Anti-Anti-Conventional Wisdom on Dem Effectiveness
Without strongly disagreeing with Amy Sullivan’s widely praised piece about how there has been some degree of tactical effectiveness on the part of Democrats in recent months, I’m still disappointed at their relative inability to create a clear impression of what they stand for. Watching Reid mumble on C-SPAN last night about cloture this and cloture that as he kept getting distracted by his continually beeping Blackberry seemed kind of emblematic, unfair though that might be. The message never consistently got through that Democrats are for immigration reform because we want to restore some degree of order, lawfulness, and compassion in communities throughout the country where illegal immigration has led to disorder, illegality, and hostility. While the issue creates deeper divisions on the Right, progressives didn’t effectively explain what we wanted to accomplish – the wonky details got in the way, as usual with us. Everything may end up for the best with respect to that legislation falling by the wayside and the election outcomes, but it continues to be more by default.
Another example has been the deafening silence among Democrats in the wake of John Kerry’s bold proposal for Iraq earlier this week. He actually called for firm, specified deadlines tied to major, complete troop withdrawals. Aside from some brief applause in the blogosphere, nada. What’s with that? Where’s the promised Democratic message linking last year’s fight against Social Security privatization to an agenda for greater economic security in the face of changes in the economy. How about a tax reform plan that would tax income from investments at the same rate as workers pay on their earnings while getting rid of corporate welfare? Tax simplification and fairness, we’re for that, right?
I’m not talking about a big multi-point plan with tons of items. (And, like Matthew, I’m against the off-the-wall universal college proposal that’s apparently coming down the pike). But aside from representing the generic opposing view, the identity of Democrats remains largely mysterious, and the immigration debate reinforced that.















On the 29th of this month Democrats in all 50 states will be going from door to door, talking to people and leaving door hangers which have a 6 point list of what we stand for, very well done. I'm surprised that this list is not given a lot more attention at places like this. It is a welcome step in the right direction and well done too.
Hoppy in Sacramento
April 7, 2006 1:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is what happens when most national leaders are Senators. Senators are in the middle of a swirl ot information, rumors, personalities, money and deadlines. Of necessity they are focused on day to day tactics, and they have to be intimately familiar with government jargon, structure and policies to do even a decent job. Such activities do not translate well to the general public.
Unlike the Republicans, the Democrats do not have captive "news" outlets which translate this for the public and distrubute it. This is not such a bad problem if the Democrats have the Presidency, since a President controls the public political agenda. Right now the Republicans have that also.
This is why we Democrats must resist the urge to nominate a Senator for President. They can't easily make the switch in cultures to communicating mostly one-way to the public.
April 7, 2006 1:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
Greg Anrig's totally right, and Sullivan is coming from a position closer to the center and thus less likely to see compromises. Still, I give Reid and the party credit for much of what she points to. Even more, I give her credit for insisting on how GOP narratives take root. We can't insist enough on how their spin dominate the media and the political circus.
Indeed, we often adopt it ourselves, when we remember Gore or Kerry as a sellout, a flipflopper, slow to respond to smears (presumably unlike Anne Richardson, John McCain, and everyone else Rove has successfully deep-sixed), whatever. Of course we do, because we've had our disagreements with them, because the narrative reinforces our criticism of party directions contrary to our own, and anyhow because they lost. But we shouldn't forget we really are buying into and reinforcing GOP spin.
Could that be why we had so few posts here about Kerry's forceful withdrawal statement cited here or yet another great Gore speech this past week? Maybe it doesn't fit our narrative, and we forget the narrative isn't wholly or originally ours.
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April 7, 2006 2:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Congressional Dems are doing much better under Reid & Pelosi with respect to parliamentary tactics. The party as a whole still has a "vision thing" problem and still seems a step slow when it comes to political theater and message framing. So, while we need to acknowledge Reid & Pelosi's efforts, Dems still need a full fledged consultant purge.
April 7, 2006 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I didn't respond to Kerry's statement about withdrawing from Iraq, because I considered it to be purely political, an attempt to cash in on the shift in public opinion. Back when such a proposal would have been a display of courageous leadership Kerry was proposing that we stay in Iraq, but get other countries to join us there. I consider one of the requirements to be a leader is to lead, not to follow.
If Kerry had added an apology for having joined with Bush to get us into this mess and then proposed a definite withdrawal date I would be applauding him. This will be true for any of the Democrats in Congress who joined with Bush on this ill conceived adventure. I knew it was a bad decision at that time, and I have no where near the staff keeping me up to date that Congressmen have, so I see no excuse for their mistake.
Hoppy in Sacramento
April 7, 2006 3:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
bluebell
Could you tell us what we stand for? I don't have a clue.
April 7, 2006 3:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't think Reid is a very savvy leader, and he's too conservative on many issues for me. I would imagine a lot of other members of the Democratic base feel the same way I do.
Tom
April 7, 2006 3:53 PM | Reply | Permalink
From the door hanger to be used on the 29th:
1. Honest Leadership and Open Government
We will end the Republican culture of corruption and restore a government as good as the people it serves.
2. Real Security
We will protect Americans at home and lead the world by telling the truth to our troops, our citizens and our allies.
3. Energy Independence
We will create a cleaner and stronger America by reducing our dependence on foreign oil.
4. Economic Prosperity and Educational Excellence
We will create jobs that will stay in America by restoring opportunity and driving innovation.
5. A Healthcare System the Works for Everyone
We will join 36 other industrialized nations by making sure everyone has access to affordable health care.
6. Retirement Security
We will ensure that a retirement with dignity is the right and expectation of every single American.
Hoppy in Sacramento
April 7, 2006 4:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
The minority party is usually going to be timid to a degree. Being turned out of power is a chastisement and, so, it’s risky to pitch original initiatives. I don’t think the main problem is the spokespeople, an ambiguous message or a lack of ideas. Reid may or may not be a great communicator, and while I disagree with Pelosi on some issues, she is a skilled speaker.
I'm not that politically astute but I think the obstacles are just what Sullivan contends. Republican control of Congress and muting by the media (who ignore Democratic proposals or frame them in partisan terms) castrate the democratic message. The Democrat’s message should generally be one of opposition only (Republican idea = bad idea). They should only offer alternatives when the media will project them openly and the country will receive them objectively.
The “vast right wing conspiracy” that was laughed off by the media had to do with the way Republicans had learned to penetrate the MSM and legitimize their propaganda. They’re working on a whole new level now that the media has been deregulated (from public interest), corporatized and chastened by decades of berating as being liberal. Republicans now have “legitimate” outlets to press and disseminate their memes.
I think the Dems have started to feel their way out of the doghouse, in the last year. They played the Murtha gambit beautifully. If Dem leaders had jumped up a year or two ago, chanting OUT OF IRAQ, NOW- the party would be in the toilet now and Bush would have been strengthened. I’m feeling more and more optimistic as the press is more and more forced to report things as they are.
April 7, 2006 4:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
bluebell
Hoppy, I admire your ability to keep the faith.
#1 - Americans aren't going to believe Democrats are more honest than Republicans (though they may be willing to throw the current bunch of bums out).
#2 - Truth? Tell me if we're getting hawks or doves. That may well decide whether I bother to get out of bed on election day.
#3 - A Republican could run on that.
#4 - Another point that any Republican could make.
#5 - If I believed they meant it, which I don't, that alone would get me hanging flyers on doors.
#6 - I'd feel better if they simply told me I am going to get my Social Security check. Why be cute?
With the exception of a nod to healthcare, they might as well be Republicans.
April 7, 2006 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
There's also a big antiwar demonstration in New York City on April 29th. I assume there's one on the West Coast also.
Tom
April 7, 2006 5:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
i'm not going to disagree with you, but if the Democratic Party adopted my positions on all issues we would be lucky to get 33% of the vote. This is a step back towards a progressive agenda, not much more. But, it does talk about real issues and not just "be afraid, be very afraid".
Hoppy in Sacramento
April 7, 2006 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Here, here! And while we're at it, let's not nominate the second American Dynasty in Hillary Clinton.
It really is most effective for a lot of reasons to nominate a governor. For one, he sets the agenda, but doesn't have to suffer the consequences of legislative action, which in truth is where all the problems usually start. Secondly, as you mention, they are the communicators for the party by nature whereas legislators tend to be the wonks.
Third and perhaps most importantly, every bill in any legislature is inevitably tied to a bunch of amendments that have nothing to do with it. That means that there are all these myriad of different ways that a legislator can be attacked politically for voting against something, even when the attack is way off base.
Watching from just above the water line. . . .
http://www.dragonflyeye.net
April 7, 2006 6:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think it bears mentioning that parliamentary tactics are all that legislators really have at the end of the day. If they're doing better with that, then they're doing better period. I frankly am not terribly interested in political theater actors, I'd be much happier with bookish legislators that get thier jobs done, and I think that this is a thing sorely lacking in today's political climate.
Reid's not the most charismatic character ever, that's for sure. In fact, whenever he tries to get folksie, I always get the impression he's trying to sell me a Pepperidge Farms milano cookie. Still, he's a good legislator overall.
By the way, has anyone had a chance to check out the Hamilton Project?
Granted, there is nothing in there about the war, but there are some outstanding recommendations for education and investment that are worth a look. This is the beginning of a new Democratic plan, and while it may not address the Iraq War, it is a positive step that is getting entirely too little press right now.
Watching from just above the water line. . . .
http://www.dragonflyeye.net
April 7, 2006 7:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
This list is so disengenious, it is a wish list, intended to confuse, with no real solutions. Vagueness, as to how to achieve the goal. What a surprise it will be, when we as a people, realize they (the Democrats ) will still represent what the capitalists want, and not the working class.
Ask the Democrats WHO is the middle class, what is their annual income? Who, is going to pay the bill, for these new goals? No guessing? Hard facts please.
It's just like Debs stated in the early 1900's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
The Republican and Democratic parties are alike capitalist parties—differing only in being committed to different sets of capitalist interests—they have the same principles under varying colors, are equally corrupt and are one in their subservience to capital and their hostility to labor.
The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles.
Notice how the Democrats sided on the immigration bill, they did nothing to help the American worker. No bill out of the Senate and the capitalist and business interest won. You think the Democrats could have attached minimum wage increases to any bill raising this to the level of discussion.
I still favor the left side of issues, because I percieve they represent workers more than the business side, but am ashamed at this group of Democrats.
I was for them, before I was against them
April 7, 2006 7:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, if they are going door to door, then they are standing for something, not just sitting down.
Personally, I would do something differemt. If they are going door to door, why not ask the people they are talking to what THEY care about?
I realize this isn't aa ego inflating as, say, making vast decisions on the future of nations, but it as least haas the virtue of telling people that the Democratic party is representing them, not the other way around.
Even better idea. Why not take all those questions we collect and answer them, online or via print request?
Has anyone worked out the ROI of one television ad versus a single, personal letter? I mean, there are lots of unemployed, million of Katrina refugees alone, we could outsource this to.
Why are we playing our oppositions game, on their battefield? They have money to waste on big, expensive television ad's that serve as a backdrp to going to the fridge. We have people, people who care, who spend time, not money, on other people. That is supposed to be our strength, why not use it?
ONWARD AND UPWARD!
April 7, 2006 11:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Sadly you have the better of the debate with Amy Sullivan. The odd shoe of Democratic leadership aside, taken as a whole, the inescapable conclusion is that what passes for Democratic Party strategy is waiting for Bush to implode.
Now that may not be a bad bet, but it is a very very bad strategy, if you could call it that.
An instinct for the capillaries
April 8, 2006 3:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Many Moderate Liberals such as myself do not see the Democratic Party as representing us. We know the Republicans are not worried about working or middle-class people but see few signs that the Democrats do either.
The Illegal Immigration Issue may split Republicans but it also splits a great many Liberals too.
Democrats seem to be all for law and order unless it applies to millions of people who have broken the laws of this country and entered illegally. Legal Immigration? Fine! Illegal Immigration? Illegal!
April 8, 2006 4:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Hoppy, there's a thirty second rule on door hangers, mailings and the like - thirty seconds of reading before it hits the trash or sidewalk
Sorry to say, that one has eye contact potential of about ten seconds tops.
Haven't you heard what the number 1 issue is for Americans?
Instinct for the capillaries
April 8, 2006 4:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Hoppy, all the best on the 29th. I have walked too many precincts to ever disparge the efforts of anyone who does it.
For the next walk, here's some material that may be useful
Thank You Harry Taylor - The Video
April 8, 2006 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Instinct for the capillaries - the good news?
Oh yeah, for Republicans. My bad. Thank God there won't be any competitive races in the Bay Area. I couldn't walk across the street for the Democrats this year.
April 8, 2006 4:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Actually I think Redi is under-rated. It is not clear that he was not a conscious enabler for the Harriet Miers fiasco for Bush. Sure, Mr President, Harriet would be a great nominee, yeah, that's the ticket....
Also look at what he has to work with. Had to throw the Senate into closed session to get Rockefeller (that complete waste of space) to get off his lazy inept behind and insist on an investigation into use of prewar intelligence. Even so, trust Rockefeller to keep on dropping the ball.
At least Rockefeller isn't a preening showboat like that other idiot, Biden.
And then there's Clinton, who appears to have locked the Democratic caucus into a disastrous pro-war stance in a ham-fisted attempt to build her national security cred for 2008. Kerry's latest speech as much as anything is probably his shot across her bows.....
April 8, 2006 5:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll make a list:
1. Reid - way too conservative to be a good Democratic leader, in my view. Sometimes does good stuff like the closed session move, but not very often. Doesn't back up Feingold, who I think is great.
2. Rockefeller - pretty ineffectual.
3. Biden - you forgot to mention that he's a gasbag.
4. Hillary - a disastrous Iraq stance dampens the bases enthusiasm for her.
Tom
April 8, 2006 8:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
For good or for ill American political parties aren't like European ones. They are not structured around ideologically issues. American political parties are broad based with diverse opinions within them. Even the Republicans are held together more by faith in Ronald Reagan and taxcuts than a truly consistent philosophy. It can be hoped that that Republicans on issues like immigration, and education will see a split between their various factions.
Democrats certainly would do well to improve their image as a party that will stand for something and fight for it. However, without candidates what party has a coherent known philosophy? As November approaches 435 candidates for the House and about 33 candidates for the Senate will put forth their Democratic philosophy.
As the presidential race begins the Democratic Philosophy will differ if Feingold or Bayh, or Clinton or Biden or Edwards is the candidtate. Once the Demcorats have a nominee there will be a clear philosophy, even if it is not liked too much by Republicans for people here.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
April 8, 2006 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Corvid
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I'd have to agree the list is awfully weak, though I do give these Dems a little credit for trying to nudge attention away from terrorism.
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Also, the tenor of the discussion about how Dems sell themselves to voters disturbs me. Shouldn't the discussion be about what we want to actually do? And that discusssion, unlike this list, needs to be specific.
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The subject of immigration that you bring up here is a good example. As you note, the Dems offer nothing to American workers to counteract the effects of legalizing millions of immigrants. Why is that so hard? I oppose amnesty or whatever they prefer to call it this time round. But even if you support legalization, can't you agree that we should also get something concrete in return, like a $13-an-hour minimum wage or, better yet, making union organizing as easy as voting in a poll on the internet (Lou Dobbs does one every night)?
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These are simple, concrete things--unlike the cloudy points in the program laid out above, where Republicans could pretty much sign on to 5 of the 6 points (oh, excuse, make that 6 of the 6 points; I forgot Mitt Romney's punitive "universal health insurance" bill in Massachusetts).
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In the end, the Dems seem inclined to construct a message around fairy dust in preference to constructing a program and then putting out a message. And Debs had it pretty well pegged.
April 8, 2006 8:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Democrats continue to look disorganized and split because they are unable to articulate the basic principles around which liberals could agree and unite. Instead Democrats squabble over policy positions, which emphasizes disagreements and identifies candidates in terms of their disputes. The party is atomized, organization scattered to the four winds.
If Democrats want to begin to appear to be organized (and they should want that), they need to select a few ripe progressive ideals, and refer to those ideals with one voice, even as they may disagree on how to achieve them through policy. What if Democrats agreed that fair elections was a crucial party principle, war is bad foreign policy, laws and the Constitution are sacrosanct, just a few clear defining ideals that distinguish Dems from the rePuds. All dialogue about policy, even disagreement, reinforces the ideals and projects the Democratic identity.
Take the immigration reform meltdown. Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy failed to connect, in fact there was little coherence between various Democratic policy proposals. Whatever their personal disagreements, if Reid and Kennedy and every Democrat who stands up to a lectern could make a point of reinforcing a common principle the whole party stands for every time they spoke about their efforts, people would come to know what Democrats stand for and also begin to feel a sense of cohesion and power within the party.
Imagine Democrats saying with one voice: "I believe American workers must be protected from wage erosion and I believe illegal immigrants must be treated fairly and humanely." These are two defensible principles that progressives everywhere could largely support. Policy disputes would occur, but the larger ideals would always be highlighted in any debate over how to achieve them. Political support for the ideals could be built even as individuals disagreed.
The key is to select a principle and rally around it. Principles are unassailable, they cannot be argued with, and once the public identifies Democrats with a set of principles, we will know what we are voting for when we vote Democrat. At this point I don’t know what Democrats stand for, and consequently, I have no reason to support them. Give me a reason, dammit.
Think for a moment about Ronald Reagan's utterly stupid and destructive "ideal" that government is incompetent. This foolish notion has informed public opinion and conservative policy for 20 years. Every conservative politician has made this one idea the touchstone of his political career. The public still feeds off that ideal even as politicians use it to destroy government and diminish public welfare, in favor of our noble corporations like Enron and Halliburton and Exxon.
How long before Democrats realize that Reagan's lies were designed to castrate the liberal agenda? How long before Democrats stand up and counter Reagan and his evil spawn with ideals that debunk the foolish myths of the neo-confidence men. How long before Democrats get clear that their mission is to protect the public welfare, and they shout it without apology to their corporate masters, they in fact shed their supply-side shackles and reinvent an economic vision that directs corporate power to embrace its responsibility to the public good.
Democrats need a noble vision, a set of ideals around which to organize and generate public enthusiasm. Republicans have done appallingly well appealing to American selfishness, I think the time is ripe for Democrats to appeal to America's generosity. Selfishness is about to carry our nation over the brink.
April 8, 2006 9:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Liberal and progressive, at least as used often here at the Cafe is not one and the same thing. That is one of the problems for Democrats.
Clinton was able to take a middle ground between Reagan and progressives. Government cannot solve all problems but it can be a tool and catalyst for dealing with the Nation's problems.
The view that government is to be feared was not invented by Reagan but goes back to before the founding of this country. Democrats have to come to terms with fact that the statists were the Tories who fled to Canada. This country is filled with people who left behind or their ancestors did, governments that failed and oppressed them.
The parts of the Federal government that work really well are the IRS, Social Security and Medicare. Perhaps they should be a model for Democratic policy proposals.
Daniel A. Greenbaum
April 8, 2006 10:04 AM | Reply | Permalink
As I said, I have no problem with Harry Reid in the Big Tent. His leadership has been somewhat better tactically than Tom Daschle, though he doesn't have Gephardt undermining him like Daschle had.
Max Baucus. "Running scared since the day he got to the Senate."
Mary Landrieu. Even the sight of her constituents dying on the streets can't light a fire under her, she has to be embarrassed by a reporter into speaking for the people who elected her. Someone explain to her that that frightened pandering to the WH doesn't win her any votes with conservative voters.
Lieberman. It's all been said already. If he wins his Senate seat in 06, he will be the GOP VP nominee in 08, mark my words.
I'm undecided on Feingold. He is definitely something of a showboat, though much more effective than Biden. I think he could have played the censure motion better tactically, the way he did it pretty well ensured that no other Dem senators would back him up. Call them frightened and egotistical if you want, he still could have played it better.
April 8, 2006 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course door hangers are a very, very marginal campaigning technique. Actually talking to people at the door is only a little better - most people resent being talked to about politics by a stranger at their door, and will give you about 30 seconds before shutting the door. But, that is not the point at this time.
The point is that the DCC is attempting to get more grassroots involvement with this year's congressional election, other than just asking for money, and the method they have chosen will give the volunteers doing this a summary of what our congressional candidates stand for. The communication that is important here is not the one between us and the voters, but between the DCC and us. And, it is always good to involve grassroots volunteers with doing something positive as opposed to just bitching. This is a start, not a final campaign element.
The list of 6 points is not a liberals wet dream, but such a list would doom the party if it were. It definitely is a different list than any honest Republican would come up with.
Hoppy in Sacramento
April 8, 2006 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Now THAT's more like it. Instinct for the jugular
April 8, 2006 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Agree, Corvid. Very weak and just thing kind of thing which encourages the right to say that the left has nothing to propose. Let's stop trying to hedge our bets and come out with specifics.
No more government secrecy. No more demanding private information from the citizen private while withholding public, government information.
Security is having friends, coalitions, and a first-rate international police force and court. Security is not making enemies.
A sane energy policy has as its goals a strong industry producing viable long-term energy sources, complete independence from fossil fuels.
A sound economy depends on America meeting those needs now, with American workers, at home, not waiting to import them.
A good healthcare system is one which is open to all, a single-payer system whose costs are kept down by competition and citizen oversight.
Above all, government's first concern should be individual citizens and their families, not religious, cultural, industrial, or financial groups. Leave those choices to each individual -- not to states and federal agencies.
April 8, 2006 11:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is the idea here to let the voters know what the Dems positions are, or to get the voters to vote for Dems?
The last election was won by data mining the polls. This one can only be won by text mining responses.
Use those volunteers to find out what the voters want (Just ask "what do you want out of your next congressperson?) and then thrash out the top 30 or so issues on a website. If you do it "American Idol" sytle, the DNC could make enough money on side bets to pay for lots of ads.
I think the voter would be delighted to get a chance to actually be involved in an election for once.
April 8, 2006 12:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Principles" of governance are all well and good but they're not going to resonate with most American voters. Republicans ran on tax cuts (they didn't mention for the rich, however). Democrats should run on tax cuts for the middle class and the poor. People get that. The Republican message is simple, easily repeated by air-head news anchors. Our message has to be equally simple, repeatable in two second sound bites. Take a lesson from Madison Ave. (And somebody has to gag Hillary.)
April 8, 2006 12:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's just say that I'm somewhat skeptical of any political analysis in which an example from C-SPAN plays a prominent role.
Swing voters follow politics LESS THAN THE NORM among voters... and even above-avergae voters tend to be unable to tell you what channel C-SPAN is on their television.
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April 8, 2006 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Real Democrats - Real Instinct for the Jugular
April 8, 2006 6:28 PM | Reply | Permalink