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How We Take It Back

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The debate here at TPM Cafe over Hostile Takeover has now moved into the second clause of the book’s subtitle – "how we take it back." It’s an important question – and as I told the Jobs Now Coalition in St. Paul today, I wouldn’t have included that clause if I wrote the book 10 years from now, as I believe if we don’t act now, we won’t ever be able to take it back.

There are three parts to analyze here: what the politics of taking our government back look like, what the policies look like and how to actually implement those policies.

1. How We Take It Back - The Politics

In his latest post, Ruy Teixeira is focused only on the politics not the policy, which is understandable – he’s a public opinion analyst, and we certainly need good politics and good policy if we are to fight the hostile takeover. He makes some good points about how "the key weakness of the progressive coalition is very weak support among white working class voters." Where he goes wrong is in distorting/misinterpreting poll numbers and Hostile Takeover's proposed prescriptions.

For instance, Ruy correctly acknowledges that polls show voters in general and white working class voters in particular "are already quite hostile to big business, believe corporations are taking unfair advantage of the system and think Bush and the Republicans push corporate interests over and above that of the public's." He also correctly notes that "Democrats have been doing especially poorly among white working class voters." But he then concludes that that means "clearly, these voters do not see progressives as representing their aspirations for a prosperous, stable middle class life."

Notice that ever-so-slight, too-cute-by-half change of language: "Democrats" suddenly becomes "progressives" – a mistake too many make.

The reason "Democrats have been doing especially poorly among white working class voters" at the same time these voters "are already quite hostile to big business, believe corporations are taking unfair advantage of the system and think Bush and the Republicans push corporate interests over and above that of the public's" is precisely because the party has for the last decade refused to embrace the progressive populists within its ranks. These are the very same progressive populists who are willing to challenge Big Money interests; the very same progressive populists that are defying D.C.’s conventional wisdom and (as I saw firsthand in working as a strategist for Brian Schweitzer in 2000 and 2004) winning working class voters in red America.

Ruy, in fact, actually proves my point in his own essay. If we are to accept Ruy's conclusion that the voters we need already "believe corporations are taking unfair advantage of the system and think Bush and the Republicans push corporate interests over and above that of the public's" - then the logical conclusion shouldn’t be that Democrats need to behave more like Republicans. The logical conclusion should be that Democrats have not effectively represented a vehicle to challenge those corporations, those unfair advantages, and that right-wing machine which has ignored the public interest – and that if they start doing just that as a national party as progressives have been demanding, they will succeed.

The flip side is also true. For instance, we cannot blame progressive politics for John Kerry's inability to win working class voters in places like Ohio when Kerry has long embraced Washington, D.C.’s "free" trade orthodoxy, and on the campaign trail refused to embrace a serious, cogent message that describes how he would reform that trade policy to make sure it stops decimating these regions' white working class jobs, wages, and economic security. Instead, we can and should blame Kerry and the Democratic Party's unwillingness to champion a progressive populist message on trade (such as the one concretely proposed in Hostile Takeover) that would provide a vehicle for these working class voters' aspirations for a government that stops selling America out.

Similarly, we cannot, as Ruy does, claim it is somehow progressives' supposed failure to represent working class aspirations that is the cause of the Democratic Party's failure to win these voters when big chunks of anti-progressive, bought-off Democrats disregard progressive Democrats within their ranks and voted for working-class-crushing travesties like (to name just a few) the bankruptcy and energy bills. That's not progressives' fault - that's Democrats refusal to be progressive that is causing the problem.

More generally, Beltway types will claim that because Democrats haven’t won more of these working-class voters, that means these voters won't respond to class-based, progressive populist politics. But as Ruy essentially admits, these voters possess at least an openness to class-based politics as evidenced by "their hostil[ity] to big business and believe that "corporations are taking unfair advantage of the system." That this anger hasn't been maximized by Democrats speaks far less about a supposed antithesis to class-based politics than about the failure of today’s Democratic Party to maximize the potential for class-based politics by embracing progressive populism. And frankly, to claim any different is to go out of your way to create a fictional narrative (that conveniently serves Big Money’s desire to play down class populism) rather than face facts.

2. How We Take It Back - The Policy

On policy, Ruy says my book "comes up short" in proposing a winning political formula because it "simply throw[s] more truth at them [which] is unlikely, by itself, to have that much effect."

Let’s be clear – my book was never written to be a political strategy playbook. But even if it was, Ruy is setting up a straw man, at least when it comes to a debate over Hostile Takeover. No one (other than perhaps Seinfeld-Strategy-weilding congressional Democrats who have refused to take official positions on all sorts of issues) is suggesting "simply throwing more truth at them." And certainly, Hostile Takeover isn't suggesting that. Each chapter in Hostile Takeover includes concrete proposals that - if Democrats embraced them - would show that the party was serious not only about criticizing a broken system, but also about fixing it.

Don’t go buy the book simply trusting me that this is the case – trust the critics. It was the Washington Monthly that said Hostile Takeover "argues that on each issue, there is a set of public solutions - responsible and achievable - that would answer the takeover and restore public trust." It was Matt Yglesias – not exactly a fan of my work – who acknowledged that in Hostile Takeover, "Right-wing talking points on the full spectrum of economic issues are debunked [and] progressive alternatives vociferously defended." These alternatives are designed both to solve problems, and to convert the public’s sense of anger that Ruy acknowledges into concrete policy prescriptions (I won’t go into an issue-by-issue description of what Hostile Takeover proposes – you can go check out the book for that).

3. How We Take It Back - The Implementation

That gets us to Elizabeth Warren’s critical question: what do we have to do to take the proposed solutions and make them law? Again, I have a whole chapter on this very question, and you can go check out the book for the in-depth write-up. But as a preview, here are two suggestions.

First and foremost, we’ve got to start focusing on politics in our backyard – not just national politics. The media and the political elite in Washington want us only focused on federal politics. They seem to think, as ABC’s The Note epitomizes, that the only thing that is important in politics is what a bunch of suits in D.C. decide is important. Though that might make the self-important Washington political operatives, pundits and media chattering class feel good about itself, nothing could be further from the truth.

State, county and municipal policy often affects people's daily economic lives in far more profound ways than even federal policy. That's not to say that federal policy isn't important, but it is to say that there are other arenas for engagement. And because the hostile takeover is far less pronounced in these other arenas, it means citizens still have an ability to affect policy at this level, elect good people to office, and make real change. Put 20 people in a room with your city council person and demand something from them, and you will see that while they may not fully switch their position or do exactly what you ask, they are listening a hell of a lot more than your average national politician.

The other reason to get local is because these city council people, county commissioners and state legislators are going to be tomorrow’s congressmen, senators and presidents. We’ve got to get to them now before they become co-opted by Washington’s money-drenched indoctrination system.

The second suggestion Hostile Takeover puts forward is a demand that progressives put public financing of elections at the center of our movement - not just leave it as a peripheral issue. I’ve written a lot about this before - and about how it is a travesty that progressives and the Democratic Party still refused to make public financing proposals within their midst a national theme , even in the wake of the Abramoff/Delay/Cunningham scandals where with a bit of work it could be made to resonate even more powerfully with the public than normal.

Oh sure, Big Money interests will deride public financing of elections as "welfare for politicians." But the simple truth is that we get what we pay for. Elections are going to be financed by someone. If we allow elections to continue to be financed by Big Money, we will always have a government that represents Big Money. If we are willing to pay for our election system, we will get far closer to getting a government that represents us. And if you are worried about the cost of a public financing system you need look no further than Duke Cunningham and the over-the-top earmarking abuses to know that taxpayers are already paying a far greater price under the current system of legalized bribery.

You can tell just how important public financing of elections really is by the opposition to it. As just one example, in Portland, Big Money interests are pouring their cash into a campaign to repeal that city’s public financing system. These interests know that if a system exists to free political leaders from the grips of corporate campaign cash, government policy may be a whole lot different. That is, a whole lot more representative of ordinary citizens’ interests.

As I said, for the other suggestions I have for taking it back, go check out the book. But remember the bottom line: we still have a chance to take back our government, as long as we have the guts to start fighting the real fight that we all know is at the center of American politics, but that too many in the Establishment want to pretend is not important: namely, the conflict between those who want to let Big Money interests continue to run roughshod over our country, and those of us who think America deserves better.

To be sure, there are always going to be well-funded, corporate-sponsored voices telling us we shouldn't really be angry that our political leaders are selling off our democracy, that we should just tone it down, that we should back off, and that the political elite really supports everything that we are pushing for, when in fact they clearly do not. That's exactly what the Establishment wants - us to retreat, stand down, and fool ourselves into thinking everything is O.K. But that's exactly what we shouldn't do. We must instead refuse to be intimidated, refuse to relent, refuse to swallow the poll-tested fictions. We must, in short, fight back.


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"The reason "Democrats have been doing especially poorly among white working class voters" at the same time these voters "are already quite hostile to big business, believe corporations are taking unfair advantage of the system and think Bush and the Republicans push corporate interests over and above that of the public's" is precisely because the party has for the last decade refused to embrace the progressive populists within its ranks."

So basically the Sirota meme, is NOT that populism and opposition to the corporocratic corporatocracy does nothing to inspire republican leaning voters, but that the Democratic party has not sufficiently embraced populism & class-warfare enough, and if they surely did this, white working class voters would come running...

This may be a pleasant fiction, but I'll stick with Teixiera on this.

"These are the very same progressive populists who are willing to challenge Big Money interests; the very same progressive populists that are defying D.C.’s conventional wisdom and (as I saw firsthand in working as a strategist for Brian Schweitzer in 2000 and 2004) winning working class voters in red America."

What conventional wisdom would that be? Not running on the same ticket as a Republican & not making a push for white working class voters?


"The flip side is also true. For instance, we cannot blame progressive politics for John Kerry's inability to win working class voters in places like Ohio when Kerry has long embraced Washington, D.C.’s "free" trade orthodoxy,"

Did the orthodoxy of "free trade" really come from Washington D.C.? You think anything in economics might have something to do with it?

"More generally, Beltway types will claim that because Democrats haven’t won more of these working-class voters, that means these voters won't respond to class-based, progressive populist politics. But as Ruy essentially admits, these voters possess at least an openness to class-based politics as evidenced by "their hostil[ity] to big business and believe that "corporations are taking unfair advantage of the system."

Yes, that means they think Corporations should play by the rules, just like everyone else. They don't however, see themselves locked in a class-based war vacuum that consists of them (and you) versus the mighty corporations & their corporate corporationy ways.

"That this anger hasn't been maximized by Democrats speaks far less about a supposed antithesis to class-based politics than about the failure of today’s Democratic Party to maximize the potential for class-based politics by embracing progressive populism. And frankly, to claim any different is to go out of your way to create a fictional narrative (that conveniently serves Big Money’s desire to play down class populism) rather than face facts."

So basically, opposition to or even disagreement with Sirotaism is nothing less than a cynical ploy by intentionally dishonest people who are probably slaves to their corporate masters. Wow, you're in rare form today, even for you.

"First and foremost, we’ve got to start focusing on politics in our backyard – not just national politics. The media and the political elite in Washington want us only focused on federal politics. They seem to think, as ABC’s The Note epitomizes, that the only thing that is important in politics is what a bunch of suits in D.C. decide is important. Though that might make the self-important Washington political operatives, pundits and media chattering class feel good about itself, nothing could be further from the truth."

So let me get this straight, the popularity of news programs dedicated to Federal & National politics is not A: a response to the high profile nature of the Federal Government & Presidential politics as compared to State & city government, nor B: Easily explained as to how odd a national program exclusively dedicated to the Delaware state legislature, but rather C: a Nefarious plot by the media & political elite (and no doubt "Big Money" has some role in this) to lure us away from focusing on State Government issues in our own backyard and reinforce a belief that only National politics matters. Wow, when I said you were in rare form earlier, that was an understatement.

"To be sure, there are always going to be well-funded, corporate-sponsored voices telling us we shouldn't really be angry that our political leaders are selling off our democracy, that we should just tone it down, that we should back off, and that the political elite really supports everything that we are pushing for, when in fact they clearly do not. That's exactly what the Establishment wants - us to retreat, stand down, and fool ourselves into thinking everything is O.K. But that's exactly what we shouldn't do. We must instead refuse to be intimidated, refuse to relent, refuse to swallow the poll-tested fictions. We must, in short, fight back."

So instead of actually responding to Ed Kilgore in this forum you assumedly agreed to participate in, you slither a link to a piece at Common Dreams laughing at him for getting mad at yopu essentially calling him a corporate prostitute. Way to speak truth to power their buddy.

I'm sure we already know the answer, but while you're at least pretending to be participating in this book club rather than using the forum as a venue for promotion, are you saying that Mr. Kilgore's opinions are not indeed his own, or are not formed in good faith, but rather, the paid statements of a corporate interest?

I often state something to the effect of that you are by far the most useless/stupidest pundit/intellectual whatever, in the progressive sphere. What isn't mentioned as much is just how loathesome an individual person you are too.

There may be a more compelling reason to adopt a more active and prominent populist viewpoint. First of all, I am not so sure that it has been tried before in my lifetime. Of course, by the very nature of the positions and constituencies of the two parties, every Democratic campaign has someelements of populism; but very few Democratic campaigns in my lifetime have given populism more than a glancing nod. Gore's campaign was a bit more explicit; although I do not think it ever was willing to bite the bullet and really make populism a strong centerpiece. Nevertheless, Gore certainly did much better than Kerry who ran away from populist ideas. There is another issue here...we need to change the direction this country is heading in a fundamental way not in a cosmetic way. And populism...empowering unions, universal healthcare, rising real wages, greater access to higher education, better public transit, greater environmental protection, are the essential direction we should want this country to be going. So populism is the correct political direction and it is the right thing to do morally. Even if we lose, we stand for something. Now most people have no idea what Dems stand for.

But the problem is quite a bit greater because the Dems are a very divided party. The two contending factions in fact want very different things. The liberal/progressive/left want nothing less than a fundamental change in the direction this country is going. This is anathema to the centrists not because they don't think the left can be elected; in fact they do not WANT it to be elected, they see no need for fundamental change, they want to defeat Republicans yes but change their policies only slightly...from Iraq to tax cuts to social security privatization...the center/right/moderates want a more human touch but the Bush policies are not revolting to them (of course, the centrists believe they could effect these policies more efficiently and more equitably). It seems to me this is no small difference. When the Republicans say the Dems have no ideas they are half-right; since the center-right-moderate faction in fact accepts the Republican ideas just wanting them implemented somewhat more humanely. I think this is why the centrists need to get space from the progressive/left often using Republican stereotypes and adopting Republican languageto demonize the left and to frame the debate so the progressiv left is outside the pale. To change this country, (not just replace Republican faces with Democratic faces presiding over corporate policies at home and go-at-it-alone/neocon aggression abroad, it is essential for the Dems to decide its identity. The two groups want very different things.

Yes, that means they think Corporations should play by the rules, just like everyone else. 

No -- they ARE playing by the rules.

The problem is, the rules have to change. The system is rigged against The People.  

 

Dissent Protects Democracy

Populism has to start from the bottom, that why it's called that. It is a movement by the people against the powerful elite. It has never succeeded in US electoral politics.

The most prominent version was the Populists of the 1890-1920 era. They failed to win any real electoral power, but did change the tone of political discourse (aided by the original Muckrakers). The result was Teddy Roosevelt and the adoption of various policies including the FDA, SEC and anti-trust legislation.

FDR was not a populist movement, neither was the New Deal. It was a group of progessive intellectuals who used the extreme economic distress of the period to try out a variety of experimental social programs (CCC, WPA, etc.) as well as the ones that lasted like Social Security.

Currently the people are grumbling, but not enough to force a change in policies. There may be lots of reasons for this. Hopelessness by the working class, slow adaptation by the middle class to a stagnating standard of living, euphoria by those in the upper half of the economy as they see their share of the economic pie expand, are some possibilities.

The policies of the Dems and Republicans over the past 50 years have not been sufficiently different that people see a strong reason to change their usual political affiliations. Perhaps we will see a change in majority party in the next election, but probably this will be as a result of disgust with corruption, or merely "it's time for a change".

Look at the CBO data (PDF) over the past 50 years on the percentage of federal spending for each major sector and you won't be able to tell which party was in power. The numbers vary by only a few percent. So not only is there little popular support for wholesale change, but there is little institutional interest either. And to make the whole thing even less likely the big money interests control not only the levers of government and industry, but the press as well. Where would a progressive movement get the funding to support a real challenge? How would their target audience of the working- and middle-class even hear about it?

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

The Republicans clearly know there is a hostility toward big corporations. If you listen to their pitches they are directed toward small businesses, even presenting the repeal of the estate tax in populist terms.

If Demcorats are going to target big corporations what will be the alternative? Who will supply jobs? The traditional creator of jobs are small businesses. Should Democrats support less regulation for smaller business and reduction of taxes on capital formation?

It rhetorical campaign of us versus them with for example Gore ran, led Gore to barely win the popular vote after 8 years of no war and a booming economy. How are Demcorats going to include not just white working people but the likely employers of those people?

Daniel A. Greenbaum


I found the exchange with Teixeira on the topic of appealing to the white working class in the above post fascinating.

I don't understand why Sirota assumes that this demographic is naturally sympathetic to the "progressive" cause. They may well have negative views regarding "big money". However, the "progressive agenda" presumably includes a lot more that a populist backlash against business elites, real and perceived. Its entirely possible to be anti-wall st while also being anti-abortion, anti-affirmative action, anti-welfare, etc.

Moreover, is it appropriate to hitch electoral success to fanning populist anti-elite sentiment? For all the excesses of the corporate world, isn't it execessive to go on an anti-business tirade? What about working to address the problems of the corporate world?

I don't worry that Democrats have hijacked the label "progressive" so much as that a position on NAFTA can. I'm sorry, maybe I'm an elitist. Maybe I'm more worried about war, health care, the enviroment, social security, and tax cuts for the rich. But either way I just don't identify with that on a core level of my ideological beliefs. And you guys are going to do a lot more to convince me that this makes me (or, say, Krugman) the DINO sellout.

I also don't think it works as politics. It was the Nader issue, and that was useless. It's also not good as a way of articulating (articulating at last, some would say) what we "stand for." To the extent that it resonates even remotely with most Americans more than those other things, it plays to the GOP agenda of bashing poor people at our borders rather than the killers here. So, I keep repeating, does the entire whining about us versus the insiders, government, and business. The GOP has ruined America with just that line.

That's also a problem with centering an agenda around finance reform. But generally it's hard to begin with procedural issues. Hey, I'd be glad if we got rid of the electoral college, too, but remaking the system rather than saying what you want the system to do is a total nonstarter. There is also the minor detail that it's harder to achieve and that we'd have to convince the courts that spending is not speech.

John

http://www.haberarts.com/

Keep up the good work, Sirota.

I have a feeling that populism, properly rooted, is simply another form of, or an agent of, humanism.

Unless I misunderstand what you're saying (I think you're saying that taking an anti-free-trade position is a loser, politically) - I disagree - don't have time to go into it here, but I would point you to congressman Sherrod Brown's excellent "Myths of Free Trade" book - I think he addresses free trade in progrsesive/liberal terms quite well.

It rhetorical campaign of us versus them with for example Gore ran, led Gore to barely win the popular vote after 8 years of no war and a booming economy. 

Clearly Gore's populist pitches were not effective in winning over the white working class vote, in part because the economy was doing so well that they were more inclined to vote on cultural grounds.  Contrary to the DLC-led attacks on Shrumism, its not conclusive proof that such a pitch couldn't work in a national election, especially if it was crafted by a more subtle strategist and delievered by a more agile politician.

 

That being said, the 2000 elections are a clear lesson on the damage caused by left-wingers unfarily blurring the lines between centrist Democrats and conservative Republicans.  The Nader vote is directly responsible for the disaster that is the Bush Administration.  Can anyone in good faith make the argument that just as much corporate looting of the treasury would have occurred in a Gore administration? Can anyone really argue that the SEC, FCC, FTC, EPA and NLRB in the Bush adminsitration hasn't been dramatically more pro-business and hostile to working and middle-class Americans? 

 

So, I'm all for Sirota and company putting populist artillery in the field, especially in the Red States and firing away at the GOP as corporate lackeys.  Clearly, the pro free-trade, pro-immigration, culturally liberal positions that work in New Jersey and California don't play nearly as well in Ohio.  But I remain utterly unconvinced that training their firepower on centrist Democrats accomplishes anything constructive.  And given the stark consequences of what happened in 2000, left-wingers have the burden of showing that these tactics won't backfire again in 2008. 

Can anyone in good faith claim that Biden or Lieberman or Hillary will get us out of Iraq faster than the Republican candidate in 08? Or any DLC/centrist?

Sirota just wants to see some balance in our representation. Right now we have two parties that take too much money from corporate interests and when they take this money from those interests they look out for those interests. You argue that these folk would do it anyway because that's what they believe. If that's the case then they are just like the person they are running against and we still don't have any balance in our representation.

Kilgore and his crew at the DLC are sponsored by corporate money, they may already believe that corporations should come first in politics, but this still doesn't make them right on the issue.

What I want is one group of people in Washington that believe in progressive economic politics balancing out the folks who believe the other way, and Sirota offers us a plan of action to work on this, and this is far from a waste.

If you want to call someone a thieving pig fucker, you'd better be prepared to produce the pig." -- HST

You really see no difference between a populist insurgency within the Democratic party and the Nader 2000 campaign?

Was it unfair of the Naderites to criticize the Dems and their DLC wing (with whom Gore was then associated) or simply unwise to launch their strategy in a third-party vehicle?

FDR and New Deal not populist?

I beg to differ. Yes, there were the New Deal progressive intellectuals but they operated in a populist context that included people like Huey Long who came to power as part of an anti-elite backlash after the 1927 Mississippi floods.

Do you think that the Southern Democrats whose racism had to be appeased by compromise by the progressive New Dealers, were not attracted by the populistic aura of the New Deal?

What was FDR's "malefactors of great wealth" rhetoric if not populist?

Aren't you forgetting people like Fiorello LaGuardia and all the union movements? They weren't populist either?

No, the 1930's looked much different from today, and populism was the most notable feature.

Nader may have had populist ideology but he didn't have populist followers. He didn't spring from populist roots. His appeal was to young college progressives. His movement was populist wannabe, not populist.

Populism isn't an issue, it's an attitude.

Sanders/Feingold 08.

I am a big fan of Sirota. I agree with so much of what he says, and I agree this is the only way to take it back: get local and public financing of elections. Until we get the money out of politics, we don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell on anything.

"Unwise" is way too kind a term. Unhinged is more like it. The Naderites were told in no uncertain terms that they were jeopardizing Gore's campaign and likely ensuring a far worse alternative. They willfully refused to heed these warnings and we are left with the consequences.

His appeal may have been to young college progressives. His core financial support came from the John Edwards branch of the party. These are wealthy single issue people who have no populists tendencies other than the redistribution of wealth through lawsuits in order to get their 33 1/3% cut. It is a very inefficient means to effect the goals of populism.

Whatever effect Nader had on the presidential election, he did not cause the Republican majorities in both houses. The Dems were just out played on every front.

With all the navel gazing going on within the party and the blogosphere we stand a good chance of a repeat performance in 2006.

--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape

I was not talking about Nader but the idiots who supported him. The House had already been lost and the Senate was in jeopardy by one or two seats. The presidency was in the Dems pocket but for the Naderites. It's not navel gazing to ascribe blame where it's due and you assume that Dems can't look backward and forward at the same time which is just silly. I hold these views as well as recently cancelled checks to the DNC, the DNCC and Ned Lamont's campaign which I view as evidence of not being mired in the past.

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