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Speaking of blogofascism, people actually concerned about the expression of extremist anti-democratic political views on the internet might want to take a look at the repeatedly expressed opinion of conservative pundits -- on the radio, on the op-ed pages, in magazines, and, yes, on blogs -- that a free press is a luxury the nation can ill-afford in the 21st century threat environment.

I've gone through this all before, but the underlying view that liberal democracy is a source of weakness is, I think, deeply, deeply misguided. There's this line about how those who sacrifice liberty to gain security deserve neither, but even that, I think, actually tilts considerations more against liberty than I think needs to be conceded. It's just not the case historically that adopting more authoritarian forms of rule, with more all-pervasive surveillance and less morale-destroying media reports is a great strategy for national success.

I watched Michael Winterbottom's The Road to Guantanamo last night and what strikes you about it beyond the tragedy and immorality of it all is the sheer pointlessness and wastage of time and resources involved.

Which, when you think about it, is exactly what you would expect to happen in circumstances without public scrutiny or legal oversight. Mistakes happen in life, especially when people need to make decisions quickly, get pressed into unusual tasks, and are acting under extreme emotional pressure. Secrecy just leads mistakes to be covered up rather than corrected -- it breeds complacency and corruption. This is, at least roughly, why democracies keep surviving and outcompeting their rivals -- why more-and-more countries wind up adopting democratic institutions and gaining greater security and prosperity for it.

The right, I think, just doesn't get this. Lacks a fundamental faith that our basic institutions and customs are both very strong and highly adaptable to new kinds of problems. Instead, the knee-jerk response to everything is to jettison core elements of what got this country to where it was out of what amounts to panic.


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Yes, and that is why we need to elect Russ Feingold, for his steady leadership, his strength of character, and his political courage not to mention his abiity to string two sentences together and handle Tim Russert.

You have just described what has been wrong with our national security state practically since its inception.

Or John Edwards, who supports everything Feingold does, and can compete in the South.

What I've never been able to get is how it escapes these people how closely their attitudes and rhetoric mirror every authoritarian movement of the last century or two. Every time it's that dissent emboldens the enemy, that transparency is unsafe, that any restrictions on executive power are a sign of weakness ... every time it's exactly the same. Same temperament. Same bullying and intimidation. Same fear. Same sense of victimization. Even some of the exact same words.

How can they fail to notice? Or do they just not care?

from al gore's jan 16, 2006 speech, 'We the People' Must Save Our Constitution':

Vigilant adherence to the rule of law strengthens our democracy and strengthens America. It ensures that those who govern us operate within our constitutional structure, which means that our democratic institutions play their indispensable role in shaping policy and determining the direction of our nation. It means that the people of this nation ultimately determine its course and not executive officials operating in secret without constraint.

The rule of law makes us stronger by ensuring that decisions will be tested, studied, reviewed and examined through the processes of government that are designed to improve policy. And the knowledge that they will be reviewed prevents over-reaching and checks the accretion of power.

A commitment to openness, truthfulness and accountability also helps our country avoid many serious mistakes. Recently, for example, we learned from recently classified declassified documents that the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which authorized the tragic Vietnam war, was actually based on false information. We now know that the decision by Congress to authorize the Iraq War, 38 years later, was also based on false information. America would have been better off knowing the truth and avoiding both of these colossal mistakes in our history. Following the rule of law makes us safer, not more vulnerable.

Great take on this. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. This is the kind of pragmatic argument that the Right can’t dismiss without exposing its own distortions. And it is getting worse. The recent posturing about going after the media for revealing classified info is probably the most egregious perversion of our Constitutional balances yet. It does seem like they want to create a monarchy, but monarchy is too 19th century. I guess Big Brother or Dear Leader will have to do in the 21st century.

Maybe the press needs to take the administration to task for not spying enough. The first thing they did to realign for this GWOT was blur the line between foreign military and intelligence operations and domestic criminal law enforcement. Now, as they sift through and analyze enormous databases of personal information and financial transactions, thousands of crimes must be exposed from money laundering to tax evasion to SEC fraud. It is the duty of law enforcement to investigate and prosecute crimes as they become aware of them (of course, they probably are using this info against political enemies and radical left orgs). But if they actually started going after large corporate criminals or corrupt politicians or bogus organizations, our privacy protections would be restored pretty quickly.

I have to disagree that the right is operating out of panic. it's not a lack of faith in bedrock American political traditions, but a lack a basic support--and, in many cases, downright hostility--for them. They are not acting out of panic, but rather they are cold bloodedly fanning the public panic following 9/11 as a tool to achieve antidemocratic ends that they wished to achieve in any case. Or did you think Dick Cheney was an adherent of transparent Jeffersonian democracy on 9/10?

One might say that the "weakness" of liberal democracy is its greatest strength. It is not difficult to see why -- more strength for some equals less freedom for others. It is not a coincidence that the strongest (authoritarian) regimes have extremely poor long-term track record, and usually cause a near or complete destruction of a society.

The problem with "strength" is that once a course is set, it cannot be corrected. While strength may be advantageous in the short term, it leads to a disaster in the long term. Adaptability is the most important survival trait; perhaps this is lost on people who refuse to acknowledge evolution.

Matt is correct on secrecy -- it is poison. The history of Nazism and Communism outght to provide plentiful lessons on how secrecy can and will be used and abused if opportunity exists. Personally I am surprised (very unpleasantly) that the Bush administration's calls for secrecy have had as much success as they have. If we were in the middle of a world war, it might be understandable, but we're not.

It is ironic (but entirely typical) that an administration so keen on surveillance and information gathering does not wish to expose its inner workings. By their own logic, they must have something to hide.

People who don't know history are doomed to repeat it? That's the only explanation I can think of...

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Guantamo is just one tile in a much larger and darker mosaic. Not since the Great Depression has our democracy faced such a threat as it does today. 

Anatol Lieven in his 2002 LRB essay "The Push for War" concluded 

What we see now is the tragedy of a great country, with noble impulses, successful institutions, magnificent historical achievements and immense energies, which has become a menace to itself and to mankind.

Ronald Suskind 's new book confirms Lieven's prophecy and details its fulfillment.

License to lie (Salon Review)

In his devastating new book, Ron Suskind shows how 9/11 allowed George W. Bush and his shadowy courtier, Dick Cheney, to "create whatever reality was convenient."

Jun. 23, 2006 | If there are any observers who still deny that the Bush administration is the most secretive, vengeful, reality-averse, manipulative and arrogant government in U.S. history, they will have a lot of fast talking to do after reading Ron Suskind's new book, "The One Percent Doctrine." A meticulous work of reporting, based on interviews with nearly 100 well-placed sources, many of them members of the U.S. intelligence community, Suskind's book paints perhaps the most intimate and damning portrait yet of the Bush team.

As in "The Price of Loyalty," Suskind's great achievement here is to reveal how the Bush administration short-circuited and ultimately corrupted the way America's government is supposed to work. Actual coups d'état are lurid and violent and attract attention. As Suskind reveals, Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice and Rove pulled off a much more sophisticated job: a bureaucratic coup d'état. Without firing a shot, they silenced critics, squelched unwanted facts, and created their own false but salable reality. As a result, they were able to launch a war justified by lies and driven by nothing more than Bush's ignorant whim. It is, truly, the heist of the century.... 

We are in a peculiar moment, one in which our politicians seem unable to articulate or even grasp the train wreck unfolding in front of them. Someday in the future, if the Democratic Party manages to transform itself from a cowering shadow to something approaching sentience, perhaps what really happened during the Bush era will be publicly debated.

Perhaps then we can ask how it happened that the government of the United States was hijacked by a bullying, fact-averse religious fanatic and his puppetmaster, an evil courtier out of Shakespeare. How we were plunged into a disastrous war simply because a cabal of ideologues and right-wing zealots, operating in autocratic secrecy, decided they wanted war. And how all of the normal workings of a democratic government -- objective analysis, checks and balances, transparency -- were simply trashed by an administration waving the bloody shirt of "terror."

But there is little reason for optimism that such a reckoning will take place anytime soon. The Democrats' failure to address the historic debacle that is the Bush presidency is so vast, so complete, that it must stem from reasons deeper than merely its pathetic fear of appearing to be weak on "national security" -- that meaningless shibboleth invoked by political consultants who would nervously triangulate if they were being devoured by a great white shark. Even the most hawkish Democrat must surely realize now that message separation is vitally needed, that merely quibbling around the edges of Bush's policies while waiting for him to collapse is a fool's game and leaves Democrats disorganized, confused and open to Karl Rove's cut-and-run smears. The best response to a bully is to hit him in the mouth -- as Rep. John Murtha did when he blasted Rove, whose combat experience consists of launching attack ads, as a fat-ass hypocrite.

That centrist Democrats like Hillary Clinton cannot clearly reject Bush's catastrophic war seems to reflect their deeper inability to articulate, or perhaps even to understand, two things: that Iraq has severely damaged our national security, and that the process by which the Bush administration sold their war has severely damaged our democracy.... .. By refusing to use these legitimate arguments against Bush, the Democrats are not only committing a tactical political error, they are allowing the disease he imported to fester....

One of the saddest aspects of the Bin Laden/Bush-Cheney era is the willingness of Americans to see our rights curtailed in the name of safety. Letters to both the New York Times and the New York Daily News denouced the Times for printing the story about the NSA looking into bank records. There are frequent letters supporting the rights of Americans in the name of fighting terrorism.

Feingold was very impressive on the Meet the Press today but has no chance of becoming president and it has nothing to do with his views. However, the Democratic Party could learn a lesson from him and Murtha. Don't whine just explain, defend and counterattack. This country needs an education and only people with spine can undertake the job.

Daniel A. Greenbaum

Forget Big Brother or Dear Leader, the 21st century has introduced us to THE DECIDER. If that doesn't shake us up, nothing will. And if we don't think we are already in the grip of a cabal of the criminally insane, think again. The majority of that other criminal body called Congress, at one time in our history a check and balance on the executive, has abrogated its duty to the people it represents and willingly, even happily joined the executive cabal. We the people, meanwhile, must sit by wringing our hands, pacing the floor, raging at our walls - helpless. Even the term 'impeachment' has been relegated to the obscure. I call this living under a dictatorship.

"the sheer pointlessness and wastage of time and resources involved."

Exactly - the hallmark of the state is incompetence AND malice.

Anybody who's been in the military OR Federal prison - and I've been in both - can see it in all its pristine immaculateness.

Citizens who haven't had either experience just don't understand the nature of their own government.

"What we see now is the tragedy of a great country, with noble impulses, successful institutions, magnificent historical achievements and immense energies, which has become a menace to itself and to mankind."

What's wrong with this picture?

The fact that it was inevitable is missing from his comment.

This is the inevitable result of ANY form of human government - monarchy, fascism, socialism, democracy - it doesn't matter. They all MUST end up the same way. It's only a matter of time.

It must also be mentioned that the inevitable historical result of this process is that the current US state - and possibly its society - WILL be destroyed by civil war, revolution, or external war at some point - almost certainly in this century.


Right on.

To believe that these people are just "mistaken" or "panicked" is to ignore their own statements - and more importantly, to ignore their actual actions.

As William Burroughs once wrote, debating whether the DEA or whoever has positive intentions is like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin: "By their actions ye shall know them. And the results of their actions are deplorable."

The ONLY people who can rationally analyze the situation are those who stand outside the notion that there is any legitimacy in the basic concept of the state itself or the motivations of the people who advocate it.

As Einstein put it, "A problem cannot be solved in terms of itself."


No.

People who follow the same precepts are doomed to get the same results.

You believe in the state - you get statism.

It's that simple.

It follows as logically and inevitably as anything else in the universe.

If your premises are wrong, your results will not be what you expect.

And for ten thousand years, the vast bulk of the human race have believed in the state.

And the reason for THAT is basic human primate nature - which almost every human will steadfastly refuse to examine dispassionately because that would be the ultimate threat to their self-perception.

"If you're right, I'm wrong - and if I'm wrong, I'm dead - and that can't be allowed. So you're wrong and I'm right - and you're dead."

Q.E.D.

It was Justice Brandeis who wrote:

“Experience should remind us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding…”

Brandeis, of course, is right. I also think that “well-meaning” zealots “without understanding” can become “evil minded rulers”. What allows that to happen is secrecy. Secrecy allows them to begin and perpetuate evil plans. The evil must remain hidden. Not out of shame. Evil knows no shame. But out of fear of the loss of power.

What may have begun as a “well-meaning” attempt, to secure us from further attack, became “evil-minded” when they began to play the PNAC cards, which had been up their sleeves for many years. Plan meet opportunity – aces over eights. And the lying, and the cheating, and evil begins. Hell, you’re in power, you’re a winner, it’s your pot.

But just as you’re ready to rake in all the chips – someone grabs you by the wrist. You’ve gotten away with this cheating for so long you got sloppy. You carried it one hand too far. It always happens that way – just one hand too many. You stepped on a whole mess of toes, and now it’s been noticed. You thought you could get away with this forever. But nothing is forever. Especially when it comes to winning streaks or politics. People are going to want explanations, and so far all you had were excuses, and lies, and the confidence of a winner. But when you start to lose lots of things change, and none of them for the better. The press, the Congress, the people, all start to look at you a little differently. First the blind loyalty goes, then the benefit of the doubt, then even the base gets wobbly, now people start to avoid you, they talk behind your back. It’s accountability time!

Accountability demands transparency. This leads to debates about ways to accomplish the needed ends without the loss of rights, or having to use evil methods. And people begin to question why you had to use evil to accomplish what could have been done without it. And once that happens the “evil-minded” not only lose power, but the protection of supporters, and respect, and face the possibility of the loss of their freedom through prosecution. That’s when you begin to wish you had played it straight and honest, and took your losses as they came. And changed your strategy, and your methods, to make up for those losses along the way. That’s when you wish you had played honest with a pair of nines, instead of the full-house up your sleeve. You thought the run would never end, but it always does, and it always will. When you’ve never been held accountable for anything before, it’s hard to believe it can happen to you. But whether you’ve been able to cheat your way through life, or cheat at cards, eventually the odds turn against you. The house never loses in the end!

We have been down this road before, politically. Most of the early Federalists were quick to pass the Sedition acts, and those same folks had zero faith in the votes of common men (forget women).

Despite the Federalist fears, the Jeffersonians fared passably well fighting the British.

Matthew,

This is the core of the core of the problem. The Right in this country just doesn't believe in the institutions and principles that have directed this country for over 200 years. They believe that the destruction of a building in New York is cause for dismantling the most basic things about America: the balance of powers, people's right to privacy, the constitution.

They just don't believe that those fundamental institutions are worthy of our faith. This is the most important difference between them and us.

If there was only a way to let redstate America understand this difference.

Thanks for your article.

Yup. All they need is a scapegoat. Oops, don't look now, terrorists have been found in the Miami ghetto.

The distrust of people to make up their own minds is a characteristic of all ideologies. Just look at the reaction to the DaVinci Code. Is seeing a fictional movie going to so shake the faith of Christians that they will leave their congregations? How about the Danish cartoons (I know some claim blasphemy, but this just the same thing under a different name).

This is the same impulse that causes people to ban books. Those with the weakest basis for their ideologies resort to suppression of information and intimidation since they know that a vigorous debate would reveal their underlying falsities.

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

I agree Feingold has no chance of winning but that does not mean we cannot vote for him. You don't always win the first battle, but that doesn't mean appeasement is the answer. If we don't start voting against this, when will we start? Has Hillary opposed ANY of the infringements on civil liberties or abuses of executive power?

We should all be deathly afraid of the Miami ghetto terrorists.  Once they can raise enough money, standing on ghetto street corners with a cup, to buy tee shirts with their logo on them, to buy matching trousers, to buy matching Nikes, well, they just might then decide to buy matching BB guns.  Danger personified!

Of course it appears that their main focus was on their religion, but that's true of the Islamic terrorists too.  And, we all know that freedom of religion isn't part of our Constitution. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

To us it seems pointless and a waste of time, but increasingly I'm of the opinion that it is quite deliberate sort of cruelty that they want to "put out there". Why would they want to deliberately show us how cruel and inhuman they can be? I leave that up to you to delve into. But it is far too systematic and continuous and deliberate to be the result of massive foolishness, There is method to the madness.

"The right" is not a homogeneous block of voters.  (Nor is the left.)  The right is a very small group of very wealthy people who lust after much more wealth, and controlling the government is an obvious path to that wealth.  By themselves, they are a splinter, fringe group of nuts.  But, they latched on a brilliant strategy - demonize groups of people that are largely hated by the majority, give lip service, and sometimes more, to the religious extremists, wink and pander to the race hatreds that still exist here, use wars and threats of wars to terrorize the voters, and, by far the most important, use the promise of limitless tax cuts to draw in the economically and politically ignorant.  The small group of the very wealthy who run the government now, have no convictions beyond making more money, no interest in what is best for the country, and no scruples at all that might limit what they will do to remain in power.   There is the real problem we face.

Hoppy in Sacramento

Daniel, we've often tangled before but I agree with you 100% on Feingold's performance. Whether or not he has any chance in 2008, the Democratic Party could indeed learn an important lesson from this man.

How soon we forget this quote from recent history (referring to Osama Bin Laden, al Qaeda and terrorists around the globe):

"Americans are asking, why do they hate us? They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other." [emphasis added]

Said by none other than our dear leader George W. Bush, September 20, 2001, Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html

And for the next 4+ years his administration, the Republicans in congress, conservative pundits, et al has been in a competition with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to see who hates our freedom more by trashing whatever feeble attempts the MSM has taken to expose the administration's illegal actions, attacking Democrats who don't fall in lock step behind whatever Bush/Cheyney want, by unconstitutional attempts through signing statements to thwart the will of Congress, our democratically elected government, in general to act to undermine everything that Bin Laden supposedly hates. Who is the traitor, those who speak against the administration, or an administration and its supporters that continue to undermine those freedoms we should hold sacred - because after all we are at "war." Everything changed after 9/11 after all (oops, Bush said this to applause in Congress at what I believe was his first big public statement after 9/11).

I humbly think it's about time the President's words were thrown right back at him and his ilk. Or was this another Bush lie?

(PS, It took a few functioning brain cells and a search on "george bush osama bin laden hates our freedom" to turn this up as top hit in Google. Maybe I was the only one who remembers this speech...)

The SARS outbreak in China comes to mind--it seemed that it was only after Jiang Yanyong exposed the coverup that China actually took action to stop the disease from spreading.

Proving not only that liberty is keeps us safe, but that where liberty is not present defiance will sometimes suffice.

Napablogger

I dunno, as an apostate Republican over the issues you all are talking about here, the secrets, the NSA wiretapping, the torture, etc, I don't think Matthew or any of the rest of you understand where at least rank and file Republicans like myself are at on these things. You are too paranoid in my view.

They see it as being strong, as winning the war. They see it as not cutting and running like say Clinton did in Somalia that Osama famously used as a way to say we were weak and paper tigers. In short, its a macho thing. They see the Democrats as weaklings, too compromising, and if the other guy cuts your balls off then you cut his and his kids balls off too.

Myself I am falling out over this with many Republicans, because I think no war justifies giving up civil liberties. I think Bush has gone too far, and the seperation of powers is a source of strength, not weakness.

That is so pessimistic. Defeatist thinking as Cheney, or Bush, or Rumsfeld, or Condi, or Alberto... would say. That being said, I have no problem with it. It was a failure of pessimism that has greatly assisted us in reaching this sad state. The slow degradation of rights for the redefined doesn't seem to bother most people until they themselves have been redefined. Are so few citizens aware that we are "The United States of America" in name only now? So many fundamentals have already been lost, or reclassified, or redefined or replaced by their Bizarro World counterparts or something.  I truly think your point may be moot.

Jonah Goldberg quoted “his friend,” Michael Ledeen, as pronouncing a sort of neocon philosophy: "Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business." –from Arthur Silber

Do you really think the GOP doesn't agree about the importance of a free press to liberal democracy?

I think these hacks know it's true, they are just too caught up in the current partisanship to admit it. They are happy to flag articles in the MSM that support their political/partisan worldview. They just slam any articles that can be interpreted as harmful to Pres. Bush or the GOP. They do the same thing with domestic political stories, so it makes sense for them to do the same for these stories.

Stories about spying on Americans are perceived correctly as harmful, so GOP hacks can both change the topic and flail one of their favorite whipping dogs at the same time by turning the story into, "How dare the N.Y. Times report on these topics! It's traitorous."

That said, the oft-stated GOP claim that the Constitution is not a suicide pact strikes me as so weak-kneed and lily-livered that we should attack them for that. Seriously. If the Constitution was truly predicated on removing all risk to American lives above all other values, it wouldn't be worth protecting. A similar logic applies to these ridiculous claims of expansive executive power.

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