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Go part-time or take a break? Which hurts you less in the long run?

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Many moms, on overload, ponder whether to go part-time or take a career break. Which hurts your earning power less in the long run should -- God forbid -- you end up divorced?

Going part-time is often harder to pull off, because so many workplaces still send the message that either you are “committed” 24/7 or you are not committed at all. Because husbands get the same message, some put pressure on their wives to “opt out” – though they tend to do so not by openly insisting that their wives stay home, but by saying “I will support whatever you want” but then not carrying their weight at home. “[My husband] has always said to me, ‘You can do whatever you want to do.’ But he’s not there to pick up any load,” said one woman interviewed for an important 2004 study by Pamela Stone and Meg Lovejoy.

Stone and Lovejoy also present some news you can use if you are struggling with the decision to cut back or leave the workplace altogether:

Part-time is clearly better economically. The “job flexibility penalty” – the average penalty for going part-time – is much lower than the “career flexibility penalty” – the average penalty for interrupting one’s career to stay home. The part-time penalty is 11%, according to a study by Columbia professor Jane Waldfogel, whereas the average career-break penalty is 20% for one year out of the labor force and 30% for two-three years out.

Heads up ladies.


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The part-time penalty is 11%, according to a study by Columbia professor Jane Waldfogel, whereas the average career-break penalty is 20% for one year out of the labor force and 30% for two-three years out.

Wow!  Try 15 years!  I tried part-time when my daughter was four and her twin brothers came along.  I felt guilty when I was at work because I wasn't satisfied with the mess of child-care; I felt guilty when I was at home because I wasn't doing everything I had done when I was full-time at work.

Leaving a job I loved was the hardest thing for me, but financial considerations were not a part of it at the time.  Fast-forward a few years:  divorce (not my idea, or desire); a move to another city ( I chose to relocate so the children would have a relationship with their father); breast cancer (not my choice, of course, but a terrible diagnosis for someone who has to have private health insurance).

OK, so 15 years later at the ripe old age of 57 (and needing income) I was looking for a job as a nurse.  It took me 1  1/2 YEARS to get an interview.  I finally got 2.  I also got 2 job offers, because I am smart, and a good nurse, but I got an entry-level job, and only part-time.

Had I stayed in the work-force I would be pulling in quite a bit more, and I would not be working so hard at proving myself in a new area of practice, but I am glad I was at home, and I think my kids are better prepared for the world as well.

There is no right answer here.  There is a partial right answer, and it is UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, and also GOOD, DEPENDABLE CHILD CARE; both of which are a part of life in every other developed country.  It is much harder to be a mother here, in the US because there is no community support.  Ask any French, German, Italian, Canadian, Slovenian, Spanish (you can supply the rest) if they've ever even heard of the term "car pool."  Not necessary!  Public transportation; neighborhood programs; family-friendly lifestyles.  The only "children" the republicans support are those who are unborn.  And they sure as hell don't care about their mothers!

Rick Santorum is right for the wrong reason when he refutes Hillary Clinton -- he says, "It Takes a Family."  That is right, because there is no Village.  The Republicans have seen to that!

In the end kids are a lifestyle choice and how the person chooses to raise them is a lifestyle choice as well. Kind of like my dog. I like to go home at lunch and walk him, so I have to live close to work. By limiting myself to employers that are close enough that I can walk home during lunch, I have probably hurt my earning potential, but the loss of money is offset by the enjoyment I get from having a happy pet. The same can be said of kids, they are probably going to harm your income potential, it is almost impossible to work on weekends and work OT to complete projects if you have to be at soccer games and doctor appointments and such. but hopefully the joy the kids bring you offsets the income you lose.

I think mothers should take as much time off as they can swing financially. You only go around once and what would you rather have for memories when you are in the nursing home - 60 hour work weeks or waiting for the ice cream man when your kids were little?

On that we can agree: the idea that you can have kids, be there for them, and not sacrifice your career somewhat doesn't work for most people in modern America.  (I think a fair number of middle/upper-middle class find this hard to accept.) But the question of how to do it in a way that doesn't give anyone - kids, mother or father - the short end of the stick, that's harder.  Given the 50% divorce rate, a parent that opts to stay home is taking a serious long-term risk.  But meaningful and well-paid part time work isn't that easy to come by, for most folks.  

For many people MEANINGFUL work, be it part-time or full-time is difficult to find, I think that is a big part of the reason that depression is such a problem in America.

For about a year now I have worked in an extremely "family friendly" enviroment, Moms and dads are allowed time off for almost any school function, work schedules almost always revolve around car pool duty and other parental functions. These people do not seem to be happier than other people that I have worked with. Also, it still produces a two tiered system because the people who are coming and going around school functions and sick children, seem to always miss chances to stand out, so they miss chances at promotions and miss chances to solve a problem or handle a crisis, which for most people is what leads to job satisfaction(at least that is what leads to satisfaction for me) In many cases these parents are far smarter and better at their job than the people who seem to get recognition, but if you are not at work it is pretty hard to see how good someone is at their job. These same people who know they are smarter than thier co-workers start to resent that they are getting left behind and unfortunately they do not get that they are making-up for their lack of job satisfaction with a lot of family satisfaction. 90% of success is showing up and if your life is always filled with distractions showing up is much more difficult.

I don't think that this situation can be fixed with politics.

I think there are policy things that can make a difference, but I doubt that there are political solutions to the problem, as you've spelled it out.  Work that feels meaningful is difficult to find, and to tangent on your suggestion that this is why depression seems to be on the rise, I think that may be right.  To a degree, further, I don't know that there is much encouragement for looking for work that you find meaningful (and it's perhaps arguable that you can't have a functioning society without a significant lack of worker satisfaction in this sense - in any big social group, there are lots of jobs that must be done for common survival that nonetheless feel fairly sysiphean).  And, if the evolutionary theory of depression is correct, and depression has evolved to ensure that members of social groups work to find a niche that fits their talents, rather than all compete for alpha status, the cutthroat competition, not to mention insecurity due to outsourcing, might trigger the mechanism that makes us depressed.

So much for lengthy digression.  The work thing I think is ultimately a problem with imperfect solutions at best.  If you're a parent, you can choose to stay competitive and get ahead, you can choose to opt out entirely and find some other way to make things work (stay at home, work for yourself, something), or you can play it down the middle, keep working, but accept that you're losing something at work to have more flexibility at home.  But you have to accept that you're going to be overstretched, stressed, and probably feeling guilty one way or the other a fair amount of the time.  For me, I find that it's worth it (maybe because I'm pretty sure that I'd be less happy if I won the lottery).

To the extent that there is a solution, it's fatalism, if you ask me.  Which is hard to legislate.  

 

Now, whether there are things we can do to make work more flexible, I think we can and we should.  But as your workplace shows, making work more accommodating doesn't necessarily mean happy workers.  For that, I guess what you need is: happy workers. 

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Well said

For some reason when it comes to parenting many people seem unwilling to accept the tradeoffs. I wonder if part of that is not just the American way. It is possible to eliminate some of the financial strains with a better a social safety net and better paying part-time jobs, but in terms of job satisfaction I have a feeling the people who are happy at thier jobs are always going to be the people who live for their job and a family just gets in the way of that.

Re: Work that feels meaningful is difficult to find,

Well, this has been true for all of history. The answer is simple enough: donlt look for fulfillment through your job, look for it elsewhere in life (loving relationships, kids, pets, engrossing hobbies, education, political and charitable activism, religion etc.) Work to live, don't live to work.

CVille Dem, while we may have differed on other topics, I just wanted to tell you that after reading what you've been through, and the way you've handled it, I'd be proud to count you among friends, relations or colleagues. And yet, you see where our points of view have differed in the past, which likely have something to do with mutual perceptions that are unknown. The political partitioning that we do in our minds sometimes bars us from acting as a diverse viewpoint holders to accomplish a common good wherein new routes to solving long held divisions could await.

Your post made me wonder if we could have an anti-partisan compromise between Clinton and Santorum: "It takes a village of families who share a basic belief in a common purpose, and who like working together to see it through." Drop the rhetoric, insults, Freudian analyses etc. and undermine those who use such tools to marginalize those who do their politics in good faith and not just to perpetuate advantage. Party politics *within* parties is "divide and conquer" politics by those with money, social influence, previous arrangements and connections within the respective parties, so that conventions sway in their direction.

On anti-abortion and choice politics, for example, I like approaches such as Prof. Mary Ann Glendon's who pointed out how the hard line ideologies on both sides of the politicized debate do not realistically deal with resolving the problem, i.e. reducing and eliminating both abortions and their real and perceived causes.

As for expensive foreign policies that both parties undertake in office that often militate against more spending on universal health or on educational equality, it is part of the partisan environment that one would perceive the need to commit breaches of the system to actually get anything valuable done. This was the premise of Robert Kaplan's 2002 book "Warrior Politics: Why Leadership Demands a Pagan Ethos," which I believe helped form up much of the Neocon approach on the Defense Department advisory councils to a comprehensive amoral foreign policy that is more like that of other nations who aren't criticized for amoral policy near as much because they're not the big guy on the block. This is one reason why I have made a point to balance out criticism of Russia of late, is that folks are forgetting that Russia is still a world power with the military capability to destroy the world. Russian nuclear subs still cruise the Atlantic armed with nuclear missiles. I would suggest that this is not because they fear France.

Have you read Kaplan's book? If you do, I'd be interested to see your thoughts on it when you compare its prescriptions with what has been happening of late.

Mike.  Wow!  I guess there is hope for our country.  I appreciate your thoughtful response, and I will read Kaplan's book.

Now that I have your ear, I want to explain one thing that I think is the most misunderstood part of the Universal Health Care debate.  I don't think it should be a free, socialized, service.  I don't even think the term "insurance" applies.  We buy fire insurance with the hope and expectation that our house won't catch on fire.  We buy automobile accident insurance (in fact we are REQUIRED BY LAW to buy it) with the hope and expectation that we will not have a car accident.

However, we all need check-ups.  We all need immunizations.  We (women) all need  mammograms and pap smears.  So insurance is the wrong program to cover these expenses.  It is to the benefit of our community to have healthy people just as it is to have an educated populace (that is why we have public schools).

The only way it can be cost-effective is to combine everyone in one huge (shared) risk-group.  Fat people, smokers, the aged and the infirm must be in the same group with the young and healthy in order to make it work.   Just as all car-owners must buy car insurance, every citizen who can, should buy into the public health system.  Those who cannot pay can be covered by the government at a far cheaper cost than Medicaid and Medicare (which currently manage the sickest and the most needy, with NO healthy citizens for balance).

Companies, which now cannot compete with places like Canada because of the sky-rocketing costs of health insurance would find themselves on a more even playing field.   We have the advantage of being able to look and learn from all the other developed countries who already have this in place.  We can pick and choose.  We can take only the parts of their programs that would work for us.

Well, I have gone on a tangent, but I really believe that this is an issue that can make or break our country.

Mike, I will find Kaplan's book and read it.  In the mean time, I just want to say again that I so appreciate your response to my post.  I'll keep in touch!

Jan Knaus

I agree with you, except to the degree that maybe I don't.

First, it's worth noting that the nonprofit sector is one of the fastest growing elements of the American economy in the past decade or so - not to say that there aren't crappy, unfulfilling and ultimately pointless jobs in nonprofits (I've had at least one), but it does go to show that more Americans are seeking jobs with some kind of meaning.  There are limits on how large this sector can grow, since it is in a sense parasitic on the for-profit sector, but it's an interesting development.

On an unrelated line, I also find myself thinking, more and more as I get older, that satisfaction isn't so much about external circumstance as it is about internal dispositions.  The people I know who are dissatisfied with one area of their lives very often are dissatisfied with many.  Conversely, the people who are satisfied with their jobs are generally of two sorts: those who find a way to like whatever it is they do, and those who find something to do that they can like.  Both strategies, I'd venture to guess, are generalizable, and those who use them have that approach to other elements of their lives.

Hi Jan, sorry I fell off of the earth for a while.

Wouldn't you know it, I'm supposed to be sleeping off a surgery but can't. I'm actually wired.

I too appreciate your response and thinking. I like your viewpoint that we can pick and choose from the working items on the public policy and leadership menu. I used to disdain that because of egoism on my part, I think, such as when I attacked a plan to imitate policy from Philadelphia here in Denver regarding the homelessness problem.

The Philadelphia program involved more of a benevolent dictator approach to homeless persons to not only get them off of the street, but force them into programs that help them recover from many of the maladies that keep them on the street and susceptible to street crime and weather extremes which kill and injure them.

I still differ with that program as it is insufficient in itself, and relies on federal funds not in ways that differ as much from past such reliances, rather than those that encourage the institution of permanent, locally based systems for helping people who are homeless to help themselves -- that is, market-based, private-business investments in permanent solutions for those who are homeless that honored their constitutional rights. And the honoring of the constitutional rights is one of the problems with the Denver approach in my view, because it relies on the fiat of officials without enough due process for the individuals. There are too many penalties that inhibit progress too.

Now, it could be argued that those with capacity issues may not even fully understand their rights and so may at some point have to be forced to take medication or be broken from drinking binges or abusive relationships on the street for example.

I like our Mayor Hickenlooper, and especially that he turned down a governor slot to focus on the work of Denver in which he has not accomplished all of the goals he wants to, i.e. stabilizing and raising morale in the police department and bringing the homeless into healing, productive living situations.

I also like Bill Ritter who is running for Colorado governor, by the way.

Let me know what you think of Kaplan's "Warrior Politics: Why Leadership Demands a Pagan Ethos".

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