Wilson sues Rove, Cheney and Libby
As you've probably heard already, Joe Wilson announces tomorrow that he's suing Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby. We've just posted the suit they filed today in our TPM Document Collection.
What do you make it of it? What will come of it? Share your thoughts in the comments section of this post.
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Here are the questions that I have:
Or (perhaps as implied by the mention of "false or misleading testimony") are the Wilsons just going ahead on their own initiative? (Is there a statute of limitations that they needed to worry about?)
July 13, 2006 1:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
I notice that there is mention of "John Does 1 thru 10" as co-defendants. A few questions immediately pop into my head:
1) Who does this include? Most importantly, does it include Novak or any of the other 7 members of the White House Iraq Group?
2) Are they all "Johns", or are there a few "Janes" mixed in with the Johns?
On the whole, I'm really curious as to why Novak seems, at first glance, to get a free pass in the filing. Hopefully, he's one of the Does, but not having his name at the top of the indictment along with Larry, Moe & Curly ("Shemp"?) looks like a huge omission.
July 13, 2006 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Good luck to the Wilsons. I hope the slimeballs they are suing have a massive judgment made against them. I assume jail time for Cheney, Rove, and Libby is not an option, unfortunately.
Tom
July 13, 2006 2:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see problems with it. Legally, it must surely be hard to establish the injuries. It's a broad interpretation of the right to privacy, it could be ridiculed as suggesting that anyone criticized by the administration deserves cash, and one could argue that the publicity actually helps their careers, by giving them fame to cash in on. Politically, it puts the focus on the injuries to these two parties, whereas Americans may be willing, as usual, to sacrifice some individual liberties for the usual reasons.
The good side is that it makes the point that governments shouldn't use their power to punish critics. It also makes the point that an issue for us has been outing CIA agents, not just leaking, which can be an act of conscience. But I'm not convincd it will put those into focus clearly enough or succeed on its merits.
And yes, no question Fitzgerald decided that the law was too hard to enforce, presumably because it requires too much proof of the intention of the leaker. We suspected that when we didn't know enough about who leaked what, even Rove, but did know that the prosecution of Libby was on anothre charge. With all the clarity now about Bushies who did leak, we can see the problem.
So the question becomes: what can be done to make clear that Fitzgerald hasn't resolved the conduct in the Bushies' favor, just not been able to go near the story?
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
July 13, 2006 2:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, other question for everyone. Novak named two sources (but not a third). One hasn't got much publicity, and I didn't really know the name. Is he a Cheney hatchetman?
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
July 13, 2006 2:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is common in legal pleadings. It merely indicates that there may some unknown others that have some legal responsibility for the damages alleged.
The first thing that I noticed was that the Second Count is for violation of the equal protection clause of the 5th Amendment. Now, when we think of equal protection, we usually think of the 14th Amendment. Indeed, that is *the* main thrust of the 14th. What about the 5th? Well, I did a little research, and if I learned this in Constitutional Law I forgot it. It seems that the Courts have imputed equal protection into the 5th when it comes to actions of the Federal Government. For s summary, I cut and paste from Wikipedia:
Interesting, huh?
It is also worth noting that these types of claims - the ones based upon violation of Constitutional rights - can only be brought against state actors, that is, the government and those acting on its behalf. Bob Novak is not a state actor and would not be subject to suit under these claims.
July 13, 2006 2:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
He named Rove and CIA spokesman Bill Harlow. Speculation on the third seems focused on Richard Armitage at State.
Harlow has been quoted publicly as saying that he told Novak not to print. Novak basically said that he didn't think it was a big deal and ignored him.
Novak should never again be quoted or referenced without huge questions being raised as to his judgment. Think the MSM is up to the job?
July 13, 2006 2:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
In all likelihood the Wilsons filed for statute of limitations reasons and the decision to file when they did has nothing to do with the Fitzgerald investigation.
You may recall the original Novak column was published on July 14, 2003, 2 years and 364 days ago. Any tort-based claims, public disclosure of private facts for example, (and possible others) would, I believe, have a three-year statute of limitations period.
July 13, 2006 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
They can take dozens of depositions under oath of senior current and former members of the Bush Admin. I think that's the most important thing for bystanders.
As I see it, whether they succeed or not and the political ramifications are more of a concern for them and their attorneys.
I think the claim that she was deprived a property right under the 5th Amendment (i.e. her career and livelihood) is not uncommon for government employee whistleblowers. I think the damages may be harder to show than the injury.
July 13, 2006 2:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
The thought I immediately had on hearing about this was that it will be resolved not before 2010, and, by then it will not be newsworthy. So, my guess is a settlement as the resolution. But, I'm still enjoying this!
Hoppy in Sacramento
July 13, 2006 3:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
To the lawyers out there--are the defendants in a suit such as this covered by the Presidential pardon power?
homer
July 13, 2006 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yeah, it's almost certainly a SoL concern that prompted the timing. They gave it as long as they could within the three years.
July 13, 2006 4:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
long before we get to depositions, there will be motions to dismiss. There are some unique ones available to government employees acting in their official capacities. But allegations of unconstitutional actions add a twist. Most interesting will be the difficulty that Cheney will have in arguing that a sitting VP should not be subject to civil suit. The SCOTUS disposed of that issue in Jones v Clinton. He will still try though, with some version of 9/11 changed everything.
July 13, 2006 4:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
Inherent in the antebellum notion of Due Process (just the abstract legal principle) was an antipathy toward legislation that bore unequally on different classes of citizens. So, one can look at it as what some call "reverse incorporation," or just a strain of preexisting Due Process jurisprudence.
July 13, 2006 4:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
When I heard the news, the three things sprang to mind:
1. Slight feeling of dread. They're up against some wholly unscrupulous creeps.
2. What Ohiomeister said:
As I see it, whether they succeed or not and the political ramifications are more of a concern for them and their attorneys.
3. Who's representing them? Really important to have the best if they want to be effective -- at least in the Ohiomeister sense...
Oh, and, who's paying for this? Shouldn't we all?
July 13, 2006 4:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most interesting will be the difficulty that Cheney will have in arguing that a sitting VP should not be subject to civil suit. The SCOTUS disposed of that issue in Jones v Clinton.
This is a common misunderstanding. Jones dispatched the argument that a sitting President was immune, for the duration of his presidency, from service for suits that arose from pre-presidential conduct. Clinton was trying to extend immunity to conduct that didn't take place in his official capacity.
It's established that the President is immune from (at least most) civil suits for acts undertaken as President, but the decisions are based on the unique constitutional role of the President. Cheney will have a harder time arguing that the VP's role is as special.
July 13, 2006 4:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
I wonder if the Wilsons have figured out what actually happened with the leak. Perhaps the whole leak episode was a combination of guile, ineptitude and deliberate actions: guile=leaking the name "inadvertantly" does not seem to constitute breaking that obscure law about CIA identities; ineptitude=possibly how Armitage gave out Plame's name; and deliberate actions=the Veep, Libby and Rove's. Does anyone know of a leaking timeline online? South by Southwest
July 13, 2006 4:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I generally agree with jhaber that one of the main obstacles which the Wilsons will need to overcome is demonstrating that they’ve been injured in some legally cognizable sense. What I’m taking to be “right to privacy” or wrongful disclosure of true private facts claims seems a real stretch.
Which is why I think that the defendants will try to stay discovery (Libby’s motion should be a slam-dunk because he’s already facing a criminal trial, while the other defendants can quite legitimately argue that discovery should not begin while they are still in jeopardy criminally) and then attack the pleadings for various defects—like no injury, no cause of action,etc. There clearly will be a political price in essentially taking the 5th as a part of the stay motion, but I doubt it will be more than a one day story in the current media/political environment.
On the other hand, I think the defendants will be very, very careful in raising the issue of immunity. Remember, it is not enough that the defendant did the thing being complained of while he was serving/working in some official capacity. This is a considerable oversimplification, but in order to claim “official immunity” a defendant must show both that he was “an official” and that his conduct was within the commonly recognized scope of his official duties. Thus, for example, if the POTUS orders the military to bomb your pharmaceutical plant because he believes (rightly or wrongly) that it is a WMD factory—he is surely immune from suit. Making such decisions is a part of his job. But if, say, he accidently runs over a policeman while out riding his bike, he can be sued like anybody else. To put it another way, not everything that a President or a police officer or a judge does while serving in an official capacity is an “official act”. The other problem with raising a claim of “official immunity” is that it would probably open all of the defendants (and everyone else in the White House) to nearly unlimited discovery about their political activities and motives during the run-up to the Iraq War, the extent to which they believe that classified information can be disclosed for purely political reasons, and their personal feeling about things like Wilson’s NOT article. Also, it would require them to argue that disclosing the identity of a covert CIA operative was somehow part of somebody’s official duties. Shaky ground legally, very uncomfortable politically.
Also, several people (including jhaber) have mentioned the problem with proving “intent”. Here I would disagree with jhaber. Intent would not be easy, but it should be less of a problem for Wilson both because the plaintiffs can force defendants to answer questions about their intent----no “automatic” 5th Amendment privilege against making a defendant answer questions or produce personal diaries, etc.---- and because the burden of proof is much lower. An example would be the OJ trial: Plaintiffs were able to force OJ to explain himself and answer questions about his activities in ways which were not available in the criminal case, and also the civil plaintiffs just had to prove that OJ probably did it (Also, the plaintiffs were represented by good lawyers, while the People were represented by idiots).
Bottom line: If Wilson has or can get sufficient financial resources, a reasonably talented, reasonably nasty legal team, and also draws a reasonably sympatric judge, this could be a real nightmare for the White House.
July 13, 2006 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, just to clarify my question before. It wasn't about who the identified third source might be. It was about the second source (Harlow?). Is he part of the administration assassination team, like Rove and Libby? Who is he, and what is his role?
Also, sounds like quite a few leakers now identified. More than even those three (or four). Sounds like another theme worth hammering at is that this vendetta was Bush administration policy. The capo de capo ordered the hits.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
July 13, 2006 6:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
Article Two, Section Two of the Constitution, gives the President the "Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States." This power applies to criminal cases, United States v. Somebody, not to a civil case.
July 13, 2006 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's possible that the plaintiffs aren't interested in a settlement, but by a desire to get the facts out to the public. They could get much of what they want long before the case is decided.
July 13, 2006 6:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortuantely, if Rove, Cheney and Bush can get away with any responsibility for dropping the ball pre-9/11, killing thousands in illegal wars they started by lying to the world, hardly ever telling the truth about anything, having conversations with phone jammers on election day, appointing horse judges to emergency positions and losing one or two thousand citizens in a major US city, and having loaded the courts with right wing rubber stamp judges, nothing at all will develop from this lawsuit except big lawyer bills.
Additionally, Wilson and wife may be Faux-painted as self-serving greedy liberals who are interfering with Rove and Cheney in their unselfish sworn patriotic duty to battle against evildoers to preserve freedom and the American way of life.
July 13, 2006 7:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
The Causes of Action are sound and should survive to trial with the exception of possibly the First Amendment Bivens action. Appeals post judgment if any are another matter but if the complaint can survive summary adjudication, the Wilsons will have accomplished much.
They may already have statute of limitations problems which I suspect is why they pled so much detail ie they were anticipating a motion for judgment for failure to state a claim.
This complaint is clearly not designed to launch a Paula Jones fishing expedition in discovery. The plaintiffs should be able to avoid seriously protracted discovery disputes.
Fitzgerald probably could not be more pleased. I am of the decidedly minority view that Rove and eventually Cheney remain at risk.
July 13, 2006 8:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Proskauer, Rose major NYC firm
July 13, 2006 8:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
I fail to see the big damages problem. Earning capacity/advancement..the usual employee lawsuit stuff plus a hefty amount in special damages for privacy, conspiracy, EP, DP, first amendment (?) claims. As I noted before, below average potential for Ds' pre-trial delaying tactics
July 13, 2006 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
A reasonably calendar conscious ass-kickin judge could have this baby in trial late 2007 easy
July 13, 2006 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Limitations for intentional tort in DC is 1 year from injury .....
July 13, 2006 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
This will go nowhere.
It will be shot down by DoJ manipulating the judge assignment and other measures that were effective (so far) in preventing Sibel Edmonds from having her day in court on her FBI whistleblower and DoJ gagging case.
The Wilson case is doomed. Hopefully it might pry open some documents or other leaks, however, before it gets dismissed altogether.
July 14, 2006 12:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish Joe and Valerie all the best in this endeavor. The more of the cabals operations to attack them (and others who have spoken out against the illegal operations of the white house) they can bring to light the better. Even if this doesn't go very far legally, it puts the onus on the defendants to try and explain their actions. I've felt so disappointed that Fitzgerald has seemingly dropped the ball on Rove, this could shed more light on his behavior and best of all, Cheney's behavior.
Will this now motivate the defendants to initiate more attacks on the Wilsons? What form will these attacks take?
And away we go.....
July 14, 2006 6:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chris Wolf there is their neighbor. He's quoted as not knowing she was CIA. He does some cutting edge work on I think internet-related stuff.
July 14, 2006 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink