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According to the Washington Times, the United States has activated its missile defenses in anticipation of a North Korean missile launch. Given the shaky track record of these defenses even in highly controlled tests, activating the defense strikes me as a stupid move. It does nothing to protect the United States, since there’s no chance that North Korea can hit the U.S. with a nuclear warhead. And it risks the chance of undermining whatever deterrent value the missile defense has, if the U.S. tries and fails to shoot a North Korean missile down. For now, lets stick to R&D, and save activation for genuinely dangerous situations.


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Given the venue for the announcement, it's more likely intended as a reminder to NK that the system is operational (to whatever extent). It may also be somewhat of a system test.

No way would we risk shooting and missing.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

 

They're doing it for PR. That's how they run US military policy. No strategic sense necesssary. It is not a signal to North Korea. It is theater for the US audience. Everything they do is just that - nothing more

I'm not sure the system even has an operational command and control system, so it really means nothing to say they turned it on.

It is a PR announcement, with two audiences. First, the American people. They need to justify the expenditures on the system by showing the American people that all that money produced something that can be "turned on" when the threat requires. Never mind that there is no threat to the U.S, there also is no system that can protect the U.S.

Second, this is definitely intended for North Korean consumption. Remember that they consider missile defense to be a part of their deterrent posture. It doesn't need to work if we actually shot off an interceptor. We just need to convince the bad guy that we might be able to shoot his missile down to stop him from shooting it!!!

Its all theater.

"For now, lets stick to R&D..."

Howabout for now, let's stop pouring tens of billions of dollars down this sinkhole and focus on global nuclear disarmament instead?

For now, lets stick to R&D, and save activation for genuinely dangerous situations.

How is this consistent with the one percent doctrine?  Mr. Cheney believes:  " if there's a 1% chance * [that Pakistani scientists are helping al-Qaeda build or develop a nuclear weapon], we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response. It's not about our analysis . . . It's about our response."

*of a North Korean missile launch

Even activating but not shooting in response to a North Korean launch would be an admission that the system is weak, and would reduce its deterrent value. Better to simply say that a DPRK launch would pose no immediate threat to the United States.

There is of course also the matter of this very detailed study by the American Physical Society. The report focuses on boost phase defense because as it notes deployment of warheads can be nearly instantaneous once boost phase is exited. A chief conclusion is that to hit even the more primitive liquid fuel based missiles likely to be deployed by North Korea in the near future requires proximity--400-1000 km or 250-600 miles. Last I checked, the positions in Alaska for the Rumsfeld-Bush-Cheney defense system are well outside that. Of course, many intentional or unintentional modifications can mitigate the effectiveness of the interceptor--I would remind th readers that the SCUDS of the first gulf war had an unintentional spiral in their trajectory which surely contributed to the massive failure of patriot missiles to hit their
mark.

In short, it is once again an indication of the BushCo will to foist a predetermined agenda on the world whatever the circumstances, and to exploit favorable circumstances as soon as they arrive.

Does anyone else see this as an admission that we have become a gutless, fearful, afraid of shadows country?  Of course N.Korea and other nations will develop long range missiles, and why shouldn't they?  Russia still has them by the trainload.  We didn't prevent Russia from attacking us by bluster, or by assuming a fraidy-cat posture.  We used the threat of massive retaliation to assure ourselves that Russia wouldn't attack us.  That threat is much more significant with itsy bitsy countries like N.Korea than it ever was with Russia.

The proper response to this pending test is to remind the world that we have the means and the will to massively retaliate if we are ever attacked by a nuclear weapon.  Knowing that their country would cease to exist if they use a nuclear weapon against us, and they are unlikely to ever have the means to use more than a very few against us, will deter N. Korea just as it did Russia.

Then we can move along to trying to solve the real problems that face us, like global warming. 

Hoppy in Sacramento

I work with the Communitarian Network in Washington, DC, and coming from this perspective the United States' reaction embodies a completely confused approach to harmonious international relations. "Enabling" a defunct system that only serves to alienate foreign governments seems to be a foolish response to an international nuclear situation. Instead of building up the defenses, the United States should approach this as an opportunity to work with the international community to promote nuclear deproliferation, and certainly continue talks. By "turning on" the missle defense system, the United States has chosen to react to an international relations crisis with an extremely close minded approach, which has, in turn, done absolutely nothing about the problem.

J. McCutchen "JmacSF"

San Francisco. CA

AP - David Wright, a senior scientist at the private Union of Concerned Scientists, said he strongly doubts that the Bush administration could back up its claims of having the capability to shoot down a North Korean missile.

"I consider it to be rhetorical posturing," Wright said. "It currently has no demonstrated capability."

The last time the Pentagon registered a successful test in intercepting a mock warhead in flight was in October 2002. Since then, there have been three unsuccessful attempted intercepts, most recently in February 2005

"Does anyone else see this as an admission that we have become a gutless, fearful, afraid of shadows country?"

See Josh's post about how we tortured a mentally ill low-level Al Qaeda guy, then ran around the country defending against "plots" that never existed except in his deranged mind?

This is how the state works.

And it only works if the morons who put the state in power are like that - gutless, fearful, afraid of their own shadows...

America today.

"Land of the free and home of the brave."

Bwahahahahahahahah!!! Tell me another - hasn't been true for two centuries, if it even was then.


It isn't even clear whether NK has a missile test or a satellite launch (or launch test) in mind.

It isn't even clear if they are fueling the rocket - the South Koreans say there were only forty-odd fuel barrels there, not enough for the 60-odd tons of fuel needed.

It would be amusing to me, however, given that I predicted Bush would attack North Korea before the 2004 elections, and am now predicting he will attack Iran before the 2006 elections, if he ends up firing his stupid missile defense system at a North Korean satellite launch, and North Korea ends up attacking South Korea, and the US attacks North Korea...

I'd be wrong twice - and still got it right...

The ambassador to Japan, Thomas Schieffer, used the expected WH language when asked if the US would shoot down an missile; "We have options that we have not had in the past, and all these options are on the table". (BBC)

Seems like the US is hoping NK will stand down and not embarrass the US into testing and exposing the defense system, and NK is daring the US to show off its defenses.

Even activating but not shooting in response to a North Korean launch would be an admission that the system is weak, and would reduce its deterrent value. Better to simply say that a DPRK launch would pose no immediate threat to the United States.

Michael, could not agree more with this statement, as I note here.

This isn't the smartest strategic move I have seen.

And it risks the chance of undermining whatever deterrent value the missile defense has, if the U.S. tries and fails to shoot a North Korean missile down.

 

Isn't there a deterrent value in activating the system?  And what is the deterrent value of not having it activated at all? 

@ Cato

Given the high probability that we couldn't hit anything, no.

And if we did hit the missile the punishment to the DPRK would be what, exactly? Deterrence relies on threats of punishment, and considering we would be hitting a missile that they were launching and crashing into the ocean purely for data collection purposes (and to get attention) only, where is the punishment?

For all the chatter about making the Ft. Richardson system, intended for midcourse intercept, operational, there is an interesting silence about ships and aircraft off the coast of Japan. Navy SM-3 missiles are on selected AEGIS ships (late Ticonderoga VLS class cruisers and Burke class destroyers). SM-3 has boost phase intercept capability, and also a much more convincing test record than the NBMD system. Indeed, the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force (i.e., Navy) is scheduled to get SM-3 this fall, for its own Burke class destroyers.

Also, the Air Force prototype airborne laser system is intended to have boost phase intercept capability, and conceivably might be deployed.

North Korea has no credible capability to attack properly escorted sea or air missile defense platforms of these types.
--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

@ bp32

I'm not arguing for us to attempt to intercept if the missile is not on a trajectory to hit us. That would be stupid. I am arguing against the original post which said that just arming the system was bad for deterrence. And deterrence isn't just about punishment. There is also deterrence by denial. Do you honestly think that interecepting a missile wouldn't do wonders for American BMD credibility? I bet it would help with dissuasion and deterrence efforts of these United States.

And what is the probability of us not hitting anything? We had another successful test today from an Aegis cruiser. It seems that most of our problems have been with the GBI and those problems have been with the boosting not the actual targeting and intercepting.

Arming it and not intercepting, or not even attempting to, is bad for the credibility of our defensive threats re: our missile shield. No one cares if it isn't aimed at us--we know it isn't, everyone knows it isn't, but yet people (Maybe not you) are still arguing to hit, if not preventively strike it--if we don't shoot it down after turning on the system people wonder why. Oh, because they can't and they didn't want to risk displaying that in living color to the entire world. In either case it was a dumb move.

Given what is at stake if we miss, and given the problems with the GBI which as I understand it is what would be used against a potential ICBM, anything less than 90% would be too risky given what I stated above about if you miss. The world will throw out every "test" and say, look, when they aren't rigging their tests and they are going against an actual live target it doesn't work.

For me, you risk more than you could ever gain from this move.

I can see why it would be easier to intercept a N. Korean test of a missle, that almost certainly has no protective countermeasures, in the boost phase if the intercepter was stationed near the launch site. The missle would be slower, closer, comming from a known location during a predictable time frame, and giving off the strongest signal of it's entire flight. Would you speculate? What odds do you give that the Air Force or Navy could successfully intercept a N. Korean launch today?

First, a couple of caveats, and perhaps a useful digression. I am not suggesting it be shot down -- in fact, I think it's more useful to see the flight profile and know much better what they have.

I haven't actually worked out the intercept geometry, although, in general terms, the data are available. My effective use of calculus is several more cups of coffee away. Nevertheless, I'd give the Navy TBMD system a high probability, especially if there is more than one ship shooting. It's fairly standard Navy (Standard SM-3 missile) and Army (Patriot PAC-3 missile) procedure to launch pairs of interceptors, judge the probability of hit as it steers them in, and, if warranted, launch another pair. Reports of the Army NBMD system at Fort Richardson gives it 9 or 10 missiles, so it has to be economical.

Do note that if the North Koreans are doing a true test with an aim point somewhere in the Pacific, below the horizon of the NBMD radar, Fort Richardson can't even see it to engage it. Only boost phase systems can engage.

The Air Force airborne laser would also have a good chance, but it is still a prototype. A particular limitation is that there may not yet be portable facilities for the laser's fuel.

A digression here, about why I strongly support theater BMD but oppose national BMD. TBMD is inherently more flexible, as long as it can operate in or above international waters. I don't think that any probable adversary has a serious chance of taking out properly escorted antimissile groups. Isolating North Korea has always been a capability. Sometimes we forget, however, how many potential hotspots are in reasonable range of international waters. While some potential paths are too far inland, think of the regional stabilization opportunities should there be conflicts between India and Pakistan, Iran and Israel, etc.


I still remember the early US and USSR spaceflight program. Wouldn't it be an anticlimax if the North Korean missile blew up on the pad, just because it had a leak? Early programs were full of fireballs...

--
Howard

*equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

Are we in agreement that if this thing had the potential to hit the U.S. that we should deploy BMD even if it is less than 90% accurate?

(And I've never understood the 90% accurracy metric. If we used that on every system in the U.S. military, then we would never deploy even a single M-16.)

No, not at this stage considering the missile itself poses no threat to us, the DPRK does not, to anyone's knowledge, have a working nuclear weapon, and if they did it isn't clear they have the know-how to miniturize the weapon for deployment atop an ICBM. It is an empty vessel, and it is being tested, presumably with a target somewhere in the Pacific Ocean.

As for the 90% issue, it is dependent on the type of weapon system and the circumstances--in this case the chances that something bad will happen are greater than the chances that something good will happen for the US strategically.

Let's be sure to distinguish between:

  • Theater BMD (TBMD), potentially able to engage short, medium, and possibly intermediate range ballistic missiles through much or all of their flight path, and engage intercontinental range in boost phase. Including prototypes, these include:

    1. Navy Standard SM-3 shipboard missile [Japanese will also deploy]

    2. Army Patriot PAC-3 mobile ground-based missile [multiple countries have Patriot, but not necessarily antimissile]

    3. Air Force airborne battle laser, officially a prototype


  • National BMD (NBMD), a fixed location system (California & Alaska) against ICBMs


  • I'm a strong proponent of TBMD, which is versatile and has peace enforcement applications worldwide. NBMD, however, is has a far less impressive testing record, and guards against a relatively low profile threat.

    Remember that we successfully deterred the fUSSR -- and vice versa -- with the certainty of Mutual Assured Destruction. The US can destroy North Korea, but the reverse is not true.

    Even if NBMD worked perfectly, I believe there are better places to use the tens of billions it costs, particularly in securing national infrastructure (e.g., electrical power, toxic chemicals, flood control) against natural disasters, accidents, and sabotage. Not only do I believe NBMD should not be activated, I believe the "operational" sites should be shut down, R&D continued, and funds shifted to higher priorities.

    Ironically, the much ballyhooed al-Qaeda cyanide plot becomes much less impressive after some basic back-of-the-envelope calculations. To get a lethal amount of hydrogen cyanide gas generated in other than a tightly sealed chamber, it takes a lot of chemicals.

    In contrast to the difficulty of bringing a cyanide salt and an acid to the subway, consider the effect of sabotage of a chemical plant or large shipment -- and when you are doing so, remember the disaster at Bhopal, India.

    --
    Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

    MAD doesn't seem like much of a defense. It is an outdated relic of the Cold War. I don't really like being a nuclear hostage. What kind of defense relies on not defending the American people?

    And deterrence is not reliable. There is an unknown to deterrence. You can never prove when deterrence was successful. You can only prove when it fails. We can't prove that we deterred the USSR. We can only say that they chose not to launch.

    And yes, NBMD works best for more low profile threats. North Korea or Iran seems to be that type of threat (I am not arguing that they could hit us, just that they could be developing very small arsenals.) Isn't it better to have some defenses that none at all? Isn't it better to have something to fall back on if deterrence fails rather than just saying "well, the system wasn't 90% reliable, so we chose to be totally unprotected instead of somewhat protected"? I'll take my chances with a NBMD that is 10% reliable rather than having absolutely nothing.

    And all other state actors may need to be deterred by threat of denial is to believe that we can knock down their ICBMs. And even if deterrence fails, we can attempt to intercept.

    Isn't it better to have some defenses that none at all? Isn't it better to have something to fall back on if deterrence fails rather than just saying "well, the system wasn't 90% reliable, so we chose to be totally unprotected instead of somewhat protected"? I'll take my chances with a NBMD that is 10% reliable rather than having absolutely nothing
    Except you are not settling for absolutely nothing. I have high confidence that SM-3 missiles from a late flight Ticonderoga cruiser or Burke destroyer could take the North Korean missile in boost phase. The Japanese are getting SM-3 this fall.
    SM-3 has a far better test record than the NBMD system, having had another hit-to-kill in the last day or so. SM-3 potentially can also be used against Iranian missiles.
    Also in the mix are the Air Force airborne laser and the Army Patriot PAC-3 (the latter being debugged). Patriot, a far more mature system than in 1991, is used by quite a few countries.
    Given there are one to three systems that can defend against a NK ICBM, and Iran is at least a decade from an ICBM, more probably an IRBM, I see no justification for dumping tens of billions into NBMD when there are far greater vulnerabilities in the US.
    I don't follow your logic that MAD didn't deter the Soviets. Since neither side had NBMD, what did deter them? -- Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

    My point about deterrence was that you can't be sure what makes an actor choose not to act. The Soviets were prepared to lose up to 40% of their population. One of the Soviet leaders (maybe Gorbachev)even said that the Soviets never believed in MAD. Their population meant nothing to them.

    What did deter them? We don't know. To know that we would have to get into the heads of the decision makers. It might have been MAD, it might have been domestic politics, it might have been psychology, narcotics, etc. To say that threat of death is what deterred them has many flaws. If that was all it took to deter, then we would never have troops prepared to go into combat.

    Are you aware of what happened at Bhopal? How about the original WWI gas attack at Ypres, when the Germans released chlorine from railroad cars? Assuming you can read the standard codes, looked at the HAZMAT labels on railroad tank cars or even large trucks? Got an idea how many tanks of anhydrous ammonia are around for farming? Chlorine for water purification?

    I'm worried enough about accidents with these, much less someone putting a few antitank rounds into a passing car or being a little more creative with ribbon charges. I worry about HAZMAT crews that close major highways for spills of rather benign chemicals, as an example of the lack of information and possibly training.

    Remember a multistate electrical grid blackout in the Ohio Valley in 2003? While multiple factors were involved, think unintended consequences of deregulation and the effects on power economics, plus bad computer security that let a worm get into a critical control system. Unless the electrical grid gets some expensive upgrades, we are likely to keep having blackouts.

    The Administration reduced funding to the Centers for Disease Control, considered a world resource as well as US. How wise is this when there are hot viruses out there, admitting that A/H5N1 bird flu may well be overrated?

    If there's a covert bioterrorism attack, it's likely to be detected by correlation among widely scattered electronic health records. Electronic health records also can reduce errors and cost in the health system.

    Chemical safety. Electrical grid resilience. Early detection and mitigation of potential epidemics. Please demonstrate that money spent on a dubious NBMD system, in the presence of working TBMD that could hit the likeliest launches, is more important there than for these other measures against more likely threats.

    Oh, while you are at it, the estimates are that a NK fission weapon is somewhere between 650 and 1000 kilograms. Map that against estimates of the throw weight of the current missile. What, again, is the missile threat?

    Again and again, North Korean special operations forces have carried out suicide raids against the South, or killed themselves to avoid capture. Please state the probabilities of them delivering a 1000 KG nuclear weapon in a ship or submarine with a suicide crew (or maybe just one who knows when to hit the switch) versus the DPRK hitting US targets with a missile.

    But do go on looking for reasons NBMD will deter any real threats. I look forward to hearing them, and your cost-benefit analysis about spending the NBMD budget on known threats.

    --
    Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

    You act as though I don't care about homeland security. I'm an off-shore balancer with quite a few isolationist tendencies. We could afford to pay for NBMD AND protecting the electrical grid, etc. if we didn't spend so much money and resource molding other countries the way we want them. I would much much much rather spend money here at home on all those things you mentioned than to spend it elsewhere.

    Plus, the entire BMD shield is a layered system; the theory being that there are multiple chances for engagement. And the BMD budget was chopped pretty substantially. I'm more worried about wasted money on unconstitutional federal programs like medicare and social security than I am defending the country.

    And lets not forget that the realist believes that the center of international politics resides with the states not acts of terrorism.

    Now you mention isolationism, and somehow breaking loose the money from foreign projects. Guess what? Without a change in administration policy, or major changes in Congress, that won't happen.

    So, there is an immense budget drain from foreign adventures. There is a finite amount of money. NBMD -- which, as implemented, is not a layered system but midcourse -- comes out low on my list of priorities.

    I simply don't see NBMD, in its current incarnation, as opposed to TBMD, significantly adding to US capabilities. It seems forgotten that TBMD has a boost-phase capability against quite a few hot spots. "Star Wars" plays nicely as a sound bite, but the engineering and strategy don't hold together. Do you have an engineering background in military C4ISR? That will affect how I phrase some comments.

    I am concerned with aspects that you may consider unconstitutional safety net, because public health is part of national security, especially when biological weapons are realities.


    And lets not forget that the realist believes that the center of international politics resides with the states not acts of terrorism.

    Care to rephrase that? I haven't a clue what you mean, whether it's from Machiavelli or Bakunin.
    --
    Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

    Actually Star Wars would have worked. Look at Project Clementine. After it succeded, Clinton chopped it because he realized that it was Star Wars technology.

     

    And my rephrase is that the realist sees the states as the most important actors in international politics, not subnational groups.

    P.S. Sorry, I'm a horrible speller.

    I am aware of Project Clementine, and it was never tested as a full-up system. In any event, after the collapse of the fUSSR, I see "Star Wars" NBMD as a relatively low priority when compared to other threats, especially when TBMD is operational and a number of the likely threats are within its range. TBMD, incidentally, is more stabilizing for the world as a whole, because it can help damage limitation in regional conflicts that literally would never show up on NBMD radar. The ability to shoot down missiles that two sides are launching at one another brings a whole new dimension to the concept of peacekeeping.

    As far as actors in international politics, I agree partially but not completely. Certainly, customary international law is totally oriented to nation-states. The current reality, however, is that there are important transnational actors, be they multinational corporations with massive economic effects, terrorist organizations with potent weapons, or even nongovernmental humanitarian organizations other than the Red Cross. None of these are handled well by things such as the UN Charter, or the Hague and Geneva Conventions. International law needs an update to deal with transnationals, as well as failed states such as Somalia.

    *tips symbolic hat* thanks for the rephrase!

    --
    Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

    "Given the shaky track record of these defenses even in highly controlled tests, activating the defense strikes me as a stupid move."

    Shaky track record against the new Russian moveable warheads, but against the simpler missiles technology of N. Korea the U.S. defense system is overpowering.

    "no chance that North Korea can hit the U.S. with a nuclear warhead".

    There is no way any of us could know whether North Korea can hit or not hit the U.S. with a nuclear warhead unless we had top security clearance inside N. Korea.

    "it risks the chance of undermining whatever deterrent value the missile defense has, if the U.S. tries and fails to shoot a North Korean missile down".

    Not to try because we might fail? I do not see as an option, especially if N. Korean can reach the U.S.

    Stage magicians use lovely assistants to distract the audience from what the performer is actually doing. Neither GWB nor Dick Cheney nor Don Rumsfeld qualify as lovely assistants, but there is definitely some misdirection here.

    Maybe I'm assuming too much, having previously posted, in the context of Darfur, that anyone in the policy levels of the Administration ever looks at a map. In this case, if they had, they would note that the North Korean launch site, like Cape Kennedy and Vandenberg AFB, is coastal.

    Whether one argues three or twelve mile international waters, it is quite plausible that US Burke or Ticonderoga VLS ships, equipped with the SM-3 missile and appropriate battle management software and AEGIS radar updates, could engage that missile in the boost phase, as it leaves the pad. True, a boost phase intercept can't know definitively if the missile is aimed at the US. A midcourse interceptor such as the Ft. Richardson system has a better chance, and a terminal area defense with SM-3 or land PATRIOT PAC-3 would know.

    In other words, with all the hoopla about activating the NBMD system, and assuming that we deployed Burke II class destroyers carrying SM-3, there was a potent antimissile system already deployed, which could be activated with the turn of a key.

    Yes, there would need to be a decision to take out the missile when it was being launched. It is questionable if the missile actually could hit targets in the western US, but Guam, Okinawa, and Hawaii are all targets that it would have a much better chance of hitting, and all would be unprotected by Ft. Richardson.

    There is a large naval exercise in progress near Guam, and possibly ships in those units could put up an SM-3 terminal defense over Guam. Hawaii is apt to have an SM-3 capable ship at Pearl Harbor, and one certainly could deploy to Okinawa.

    Why are we arguing about activating a system that might not even be able to see a warhead aimed at Guam, when there are other systems available?

    --
    Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

    The hard parts of missile nukes are the pesky engineering details of miniaturizing the warhead and increasing the throw weight of the missile. Neither is easy, and the US and Russia spent decades chasing incremental improvements.

    These are not the result of seeing a blueprint, but of learning the arts of precision machining and enhancing reliablity of control systems. Like learning to play trumpet, it's not enough to be told how. Plutonium nukes are really hard to make (and make work). Uranium nukes aren't small enough for missiles.

    When North Norea can orbit a satellite I'll start to worry, a little. When they test a nuke I'll worry. Until then, let's all relax. Better to let them think we're so confident we don't have to even paint their missile with radar, rather than preemptively attack their beginner's effort.

    Agreed. I worry some about DPRK nuclear development, but not so much about their long-range missile potential. You make an excellent point about throw-weight. Given the much greater yield-to-weight ratio of thermonuclear weapons, I have never heard it suggested that any nation with ICBMs ever used other than thermonuclear weapons. Yes, there were experiments in increasing yield-to-weight of pure fission, such as Ted Taylor's "Hamlet" design, but these were experiments involving live testing and were abandoned.

    Medium range missiles probably can be effective with fission warheads, which is a justification for theater ballistic missile defense (TBMD) with boost-phase and terminal intercept, but not for the national BMD midcourse intercept system. It is unclear if countries with IRBM/MRBM with nuclear weapons have been able to progress to tritium-boosted fission. There are unconfirmed reports that India's attempts at tritium boosting failed. South Africa did not attempt it, since gravity bombs were adequate for their delivery requirements. There's no good data if Israel has achieved boosted fission.

    I can find no good reason why China would have given even a stolen miniaturized design to North Korea. Even having the warhead design, however, does not complete the weapons system. There is a considerable coupling between the mechanical properties of a warhead and the design of the missile that lifts it. The Chinese have demonstrated ICBM capability with their DF-5 and DF-24, although it's not clear which warhead designs were mated to them. There are reports that the US W88 warhead design, which is the design claimed to be in Chinese hands, made a major breakthrough in launch efficiency by being the first design to put the heavier Primary at the base of a necessarily conical reentry vehicle. Weight at the base is much more efficient for the missile.

    There is legitimate concern that North Korea does have a nuclear capability that would threaten Seoul, 30 miles from the border. A large weapon also could be smuggled into the US, or deployed or detonated from a submarine. North Korean submarine crews have previously committed suicide to avoid capture, so a suicide submarine with an on-board nuclear device is not implausible. North Korea is not terribly strong in quiet submarine technology, and a smaller sub released from a surface mothership is not a trivial exercise in engineering.
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    Howard

    *equal opportunity offense to both extremes*

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