splits within the Cuban community in Miami and elsewhere, about how to approach Cuba today, and not just in the post-Castro era. There is an interesting and moving essay by Myra Mendible which outlines some of the conflict between those who favor dialog and those who do not. Those emotions and those conflicts can be grist for the political mills of those who have neither interest in nor affection for Cuban Americans.
I'm concerned that American politicians will manipulate the portion of the electorate with emotional ties to Cuba the same way that politicians manipulated Irish anti-British sentiment in the 1920s and 1930s, when Big Bill Thompson, Mayor of Chicago, threatened to punch King George V in the snoot.
I don't really believe that history repeats itself. One does note, however, that Thompson was (a) a republican (b) ran one of the most corrupt administrations of his era and (c) was a buddy of Jack Abramov Al Capone.
Mike
August 1, 2006 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll bet normal, average Cubans are dancing in the streets now, knowing that they are ever closer to a return to an economy where everything is owned by a small group of the wealthy, where they have no rights, no health care, little education, but do have poorly paid jobs in the service industry attending to the needs of American tourists. How could anyone doubt this?
Give the Cubans a chance at democracy, a chance to elect their leaders, and of course they will pick a Miami exile, a man who may never have been in Cuba, but "owns" half of Havana, to be their new leader. That's just so obvious.
Hoppy in Sacramento
August 1, 2006 4:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
No Hoppy, what they've had since Fidel took over was an economy where everything is owned by wealthy interests like Fidel and his cronies. I remember him having his panties in a bunch when the facts of the wealth he has amassed while oppressing his people in Cuba..
Where they have no rights short of what Fidel thinks they should have, no self determination where they slave away catering to the radical left tourists who travel in, stay in hotels and visit where they are allowed to go so they can continue to delude themselves with the fantasy that communism is some utopia.
It's the reason why those so called beneficiaries of Fidel's Cuba risk their lives in inflatable boats and rafts in shark infested waters to escape their good fortune. They're probably kicking themselves for being so ungrateful, and wishing they had your insight into their lives...
When I lived in Florida, I met a family who lived in Ybor City who had escaped Cuba a few decades ago. They run a small sandal shop. They didn't flee because they were landowners or wealthy overlords. They were in the busines they are in now, makng leather sandals by hand. The Cuban people are subject to brutality, at the hands of those Fidel entrusts power to. It's no fantasy land, and it's something that you're overpampered behind has no concept of. Snap out of it..
August 1, 2006 6:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's next after Bush? Americans should mind their own business, heaven knows we have enough problems here at home.
August 1, 2006 6:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's next? Whatever it is you can bet George Bush, Jeb Bush and any GOP congressman or woman from south Fla who is up for re-election this fall will take credit for it. Even if nothing happens, they'll take credit for it. Heck, this could even be the launching point for Jeb's presidential run in '08.
August 1, 2006 7:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
What happens next is a lot of conservative teeth gnashing when Cuba without Fidel continues on its own way.
The discussions and struggles for power within Cuba are likely to produce more openness. Greater economic engagement between Cuba and the world, particularly the U.S., could also have a corrosive effect on the Cuba's authoritariansim.
The threat of violence, though, is very real. The violence could be initiated by rebels, from a crackdown, or from exiles in the U.S.
For our own sakes, let's just hope Fidel is able to make it through November.
August 2, 2006 9:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
I hear his brother is just as bad as Fidel is maybe there won't be any change.
August 2, 2006 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Isn't it a bit of an American or even a Western conceit to think that all peoples in all parts of the world passionately desire to live under free market and free political systems?
I believe that a free market and a free political system is superior to other forms of economy and government, but does that belief give me a right, an obligation to judge people who do not support my system?
Can I only feel good about my system if everyone else's system is judged to be crap?
I think this is an intellectual/emotional left over from the Cold War and is an obstical for Americans trying to think clearly about the World we live in and how America should interact with other peoples.
The need to assert cultural/political supremacy is a long term weakness. We should simply know that it is true, lead by example, strive to improve ourselves and lend a hand to any nation that wishes to follow our path. Not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy and proclaim our superiority.
August 2, 2006 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink