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The New Supreme Court is off to a bad start, sadly predictable as this may be. No common vision; good laws and regulations thrown out for silly reasons, proving again that in this era good government is impossible; the new justices supporting the elimination of various aspects of privacy that are essential to individualism in America. We can only hope that the conventional neo-con views necessary for these folks to get appointed are worn away quickly by time's river of experience.


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Each justice has an incremental effect, but no appointment swings the entire court. Roberts for Rehnquist was probably a wash, but Alito for O'Connor replaced a center-right Justice with a reliable conservative vote.

That said, the Court can still produce decent results sometimes. I happen to think the Vermont campaign finance decision, for all the splintering, makes sense. Expenditure limits are unconstitutional because they prohibit candidates from speaking; contribution limits are OK, but only if they are not so low that the inhibit the protected expenditures.

The confrontation clause cases are OK, in that they create a broader right for defendants to cross-examine accusers, while still allowing excited utterances such as 911 calls in. (I probably would have gone the other way on 911 calls, but at least this doctrine is significantly broader than it used to be.)

And today's Scalia opinion on the right to counsel is actually some of his best work-- joining with the liberals in a 5-4 decision to protect the right of defendants to choose their own lawyers, over Alito's dissent.

On the other hand, the death penalty and knock and announce cases are terrible.

This is the problem with evaluating the Supreme Court. It's somewhat more conservative. But until it issues a blockbuster ruling, nobody cares.

Agreed.  Drip, drip, drip -- and then, they came for me.

 You can tear down a brick wall just as surely by removing one brick at a time as by using a bulldozer to remove it all at once.  That is what we face now, with this court - one little brick at a time.

Hoppy in Sacramento

But there was no reason to oppose Alito or Roberts...it's all about keeping our "powder dry".

 

With Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito on this court for many years to come it probably is already far too late.  Better hope a dem wins the presidency in '08 because Ginsburg and Stevens will probably not make it through that term... 

Okay, stupid question time.  What particular rulings prompted this pessimistic post and commentary?  Or in other words, what have I missed?  

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Expenditure limits are unconstitutional because they prohibit candidates from speaking? I've never quite gotten that one. It certainly is a stretch for any "originalist" to make that argument.

Giving money to somebody is simply not the same as speaking. That was a terrible equation for the Court to draw back in the day. I'm encouraged that Stevens, at least, would be willing to overrule it. Stevens says:

As the Court of Appeals had recognized in Buckley v. Valeo, 519 F. 2d 821, 859 (CADC 1975) (en banc) (per curiam), our earlier jurisprudence provided solid support for treating these limits as permissible regulations of conduct rather than speech

Given that the three decades since Buckley was handed down have been witness to an increasing spiral of fundraising by political candidates, a degradation of the political process, and rampant corruption, I would prefer to see campaign finance return to the prior category of "conduct", not "speech".

I agree, giving money to somebody is not the same as speaking. Hence contribution limits, as long as they are not ridiculously low, are constitutional. The Vermont case decided yesterday reaffirms that.

But expenditures are not the same thing. An expenditure is where a candidate spends money in support of his or her own campaign. Spending your own money on advertisements and promotion is speech-- there's no First Amendment difference between placing an ad in the paper saying "you should care about global warming" and placing an ad that says "vote for me because I care about global warming". Both are speech.

So that's the wisdom of Buckley v. Valeo. When you are spending money on others, you are contributing, and that can be regulated. But when you are spending money to elect yourself, you aren't contributing, you are speaking.

I don't get the comment. The Supreme Court is criticized for not having a "common vision." They're not supposed to have a vision. They're supposed to decide the cases before them correctly. The court is also designed to encourage a diversity of vision--note all the concurring and dissenting opinions.
"Good laws and regulations thrown out for silly reasons"? Wonder what those would be. The Vermont campaign finance laws were invalidated on first amendment grounds. While I have sympathy with the view that contributions are more actions than speech, existing precedent doesn't necessarily support that view. The splintering of the opinions shows what a tough constitutional call this is.
"Elimination of various aspects of privacy"? The knock and announce case I guess. But that case turned on suppression of evidence following an entry that everybody agreed was illegal.

Seems to me like a pretty typical session--some good, some bad. No blockbusters.

Reed,

A nice opinionated post but would you care to provide some quantitative evidence to back your predictably dour outlook...

Just looking at the personalities involved in that fancy prison they operate out of, I wonder whether Scalia's and Thomas's dispositions will finally make Roberts and Alito want to keep their distance. Judiciously, of course.

Mind you, in-Court fisticuffs, bitter imprecations, purpled eyes, scowls and shrieks might make a nice change. As long as Nina is there to report on it...

I have to say, having met Clarence Thomas recently, that he's actually disturbingly likeable. And trust me- I REALLY wanted to hate him.

It's pretty much useless to rail against the justices. They are what they are. The fight has got to be 1) get a decent guy (appointer) in the white house- not just for the justices, but to protect ALL executive agencies, and 2) get a decent legislature to overrule neo-conservatist rulings on statutory grounds.

And it really hasn't been all bad- at least not as bad as it could have been. Statutes have to be written within Consitutional mandates. The fact is that they're often not because of lazy legislating. In this day and age, maybe a contrarian court isn't the worst thing. Keeps everybody on their toes.

Interesting about Thomas. And I certainly agree with your third paragraph. (And of course the second, though what are the chances...!)

Rather unhelpful. For instance, TPM Cafe itself had a post supportive of a ruling. Are you saying the 911 call cases were unprincipled and illogical? I'm with DE on the campaign funding case ... one written by Justice Breyer (well the plurality). The "old" Court (Scalia and the libs) protected the right to choose a lawyer of one's choice on Monday.

There were some trouble spots, like the DP case and the knock/announce ruling, but it would be helpful to include some detail with your cries of woe.

There is no law of nature that says that if a guy is "likable" he can't also be a danger to our nation. Not saying that Thomas is/is not dangerous to our nation, only that deriving it from his apparent "likability" is a non-sequitur

I don't get the comment. The Supreme Court is criticized for not having a "common vision." They're not supposed to have a vision. They're supposed to decide the cases before them correctly

Don't want to be the skunk at the party but isn't the Supreme Court itself the final arbiter as to what is "correct"?

No "spending your own money on your campaign" is not "speech". Speech is speech. That's all. Spending money is spending money. I agree with Justice Stevens that expenditure limits regulate conduct, not speech. If you say "I agree" and then proceed to disagree, you are not really agreeing, are you?

As Justice Byron White wrote, "The burden on actual speech by limitations on the spending of money is minimal and indirect. All rights of direct political expression and advocacy are retained."

In any case, the state has a compelling need to have its legislators spending their time on legislation, not on fundraising.

Sure, in the sense that a baseball umpire is the final arbiter or whether a pitch is a ball or strike. That doesn't mean those of us on sitting on the couch at home can't watch the instant replay and come to a different conclusion!

And of course, there's that checks and balances thing. There's always a chance the Constitution could be amended which effectively alters the Court's final decision. Plus the court itself sometimes reverses its own precedent.

Agreed on the (in)significance of his likeability. Just responding to the above posts about his personality. But I will say that, in addition to being likeable, I found him a bit more reasonable in his beliefs then is perhaps reflected in the opinions. It almost seemed like he felt that he had to be hyper-vigilant-conservative-legalistic man (side note- not a great super hero name) sometimes when it really wasn't so much what he believed. There are many possible reasons for this, and better minds then mine have studied the politics of the court without finding an answer. Part of that is the nature of the beast- 9 people, breathing the rarefied air of their little kingdom- of course they lose sight of reality. And maybe part of it is that he feels like that's his "role." (Which begs the question of whether liberals have had a part of backing him into that particular corner). But, like I said, no matter the reason, it is what it is, and there's no use agonizing over it when there's more important things to be done. At the risk of sounding like some Disney heroine, we can't give it up yet, PW! : )

OK, so your position is that the government can absolutely ban people from spending any money on advertising that discusses political issues? The government may prohibit me from placing an ad in the newspaper or on television, or buying a billboard, or hiring someone to pass out leaflets on a sidewalk?

Or is it only for advertising that advocates an election of a candidate? So I can run for Congress and buy an ad that says "do something about global warming", but if I place a similar ad that says "vote for me and I will do something about global warming", the government can ban it?

The problem is, spending money is a necessary component of speaking. In order to place an advertisement, you have to spend money. You also have to spend money to hire leafletters and print leaflets, to drive a sound truck, rent a microphone and loudspeakers, to purchase a megaphone, etc. All methods of communication to any more than a nominal number of people cost money.

Banning the expenditure is the same as banning the speech. Indeed, if expenditure limits are constitutional, it would suggest that the central intended purpose of the speech and press clauses of the First Amendment-- to prevent licensing of the press-- could have been circumvented just by requiring a license to spend MONEY on printing equipment.

I'm sorry, but one of the first things you learn when you give any thought to constitutional law is that not everything you'd like to do is constitutional. I understand the impulse to control political spending. But the contribution / expenditures divide set up by Buckley ensures that the government can't circumvent the First Amendment by placing limits on the spending of money to facilitate speech rather than limiting the speech directly.

Totally agree with you on that. If the Supreme Court Ruled e.g. that the Voting Rights Act was unconstitutional, that would be a final word, but it would be very wrong nonetheless. Which goes to show that this Supreme Court set-up might not have been the brightest idea our founding fathers had. I can think of a bit more sophisticated system than Nine old people wearing robes holding so much power. It is unreasonable to think that they will always get it right. In fact there is a high probability that they will frequently--throughout time--get it wrong, and the wrong decisions can accumulate and clog up the plumbing of our legal system over time. the

They're not supposed to have a vision. They're supposed to decide the cases before them correctly

Agree that there should not be a common vision. One of the reasons for lifetime appointments was that over time various Presidents would appoint justices so it was likely that we would get divergent views.

Frankly, I think the notion of the nine geezers, totally insulated from political and financial intimidation is one of the Founders most inspired ideas. Who else is going to protect the Constitution when doing so is unpopular? Just look at the flag desecration debate in Congress and ask yourself whether the Constitution is in safe hands with those guys.

The court has made mistakes from time to time, some very serious but I would submit that the very rareified nature of the institution, which we sometimes makes fun of, is part of what keeps such mistakes to a minimum.

 In my opinion, until the Supreme Court reverses itself and rules that corporations and other organizations are not persons, there can be no constitutional limitations on campaign spending.  Spending money to further a cause, whether that cause is the election of John Doe, or the passage of a law prohibiting flag burning, is a form of speech, just as broadcasting, publishing, blogging, sign bearing, demonstrating, etc. are forms of speech.  The first amendment prohibits laws restraining speech.

All of the misguided, in my opinion, efforts to pass campaign finance limitation laws should, instead, be spent on obtaining a Constitutional Amendment that limits the entire electoral process to registered voters.  That would limit campaigning, donating to campaigns, working on campaigns, signing petitions involving campaigns, and voting to registered voters.  Corporations cannot register to vote, therefore would be prohibitted from contributing anything at all politically. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

No "spending your own money on your campaign" is not "speech". Speech is speech. That's all. 

 

Why not limit the number of editorials that a newspaper can print supporting a candidate, on the basis that they have the "freedom of the press" to support the candidate, but not to spend money on printing up the ditorial in the paper?

 

Haven't you heard the recent story that people are considered regulati9ng blogs under campaign finance laws (with expressing support for a candidate on a blog considered to be equivalent to a financial contribution)?

 

As Justice Byron White wrote, "The burden on actual speech by limitations on the spending of money is minimal and indirect. All rights of direct political expression and advocacy are retained."

 

Justice White was a moron.  What good is "free speech" if you don't have the right to actually disseminate it - an act that takes money.

 

If we regulate what can be spent on a campaign, why not regulate how much space a newspaper can use editorializing about a campaign?  Say, a newspaper can only use 1,000,000 square inches of editorial space total supporting candidates on their editorial page (i.e. if the circulation is 20,000, it can only use 50 square inches of each paper on editorials about the campaign over the course of the year).  we are not regulating the freedom of the press here, mind you, just the freedom of the newspaper owner to spend money (i.e. on printing, paper, etc.)

 

"You say I'm a dreamer.  We're two of a kind.  Looking for some perfect world that we both know that we'll never find." - Thompson Twins, "Hold Me Now"

I would just settle for money not being speech.

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