TPMCafe
« Lieberman/Lamont Discussion Post | Home | Say It Isn't So, Joe »

Claw marks on power

user-pic

Tonight's debate between Senator Joe Lieberman and challenger Ned Lamont shows the older senator cool in the tactics of television debate. There are moments where Lamont clearly is, well, not a politician, in handing himself on the podium. There are wobbles, holds, and moments where he has to think, rather than simply regurgiate.

But that scraping noise you here in the background is the claws on power of Joe Lieberman scraping as he falls ever farther down the well. He insulted his opponent, and spilled out excuses for a record in power, and acted in that kind of arrogant and domineering way that someone too mixed up in power for too long does when forced to show itself.

Perhaps Lamont was not as polished as he could have been, but he has held up a mirror to the face of power.

The back drop of this debate is Lieberman's declaration that he will run regardless of the outcome of the primary. It is the breaking into the open of a war between establishment insiders and the base of the party. This war is beyond ideology, it features progressive darlings such as Boxer going out for Lieberman, not merely pro forma supporting him. It featured a month long weasel word fest from Senator Chuck Schumer about whether the DSCC would back Lieberman if he ran as an independent.

The opening statements set the tone - with Ned Lamont making an open appeal to primary voters who are involved in their communities, with Lieberman taking an almost snide tone in his declaration of why he needs to be sent back to Washington. America hates people who have become Washingtonized, and this moment was one reason. People vote for representatives so that the world close to home can be taken care of. They want people in Washington who haven't forgotten that life is about roads, schools, hospitals and jobs - not about some personal quest for aggrandizement.

Lieberman rode a wave of anger at another Senator into power, with some of the most brutal and stinging negative adds run to that time. Lieberman is still at home in the small screen world of small screen politics. He filled the podium easily, he seemed like he was in his living room almost chatting with, and chatting up, the moderator.

Lamont on the other hand, his thin face bringing back to mind every preacher, every Jimmy Stewart movie. It is something potent and powerful in American politics, where "angry" is bad, because it signified people who can't make it. But "outrage" is good, because it signifies people who have made it who will suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous inbreed power no longer, but have, by taking arms against a sea of troubles, decided to end them.

It is a thin face that was last seen thundering across the political landscape during the tax revolts of the late 1970's, and found its final form with a gaunt one time actor spitting out: "Government isn't the answer, government is the problem." Lamont's straight forward gutting of the fog of Lieberman's excuses about the war and the rush to it had the same quality. Lamont is here, in his own terms, to get the war off of people's backs.

Wars in Democracies are often like this - entered into with an easy sense of superiority at a nation of consent and consensus - and ended in the same way, with a sense of frustration that arms and men cannot make republics. This is why American wars have often been very short, or very long.

Lieberman, a child of the Reagan generation, with its easy arrogance of power, thinking that all that was needed to run the world was a certain sharpness, has failed to understand that whole eras of American government have been made, or broken, on the backs of a single throw of the dice.

It was Jackson's easy little war against the Cherokee that opened up the rest of the deep south. It was Tyler's belated commitment to a war in Texas that opened up the chance for Polk to take the Presidency, and then Taylor to take it back for the Whigs. The run of victories created an easy arrogance of power around a southern officer class, which then proceded to commit to a "War between the States" even as prominent Republicans in the Union wanted an external war to unify the nation.

The liberal coalition won a string of the largest wars in history - World War I and World War II, plus creating and effectively winning the Cold War, though fewer people knew it at the time than history has made evident. However this easy arrogance of victory of mobilization and brain power became lost in the quagmire.

The reactionary era, which began inauspiciously with Nixon's slender victory in 1969 came because a large section of Americans decided they wanted a reactionary republic to work, and gave it chance after chance. The gave it credit for winning the cold war, for surviving the demographic crime wave. Thus a crop of leaders, secure in the belief that all that was really needed was to hit the right angle and ride out the temporary ride out the ups and downs.

This arrogance was writ large on Lieberman, a man whose career came by tacking back and forth. Taking left symbolically on issues such as global warming, but then right when it came to needling the progressive ideas of his own party. It was bipartisanship in the same sense the brokeback marriages are bisexual. This process has won him defenders among his fellow Senate Democrats - from conservative Ken Salazar, to progressive Barbara Boxer. He's often there on the little vote, that senators go back to their constituents with, small bones to make up for the vast sell outs of the past 30 years.

The difference in demeanor of the Senator from Connecticut has been remarked - he was deferential and low key with Cheney, but nasty and brutal with Lamont. The conclusion - Lieberman is really a member of "that other Republican Party", and finds little real difference with Cheney, but must slag anyone who attempts to be a Democrat in his sight and hearing. Lieberman is like Treasury Secretary Paulsen, a moderate Republican concerned a bit, but not too much, about the costs of our present way of doing business.

But this is a year where the god of small things is no longer watching over incumbents, because the small things have been going wrong for Americans. And in such times, they don't blame their own small decisions, but the large looming clouds. Two hang over Lieberman in specific: one is the war, and the other is his absence of leadership. He is, in almost all respects, an anti-leader. The iconic hero of people who want government to do nothing efficiently, and who feel that being unattached to "either extreme" is the mark of a great statesman.

This logic has buffered his career, and he ran back to it tonight in attempting to needle Lamont as being stupid. But it made no headway, because Lieberman's judgment has been wrong - and his commitment to an extremist war, and his unwillingness to dig down and fight an extremist judiciary, have led him to a place where his party core does not support him. This is coupled with the economic reality that the metropolitan economy, resurgent, even if grungy and not resplendent, under Clinton, has turned hard and slow. The very smart people who, in Lamont's words "play by the rules and make good decisions" are not seeing rewards in general, beyond a booming hedge fund market in a small corner of the state. The Republican squeeze on blue states, both in terms of inflation policy and pork policy, has made for an angry electorate that does not like Mr. George Walker Bush.

Thus the person who is committing political suicide is Lieberman, and he is dragging down with him a party establishment willing to spend millions to protect itself, rather than go on the attack against the Republicans. The whole reason for nominating right leaning Democrats in Pennsylvania and Virginia, is that they would save money for harder fights elsewhere. But Lieberman is spending the money that might be needed to send Claire to the Senate, or perhaps to stage an upset in Montana.

This dynamic, where the Democratic Party is willing to do its all to protect the policies of George Walker Bush, regardless of the wishes of the electorate, is the ur source of the Lieberman sneer, and the ur reason that those who get to know Ned, seem to like him. After all, if Lamont were still polling at 10% of the primary electorate, the spectacle of Lieberman looking into the camera and telling a multi-millionaire businessman that he is stupid, would not have happened at all.

Thus the image that we are likely to take away is the face of an earnest morality, a revolt against the slickness that Lieberman has come to represent, and a revolt against being bribed with small things, in order to bear the large penalties heaped upon us. Because Connecticut has a strong old yankee moral streak in its politics, and the long face of Ned Lamont stares back into its puritan origins, and by doing so, shaken of the label of angry, and replaced it with another.

Ned Lamont thumped the bible of American faith in doing well by doing good, and told Americans that the way out of the hell of Iraq, was to return to the gospel of hard work, and away from the get rich quick world of George Walker Bush and the Reagan Repetition.


30 Comments

| Leave a comment

I got the same impression -- the Jimmy Stewart one. And Lamont also reminded me of that fellow, I believe his name was Harry Taylor, who spoke up to Bush during one of his appearances, and later all the blogs noted Taylor's uncanny resemblance to one of Norman Rockwell's paintings (about the Four Freedoms).

I think Joe lost the debate for himself tonight. He sounded like a Republican and acted like a Fox-News republican. For someone so "polished," he should have sounded confident and charming; instead he came off as brutal and dismissive.

I think Lamont was very smart not to go for the jugular -- if he had the whole debate would have devolved into the usual neocon talk radio everyone-speaking-at-once shoutfest.

I liked what Lamont said but I am a supporter, so I can't claim to be objective. But I really thought Joe lost this one for himself tonight.

Now it's up to the voters of CT -- and I'll be watching this race closely.

Excellent post, Stirling, as usual!

Didn't get a chance to watch the debate, as I was watching a production of Sam Shepard's new play, God of Hell But generally Lieberman comes across rather like the Claude Rains Character,Sen. Joseph Harrison Paine in the Mr. Smith Goes to Washington film. Not the graft bit, but the "go along and listen to the older wiser guy bit." Sanctimonious and just a wee bit sleazy. Great post. For the one or two (maybe three) who don't know the movie...here's a link:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0031679/

Mike

"It is the breaking into the open of a war between establishment insiders and the base of the party."

The 'netroots' are not the base of the party.

The 'netroots' are an overwhelmingly upscale, white, well-educated wing of the Democratic party, more concerned with social and foreign policy issues than the economic issues that motivate the actual Democratic base.

Folks like Chuck Schumer and Barbara Boxer are much more interested in representing the base than the 'netroots' are.

The base of the party in CT are African-Americans and blue collar whites. The verdict on Lieberman will come from them, not from the 'netroots'.

I'm impressed by how profoundly shallow your analysis is. The fight between the new political space and Lieberman goes way back. The decision to circumvent the primary system, however, is a slap at primary voters. These people are the base of the party.

And as for the relationship between African American voters and the DC establishment, they have been troubled for a very long time, because, in the view of many in the Democratic African American community, the leadership has all too often not been there on the issues.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

Hence I found this interesting:

Hartford Courant, June 30:

Seeking to combat his portrayal as an out-of-touch Greenwich millionaire, Democratic Senate challenger Ned Lamont will run a new commercial this weekend that features praise and encouragement from black and Hispanic students he has tutored in inner-city Bridgeport.

Lamont, who is facing U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman in the Aug. 8 primary, is attempting to block the brickbats hurled at him by Lieberman's supporters questioning how he can relate to the needs of the poor and the middle class.....

I saw a photo related to this particular ad campaign: 5 smiling teen kids "of color" happy as clams to be with teacher Ned.

Also I note that his website is a very simple, humble affair, easy to navigate & written at a relatively low reading level, even though I am sure that his netroots fans combined with his money could get him all the bells and whistles one might want. Also, if you click on "about Ned" (first name used,) you will read that he and his family live in "Fairfield County," not Greenwich.

Bridgeport, that's the ticket.

We'll see how it goes soon enough; after all, they're both rich white bossman types.

;-)

"We'll see how it goes soon enough; after all, they're both rich white bossman types."

If Liberman wins the primary, it'll be because they don't both play that way in CT politics.

Lieberman should have a significant class and ethnic advantage over a Greenwich Yankee. It's the only reason his problems are potentially survivable in the primary.

If its economic issues that motivate the Democratic base, why all the times the Dems have focused so heavily on the economy (and ignoring things like the war) that they have lost in recent years?

Iraq and the economy are the same issue. And the democrats were not focused on "the economy" but on marginal bribes for the middle class.

People aren't going to trade victory and tax cuts for slightly better medicare.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

If you believe this, then you haven't looked at how the war is viewed by the working Democrats in the city environment. Ned had much of his strongest grass roots support in Hartford and other places where the voting population is not exactly upscale.

It is Joe Lieberman whose base is the upper middle class. It's interesting how his proxies are going down scale at this particular moment, it reeks of a dishonest desperation.

Stirling Newberry http://www.bopnews.com

This war is beyond ideology, it features progressive darlings such as Boxer going out for Lieberman, not merely pro forma supporting him.

My understanding is that the announcement that Boxer would be stumping for Lieberman came out of the Lieberman campaign, and Boxer is stepping away from the idea if not completely disowning the idea.

Kudos to HRC for announcing that she will respect the decision of the Democratic primary voters in CT. The timing was significant. Schumer's weasel words about DSCC support are a disgrace. That and his involvement in the Hackett fiasco throw into stark relief the sense of entitlement in the Senate. Perhaps when Dewine is reelected in Ohio, someone can ask for his head.

Assuming Lieberman loses the primary and wins reelection as a moderate Republican, I wonder if he will still be attractive to McCain as his 08 running mate?

If we could only get as much passion into defeating Republicans as we do in political infighting...

Every dollar spent on this primary could have been spent helping a Democrat in a shaky race instead. I don't have any strong feelings about either candidate, although I think Lieberman is a bit too conservative, but then so is much of the country these days.

Statistically speaking the Dems have a remote chance of winning either the house or senate and all this internal squabbling is music to the ears of Karl Rove.

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

My initial impression on this Connecticut race is the same as yours: seeing all the passion against Lieberman would be best spent fighting to win every other seat held by a Republican. However, maybe replacing Lieberman is the first step toward eventually recapturing the political marketplace of ideas. Running just slightly to the left of the conservatives has only served to find us in the minority in all three branches of government.

In defense of "infighting" and maybe also the "50 state strategy," I must say that the point is not to fill the Senate with right wing Democrats, but instead to shift it leftward.

Establishment types want to hammer away on liberal Republicans where they think the electorate is more receptive. The problem is not liberal Republicans though. Similarly, if you have a Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman who supports swindles and lies, it doesn't really matter that they happen to have a "D" next to their name.

Lamont supporters should take solace in this iron-clad rule of TV debates: They don't matter much.

Polls showed that Kerry won every debate with Bush. Walter Mondale was said to have slapped down Reagan in debates, and he actually outpolled Reagan for the only time in the campaign after the "Where's the Beef" line.

Much is made of the Nixon JFK debate, but it all focuses on sweating and five o' clock shadow. Radio listeners thought Nixon won handily.

As long as Lamont doesn't hand Joe a Bob Dole "Democrat Wars" line or Ford's bizarre claim that eastern Europe wasn't dominated by the USSR, Lamont supporters shouldn't worry.

King Elvis: "" I must say that the point is not to fill the Senate with right wing Democrats, but instead to shift it leftward."

Why is it so hard for this elementary and basic point to resonate more than it does? We do not want a Democratic administration, Congress, Judiciary whatever, leading the country in the same essential direction as the Republicans. We want to change the direction of this country in some basic ways. Government for people not corporations, care for the environment, human and civil rights, and a foreign policy that promotes peace and justice not American domination and war.

I think Joe lost the debate for himself tonight. He sounded like a Republican and acted like a Fox-News republican. For someone so "polished," he should have sounded confident and charming; instead he came off as brutal and dismissive.

Brutal and dismissive. I think if there's one thing that everyone who votes in the next several years will be voting against, it will be the brutishness and scorn which has been the trademark of the right.

You're not wrong about possible outcomes, but you may have lost touch with the democratic process. The left, at its best, fights from county level on outward and upward, not from the top down. Unlike the right which has won two elections precisely because it's willing to trade democratic process for a Karl Rove (and others at high levels) pulling strings, organizing autocratically, from the center outward, from the top down. Of course it's tempting to emulate them, play dirty and win. But it's not democracy. That leaves us with a choice.

There's also the fact that, should Lieberman win, he will not be the same Lieberman who's been oiling his way along the floor of the Senate. He will have been made aware that he's no longer respected by a serious chunk of his party. He has been testing too many old friends a little too hard. Unless he's a robot, that should make him less willing to continue in his role as vinyl doll to the Administration's voracious appetites.

Yes, there was a time that Democrats were the reactionaries and Republicans the party of 'reform.' If every member of the GOP had Arnold Scwarznegger's views on energy and transportation, I'd probably vote GOP. If they were all like Arlen Specter on women's rights or McCain on campaign finance, they'd be great.

I remember during the Vietnam War how the war Democrats, Johnson and Humphrey and how can we forget Scoop, were as bad if not worse than the Republicans on this central issue.

Mondale used his "where's the beef" line against Gary Hart during the primaries.

Ironically, Hart had some quite substantial ideas.

Lamont needed mostly to show that he was capable of standing on the same stage with Lieberman. That he did.

Lieberman needed to show that his experience could benefit the state more than the Lamont's different policy approach might. That he did not do.

Worse, he showed that his personality is an affront to the Democratic Party voters who must decide between the two. Lamont might have exhibited some lack of polish last night, but Lieberman showed a total lack of humanity.

Why do we want to send a thug back to the Senate? That's the question his performance raised. Even the Republicans will be reconsidering their posture if Lieberman can successfully plant himself on the ballot in November as an independent.

Lamont supporters should take solace in this iron-clad rule of TV debates: They don't matter much.

Is your point that you think Lamont lost the debate? It's hard to figure out, is there any post-debate polling we can look at?

By the way, I think you're wrong about debates, especially for the non-incumbent, so I'm curious about Lamont. Debates are a chance for outsiders to establish their legitimacy and 'weightiness' up against an incumbent. Bush, for example, accomplished that in 2000, but only with the aid of the anti-Gore punditocracy, which took Gore's debate win and lied and poor-mouthed it into a loss, and did the reverse for Bush.

I thought it was Reagan too. I do remember Mondale saying in 2004 during the Dem convention that he only polled above Reagan after he triumphed in one of the debates.

I didn't see the debate, just reacting to the Conventional Wisdom that Lieberman opened up the proverbial can a' woop@ss.

I have never once watched a debate and thought, "Hey y,know I'm voting Republican - this guy's very convincing."

Even among that increasingly narrow "swing vote" or independent vote, do the debates really matter much? As said before, I think "swingers" (I like that name better!) would only react to some king sized blunder.

The debates on who won debates are all double talk from partisans about how their guy either won on points or won the "perception" game. I remember BushCo's claims about their guy were laughable. They basically maintained that as long as Bush didn't defecate in his pants or scream "NAZIS NAZIS" he 'won.'

I'm not defending Lieberman, but...

What is the objection to him other than his stance on Iraq? By the time the elections are over the situation in Iraq is likely to be much different than now. So are we supposed to be punishing him for what he did in the past?

Kissing the ring of the mafia don doesn't mean you love him, it means you are willing to kowtow to power in the hopes of getting something in return (say keeping the facility at Groton open).

The dems put through lots of good policies during the period that they were allied with the Dixiecrats. That's the way politics works, something about "strange bedfellows" as I recall.

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

A good point, and needed injection of reality in the debate debate. Nice "long view."

But,

Didn't Lieberman sign on to the Social Security swindle from Bush? That'd be a major reason to vote him down.

What is the objection to him other than his stance on Iraq?

You mean besides just about everything else?

Seriously, any time there is a difficult issue, you can count on Joe Lieberman to vote with the Republicans.

  • He weaseled on the Bankruptcy Bill: a successful filibuster might have been able to force some badly needed changes, but Ol' Joe voted for cloture. Then, when the bill was guaranteed to pass, he put in a purely symbolic vote against it. He voted for it before he voted against it, in other words, but the vote that counted for something was the vote to end the filibuster.
  • He waffled in and out of the "Fainthearted Faction" on Social Security phase-out. (At one time, Josh had even designated him the faction's dean.) I think he finally came out against the Bush proposal -- once it became clear that was the safe position -- but I would hardly count him as a solid vote in support of Social Security.
  • He voted to confirm both John Roberts and Sam Alito.
  • He keeps rather creepy company: He won his Senate seat in 1988 with the support of William F. Buckley; he has teamed up with William Bennett; and his political allies include right-wing Miami Cubans.
  • Time and again, he has scolded fellow Democrats who have the temerity to be critical of George Bush. What's an opposition party for, if it's not to oppose once in a while?
He's been playing both sides of the fence for most of his political career. I can't feel too bad for him if he's about to be impaled on it.

1)"What is the objection to him other than his stance on Iraq?"

small matter indeed. He has attacked antiwar Democrats as unpatriotic but he is definitely deserving of our votes and perhaps financial contributions. "kick me, kick me, I'm a liberal" Why even raise such a small matter...very impolite.


2)"By the time the elections are over the situation in Iraq is likely to be much different than now. "

maybe his votes on Iraq give you some idea of how he approaches Iran? Maybe the situation in Iraq, different from now, will be worse? Maybe Joe will continue to support policies that make the situation even worse?

3)"Kissing the ring of the mafia don doesn't mean you love him, it means you are willing to kowtow to power in the hopes of getting something in return"

and again, why do we have to kiss his finger? I know HE expects it but I guess if you are on your knees already to receive the kick (see 1 above), you can turn around and kiss the ring.


4)"The dems put through lots of good policies during the period that they were allied with the Dixiecrats."

and not only that, the civil-rights-Dems only really disagreed with the Dixiecrats on the one small issue of segregation and lynchings and voting rights. Why the hell DID they keep raising these nagging issues? Why DID all those integrationist Dems refuse to vote or support segregationist Dixiecrats over one single issue. Damn one-issue leftists!!!

"that should make him less willing to continue in his role as vinyl doll to the Administration's voracious appetites."

or, feeling betrayed by "garden slug" Dems who think for themselves, he becomes still more prickly until at a key moment, like Zell Miller, we hear how "he hasn't left the party, the party left him" as he endorses the Republican standard bearer in 2008.

I strongly second your comments about Schumer. Lieberman himself raises the issue of his running as an independent and the DSCC refuses to state clearly what its policy will be if the Democratic candidate is not Lieberman. What the DSCC is in other words is an elite club quite distinct from the political party that calls itself Democratic. I would urge anyone who wishes to support a Democratic candidate to do so directly without the intermediate intervention of the club.

"It is Joe Lieberman whose base is the upper middle class. It's interesting how his proxies are going down scale at this particular moment, it reeks of a dishonest desperation."

It is interesting to me how when anyone disagrees with the quality of your political wisdom, you accuse them of being someone's proxy or being paid off.

But beyond that, do you really think the Lamont vote on 8/8 won't be more upscale and better educated than the Lieberman vote? If you do, either you live in a similar uber-spin zone like Markos does, or you have a remarkably tenuous grasp on how the party factions break down in this race.

Leave a comment

Advertisement
Please disable your adblocker!
Ads are how we pay the bills!

Subscribe

The Coffee House
TPMCafe's regulars

House Brew
From Your Cafe Editor

Special Guests
Big names and big brains

Special Features
Pressing topics and trends

Table for One
An expert's week-long talk.

All Reader Posts
TPM readers discuss.

Recent Reader Posts

All Reader Posts »





Masthead

Editor-in-Chief
Josh Marshall

Site Editor
Lila Shapiro

Intern
Kyle Krahel-Frolander



Subscribe to TPMCafe's feed.
Subscribe to TPMCafe's reader blog feed.

Advertise Liberally
Share
Close Social Web Email

"To" Email Address

Your Name

Your Email Address