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Almost shockingly, this sounds to me like an Iraq proposal Democrats of various stripes might be able to unite around:

At a press conference this afternoon, Senators Reed and Levin, along with co-sponsors Feinstein and Salazar, announced an amendment to the Defense appropriations bill that would shift U.S. policy in Iraq away from the open-ended commitment of the Bush Administration. The amendment involves a phased redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq beginning this year, and it requires that the President submit a plan for continued redeployment by the end of 2006.
This isn't, at the end of the day, what I would do if you made me President. But that's not going to happen, nor are any Democrats going to get made President. And a focus on shifting U.S. policy away from an open-ended commitment seems like a reasonably compelling baseline that at least everyone to the left of Joe Lieberman could be down for.


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Sorry for the off-topic comment, but could we somehow get the "Continue Reading Here" tags not to appear on posts that don't continue?

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

When Something Is <= Nothing Cross post

Last year the Democratic Leadership had the bright idea to demand Bush provide a "strategy for success" . My reps Boxer, DiFI and Pelosi were all gung-ho. So I wrote em to explain the facts of life - Bush's answer would be "stay the course".

Well it wasn't quite that. He hired Dr. Feaver and put him on the NSC - a poliitical scientist whose dubiious claim to fame - \talk victory and the sheep will follow. The good doctor set feverishly to work on the strategy for sucess that the Democrats were crying for. Tha National Strategy for Victory in Iraq was released last fall to great fanfare and a six week proipaganda tour.

Is Feaver still on the NSC??

Now what do you think that George Bush is going to do with the latest demand of the marmot leaders???

The pottery barn rule? What kind of horse waste is that? A new military strategy for counterinsurgency? 

Here's your benchmark for sucess. Written in September 2003:

"We cannot leave Iraq before it is stabilized," declared a former CIA officer. But to maintain a prolonged foreign occupation of Iraq is to destabilize it only further. Once the invader departs, there will no doubt be a civil war, which will accelerate the dismemberment of the nation, giving rise to a fundamentalist regime, which will make at least some people miss the era of Saddam.

There's the benchmark. Where are the Pottery Barn's metrics?

WASHINGTON -- Iraq's new so-called unity government has produced not unity, but increased chaos and civil war.

In central Iraq, Sunni insurgents are escalating the sectarian conflict with ever more blatant mass killings of Shiites. In southern Iraq, Shiite militias entirely outside the control of new Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's security forces escalate their confrontation and boldness towards British security forces by the day.

In the less than half a month since Maliki's government was appointed, the slaughter of civilians by the Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias acting in reprisal has escalated to new levels of scale and ferocity. What went wrong?

The answer is that more than three years after the first violent clashes between U.S. forces and proto-insurgents in Fallujah heralded the still-escalating insurgency, Bush administration policymakers and most pontificators in the U.S. media still fail to grasp the nature and scale of the problems in Iraq that underlie the insurgency and emerging civil war.

Bush administration policymakers remain fixated on their chimera of establishing a working democracy in Iraq and they have gone to great pains to micro-manage the simulacra of democracy -- open parliamentary elections, a parliament and coalition wheeling and dealing. Much effort over the past two years has also gone into building up new Iraqi police and military forces already more than 220,000 strong.

 

The trouble is: None of it is real.

William Lind who wrote the USMC 4GW manual will tell you Pottery Barnchair generals.  You and Bush are in a hurricane spitting into the wind.

edit | reply | write to author | link | Not yet rated.On June 20, 2006 - 10:58am jexster said:

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Meanwhile back on Planet Earth, the US is losing the other war for the very same Pottery Barn reasons:

Perhaps it's time to offer a short refresher course in Guerrilla War 101:

  • Air power works against you, not for you. It kills lots of people who weren't your enemy, recruiting their relatives, friends, and fellow tribesmen to become your enemies. In this kind of war, bombers are as useful as 42 cm. siege mortars.
  • Big, noisy, offensives, launched with lots of warning, achieve nothing. The enemy just goes to ground while you pass on through, and he's still there when you leave. Big Pushes are the opposite of the "ink blot" strategy, which is the only thing that works, when anything can.
  • Putting the Big Push together with lots of bombing in Afghanistan's Pashtun country means we end up fighting most if not all of the Pashtun. In Afghan wars, the Pashtun always win in the end.
  • Quisling governments fail because they cannot achieve legitimacy.
  • You need closure, but your guerilla enemy doesn't. He not only can fight until Doomsday, he intends to do just that – if not you, then someone else.
  • The bigger the operations you have to undertake, the more surely your enemy is winning.

Lind 6/20/06

edit | reply | write to author | link | Not yet rated.On June 20, 2006 - 11:10am jexster said:

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Support the Feingold-Kerry Amendment. Send your Senators a message. They still don't get it.  IF they don't, come November they will.

Politics is the art of compromise, or that's what I have been taught.  So, considering that nothing more extreme than this is even remotely possible with Bush as president, and a Republican Congress, I agree that this is a good idea.  I think Democrats need to start talking about the "war in Iraq" as having already been won, we did get rid of Saddam as its leader, and the "occupation" no longer is needed, since Iraq now has its elected government in place.  So, what is needed is a plan for the transition of an occupied Iraq to a truly sovereign Iraq.  The Reed, et al proposal seems just about right.

Hoppy in Sacramento

However much sense this "phased redeployment" plan might or might not make, it ain't gonna happen for a number of reasons (of which the overriding fact that troop deployment policies are in the hand of the President, not Congress is just one).
Besides its vulnerability to charges of "cut-and-run" from the usual supects, committing the US to a withdrawal policy would force the Bush Administration to have to face up to yet another unresolved issue about Iraq: the matter of permanent US bases there. Not so much an "if" at this point (from all account, said bases are already in the process of construction) - but whether or not these facilities will be maintained without the express consent of the "independent" Iraqi government - which, having been officially declared to be a "democratic" one presumably reflects the will of the Iraq people (who may or may not want a bunch of foreign military bases on their territory).
The Administration has begged this issue since the beginning, and a timetabled withdrawal plan will only force them to have to have to decide: either to pressure the Iraqis to accept bases - or go ahead and build/occupy them regardless: sort of Mideast Guantanamo Bays.
Either way, the Bush gang would never stand for any plan which would force them into any situation which cannot be dealt with by deflection and sloganeering.
More's the pity.

The Levin-Reed amendment proposal has no beef so it can't unite the party. The Kerry-Feingold proposed amendment gets the job done for me and most anti-occupation Democrats, I hope, but I think will not please pro-occupation forces in the party. Check it out:

Democrats to propose withdrawing US troops from Iraq within one year

... "What was promised to the American people to be a rather uncomplicated effort by America to rid Iraq of a dictator has turned out to be a war that has gone on for more than three years -- with no end in sight," US Senator Dick Durbin said on the Senate floor.

"This week, the Senate will have a chance to say to the Iraqi people that as of the middle of next year, this becomes your responsibility," Durbin, the number-two Senate Democrat, said in a preview of the debate expected to take place Wednesday or Thursday. ...

One of the primary authors of the legislation, Senator John Kerry, told US television Tuesday that 12 months is "more than enough time ... to do what has to be done to get our troops home, and to get the Iraqis standing up on their own."

"America's presence is part of what is lending to the insurgency itself. And if the Bush administration can't understand that -- can't begin to move to address it -- then our kids are being put at greater risk than they ought to be. And that is not the kind of leadership they deserve.". ...

This sends the message that the Dems view the situation differently AND have a plan. If the GOP wants to run on "Stay and Pay" as Murtha put it on Meet the Press, let them go ahead and do so. We know what the public thinks about Iraq these days, regardless of the capture of Zarqawi and whatever other monumental achievements the administration wants to tout.

It will still put all of the pro-continued occupation Dems on record, which counts for something, even if they can't be held immediately accountable. Most of them are running for re-election or President anyway. Think about the bind this will put Lieberman, Biden and Hillary in.

Japan's out. Maybe we should follow their lead?

Japan's face-saving exit from Iraq
Jun 21, 2006
By Hisane Masaki

TOKYO - After several twists and turns, Japan finally made a long-awaited announcement on Tuesday that it will withdraw its troops from Iraq, a decision that will allow the nation to play on its own ground in post-war Iraq: economic cooperation.

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi announced that some 600 Ground Self-Defense Force (GSDF) troops stationed in the southern Iraqi city of Samawah would return home. ...

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Marmot Malarky

Iraq -- time to change the mission
- Dianne Feinstein, Christopher J. Dodd
San Francisco Chronicle

Sunday, June 18, 2006


The killing of Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is truly a positive development, and U.S. forces who accomplished this feat deserve enormous credit and appreciation.

Late last year, Congress approved, and President Bush signed into law, a Defense Department authorization bill for fiscal year 2006 that read: "Calendar year 2006 should be a period of significant transition to full Iraqi sovereignty, with Iraqi security forces taking the lead for the security of a free and sovereign Iraq, thereby creating the conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq."

We have now been in Iraq for more than three years -- and we believe the time has come for that phased redeployment to begin. It is also time for the Bush administration to provide a schedule and timetable for the structured downsizing and redeployment of U.S. forces in Iraq.

Our concern -- and that of many Americans -- is for Iraq to become increasingly more self-reliant and for our troops to be back on our soil or deployed elsewhere in the world where they are most needed to protect our national security by combatting global terrorism. Our hope is that the multiple and murderous conflicts that bloody Baghdad and other larger cities in Iraq today can, at long last, be reduced and eventually eliminated by the Iraqis themselves.

There is a storm of conflicting forces overshadowing life in Iraq. Questing for dominance are al Qaeda, nationalistic Baathists remaining from the days of Saddam Hussein's tyranny and an array of rival religious armies. The battle lines are as uncertain and diverse as are the competing objectives of the various combatants.

True, there are some other positive developments: Iraq finally put a constitutional government in place last month -- five months following the Dec. 15, 2005, election -- and that government, after extensive deliberation and debate, is beginning to function. But much work remains to be done by the Iraqi people and their elected leaders. Only they can ultimately defeat the forces that have left their nation on the brink of civil war.

Too many brave American men and women in uniform have lost their lives serving our nation with honor and distinction. The Iraqi people have also suffered significant loss of life. More than 2,500 Iraqis were killed during March and April alone; another 700 in May. More than 85,000 Iraqis have had to flee their homes to avoid the bloodshed and mounting sectarian violence. Daily bombings continue. Each week, we hear of mass graves being discovered that hold the bodies of individuals executed because of ethnic hatred.

According to the Pentagon, there are now more than 260,000 Iraqi military and police personnel who have been trained and equipped and 62 Iraqi battalions are now believed capable of taking the lead in the security effort. Priorities for the new Iraqi government must include:

-- Using the Iraqi military and police to stop the violence;

-- dissolving the sectarian militias and roving death squads;

-- taking responsibility for rebuilding the infrastructure -- bringing more electricity online, keeping schools open, making sure water and sewage systems are working;

-- ending the widespread graft and bribery; and

-- bringing the country under the rule of law.

As the Iraqis increasingly assume the reins of control, it is critical that the United States transition its mission in Iraq to one of logistical support and training of Iraqi military and police. Our goal should be to work with Iraq's neighbors to develop a regional security initiative to enhance stability. As part of that process, the Bush administration should prepare, and present to Congress and the American people, a plan outlining the steps needed to proceed with the redeployment of our troops, either back to the United States, or to critical areas of potential terrorist conflict around the globe.

This is the right thing to do for our troops, who have sacrificed so much, and for their families, who anxiously wait for them to return home. This strategy is supported by the overwhelming majority of the American people, who clearly have stated their desire for a change of course in Iraq.

As a nation, we have had enough slogans and reassurances that are meaningless amid the continuing blast of roadside bombs and the rattle of automatic gunfire. No longer should "we will stand down when they stand up" suffice as American policy. Three years ago, the United States may have been misguided into war in Iraq, but today, the world looks different. The country must not be misled about the realities in Iraq and the need to change our mission.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

  • The killing of Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is truly a positive development, and U.S. forces who accomplished this feat deserve enormous credit and appreciation. Democratic Party "Leaders:" Feinstein and Dodd SUNDAY
  • Is the Insurgency on the Rebound? Time Magaizine YESTERDAY

And we should be grateful that they didn't speak of a "sea change" like Lindsay Graham?

 

I think not.  I may have been born at 11:30 at night, but I didn't fall off the turnip truck LAST NIGHT or Saturday night

 



 

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

 

And to the 2 useful idiots who gave me a 1 You can get in touch any old time. Bring it on marmots - in public or n private.

 

I'm calling bullshit  If not courage, it is time to demand accountability

Sound like a plan?

 

I'm as mad as hell. I'm not stopping. They can hand wave me off, dismiss me, but I'm coming back, again and again and again until there is some accountability. Maj Gen John Batiste (USA Ret),

 

The Constitution licenses Congress, not the President, to raise and maintain an army and to wage war. But how many Americans believe that after watching this Congress? Bush has shown more disdain for Congress than any president in history. Even with the most compliant lapdog Congress, he still uses secret executive orders, signing statements, recess appointments, and other quasi-legal means to ignore them. The Unitary Executive never needs the veto because the King rules.

Bush is the decider and he will run this war the way he wants. Any proposals from Congress are strictly political (and Republicans understand this). To see the Republicans kissing his ass, er, I mean "supporting our troops" and "staying the course" is nothing new and doesn’t change the political dynamic. But Democrats are only exposing their impotence when they plead for some half-baked, watered down compromise resolution that will be slapped down by the weeny Republicans. Murtha and Feingold seem to be the only ones standing up and screaming bullshit on Bush.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

At the end of the day, the choice is between War Party Democrats who continue to try to have it both ways and those who take responsibility and speak the truth plainly. The choice at the end of the day is between, as Bob Shrum put it, between those who are still wedded to a course which is, less than nothing, "which morally wrong and politically stupd". 

 

At the end of the day, the choice is between cowards with as Kiven Phillip's said, "an instinct for the capillaries" and those who seek the War Party Jugular.

 

I don't believe anyone will be able to sustain a strong case in the short run without going back to the fundamental misjudgment of invading Iraq in the first place. Once the enormity of that error is grasped, the case for pulling out becomes easy to see.  

Look at John Kerry's utterly absurd position during the presidential campaign.  He said “It’s the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time," but then went on to explain how he expected to win it anyway. Even the voter with no interest in foreign affairs was able to recognize it as an absurdity.  If it was the wrong war at the wrong place and time, then it was never in our interest to fight.  If that is true, what has changed to make it in our interest?  Nothing, absolutely nothing  William Odom

 

Kerry, Feingold Boxer finally got it

 

At the end of the day, this is what I am down for

 

"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."

 

 

That is a plan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From the Feinstein/Dodd article:
"Priorities for the new Iraqi government must include:
-- Using the Iraqi military and police to stop the violence;
-- dissolving the sectarian militias and roving death squads...."

...and then--since that shouldn't take them more than a few days if they put their minds to it--maybe they can invent a cure for cancer and a perpetual-motion machine. Senator Feinstein, Senator Dodd, listen closely: stopping the insurgency is not within the means of the Iraqi government, now or anytime soon. We started this war on the basis of blatant lies and schoolyard-bully attitude, but if we pull out all our troops anytime in the forseeable future, the situation in Iraq is likely to get get far worse.

Both the Levin-Reed and Kerry-Feingold bills seem entirely political, and as out of touch with the facts of the situation as the Republican mindless-stay-the-course approach is. This should be about solving the problem, not scoring political points. And neither party, in my opinion, seems to want to deal with that.

I rated you up to counter those 1s, they are totally uncalled for an clearly an abuse of the ratings system

Both the Levin-Reed and Kerry-Feingold bills seem entirely political, and as out of touch with the facts of the situation as the Republican mindless-stay-the-course approach is. This should be about solving the problem, not scoring political points.

I think there is a very simple reason why no one has a realistic plan to "deal with the situation" and that is there is no solution.  Unless you want to put in 500,000 troops, assumign you can miraculously create them, there is no way to militarily accomplish anything in Iraq.

 I've been saying forever that Iraq is now an internal political problem.  Either they want a single multi-ethnic/multi religion country that protects minority rights or they don't.  They will either work it out, split into 3 countries, or one group will dominate the others, before or after a civil war.

 All the US military is doing is treading water because Bush won't admit failure.  His stay the course plan is in reality a stalling tactic so his sucessor gets blamed for failing in Iraq rather than him; or if the Dems win either the house or Senate they can withdraw and blame them.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

You hear it in the argument that, although the war was wrong, we now have a moral obligation to stay and prevent civil war. You hear it in the argument that the United States must be strong against the threat of global "Islamofascism," and that by leaving Iraq we will hand Al Qaeda and its allies a victory. There are other variations of the same, but all of those who make such arguments (while criticizing Bush for his alleged incompetence and mismanagement) end up arguing that the United States has no choice other than to stay.

In my discussions with them in recent weeks, several have brought up Colin Powell's absurd argument about the Pottery Barn rule: if you break it, you own it. Well, yes, we broke Iraq, but we don't own it. (In fact, the Pottery Barn itself has no such rule. If you mistakenly break a piece of pottery in one of its stores, you aren't actually liable.) We have absolutely no moral imperative to stay in Iraq. We have a moral imperative to leave -- and to apologize.   Tom Englehardt

That's no plan....that is more  BS from the same leaders who tried to have it both ways twice  - 2002 - 2004.....2006 without this Democrat

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Either, Mr. Rove, the US is a Republic among independent nations, or it is a Colonial Power intent on subjecting other peoples. If it is a Republic, it should be leaving Iraq to the Iraqis. If it is a Colonial Power, then it is doomed. Because no instance of successful foreign colonialism on the nineteenth-century model has been implemented in the past 50 years, for the simple reason that the peoples of the global south are socially and politically mobilized-- literate, urban, industrial, skilled, networked-- in a way they never were before in history. And no mobilized people can be successfully occupied.

The US military presence in Iraq is retarding a political settlement. It makes the Shiites and Kurds cocky and unwilling to compromise with the Sunni Arabs. It keeps the Iraqi army weak and ineffective, lacking proper armor or an air force. And US military tactics of search and destroy are turning progressively more Iraqis against us over time. The longer the US stays in Iraq, the more likely it is that one day one of our cities will be attacked by Iraqi terrorists bearing a grudge for Fallujah or Tal Afar or whatever other Iraqi cities we plan to destroy.

And, about that $5 billion a month. I live in the Detroit area. This is what my city looks like....

Juan Cole 6/20/06


"The President will not bring an end to this war. This Congress will not bring an end to this war, absent the Murtha Resolution. But the American people will certainly bring an end to this war. They will do it in the streets. And they will do it at the ballot box. The American people will become the Out of Iraq Caucus."
Rep Dennis Kucinich June 15, 2006


The Kerry proposal might put them in a bind but the other proposal is phony. You either get out or you play to win. The idea that Congress is going to monitor Bush's progress as if war is a "Leave no Child Behind" program is silly, silly, silly. Every time push comes to shove, the Feinstein and Biden crowd will cave. Oh, they'll whine and nag and moan a little on camera, but they will cave. This is just Vietnam deja vu. Decisions on war made purely for political positioning.

I'd never vote for Lieberman but I can admire his character. He actually believes in something. The Democratic Party's fundamental flaw is that is has no character. It has no courage.

Either choose the hard road of war or choose the hard road of peace.

From the perspective of a"Pottern Barn" Democrats, the "plan" is palatable.  From the perspective of policy, anything that avoids the two poles of Bush's mindless "stay the course" and doves "bring 'em all home now" is worth considering.  No one denies that the Bush strategy isn't working, but a precipitous withdrawal would lead to chaos that makes the current situation look positively rosy.  Contrary to the cries of the doves, there are certainly worse things than a prolonged American involvement - and a Iraqi version of the Khmer Rouge coming to power would be one of them.  A signigicantly reduced American footprint but a long-term commitment gives Iraq the best chance of a semi-decent outcome.

 

From the perspective of politics, the "plan" takes the debate away from the false choices of "cut and run" and "stay the course" and forces it back on to where it should be - accountability for the Bush administration.  The Dems are not going to win by running for any of the various bad policy options on Iraq, but they can run against the worst policy option of auto-pilot until 2009 offerred by Bush.

Contrary to the cries of the doves, there are certainly worse things than a prolonged American involvement

Prolonged American involvement is the Bush policy.   

Dissolve the "roving death squads"? No more $55,000 white Toyota Land Cruisers? No more Glocks and bullet proof vests?

What would our valiant special forces trainers have left to do?

"there are certainly worse things than a prolonged American involvement - and a Iraqi version of the Khmer Rouge coming to power would be one of them."

For who? US troops or Iraqis?

For US troops, prolonged American involvement IS the worst that can happen - because it guarantees that they will end up getting clobbered in a civil war they have no ability to prevent.

Pull the troops out now. Let the Iraqis worry about being the "Khmer Rouge" - we don't need to, since we didn't worry about the REAL Khmer Rouge.

And once again, as I've said, NOBODY has ANY evidence that the US military presence is preventing or can prevent an Iraqi civil war. Just because an all-out civil war on a par with some past historical examples doesn't appear to be in full swing yet in Iraq doesn't mean it won't be at any time. What IS clear is that things are getting worse and the presence of US troops is NOT preventing that trend.

"if we pull out all our troops anytime in the forseeable future, the situation in Iraq is likely to get get far worse."

So what? For whom?

If you don't know what you are doing, stop what you're doing. No action is better than wrong action (there are exceptions, but this isn't one of them.)

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

That resolution as much as anything is a cover for Hillary's double talk.  She'd do well to watch what is happening to Lieberman

Hillary's Hypocrisy

Robert Scheer writes that Hillary Clinton's dissembling on Iraq has become a fatal embarrassment. Why assume she would act any differently as President?

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Contrary to the cries of the doves, there are certainly worse things than a prolonged American involvement

 

I submit it is not a matter of "hawks and doves" nor "liberals and conservatives".  I submit that Brent Scowcroft, John Batiste, Anthony Zinni, William Odom et.al. are neither dove-like nor leftists. I submit that it is a matter common sense of the sentient sane that there is nothing worse than prolonging the Greatest Strategic Disaster in the history of the United States

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

 

Thanks EWK but isn't ratings system abuse that bothers me. Hell give me all the "1"'s y'all want just give me the courtesy of accountability - give me a reply to the 1-rated post so that we can join issue. Frankly I prefer 1's who disagree to 4's in agreement.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

 


Scheer here

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

"I do not think it is a smart strategy, either, for the President to continue with his open-ended commitment, which I think does not put enough pressure on the new Iraqi government," said Clinton last week at the "Take Back America" conference. "Nor do I think it is smart strategy to set a date certain. I do not agree that that is in the best interests."

This is pure gibberish designed to sound reasonable

So too opined Matt Yglesias a couple days bact, yet this is the Feinstein-Reid non-binding resolution (where's the anti-censure crowd now!).

How then did last week's gibberish become this week's plan?

 Inquiring minds want to know the author(s) of email or the phone call.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

The Intifada rages. This just in from Boxer's PAC for a Change

 

Tell your Senators you support the Kerry/Feingold/Boxer effort to redeploy U.S. troops from Iraq within the next 6 months, or sooner -- email your Senators today!

 

If your priority is to support an inspiring female candidate to break America's ultimate glass ceiling, why not draft Barbara Boxer? Not electable? Nonsense: The California senator thrashed her conservative GOP opponent in a reelection campaign that shunned the failed strategy of Democratic hacks and instead emphasized principle over opportunism. She proved her political integrity again this past week by voting alongside Kerry and Feingold to set a date for getting out of Iraq.  Robert Scheer


God, Boxer...

Another loser like Feinstein.

Heard a story about Boxer once on a radio talk show. The host was talking to a Senate intern who related that while Boxer always puts up a front of being "somebody's nice mom" that it really isn't the case. One day Boxer was entering the Senate chamber and tripped. When people rushed to help her up, she snapped, "Get your hands off me!"

Putting the words "political integrity" (is that different from REAL integrity?) next to Boxer or Feinstein is a joke.

I emailed Boxer back when Peter DeFazio was pushing a resolution to get Bush restrained from initiating an attack on Iran. Her response wouldn't take a stand. Feinstein's response totally ignored Iran and talked only about Iraq. These morons can't even read.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

Would somebody give her something useful to do?

SenHillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., countered by saying, "It is time to choose what is more important, a strategy to win in Iraq or a strategy for Republicans to win elections here at home." She accused Republicans in charge of Congress of "blindly following"

 

Morally wrong, politically stupid, a national security nincompoop

Gibberish

      

I'd like to hear more Dems talk about winning in Afghanistan. We need to do at least that and that's where bin Laden is.

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