Copyright Stupidity Bites the Family Values Crowd
A lot of families don't like profanity or nudity in their films, so companies like CleanFlix purchase movies from Hollywood, edit out those portions, then resell the films to those families.
Well, a federal judge has declared this whole business an illegal violation of copyright law. This is a terrible ruling and it just adds to the rigidity of our copyright laws, which increasingly prevent people from modifying existing cultural resources-- even if they pay the original copyright holders.
Analysts like Larry Lessig in his book Free Culture have highlighted how this rigid modern version of copyright is shrinking the domain of cultural resources that the population can modify as needed for their own needs and enjoyment.
If the tech freedom folks want a killer coalition campaign, it's to come out in defense of CleanFlix and related firms and demand that copyright law be modified to expand the freedom to modify all cultural content once it's been purchased.
Update: For more on why it might be a bad idea to protect the "artistic integrity" of works with the threat of government censorship up to and including imprisonment for violating that artistic integrity, I recommend Larry Lessig's books, The Future of Ideas and Free Culture (link to the whole book which he gives away for free). Lessig in these excerpts highlight the absurdities of current copyright controls:
The film Twelve Monkeys was stopped by a court twenty-eight days after its release because an artist claimed a chair in the movie resembled a sketch of a piece of furniture that he had designed. The movie Batman Forever was threatened because the Batmobile drove through an allegedly copyrighted courtyard and the original architect demanded money before the film could be released. In 1998, a judge stopped the release of The Devil’s Advocate for two days because a sculptor claimed his art was used in the background. These events teach the lawyers that they must control the filmmakers. They convince studios that creative control is ultimately a legal matter.
To demonstrate the advantages of a culture where others can freely modify a work for their own creative purposes, Lessig links to "remixes" of his Free Culture book.















This is really not a compelling issue, and I'm really not interested in hitching my wagon to a group of censors who alter movie content without the permission of the original artists. There is nothing in this ruling that prevents an artist from editing his own content and releasing a "sanitized" version of the work. What is objected to is people capitalizing on the artist's work in a manner that abuses copyright law. I would think this goes right to the heart of copyright law.
The idea that the "domain of cultural resources" is shrinking is laughable. Try perusing YouTube someday.
July 9, 2006 5:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
YouTube is an interesting example -- large chunks of YouTube are illegal under current law and exist only until the copyright lawyers crack down. As folks like Lessig document, the copyright burden on legally producing any documentary or piece of art is getting overwhelming, since copyrighted images and information permetate our culture, so almost nothing that can be produced doesn't recycle some copyrighted image, music or other protected item.
And by the way, very few artists control their work. They are overwhelmingly forced to sell control to large corporations, so you are talking not of "artist rights" but of corporate rights to control free speech under threat of government fines and imprisonment.
July 9, 2006 5:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
I was half inclined to treat this as a joke: Nathan posted this to convince us, after the debate here yesterday, that, see, there is a huge difference between labor unions and progressive politics.
But this isn't a rigid, "modern" version of copyright law, whatever that might mean. I await an actual argument that what Nathan advocates is not copyright violation, plain and simple. It is also the repression of art and ideas. Directors have long fought with studios, often resigned to a compromise. I can't believe, however, any are resigned to seeing the religious right's version of their films sold widely, competing with the original, and no doubt mistaken for their film. I doubt studios like the competition either.
Then again, I seem to remember some great novels that took far too long to appear in unexpurgated form. Guess they can't count on Nathan's support. Maybe when "The Smartest Guys in the Room" appears cleansed so as to defend corporations and the "right to work," he'll be happier.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
July 9, 2006 5:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
John -I'm not sure where the labor versus progressive politics part of this post comes in-- this is more related to the issue of how progressives could better relate to honest cultural conservatives who don't like what our commercial culture does to their kids.
CleanFlix is not censorship; nothing they do prevents anyone else from watching the original version. It just gives parents another cultural option to have their kids see versions of popular culture without exposing them to elements they don't like. If thos parents just used Tivo to skip those sections, would you have the government come arrest them?
Most censorship of art is done by the same corporations who control most of the copyrights. CleanFlix butchers far fewer artistic visions than Hollywood executives, so why not encourage the right of families to better control the media coming into their homes?
What's in danger under modern copyright law is the right of people to modify cultural objects for reuse in new ways-- mashups, sampling, collages, and, yes, cleaned up versions for the kids.
Forget direct government censorship-- the real threat to free expression these days is in the copyright courts.
July 9, 2006 6:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
On one level, of course this is nothing new. The word, Bowdlerize has been around for a very long time: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Bowdlerize and the word bleep is part of most of our vocabularies, and our aural environment is affected by it every day. I think that there is a difference may have a strange and sinister significance because of different physical characteristics in the media involved and because of the nature of the free market.
My example has nothing to do with politics, but maybe that's o.k. on a Sunday morning. I use Laurel and Hardy in one of my classes to illustrate how moving pictures broadened the visual information of mainstream America before people traveled very much (all of a sudden Spanish tile roofs start to appear on bungalows in New England) and because I like Laurel and Hardy and don't want them to disappear from the cultural memory. One of the films I use is the award winning short, The Music Box which some of you may remember. "But Officer...he kicked me right in the middle of my daily duties". Anyhow, when the video I was using deteriorated with age, the only version available for replacing it was the colorized version. Now I was faced with a choice...stop showing the film, (our equipment isn't sophisticated enough to turn off color from the console--perhaps some is), or try to give an explanation to the students and ask them to imagine the film in black and white and discount what they're seeing in terms of the color palette.
The assumption of the commercial distributors was that nobody would want to watch the film in black and white, and free market economics made the original version unavailable. What happens if the same phenomena happens with these expurgated films? Twenty, thirty, forty years from now the originals may be unavailable to the general public, and the Bowdlerized (read Censored) version be the only one available. What is worse, the vast majority of future viewers of these films may not know that any other version except the expurgated version exists.
Clean fix is censorship, even if it is voluntary, commercially driven censorship. John Milton, doughty Puritan poet that he was, would have hated it. Bravo to the judges who struck this down. The only version of this kind of behavior I could support would be one which required the visual equivalent of the bleep on the screen... a message something of the equivalent "twenty seconds of this film were cut to protect your delicate eyes and ears from something we thing would be harmful to you"...maybe followed by a quote from Kant's What is Enlightenment.
Mike
July 9, 2006 6:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Except Mike-- your example is one of copyright holders modifying the original work and refusing to share the original publicly.
And imagine this scenario-- you take the colorized version and reverse the process to restore it to the original black and white and your resell your specially-modified black and white version to your students as part of their course package.
Guess what-- you've violated copyright law by restoring the film to its original use. Copyright would prevent you from teaching students any version of a film or copyrighted material that a copyright holder does not want you to use. (Admittedly, there is some diminishing latitude for classroom use of copyrights not available more broadly, but not that much these days).
CleanFlix is precisely NOT censorship since it in no way diminishes anyone else's ability to see the original version, which are widely sold by the present copyright holders. You worry that in thirty years, only the bowlderized versions will be available, but it's precisely copyright law that would prevent people from saving their favorite versions for posterity and making sure they are available, whether the copyright holders want them to be or not.
July 9, 2006 7:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
All of this seems to be about everybody wants access to everything even though they have to change the thing itself in order to get the kind of access they want. We do it to our environment; we do it to our art; and we wind up destroying the very thing we admired by turning into a imitation, a duplicate, as opposed to something respected for its uniqueness. Must we always have everything on our own terms, without regard for the requirements of the healthy ecosystem, or intention of the author, or the temporality of the concept, or the force of nature, or the film director's vision? Copyright -- like environmental conservation -- is formalized sign of respect for the intentions and the integrity of the maker. We are very short-sighted and egocentric if we ignore that.
July 9, 2006 8:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Copyright isn't solely about protecting the right to distribute one's own work, although as Mike points out, infringement can erode that right, and that's important. It's mostly, however, about who owns a work and who gets to say what consitutes the work. It doesn't have to be about that to deserve saving, as making money off one's work is fine, but it can be. And when the question becomes, say, Who owns a work, you or the Christian Coalition, you or the Bush administration, that question takes on serious political implications as well. Maybe Clean Fix is more innocent or maybe not, but I see no reason to give the decision to them and to Nathan, and apparently neither does the copyright owner or the law.
Excerpting a creative work without permission often distorts its context and meaning, repressing and damaging its meaning. It doesn't have to, for copyright still to have a point, but it can, and then it's a serious first-amendment concern to me as well. For example, art artist incorporated the hooded figure from Abu Ghraib into a drawing, along with quotes from sources on both left and right; her work was about softening controversy and remaining open to dialogue, although it would have been protected had it been a diatribe anyhow. Still, The Daily News excerpted without permission the hooded figure, damning it and an institution that had once exhibited it (to no protests whatsoever) as anti-American, the same vocabulary and strategy that Rove uses. She had little recourse after the fact, her reputation was damaged, her career was sidetracked, and the institution's plans to relocate were scuttled. I am not defending those plans here, and maybe some copyright holders deserve to be spat upon, only saying that anyone who thinks that excerpting isn't without harm is a fool.
True, self-censorship is not the same as censorship, but it's equally foolish to think that the latter does not promote the former. In a climate of fear, for political consequences or simply for making money (a legitimate concern of copyright), people will cave. As for mash-ups, there's a good chance that copyright law protects them as artistic expression. In any case, defending new forms of expression is hardly a valid way to make the case for censorship.
John
July 9, 2006 8:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I won't argue about whether this ruling is good or bad, not enough coffee for that.
If I were CleanFix, I would distribute both the DVD of the film along with an "edit list" that my CleanFix Player could read and use to make on the fly edits when the consumer demanded.
That on the fly edit could either be viewed on a computer, or burned to a DVD by the consumer. That burning would surely be fair use.
It's not as large a market as selling the VHS or DVDs themselves, but it seems to accomplish the same thing without too much problem for the consumer.
This is sort of like the V-Chip. The main problem with the V-Chip is that it gave sole authority of ratings to one group of people.
What the V-Chip should have done was allow the consumer to indicate any one of an arbitrary number of ratings organizations to produce the rating for a movie.
That way Ned Flanders could use the Focus on the Family Feed, and I could use the ACLU feed, and the local school district could let their teachers create their own ratings feed.
July 9, 2006 8:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not quite my point. In the case of visual and aural media, the original version may have deteriorated to the point that the original version would longer exist. With print media as long as a copy exists, and could be recopied by hand if necessary, there's no worry. Not so with celluloid or magnetic tape, and I now understand there is some concern about the media upon which CDS and DVDs have been recorded deteriorating.
We have no idea how long the holders of present copyright versions will make their original versions available, if lack of sales make them unprofitable (Gresham's Law applies here), nor any assurance that they won't sell exclusive rights to a company like CleanFix if CleanFix decides it wants to have exclusive rights to them. There are certainly instances where copyrights have been bought up (textbook publishing is a particularly pernicious example) for the purpose of removing competition (one publisher buying up the rights to a competing textbook in a field like psychology and taking it off the market).
I think the most appropriate change to copyright laws now, given that new technologies make this entirely possible, would be to make copyright holding dependent upon publication. The holder must make the material available at a fair price in a form which preserves the content for the purchaser. For example, given that books are stored electronically, it is perfectly possible to publish a single copy, unbound, at a price which would allow a profit and not make it impossible for persons with less resources than Bill Gates to buy it. If the holder takes the material off the market the copyright is voided. This protects the original from disappearing from the marketplace of ideas. A right to publish should be exactly that, and not a right to refuse to publish. No copyrighted material should ever be out of print. Amend the law to include that provision and I'll withdraw my reservations about CleanFix, provided CleanFix clearly indicates that what they're provided is not what the original creation was, and provided they direct viewers to places where the original can be purchased. Is that a reasonable compromise?
Mike
July 9, 2006 8:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
I can't believe this. And I really can't believe that anyone who cares about art, about literature, about film would promote this kind of scam on the public. Artists, writers, filmmakers use images and words for a reason - to convey their meaning and their vision of a subject. No one else has the right to edit, change or diminish in any way, shape or form that vision or perception.
Writers choose words purposefully- there is a reason why a character speaks in a certain way. Artists choose subjects and paint them in a certain way to convey a mood or feeling or lesson. Filmmakers choose to film certain scenes and edit a film for these same reasons. You may not like the result, you may criticize, you may choose not to see it or read it (which then, of course revokes your privilege to criticize) but by God, NO ONE has the right to "clean it up" or "fix it" or in any way alter the artist's finished work.
If a "lot of families" don't like the content of a film or book or painting, then they can choose other films, or books or paintings that better suit their tastes or they can choose not to view or read subjects they find offensive.
Instead of CleanFlix they should call it was it is - QuickFix. Instead of educating people, of informing them, or teaching them, the quick and lazy way is to pander to the lowest common denominator and just remove the part "many families" don't like. It's also lazier and easier than actually watching a film with your children and explaining it to them.
Let me put it this way - there are few things in your article I don't like - would it be okay with you, if I changed a few sentences, maybe left out a paragraph or two and then sent it to all the newspapers and newsmagazines? You would get full credit as the author of course...
July 9, 2006 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
I've written four engineering textbooks and parts of others. With my first publisher, I had what might be called an "artistic disagreement." Their opinion was that chapters should essentially be standalone, so people could "just get the information they wanted."
My counterargument was that the chapters generally built on one another, and to make them free-standing, I'd have to repeat a lot of tutorial material. There were compromises, and the books with the first published sold better, for reasons that I don't think had to do with structure. It had to do with their timing vis-a-vis the dot-com crash, and also the better marketing.
Some graduate programs have used the books as supplementary material, assigning individual chapters. I have much less problem with that, because the professor presumably reads the chapter first, and knows if the students have gotten the prerequisite material through other sources. Since the students buy the whole book, I consider that fair use.
In the case of CleanFix, a separate viewer's guide seems fair use, as would be the buyer's choice to skip over some scenes.
--
Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 9:29 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree with BevD. Clearly we are dealing with a work of art, whether or not you value it highly or like the content. Even in the absence of copyright laws, it would be unethical to tamper with it.
Homer
www.altara.blogspot.com.
July 9, 2006 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
If cleanfix's customers bought a copy of the original work then they are free to mutilate it any way they wish. If they have this mutilation done for them by a contractor than that shoud be allowable as well.
The issue is does Cleanfix make copies of one original to distribute to many customers? In that case it is an abuse whether they alter it or not. If one could edit a DVD oneself or splice a VCR tape than this would not have come up.
The issue of censorship by copyright holders is more important. The new laws being phased in make it a crime to copy or unscramble "protected" digital media. This is a real danger to democracy. Instead of worrying about the existence of a b&w version of a movie, we face the prospect that a scrambled work may be rendered invisible by the copyright hoder (or the government) at any time.
As even phyical possession of an object no longer offers ownership rights (try to skip the FBI warning on a DVD) the risk of censorship becomes more possible.
--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape
July 9, 2006 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
As to who controls the copyright, I don't see a serious argument in the idea that the sale of a copyright to a large corporation implies that we should take the concept of artistic purity less seriously.
Basically, the burden is on you in this instance to show why this court ruling is wrong, because the gut instinct is that the court is right. You are also asking progressives to throw their political support behind "family values" movie censors. These are exactly the people who nauseate me the most in politics.
July 9, 2006 10:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think this is about "fair use". This is about maintaining the integrity of the artist's vision. Filmmaking is an art - it may be bad, it may be good, but it is still art. The first time I read about this a few yeats ago, I was appalled that this would be considered acceptable by a society that pays so much "homage" to the arts and artists, but I wasn't surprised that anyone would attempt to make money pandering to ignorance. What does surprise me is that any liberal or progressive would promote this obnoxious product as a "coalition cause" - something we would have in common with conservatives.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Why should progressives be any better educated in the arts than conservatives? And why would they care anymore than conservatives? After all, it's just art.
July 9, 2006 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
It would? If I purchase the art from the creator (or the previous owner of the art), don't I have the right to do whatever I want with it?
July 9, 2006 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Whether you like it or not, it is about fair use. If you want the US government to be in the business of "maintaining the integrity of artist's visions", then the US government needs to take away the peoples right to fair use of creative works.
It is that simple.
You seem to be obsessed with the product itself. But at the heart, this is a free speech issue: Although I disagree with how you are mutilating a movie, I will defend to the death your right to mutilate it.
July 9, 2006 11:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
To put it another way, Nathan or Clean Fix or anyone else is allowed to issue a newspaper or television news program with, say, all news hostile to the Bush administration removed. Come to think of it, it's already been done, and it's disgusting. What they can't do is rework the Times or, for that matter, my posts to that end while not asking if we'd like it without insulting the writer, distorting the writer's meaning, and breaking the law. Nor can they claim it is a faithful or perhaps purer version of the original.
This does not mean copyright stifles artistic creativity or, as Nathan chooses to put it, shrinks the domain of creative resources. The case of a film is no different in the slightest, and I see nothing about this that's in the least difficult to understand.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
July 9, 2006 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is the legal justification that the artist has a right to the integrity of vision? It's not in the Copyright Act, at least when copyright is assigned. It's not in the First Amendment.
A few years ago, a package arrived at my house. Opening it, several books fell out. I looked at them, and first wondered if I needed new glasses. As it turned out, it was hard to read because it was in Chinese. One of my publishers had exercised a contractual right to put out editions in other languages. It took some looking, but I found my name on it in Roman characters, the name of my cat in the acknowledgements, and recognized my drawings by their shape.
Now, as do a number of scientific and technical writers, I like to start my chapters, right below the title, with several pithy quotations. Literally, I have no way of telling if this was done in a translation that I can't read. Realistically, the quotations may be interesting, in English, due to use of idiom or puns, and realistically won't translate. I don't consider doing away with my quotations a fundamental issue of integrity.
Yes, it's just art. If you can show me a Constitutional, or even statutory, protection for its integrity, you can begin to convince me that fair use isn't.
Next to me is a sketchbook. One of the ways I take a break from work, which I've restarted after many years, is doing charcoal sketches, mostly of cats and dogs. It's not published material and yes, I'd be annoyed if someone changed what has some of the personal aspects of a diary.
Someday, I hope again to have the resources to go back to juried competition in photography. While my works are public in that context, reproduction isn't an issue, and, indeed manipulation would be unheard of. There is a difference between fine art shows and commercial publication with copyright assignment.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 11:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think that copyright should be severely curtailed from the present over-inflated form. For example, Scientology prosecutes folks who commit heresy or blasfemy from their point of view by accusing them of copyright infringement. Estates of long dead writers prosecute researchers who want to draw inconvenient conclusion from the writers letters --- by forbidding quotations.
Consider Mona Lisa with a mustache or otherwise modified. Luckily, copyright of Leonardo has expired.
Copyright should not be used to stiffle heresy, inconvenient biographies, satire, political disagreement etc. Perhaps some compromise is possible -- e.g. extensive fair use provisions in effect 15 years after publication.
July 9, 2006 12:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
What is blogging other than largely quoting and reusing other materials. I didn't ask Lawrence Lessig for the right to quote the chunks of text above and "rework" it with my additional ideas, some of which he might agree with, some of which he might not.
CleanFlix does not claim to be distributing the original film. In fact, their business is based on selling IMPURE artistic versions in ways that everyone understands is not the original.
Should we rip all the Andy Warhol pictures of Campbell's soup out of galleries and shut down every parody that uses elements of another piece of artistic work? Why shouldn't rappers be allowed to sample other music and mix it together into new remixes and mashups?
As long as it's clear that a work is not the original version and the original artist gets paid, why shouldn't people be allowed to modify it as they wish, or as their customers wish?
July 9, 2006 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The ability of documentary filmmakers is severely limited by rights issues. It's nearly impossible to make a historical documentary without expensive legal advice.
I belong to several mailing lists for movie archivists, and this is one of the most discussed topics. Clearing rights for archival film and images for a documentary can be one of the biggest budget expenses.
I'm not for censorship in any way shape or form, but it's not censorship to offer an edited version for family viewing. Whether it's artistically palatable is another matter, but no one is forcing the edited versions on viewers.
The available pool of cultural resources is not necessarily shrinking, but with the expansion of copyright law and increasing use of technology to protect source material, it's becoming much more difficult to take advantage of.
July 9, 2006 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
H. C. Berkowitz seems to be saying that his work has been used without his permission, and he's upset about it. That seems an odd justification for Nathan's claim that it can and should be used that way. In any case, the legal issues there seem to involve his contract with his publisher and not copyright law. He'll have to consult a lawyer.
Piotr has two other analogies. One is to claims by Scientologists that sound as loony as they are. When I say you can't build Fox news out of the Times or Piotr's published writings (should they exist), that doesn't mean you can't use Fox news to proclaim the Times or Piotr is a fool. Piotr could sue for libel, which might work depending on just what they say, or argue back in his own voice while permitting Fox to say what they wish. However, he has no claim under copyright law.
His second false analogy is basically the same as Nathan's, and I already argued against it with reference to mashups. Within more or less vague limits, parody and artistic expression constitute fair use. If you think you can justify cutting five minutes of profanity out of a movie as an independent work of art satirizing and critiquing the ugliness of what we foist on innocent children or the ugliness of censors like Nathan, give it a try. I might even defend you. But you can see why the legal burden shifts once you get so close to the original. So why should you have even more rights when you've no such purpose at all?
I still await a clear expression of what limit on copyright is desired. Presumably, it'd keep a Scientologist's hands off the religious views in your book but not off the sex scenes in John Updike? So what's the difference, that someone says "I am a parent" and so gets to decide? God help us.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
July 9, 2006 1:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
I await an actual argument that what Nathan advocates is not copyright violation, plain and simple.
Cleanflix purchased each and every copy of the film they sell from the original owners. Now, we can argue what is fair use and what is not fair use when it comes to making copies, but here we're talking about NO COPIES BEING MADE AT ALL. The idea that I can violate your copyright without, well, COPYING what you've done is absurd.
Then again, I seem to remember some great novels that took far too long to appear in unexpurgated form.
I fail to see any connection between the idea of editing your own copy of a film and what you are saying there.
Maybe when "The Smartest Guys in the Room" appears cleansed so as to defend corporations and the "right to work," he'll be happier.
If Nathan is being consistent, then he would indeed have to support someone's right to purchase a copy of that film, edit it, and sell that single copy if it is labeled as such an edited copy. I would certainly support that right.
July 9, 2006 1:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is a moral imperative. Copyright laws in the arts are more than "fair use". It's about protecting the integrity of the work. Yes, you have the right to buy artwork, whether it is film or any other media, but that does not mean you have the right to then mutilate the work and resell it as representative of that artist's work. The artist has the right to protect his freedom of speech as much as anyone else. Art isn't a free-for-all where everyone is entitled to add his opinion or idea or anything else and everyone else's opinion is equal to the artist's. No one has the "right" to mutilate, change or destroy someone else's work because "many families don't like it." Art is protected because it is meaningful, it is extraordinary, it is the reflection of the value that a society puts on freedom of expression. It is important to the artist and it is important to civilization that it be protected from the iconoclasts and public censors.
July 9, 2006 1:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, you don't. You have the responsibilty to protect it, care for it and keep it for others.
July 9, 2006 1:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wait, isn't this an argument for Nathan's point of view? If the copyright holding corporation sells exclusive rights to CleanFix, then your only defense is that some other company would have the right to clean up and restore your original copy. In other words, this decision against present-day CleanFix actually makes your nightmare scenario of an exclusive-rights holding CleanFix MORE likely, not LESS.
July 9, 2006 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
What are you talking about?
Much of "fair use" centers around the end user. An editing guide to a movie is fair use, and if the actual user, a parent, uses it to black out or fast-forward certain sections, I see that as fair use. How many of us haven't seen a parent cover a child's eyes for a specific scene in a movie or TV show? Is that a copyright violation?
I can believe that the Washington Redskins coaching staff wanted to cut some things out of their films, when their quarterback, joyous at completing a pass, ran helmet-first into the concrete wall and gave himself a concussion knocking himself out of most of the season. Do they violate the NFL Films copyright? -- Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
A strange form of conservationism indeed, that allows people to own and profit from pieces of the Platonic World of Ideals, or the timless digits of Omega. A strange form of respect for the past indeed that forces humanity to forget about our cultural heritage just because the copyright holder doesn't think there is any profit in releasing it on DVD. And what a contrast with environmentalism, which preserves the Earth for future generations, this "formalized sign of respect" that prevents future artists from standing on the shoulders of giants--that would prevent Shakespeare from stealing ideas from the ancient myths. And what an odd form of egolessness that declares the corporate copyright holder eternal lord and master of the minds of every person to be inspired by the work throughout eternity.
Our ideas and creations are bigger than we are. It is absurd for us to expect to control them.
July 9, 2006 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a moral imperative to support freedom. I have a moral imperative to support the creation of new works inspired by old works. Our creations are independent of and bigger than we, the creators. We do not have the right to strange the children of our creations in the cradle--the remixes and remakes and edits that they inspire each make the world a more beautiful place. To attempt to stop the creation of those works is to not only make the world an inferior, uglier place, but is to commit an ethical violation.
I do absolutely no damage to the original artist's vision unless I falsely claim that my new edit is the original.
July 9, 2006 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Indeed, since copyrights have expired since the beginning of copyright law, but presumably the claim to "artisitic integrity" would be eternal, it seems pretty damn clear that artistic integrity wasn't on the minds of the framers of copyright law whatsoever. That would fall under slander and libel law.
July 9, 2006 2:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Next thing you know, they'll be editing out the Sermon on the Mount. Once you start editing for one purpose, inevitably in our polarized society, you edit for political content.
I learned a lesson when I was 12 when I defied the nuns and the local Catholic Church which though "To Kill a Mockingbird" unfit for teenage viewing. It's still one of my favorite movies and it taught me a great lesson: the majority is not always morally right.
July 9, 2006 2:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is a difference in being inspired by a work of art and plagiarizing and using a work of art to your material advantage by using the artist's name as a selling feature. It's as if someone buys the copyright to Picasso's paintings and changed the colours to fit current colour trends and then selling them as Picassos. They're no longer Picassos. You're not "remaking" it or "editing" it, you're substituting your own personal tastes for the artist's and claiming that it's the work product of the artist.
Changing the artist's vision is damaging to the work. There is a concept, a reason, a very personal need in an artist's choices. The work isn't "independent" of the artist, the work IS the artist.
July 9, 2006 2:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
The first time I published something, if just a local newspaper feature, was at the beginning of the sixties. My high school had a very strong art department, and I was able to do minors in visual art and dramatics. At the time, I seemed to do well in sculpture, although I've lost interest, but was in juried competition when I was 15 or so.
Most of my writing is nonfiction, which doesn't seem to engender the same emotionalism as in the visual arts. When I started routinely showing my work in photographic competition, and also participated a bit in the art gallery world, I found some fairly bizarre positions taken by artist. While the correlation wasn't absolute, the more someone insisted on their "right to make a statement", even if that blocked a street, the less classical talent that person had.
A good deal of my photography is abstract, or manipulative (e.g., hand coloring). My sketching is more representational, but I remain a fan of the test of a would-be avant-garde artist: could you sketch that lamp? Perhaps this cat? Even such that the product is not a generic cat, but that you can tell it's Tiger or Mr. Clark? It's surprising how many of the avant-garde just don't have basic technical skills. Part of the challenge of art, to me, is the skill: when I have the opportunity, I'll use my view camera, so utterly non-automatic that I put in individual sheets of film, so utterly non-automatic that I have complete control of the film selection and how individual sheets are developed.
Forgive me if I am rather cynical about a moral imperative to artistic expression, not codified in law. It's a rare artist that can be both creative and offensive. "Guernica" succeeds, "Piss Christ" does not.
Yet is flag burning protected speech? Here's a real example: the serial killer John Gacy was a painter of reasonable skill. After his execution, his works were auctioned, and mostly bought by a person with the stated intent of burning them, to try to erase the evil memory.
I honestly don't know what my opinion is of doing so. There is real historical value, if there's anything to getting psychological insight into art, of Hitler's watercolors having been preserved and studied.
Incidentally, one can get a fascinating insight by comparing Hitler's and Churchill's paintings. With all of Hitler's pretentious sayings about his artistic soul, one of his chief enemies was much, much better.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jesus, Howard, this isn't about protecting John Wayne Gacy, who in my opinion, wasn't even a marginally skillful artist. He wasn't by any test an "artist". I don't pretend to see meaning in any artist's work - my criticism is limited to composition, medium and other physical elements that were chosen by the artist. I don't presume to know the meaning in any artistic work. I know what that work means to me which is entirely subjective. I do, however, believe that copyright protection is needed to protect the best, even if it includes the worst.
If someone buys the work with the intention of destroying it, he certainly has that right, but he has the responsibility to learn discernment and taste and critical thinking and to protect good work from mutilation or destruction. We all have rights, but we also have responsibilities and duties.
The flag isn't a work of art, it is a signal and symbol and in my opinion isn't relevant to the issue we're discussing. I understand your point, I disagree with it.
As to Hitler and Churchill, I don't think either was anything more than an amateur painter - nice to look at in the local gymnasium on a sunday afternoon.
July 9, 2006 3:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is a moral imperative. Copyright laws in the arts are more than "fair use". It's about protecting the integrity of the work.
Copyright law is NOT about protecting the integricy of the work. Copyright law is about providing incentive to produce creative works. Go take a look at the constitution. There is nothing there about "protecting integrity".
If you want laws to protect the integrity of art, then you should lobby for those. But they would have nothing to do with copyright.
Yes, you have the right to buy artwork, whether it is film or any other media, but that does not mean you have the right to then mutilate the work and resell it as representative of that artist's work.
Nobody is asking to resell the work as "representative of the artist's work". Clearflix (or whatever they are called) is very clear about what they are selling: movies that have been modified to remove the parts some people don't want to see.
The artist has the right to protect his freedom of speech as much as anyone else.
Nobody is taking away the artist's freedom of speech. He made his movie. He sold it. Anyone can buy it. Nothing Clearflix does can change that.
Art isn't a free-for-all where everyone is entitled to add his opinion or idea or anything else and everyone else's opinion is equal to the artist's.
What Art Is or Isn't is irrelevant to this argument. If you want to ban Clearflix from your artist club, go right ahead. Just don't start taking away their rights because you don't agree with them.
No one has the "right" to mutilate, change or destroy someone else's work because "many families don't like it."
Why don't they have that right? You seem to have invented a Right To Be An Artist that grants special, extra-constitutional rights. They don't appear in the constitution anywhere, nor are they supported by common law. On top of that, they are demonstrably bad for the arts themselves, as Lessig makes very clear.
Art is protected because it is meaningful, it is extraordinary, it is the reflection of the value that a society puts on freedom of expression. It is important to the artist and it is important to civilization that it be protected from the iconoclasts and public censors.
It is important to protect the right to create. But you are trying to ban the right to create.
July 9, 2006 3:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Could you point me to where in the constitution it says that I don't have the right to do what I want with art I purchase?
Or where it says that when I purchase art, I have a responsibility to protet it, care for it, and keep it for others?
If you can, then I will retract my previous statements. Otherwise, you are either woefully misunformed about copyright law, or flat out lying.
July 9, 2006 3:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let us say that someone violently homophobic wants to destroy every work of Mapplethorpe he can buy legally. Assume everything was on the free market and every museum would sell. I would think it a tragedy if this buyer did this, but I see it as a tragedy in my own ethical system. Others would applaud it.
My point about Hitler and Churchill aren't that they were world-class artists. I believe their styles do tell us something about themselves. Look at the perspective of human figures and its relative size compared to architecture in Hitler's paintings, as well as the very careful precision. Hitler was a better draftsman than Churchill, but Churchill's boldness in brushstroke and color also tells us things. I must confess that Churchill's account of his first lesson in oil painting, as he was completely stalled by his attempt at self-education, is one of the funniest things he wrote.
There are any number of issues in which Americans differ intensely: abortion, pornography, flag burning, depictions of violence, capital punishment, etc. There is no universal truth here. How, then, do you obtain an apparently universal imperative to safeguard artistic works? It's not in the Constitution. It's not in any religious work that comes to mind. It's not in the Copyright Act.
What is the source of this apparently universal responsibility? Is not art, itself, symbolic speech?
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
This post was rated a 1 by somebody. According to the FAQ, "1's should be reserved for inappropriate or offensive content".
Unless I am missing something, there is nothing inappropriate or offensive in my comment. Should I worry about this?
July 9, 2006 5:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, if someone buys the rights to Picasso's paintings, then copyright law says they're in the clear to do with them as they please. Clearly, what you're talking about isn't what the law is meant to defend.
And I do agree that if you claim your work is the work of the original artist then that's slanderous. Slander has nothing to do with copyright, and this ruling goes way further than justice allows.
Your final paragraph is simply the opposite of the truth. The work is larger than the artist. If the artist never wants his beautiful work to be sullied by the audience's insight, then he should have kept it to himself. Let the "concept, reason, very personal need" in the artist's choices live on in the artist's copy--once the copy is mine, then the copy is mine, period. The world is a more beautiful place because people are defying your wishes on this issue.
July 9, 2006 5:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
I guess you would have banned the Jefferson Bible.
July 9, 2006 5:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'll grant this, but I often question whether or not it is a necessary incentive to produce creative works. In my dreamier moments I think the act of creativity itself is a necessity, for some, perhaps, an overwhelming necessity. We need to recognize that most of the creative work done in the history of the west was done before the idea of intellectual property was even invented. Bach borrowed copiously from Vivaldi--no footnotes, and no accusations of plagiarism or violation of his rights. Other composers have returned the favor. What Copyright law is about, it seems to me, is the commodification of creativity, which is o.k., I guess, but I'd be hard put to defend that it is necessary to creativity. Even today, I suspect most creative work is not protected by formal copyright... though the aesthetic elite would deny much of it has any artistic merit. The work is given to the world as a gift, by people who don't much care if they make a buck out of it or not. Some of it is good enough, or novel enough to be dubbed "folk art" by the taste-makers, and wind up in museums, with or without much compensation to the creators.
I think nobody yet knows what the creation of the Internet is going to do to this sense of right to intellectual property--to copyright thought. I'd be willing to bet a small sum that it is going to make defense of copyright all but impossible eventually. It is also going to make plagiarism difficult to define or prosecute. How many times does a phrase have to appear before it becomes "public domain"? In the world of the Internet that happens in hours. In print, much longer.
Finally, with a great deal of affection and gratitude to those who do it, I applaud everyone in the "open source" community. Those who create code and deliberately give it away, in the hopes that others can use it for their own creative work. I also applaud those who publish poetry on the net, art on the net, plays on the net, short stories on the net, full novels on the net, and encourage others to pass them on. They frequently beg people not to mutilate what they've done and given freely. But they don't try to protect their creations from mutilation. They rely on an ethic which isn't in the Constitution (neither is anything about copyright, except by implication) but is older than the constitution, which is the ethic which says I will respect the giver by respecting the gift.
p.s. To the makers of the software which lets me proofread this little piece of writing without paying for the privilege, profound thanks.
Mike
July 9, 2006 5:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't say it was slanderous, I said it was plagiarizing - and it is. It doesn't matter if it is the written word or a visual image, it's stealing.
"The work is larger than the artist"? That has no meaning whatsoever. A Picasso wouldn't be a Picasso without Picasso. A De Kooning wouldn't be a De Kooning without De Kooning. You can't produce a Jackson Pollock painting - only he can. Artists aren't interchangable - they're unique - that's what makes them artists. That's why every work of art is unique and why some art is better than other art. It is genius, not the ability or skill to copy someone's work or steal someone else's work that makes it art. All art isn't equal.
July 9, 2006 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
You're thinking in far shorter time-spans than I am. I approach some of this as an historian, which is how I earn my bread and butter. All cultural products decay across time. If a company purchases the rights to a cultural product, modifies the product, and lets the original product decay, then there is no original product to restore. There are cases which which film historian can quote in more detail than I can. A number if classic films have simply disappeared because the celluloid upon which they were printed was not adequately stored under archival conditions. In some cases this happened because the original company was careless. In others, the entire library of a company was purchased, and culled by the purchasing company. The library of MGM, if I remember correctly, had this happen to it.
We don't know what the shelf-life of materials stored digitally is, because the media upon which it is stored is too new. Will it be as durable as cuneiform tablets (we've got 5000 year old examples of those) or paper? We simply don't know. We do know that materials 80 years old are now unplayable. My original objection was to the idea of defending any kind of bowdlerization. If one doesn't want one's kids to see something, then don't buy it. Let them see it later. (Yes, I know Mother Goose cleans up the fairy tales--as do translations of those collected by the Brothers Grimm). But if the "cleaned up" version enters popular culture and replaces the original version in the public memory, there is likelihood that the real version will become the "lost" version. The alternate problem is that there may be so many variant versions that nobody will know which is the most authentic representation of the creator's intent.
Mike
July 9, 2006 6:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
Doesn't look like a one to me...
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July 9, 2006 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
Not under the title Jefferson Bible with the author line, "Abridged and Amernded by Thomas Jefferson" and a forward reading "I've removed all the nasty bits for the following reasons. . ."
Mike
July 9, 2006 6:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
The source of responsibility and duty lies in ourselves and our value system. That is how I obtain the moral imperative to protect works of art. If I don't do it, who will? Yes, there is a universal responsiblity to protect the resources of our world and art is one of those resources. Our children have the right to inherit the works of art created by us and our ancestors. That makes it our duty and responsiblity to safeguard it from the capriciousness and mutilation of others. We're civilized people, and civilized people have duties and responsibilities to future generations. That is the universal truth - that humans have not the right to waste and use up resources so that others are deprived of their goodness and usefulness.
Copyright law is just one brick in the wall of that protection, but it is important to the artist and therefore important to me because I benefit from that artist's work. The artist has the right to benefit from his work, free from the interference and theft of others and the inherent censorship in something so wholesomely named "CleanFlicks" but might more aptly be named "Cheapskates". If those people who "clean" films are too cheap to produce their own, then the least they can do is leave others' alone.
I don't consider art symbolic speech. I consider symbolic speech, symbolic speech, and art, art. What the meaning of a work of art is, is completely subjective. A poem or a painting has a different meaning for each person. This is where in my opinion, criticism has gone so desparately off-track. It is no longer criticism of form, composition and medium, but now the critic thinks he should criticize the "meaning" of the work - as if he knows. Film criticism is especially egregious in this - every critic thinks he knows what it is the director "is trying to say" or his "hidden meaning" or "political message" and even what the director and scriptwriter should have filmed and written. Not only is it bad criticism, it's damned impertinent. The work is what it is, it stands or falls on its own merits. You may like it or dislike it, you may praise it or damn it, but it is still the concept and the vision of the artist and no one has the right to change it.
July 9, 2006 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, I cannot. That's something you learn as a responsible member of civilization - that we have the duty and privilege to husband resources for future generations because they have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness just as we do.
Artists have the right just as inventors do (and are protected by patent law) to benefit from their work, free from the interference and censorship of others.
July 9, 2006 6:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 6:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I could argue that they indeed failed - we still have suffering, we still have war, we still have propaganda - but I could also argue that now people see something very different in them, and still the form is uniquely executed and visionary.
Just because some things aren't universally considered art, it doesn't mean that nothing is universally accepted as art. Copyright law protects them both.
It baffles me that people think it is perfectly acceptable for an inventor to profit from his creation and be protected from piracy, but an artist should donate his creation to the world with the understanding that others can do anything they please with it.
An altered Picasso is worth considerably less than a Picasso in original condition and a copy is worth nothing - the reason of course, is that it is no longer a Picasso.
Good night from a very heavy and oppressively humid night in Cincinnati.
Bev
July 9, 2006 7:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
My point was that each of the works of art I cited had a symbolic political, religious, or social message. Not all art is symbolic speech, but some certainly is. Just as I believe burning a flag is offensive but legal, I can see the destruction of an artwork as its own form of protected speech.
I don't understand your point about artists donating works. Much of this discussion has involved motion pictures, which, ignoring the corporation that might have financed that, are collaborative efforts.
What artist controls a movie? The director? The writer? One actor? Multiple actors? The lead cinematographer?
Certainly in a commercial film production, all of these were quite well compensated. I don't see where they are donating anything.
Indeed, the very medium we are using, the World Wide Web, was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, and put in the public domain. I've certainly invented things, but that's what I was salaried to do in a corporate R&D lab. The things that frustrated me were the inventions I couldn't convince my management to produce, not the things they did.
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Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 9, 2006 7:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
But isn't there also the possibility that the variant version is the only one that survives--that without the variant version, NO version of the original exists? I suspect that most of the cases of the phenomenon you're talking about are precisely those cases in which the survival of ANY version was most in doubt.
I might be able to accept a world in which the original work was always protected--as long as that protection was unconnected to copyright. History belongs to humanity, not to the copyright holder. CleanFix would be banned, but so would Greedo shooting first.
July 9, 2006 7:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, here's the fundamental problem with their business model.
This is The Matador, which was off their front page. Here are your purchase options:
- Buy the edited DVD for $10.
- Buy the original + Edited DVD for $20
Well, the first option is clearly illegal because there is no license for the content guaranteed. The second option means that the company would have had to violate the DVD encryption and the DMCA in order to edit and sell the DVD, unless they had a contract from the DVD publisher. Which I think it's safe they say they did not, or they wouldn't be sued.
Here's the problem I have with this argument. They are unwilling to make an argument. They don't want to go to the movie producer and say "Look, we have an interesting business idea for you, we'd like to make available 'edited for TV' versions of your movies on DVD because there is a market there for this." Nope, instead they went and did it without permission.
The same with music, people want NSync and JLo music for free, not recognizing that the only reason they are popular is because the recording companies advertised the hell out of them. They aren't willing to promote bands who are willing to give their stuff away for free. Why? Well because those bands suck, nobody has heard of them.
You can't win with these tactics. You don't take other peoples stuff and do your own thing with it. You create your own stuff and do your own thing with it.
On that standpoin the Open Source software folks have the right idea.
July 9, 2006 7:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
Slander, plagiarism, false attribution--whatever, if you're only objection is to falsely claim that my edited copy is the original, then I share the objection. If you want to stop me from editing the copy that I purchased, without making any sort of false claims, then we are completely at odds.
I wouldn't be here without my parents, but my parents don't get to dictate my life. Just because you create it doesn't mean it belongs to you--the artist is a part of the work, but is not the entirety of the work. Every song is an echo of the harmony of spheres, every painting is a reflection of God's landscape.
July 9, 2006 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Oh, good. You hold my position.
(Actually, the Bible is a bad example of that, given that the authorship of it is in doubt, but I'm not the one who brought it up...)
July 9, 2006 8:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Who the heck cares whether they had permission or not? The question from a POLICY standpoint (I realize that copyright law may consider this infringement) is whether CleanFlix is a pirate or whether they are adding value. Adding value is the purpose of Copyright, or as the constitution puts it, to "promote the progress of science and the useful arts".
Bear in mind that there are lots of directors who buy into the auteur theory and would never allow a studio to license a film to a company like CleanFlix. So licensing won't work (unless the government makes it compulsory, which would make the DGA scream). Otherwise, you need to just allow CleanFlix to do what is doing. That it may not be allowed to do so shows a serious problem with the copyright laws.
By the way, I say this as a person who would NEVER knowingly buy a censored DVD.
July 9, 2006 11:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The policy distinction is whether the unauthorized copy is transforming the work or adding value, or whether the person is just copying and diverting sales. In the former circumstance, society is better off if we allow the copying.
We would probably understand this better if everyone didn't have the "property" model in their head. Intellectual property is not real estate. More than one person can use it at the same time. The question is which of the multiple users we permit.
July 9, 2006 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
You've identified the legal issue but not the policy issue. While I agree it does turn on whether they are making copies, it shouldn't. It should turn on whether the copies they are making divert sales or provide a social benefit (defined as something that people want and will pay for).
In that sense, CleanFlix is no different than a contractor that alters the DVD's after the fact. They should be treated the same under the law, though I agree they are not now.
July 9, 2006 11:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just as intellectual property is not real estate, a home video copy of a work is not an original sculpture.
Again, arguing the policy (I realize certain alterations are prohibited by copyright law), I should be able to alter a mass-produced COPY of a copyrighted film that I own any way I wish to. Other than hurting the director's feelings, it causes no injury whatsoever if I do.
July 9, 2006 11:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Bev, every time a person leaves a theater for popcorn and misses a plot point, they see a different film than the artist intended. Every time a person hits fast forward, they see a different film than the artist intended. Every time a person watches an edited version on an airplane or television, they see a different film than the arist intended.
The fact is, CleanFlix is one more way in which people can see movies in ways other than the way the artist intended. It doesn't interfere with people seeing the uncensored versions if that is what they want to see.
(Further, I might note that the theatrical release versions of many movies are not made the way the artist truly intended, because the artist almost never has the final cut.)
July 9, 2006 11:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Copyright isn't solely about protecting the right to distribute one's own work, although as Mike points out, infringement can erode that right, and that's important. It's mostly, however, about who owns a work and who gets to say what consitutes the work. It doesn't have to be about that to deserve saving, as making money off one's work is fine, but it can be."
That is not true. The purpose of Copyright is expressed in Art. I Section 8 of the Constitution-- and it is to promote the production of new works by creating an incentive to create.
It has nothing to do with "ownership". "Ownership" and "intellectual property" are METAPHORS to describe the bundle of rights that a copyright proprietor holds. But they are VERY different than tangible property rights, and even under our rather strict copyright laws, you do not own a work in the same sense that you own a home. Rather, you have a limited-in-time right to prevent others from doing certain things but not other things with your work, subject to their right to do even the things that are normally prohibited for certain purposes so long as they do not use too much of the work.
July 9, 2006 11:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
The real problem here is that our copyright laws, since the 1960s, have moved increasingly pro-corporate. And further and further away from what the original intention of "copyright" was in our Constitution. (The framework of the law actually pre-dates that document.)
Our first copyright law, in 1790, allowed a term of exclusivity for the author/inventor for 14 years. As others have already pointed out, the idea was that the creator would make some money off it, but then after a reasonable amount of time, the work would be placed into the commons, for the public good.
Today, after Congress has messed with the law, that term of exclusivity has been increased to 95 years. Lessig details all this quite clearly in Free Culture.
The point is that our copyright laws today serve corporations, not the public.
To argue the director deserves to have his or her original vision served requires accepting the idea that intellectual property is equal to physical property -- I "own" it, and you can't have it.
That's the game the movie and recording industry lobbies play. But it has nothing to do with the concept of "copyright."
Protecting someone's artistic vision is a tempting pitch, but it's a pitch that was created by corporate lobbies and a willing Congress, and it has nothing to do with serving the public's interest.
Lessig makes this argument quite eloquently and coherently in his book, and I suggest people read that, before defending an artist's right to never-ending (in all practicality) exclusivity.
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July 10, 2006 7:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I understand what you're saying, I disagree. While you may find a certain message or lesson in a work of art, others might find an entirely different message and messages and lessons change from one generation to another. Viewing art is both subjective and objective. I can tell you what a work of art means to me, but I cannot tell you what the meaning is of the artist. In fact, I would guess that the meaning of a work of art changes for the artist over time. Just one example would be Warhol's soupcan label - he gave so many explanations of it over the years, that frankly, I don't think he knew exactly what it meant or remembered what it meant at the time.
July 10, 2006 11:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Until you can tell me the universal value of protecting art, given the lack of Constitutional, statutory, and copyright regulatory guidance, I have to say that "art" conveys no special requirements on the holder to protect and preserve.
If it is a universal responsibility, what should be the response of a devout Muslim to this portrait of Muhammad dictating the Koran to a scribe?
What disciplines do you consider to be within the protected realm of art? My sketches of the cat next to me clearly are visual art of questionable skill, but they are clearly my own work. Now, take any of the Star Wars movies. Who is the artist whose rights must be preserved? If you acknowledge multiple artists, what if their opinion is different? Does the fact that the movie was produced as a commercial endeavor and financed by stone-hearted financial people have anything to do with rights? If the financial people decided that pulling all copies off the market for a time is optimal for them, can they do so?
A real challenge: Frank Sinatra gave a brilliant performance in The Manchurian Candidate. Horrified by the possibility of copycats, he bought up all available copies with the intention that they never be shown. Does his right supercede the rights of those that would watch this piece of visual and performance art?
Again, what constitutes the arts? Visual only? You dismissed Gacy and Hitler and Churchill as unskilled and unworthy, so who decides when an opus deserves the Protection of Art?
Music? Dramatic performances? Fiction? Nonfiction, remembering histories and biographies have been lasting treasures--Homer is not art? The ill-defined emerging category of "performance art", even if the performance a one-time act, and that the performer forbids recording?
That last seems to set the rights of the artist against the societal right and rsponsibility you are claiming.
--
Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 10, 2006 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think your analogy is particularly apt.
I had seen nothing to indicate that CleanFlix was claiming that this movies were unedited (in fact, such a claim would seem to run counter to their marketing goals). So it's not really like they are manipulating the work of the creator to make it look like he / she is saying something he / she is really not - they fully admit that they are creating a presentation of the film without the "naughty bits."
It also seems, like others have mentioned, like you are trying to strap some sort of moral argument onto a system which isn't designed to accomodate anything like it - copyright is about rewarding creativity by allowing creators to make some money off their creations, not enforcing some abstract right against manipulation. Indeed, the recognition of derivative works in copyright law would seem to be a direct indication that the law does not support the type of protections you're calling for.
One final question - does your disdain also cover the practice among some retailers of editing music to remove profanity, even over the objection of the artist, or the practice of recording companies suing file-sharers, even when the artist is fine with it? Both of these are considered to be acceptable under current copyright law, despite violating the artist's rights as it seems you describe them.
July 10, 2006 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, that was my point - we protect all artists with the copyright laws, because we don't know.
A collaborative effort is protected as a whole.
Star Wars is the vision of Lucas, he owns it, he can do with it what he pleases. However, buying a copy of the film doesn't give anyone the right to edit it or change it. The copyright laws protect Lucas from anyone doing just that.
Frank Sinatra didn't own the copyright to "The Manchurian Candidate".
Yes, music, drama, fiction, non-fiction, poetry, sculpture, painting is art. Not all art, though, is equal. We can enjoy it all, but some people are better artists than other. It is also physically impossible to "save" all art, but that which is good, should be saved. I think that Falling Water is as deserving of preservation as Versailles.
Performance art isn't meant to be "saved". It is ephemeral in concept and its nature.
On reflection, performance art is a good example of what I am getting at - if we don't understand it, if we are not educated, if we don't understand its purpose, then we can't make value judgements and discern what is good and what is bad. Not all art is equal, but all artists deserve protection from others poaching their work.
If I purchased your photographs and cropped them the way I would like them and then sell them as your work, I don't think you would think that is fair or right. And it wouldn't be.
July 10, 2006 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let me offer something of a counterexample, just showing the complexity of it all. A friend of mine just returned from a tour in Iraq as an Army photojournalist. She's gone to reserve status and finishing a fine arts degree, and hoping then to get into architecture school.
Jen is an excellent photographer, both in terms of journalistic assignments and her personal, more artistic work. Now, the Army specifies that work done by government personnel is not copyrighted, but they are quite good at giving credit to the military photographers.
She found one of her photographs being used on a website, in a context intensely opposed to her political views. They had placed her credit in a way that suggested that the photographer endorsed the image's use in this particular context.
OK, no copyright, by law. She wrote to the website, asking that they remove her name from the picture used in that context. They didn't, and indeed refused to add her protest to the page.
No, I do not accept that performance art necessarily has to be protected because we don't understand it. Some performance art becomes a public nuisance, if, for example, involving a public street. Make up your mind. If all artists deserve protection, with which I do not agree, your classifying Hitler and Churchill as Sunday painters becomes irrelevant. It sounds as if an artist, to you, is anyone who claims their work is art.
A friend of mine just did a social work internship in a Canadian prison, doing visual, written, and musical art work with prisoners in maximum security. She describes some of the work as stunningly good, but prison regulations restrict its external distribution. Incidentally, she's not easy to con -- a real success story of rising above a very bad childhood, and living on the street.
When a prison, for disciplinary reasons, has a prisoner in ultramaximum security, they often very much restrict access to the outside world as a means of negative reinforcement. I don't know if he's still around, but there was a man named Silverstein kept in a prison-within-a-prison at Leavenworth. He eventually did get pencils and paper, and some of his sketches leaked out. They are magnificent.
Silverstein is in that extreme imprisonment because he killed not only inmates, but correctional officers, and on several occasions. In an interview, the warden said that they needed some ultimate sanction against the worst cases. Silverstein clearly is one of them, but, at least to me, he's a talented artist. How are the rights of art balanced against the needs of discipline here? -- Howard
*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*
July 10, 2006 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Copyright doesn't prevent us from "standing on the shoulders of giants." It protects the giants from alteration before we meet them and admire them.
July 10, 2006 3:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Copyright law implicitly protects the integrity of a work. It's really simple: the copyright holder is the only entity with the right to publish a work - with or without modifications (of course this right only lasts -- or at least used to -- a limited amount of time). If anyone is allowed to modify and republish a copyrighted work then copyright has no meaning.
Someone mentioned movies edited for in-flight viewing etc. That's a great example, because in that case the edits are made with the copyright holders' (ie. studios) consent, and it is also well known that some directors refuse to have their movies edited thusly. That's IMO exactly as it should be.
Besides, I have absolutely no respect for censorship and bowdlerization. If you don't like a movie, don't watch it, but don't butcher it -- or just wait until its copyright expires and then do whatever you want with it. People who want to promote creativity need to campaign for shortening of copyright terms, not for religiously driven bastardization of art.
July 10, 2006 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just curious, suppose a group like CleanFlix came up with a different business model and software tool. Instead of modifying a movie in any way perceptible to a human viewer, suppose they tagged the film in some way that was readable only by machine, and provided an index with a list of scenes that they identified as potentially objectionable. It would then be up to the viewer to select the scenes they wanted expurgated from a menu, and when they watched the film the DVD player would automatically advance the movie past those scenes. The tagging mechanism could actually work as an overlay (ie. Scene N, from time XXhrs:YYmins:ZZsecs to time AAHrs:BBmins:CCsecs, contains nudity) so that the underlying film was not altered in any way except when viewed through this mechanism. In fact, once the tagging was done, you could go buy a copy of the unmodified film from Amazon.com and play it through this mechanism.
In this scenario, CleanFlix would not be altering the film at all; its viewers would be altering it virtually.
Would such a scheme satisfy both Nathan and those who insist on artistic integrity? As far as I know, no conception of copyright prevents me from buying a reproduction of the Mona Lisa and looking at it through a collander.
July 11, 2006 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just noticed that my idea is a lot like Jerry's above, with the differences that CleanFlix would not actually be distributing the DVD, only the edit list, and that the customers would be choosing which edits to apply.
July 11, 2006 12:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could injure the director's professional reputation and career prospects, not just his feelings, if you alter several thousand copies of a copyrighted film and sell it, or, in principle, even if you alter just one and show it to your kids, who may have better tast than you. I agree that this sort of injury is not what copyright law should be about, but it's just not true that what CleanFlix was doing is obviously harmless.
July 12, 2006 2:13 PM | Reply | Permalink