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Frist, Romney, and Allen. These are top three nominees for 08 in straw poll out of SRLC meeting. It is unlikely that their nominee will be from outside this group. Only Sen. Frist would be relatively easy to run against. The other two  pose big challenges for any D. What should the DNC do now about them?  


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If history is a predictor, the DNC will try to draw as many "Republican lite" comparisons as possible, shooting themselves in the other foot.

 

That said- 

Frist has sooo many openings to shoot at, even Cheney couldn't miss.  Just conjure up the image of a commercial for "Dr. Frist's video diagnosis".....

 

Allen would show himself to be a gibbering fool as soon as a debate started and he was off a talking point.

 

Romney would be the challenge- what kind of openings are in his armor?       

 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada

Why do you think McCain would NOT be chosen, instead of someone in the top three?

Here's what we do:

1.  We need Democratic Governors to speak up as much as Democratic Members of Congress.  The face of the Democratic establishment in Washington is way too similar to the Republican face--old, entrenched and in bed with special interest.  In contrast, we've got a good number of Democratic Governors and gubernatorial candidates who represent the near future of the party.  Speaking from a Mid-Atlantic standpoint, I'd rather have Tim Kaine and Martin O'Malley carrying the water than Steny Hoyer, Jim Moran and Robert Byrd.

Furthermore, Democratic Governors are right now building a track record of fiscal responsibility that contrasts well with the Bush administration.  Why aren't we hammering on this?

2. Gag Howard Dean.  The guy seems to unintentionally offend some demographic (see: "White Christians" or "pickup-truck drivers") or make himself more of an issue than the issue itself every time he opens his mouth.  Dr. Dean, stick to fundraising and leave the messaging to someone with more tact.  Frankly, he'd do well to appoint a "DNC spokesperson" who in effect speaks on his behalf on the Sunday shows, etc.  And please make that person a Midwesterner--not from New England.

3.  The way to get at Mitt Romney is through the Massachusetts legislature.  Put a few controversial bills on his desk and see what he does.  Stem cells, Plan B availability, Canadian drugs (where's he's wishy-washy), etc.  If he accepts those proposals, he's doomed in the primaries.  If he vetoes them or otherwise significantly undermines them, we've got general election fodder.

4.  Do exactly what Tim Russert tried to do to Allen this morning--brand him a "Bush" Republican.  This would be tough to do againse McCain, even with his recent defending of the President, simply because of the previous bad blood between them (not to mention the torture debate).  Allen, frankly, seems the most likely nominee to me as of right now.  Of course, a Republican loss in '06 could swing things toward McCain and the others seen as moderates.

5.  Why is no one talking about Pataki? Here's a guy who has the best of both worlds--He's got some of the 9/11 feel-goods that Giuliani has, but vetoed the morning-after pill and only supports civil unions, not gay marriage.  He pulled 2.7% of the SRLC straw vote without even addressing the group.  It may be time to at least put him on the radar screen.

 Speaking from a Mid-Atlantic standpoint, I'd rather have Tim Kaine and Martin O'Malley carrying the water than Steny Hoyer, Jim Moran and Robert Byrd.

 

I think the eyebrow got his first taste of "bi-partisan" (more like bi-polar) Virginia politics last week when his team was voted on by the legislature, and rejected.

 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada

bluebell

 

What do you mean he "vetoed the morning after pill"?

 

I just think that George Allen and Mitt Romney are both much too angry to get elected president. They are both angry all the time. Crazy wild-eyed angry men. I don't think either one can connect with average voters. They are just effete elites. Especially Mitt Romney, the Massachusetts Republican. Angry and Effete.

"effete elites"?  o c'mon. now you sound like a Kansas republican Fred Phelps with that tack.

Mitt Romney is plenty "virile" -- he has a beautiful and loyal wife and several good lookinig kids.

What he DOESN'T have is any credibility. All we need do is put his gubernatorial campaign promises next to his gubernatorial record in Massachusetts. He's an opportunist of the worst kind. Being Gov. in mass was just "punching his ticket" on his way to the Whitehouse.

He's barely even a Massachutten -- one of his biggest battles here in Blue State of Mass. was to PROVE that he wasn't a Utah-an. He was a resident of Utah for years (especially while over-seeing the SLC Olympics trying to clean up THAT mess of corruption) and he's a  Mormon which I think some people will have trouble with despite our proclaimed tolerance for religious diversity in this country. We have trouble electing Jews and Catholics still, and women -- I reckon a Mormon has got some baggage to tote with that. He WILL play the "family values" card heavily and Democrats need to be more prepared to answer that -- defining in Democratic terms just how we value families -- all of 'em not just the straight, white, Christian ones that have healthcare and corporate jobs.

The way to defeat him is to show him for exactly what he REALLY is -- a fundamentalist religio-fascist, warmongering corporate businessman tax reformer -- exactly like the one CURRENTLY in the Whitehouse. Match Bush to Romney and presto-chango, Bush's low poll numbers tar 'em both.

Perhaps we need to offer a viable candidate ourselves too. Not another rich white Christian boy from the NE? Even Bush was born in New England, went to prep school there and college there.  How about a nice white JEWISH boy from the Midwest like Russ Feingold who has been consistent in his positions and an experienced leader and strong democratic voice in the Senate for years?

Or better still, a nice white Jewish girl from the Left Coast (alright, she's originally from New York, but how can that be bad in a post 9/11 world?) Sen. Barbara Boxer?

Evangelicals support Israel so unequivocally, shouldn't they be supporiting one of God's chosen people for president by now to ensure that the coming rapture comes sooner? <;-}

Romney is another flip-flopper from Massachusetts. Until he decided to run for President, he espoused the moderate to liberal positions necessary to win in Massachusetts. During the last year or so, however, he's taken a sharp turn to the right on issues like abortion, clearly to start pandering to the Republican base outside Massachusetts. It should be relatively easy to paint him for what he is--an opportunist and hypocrite who says what he needs to say to get elected. Just dig up sound bites of him flip-flopping on abortion and you'll bury him easily.   

Feckless Frist aside, Allen and Romney are both reminiscent of  George W. Bush - less interesting and lesser accomplished sons of famous fathers.  Both are Oedipal complexes deluxe. 

 

Romney's father was born in Chihuahua before the Mexican Revolution, resurrected American Motors, became governor of Michigan, and got himself on the cover of Time Magazine.

 

By comparison, what has Mitt done?  Not much.  He's an opportunist.  He even did his Mormon missionary work in France (a Third World country only for Republicans).  Whatever he has done, like head of the Salt Lake City Olympics was strickly for self-promotion.  How does he get from Utah to Massachusetts?

 

Even worse is the stumbling, bumbling, gibbering fool George Allen.  Where is father was innovative, incisive, hard-nosed and original, the soft-palated young George never met a platitude or football metaphor he didn't like.  His dad was a Pro Football Hall of Fame coach whose football philosophy was admired by Nixon because he never had a losing record in 12 NFL seasons.  But he never won the big one.  The son is a political hack; he won't win the big one either.

Romney is governor (in name at least, if not execution) of my state. During his time in the governor's arena, he has told tall tales about not being interested in the governor's office, tall tales about not running againnst a sitting Republican governor (I know Jane Swift was only 'acting governor'),  tall tales about the state of his primary residency in order to get a real estate tax rebate of 10s of thousands of dollars on his Utah home during the Olympic period, made up a resume clouding story about his position on abortion rights, and on and on it  goes. Forget about his Morman faith, and his Mount Rushmore looks, his problem is that he'll say anything to advance his ambitions, and has shown himself to be ready, willing, and able to employ national Republican tactics of snide remarks and lies, using his subordinates to attack his political opponents, then retracting with the standard mantra of "I was misunderstood, I was misquoted, he was not authorized to speak for me', but not until the desired damage was done. In short, don't trust him, don't fall for his milk and cookies Morman reputation, don't vote for him.

Purplestate understands. Look at the next massachusets flip-flopper. An effete elite who can't make up his mind. Look at him tack with the wind. Is he a mormon? Is he from Utah? Is he pro choice? Who can say? Are the republicans going to be foolish enough to nominate a massachussets flip-flopper? I think that would be a mistake on their part.

As for George Allen, angry angry angry. And he left Virginia's budget a mess. Another spendthrift republican. I feel so bad for the republicans. They are just leaderless and adrift. 

UNROVE -  Please, save your comments and send them to the powers-that-be when the time comes!  You really hit the big points, and I love the comparison to Bush ala - the son basking in the glory and influence of the father (MISSIONARY WORK IN FRANCE?????   Kinda like the George's National Guard "service" -- before his AWOL stint, at least) and never being personally successful.

 

One piece of advice though, don't watch Hardball, because Tweety loves both of them and fawns over George Allen as though he could get him SuperBowl tickets until the second coming.  Chris even described Allen once as "Presidential,"  silly enough, but no sillier than saying Bush "exhudes greatness."

 

 

Jan Knaus

Not true, Al.  Everyone was approved except one person, Danny something, who was a union leader at one time, and so was defeated.  Everyone else proposed by Kaine (all 112 of them) was approved.

 

Jan Knaus

A quote from Huffpo: 

 "One afternoon, while standing at the edge of the dorm grounds [at the University of Virginia], [George Allen] pulled out his shotgun and, as friends watched with rapt fascination, shot a squirrel dead. He cleaned it, ate the meat and hung its skin on a wall" (Michael Leahy, The Washington Post, October 3, 2000).

 

Yep, I can just imagine Bush's knickname for Georgie Allen:  "Big Game Man."  Wow, he must be very brave -- just like Dubya!   It's just too bad that these people who are too afraid to fight themselves, get to shoot their rocks off by offing other people's children in their bogus war games.  George Allen is a Bush clone!

 

Jan Knaus

CVilleDem-

 

Wasn't that unprecedented?  Wasn't it also for Secretary of the Commonwealth, something like the top post?  And if Mr. Something was a union leader, so what?  If a spirit of bi-partisanship exists, why defeat the one?  Dem's have given Bush a pass on his "team", and when even R's had misgivings about Bolton, he didn't say, "Oh, well"- he snaked him in on a recess.

 

So even if the Commonwealth Dogcatcher Appointee would be a problem for R's, so what?.  As Kaine kept indicating in the SOTU response- wouldn't  bi-partisanship dictate that the eyebrow be given his team during the "honeymoon"?

 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada

 

And to paraphrase Tweety-

"The only people that don't like the guy [Bush] are the whack-jobs"
 

 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada

Bush, Allen and Romney - aren't they the spittin' image of the The Three Amigos in Play Group?  They have to repeat their fathers' stories because they have none of their own - at least none that they can authentically call their own. 

 

What kind of war stories does Mitt Romney recount about his hellish days and those awful people he had to endure as a missionary in France?  Did George Allen think about putting his career as a mediocre quarterback (with no pro prospects) on hold and going to his generation's war in Vietnam like Pat Tillman?    

 

Because conservative pundits make them into false heroes and paper tigers, they are all legends in their own minds.  By the way, I heard Chris Matthews mumble under his breath during the '04 election season, after the camera had switched to his guest, that, "People would be surprised.  I'm more conservative than they might think."  Not hardly, Chris.

On Romney (the only one of the three who's a threat, in my view), three words: Foreign policy virgin.

Of course for this to work, Dems would need to nominate someone with foreign policy cred. But they'd need to do that anyway.

 Also: Romney spent the Vietnam War in France.

Please not Allen.  I left Virginia because of Allen.  I'd hate to have to leave the US.  Allen and the dufuss that followed him (Gilmore) tried in 8 years to destroy an effective government built for 80 years beginning with the senior member of the Byrd machine, who at least understood that government must perform its functions.

 

When Allen first entered the Governor's office, he was so uninformed that he did not realize that the budget was his chief policy tool.  He left it to the bureaucrats during the crucial first year of his administration.

 

In a stupid race, it is a close call between Allen and Bush. 

 

If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica

 Vaguely in the back of my memory I recall a time when the stupid Republicans nominated a truly dumb idiot, a guy who had failed at everything he ever tried, who had a history of drug and alcohol abuse, who cheated his way out of the Viet Nam war, but who couldn't even manage to stay clean enough to complete his National Guard tour of "duty".  That was one ideal candidate to run against, one we could beat while playing golf every day.  So, let's hope the stupid Republicans don't do us a favor like that again.

 

Duh....we don't win anything by running against anyone.  We win only if we present to the voters someone they see as a good candidate, with a good set of ideas, and with so much integrity that rotten fruit bounce off without leaving a mess.  Then we advise that candidate to campaign as who he is, not some creation of a committee that is afraid of its own shadow.  So, frankly, my dear I don't give a damn who the Republicans nominate.

 

 

Hoppy in Sacramento

The missionary thing, including service in France, is a standard practice for young Morman men. At around 21 years of age, they basically put their lives on hold for a year or so, and serve as missionaries, trying to sign up more souls for the faith. Have you ever seen those well scrubbed white boys making the rounds, door to door, in many cities?  Also, did you know that those commercials offering a free bible, have an 800 number that connects with Morman central, and the message you leave becomes a tip for a missionary to contact you by delivering the bible. It is one of the fastest growing religions in the world, and is growing through the use of corporate style marketing tactics.

I lived in France for a year, but I didn't exactly consider that "my life was on hold" for that time.  I wonder how many Mormons get that sinecure?

Jan Knaus

In other words, he is the prototype GOP candidate, modeled after the current WH occupant.

 

Sounds like the  GOP has a winner here.

 

BTW is he by any chance related to the former Michigan Governor Romney?

On Romney (the only one of the three who's a threat, in my view), three words: Foreign policy virgin

 

OMG, the similiarity to Bush is just too eerie, and what did Bushes' vapidity on Foreign policy spawn...Cheney in control!!  Who will be Romney's henchman in the bkgrd..Pat Robertson?

The most effective way to handle Allen would be to elect Jim Webb to the Senate.

his son.

I agree!! 

WEBB for SENATE

 Yep, I can just imagine Bush's knickname for Georgie Allen:  "Big Game Man."

 

How about "Game Boy"....;<)
 

 

Alphonse ( Al ) Kada

Game boy -- you're right!  Sounds more like Dubya, too.

Jan Knaus

Yeah, if I had to bet I would bet on McCain.  He is kissing up to the right wingers with his support of ID and South Dakota abortion ban. He polls ahead of most of those other guys.  I would guess that Frist has no shot, that Allen is too much of a weenie.  I would pick McCain then Romney.  Romney's Mormon religion may do him in. I think Giuliani and Pataki have no shot  because they are pro-choice and pro-gay rights.

 

 

Mormonism was a liability for George Romney's bid for the nomination in the 60's as it was for Udall against Carter in the 70's. While the Mormons have cleaned up the the more flagrant racist tenents of their doctrine since then (bastard offspring of some unholy union of Milton's Paradise Lost and 19th c. American culture of slavery: Black skin was the mark of Cain given to fence sitters in the great war in heaven between supporters of Satan and supporters of Jesus; Native Americans receive their skin color from Lamanites who failed to recognize Christ in his visitation on Meso America in the Book of Mormon) it will be Mitt Romney's undoing in 08.  The religion just won't stand up to the scrutiny of the American dinner table: Only Mormons get to go to heaven; couples who get married in the Mormon Temple & lead exemplary lives get sent off in the afterlife to colonize populate and become Gods of their own universes--a kind of Amway of the afterlife--etc. etc.

on McCain

from

 Hardball Transcript for Friday March 10, "live from Memphis, Tennessee.  HARDBALL kicks off the 2008 race for the White House.  John McCain, George Allen, Bill Frist, Mitt Romney, who has what it takes to trump Hillary Clinton?  At the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, let the political times roll."

....John McCain is the big ticket tonight, Chris.  He speaks later this evening.  I bet all 1,800 delegates are going to be there listening to John McCain.  But John McCain did earlier is one of the fun events of this weekend that the media is paying a lot of attention to, is the straw poll. 

 

The idea that everybody who hears these candidates are going to get to make a selection tomorrow afternoon as to what their preference is.  And what John McCain has done is in his speech tonight he‘s going to say there are bigger things to worry about than a straw poll.  If you are thinking of voting for me, please don‘t.  Just write-in President Bush‘s name. 

 

What this is is this also perceived as a shot against Bill Frist, because 40 percent of the delegates here in Memphis are from Tennessee and Frist was widely expected to walk away with the straw poll.  So now you have John McCain is saying, no, no, no, don‘t vote for me, don‘t vote for Frist, vote for President Bush, and that perhaps has angered the Frist camp. ....

Ah, once again the Democrats will lose in 2008.  It is absolutely amazing to me that the left simply does not understand how this game works!  Rather than spending time focusing on a viable candidate with an independent, seperate plan of attack, the Dems are once again merely focusing on how to promulgate a smear campaign against whomever their opponent happens to be (which we will not even know for over a year).  Americans do not need to be told, or even reminded, that the management of the war has been poor.  After being embarassed in the 2004 election, one would think that the Dems would learn from their mistakes.  But if this post by Reed is any indicator of the left's plan of attack, you can expect another GOP controlled White House.

. The religion just won't stand up to the scrutiny of the American dinner table:

 

Most religions wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.  I have always maintained that LDS is no weirder than any other religion, at least Western monotheistic ones.  Joseph Smith found gold tablets underground, Moses found stone tablets on a mountain, etc.

People don't scrutinize religions.  They generally believe their own and reject others.  Romney's problem lies in a general distaste for Mormonism among many people, not a specific problem with its doctrine.

Take my Roman Catholic mother, who I can't imagine voting for a Democrat.  Yet she really dislikes Mormons, thinks they are a cult.  Many Catholics and Evangelicals feel the same way, and are also threatened by the growth of the LDS Church.  I'm not sure what she would do if Romney got the nomination, and that kind of uncertainty among reliable Republican voters would doom his candidacy.

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Democrats guilty of smearing their opponents?  You really are living in Bizarro World, you idiot.

Of course, you probably think the Swift Boat and pink Band-aids are fair criticisms of an opponents' politics.

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