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Sedition! Sedition! (sung to the tune of Tevye's "Tradition! Tradition!")

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If you're a nurse at the VA, have you given up your right to free speech? Do you no longer have the right to criticize your government in a public forum? Apparently the answer is yes.

Check out this article in Editor & Publisher, and then sing along with me: Any opposition to this administration is: Sedition! Sedition!


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I don't know what to say. I never thought I'd see this happen to America. And I certainly never thought America would go down without a fight.

Decatur Dem says:

I work at the Atlanta VAMC, and regularly write LTEs to the Atlanta paper and the NY Times. I sign my name, and anyone can easily make the connection between me and the letters.

What I don't feel it necessary to do is to identify myself as a VA employee. I don't want any VA administrators to be confronted by right-wing zealots demanding my head on a platter. I'm not representing the VA, so what is the relevance of where I work? 

Surely, if any federal employee who's not a political employee wants to speak his or her mind, by all means s/he should do so. But if you name your place of employment, I'd suggest a moment's consideration whether it's pertinent to the subject.

Decatur Dem,

It was relevant here because she was talking about what she has seen at the hospital. I agree that it's generally a bad idea to list your place of employment in a letter-to-the-editor, but it made sense here. Furthermore, isn't it obviously overboard for her to be attacked as engaging in sedition?

 

Good discussion of this episode (especially if you like a legal POV) at The Volokh Conspiracy

Decatur Dem said:

Overboard? Absolutely preposterous!  Whatever moron thinks that fits the definition of "sedition" should have his/her voting rights  revoked. Furthermore, if it was relevant to the subject under discussion, by all means she should have included it.

I'm a little mixed on this. One key point is that members of various licensed professions, including nursing, public accounting, law, medicine, etc., may have a positive duty to speak out on what they feel are ethical violations. I don't see this particular speech fitting into this context.

Sedition is an absurd claim, but I'd want to get a legal opinion if criticism of an elected official by a civil servant, without identifying government employment, could run afoul of the Hatch Act. I don't think it does, but if there's anyone out there more familiar with Hatch Act precedent, that might be very relevant

If you read beyond the first paragraph, you might find this [my emphahsis]...

"Berg signed the letter as a private citizen, and the V.A. had no reason to suspect she used government resources to write it, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of New Mexico, which last week asked the government to apologize to Berg for seizing her computer and investigating her."

dc

This is really disturbing. I think all of this spying (NSA thing) and this incident have the broader effect of quelling speech in general but specifically criticizm of this administration. One of my best friends is an attorney practicing refugee law and working on her doctorate at Oxford in England. The other night we were on the phone and I tried to discuss a current event topic of the day, the Muslim Cartoon fiasco. She told me we should stop discussing it immediately because she did not want to "get in trouble". Wow, that blew me away. It made me want to scream and cry all at the same time. She is a law abinding citizen and a person of great intellect who should not be afraid to enter a private conversation about current events without fear of U.S. government reprisal.

We must put an end to spying on law abiding U.S. citizens. This is the beginning of the end of our freedoms. So many have died for these freedoms, it is our responsibility to make sure they have not died in vain.

MsAnnaNOLA

New Orleans, Louisiana

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And you can't even come here to post without having Al From our Big Brother threatening from the right side of your screen to purge the left. 

 

Out of curiosity, I did some reading on the Hatch Act.  There's more than I ever wanted to know available through the U.S. Office of Special Counsel (http://www.osc.gov/ha_fed.htm#agencies) --complete with PowerPoint! 

 

As I suspected, the Hatch Act refers primarily to elections and partisan political activity.  There are different levels of restrictions for different groups of federal employees, but ALL of them are allowed to express opinions about candidates and issues IF they are not on duty at the time and do not use goverment property while doing so.  (Actually, there are some who can do so on duty, in uniform, and on government property, but that is a fairly select group.)

 

A lawyer might be able to give a better reading of this, but my reaction is that the lady, while advocating a "throw the bums out" course of action, wasn't actually doing so from a partisan perspective and was, in any case, free to do so--as long as she didn't do it while on duty or using government property.  That matters very little, however, when the effect of her having been accused of sedition for speaking out is reckoned for her and others.  It's just one more step toward silencing any voice of opposition.

I had resisted commenting on this topic because the idea is so entirely absurd that it sounds like something Stephen Colbert or Kent Jones would come up with.

 

 As I usually do with my students, I'll start with  www.dictionary.com :

 

sedition 1) conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of the state.  2) insurrection; rebellion.

 

I didn't read the original letter, of course, but given the summary included the link listed by EJ, I can only come to one conclusion.  I'm sorry, but the guy who came up with this idea should not be running human resources at a lemonade stand, much less a VA hospital.

 

I have to agree with Memekiler.  How did we get to this point?  The Federalists tried out this idea through the Alien and Sedition Acts in 1798--that's over 200 years ago for the mathematically challenged among us--and it went over so poorly it was one of the major factors that made the "party of Washington" first a minority party, and then a dead one!

 

There have always been wingnuts that believe that  the Bill of Rights and even our entire concept of democratic republicanism are bad ideas, but we don't usually let them make public policy.

 

 While we still have the ability to vote this gang out (unless, of course, Diebold has already rigged the next two elections) we really do need to do that.

 

 Bushco delenda est.

Thanks. First, I should clarify I mentioned the Hatch Act because it was the only thing that came to mind that potentially had relevance. Offhand, I don't even think we've had a sedition statute since they were struck down, IIRC, slightly after the First World War.

I haven't worked with Hatch Act case law in more decades that I want to remember. Nevertheless, it doesn't take away political speech. In the case of something not affiliated with a partisan organization or campaign, such as this, "Throw the Republican bum(s) out" would be on the edge. "Throw the bums out", even substituing "president" or "administration" for "bums," is probably in.

Had she been a member of one of the uniformed services, there would be much more UCMJ law that applied, in the area of public criticism of the chain of comand. Unless she is in the technically uniformed Public Health Service, that would be irrelevant here. Unless it's in some context of field operations, there's much less UCMJ emphasis for the small scientific staffs of the PHS and NOAA Commissioned Corps, and even the Coast Guard is a little more relaxed than the Army, Navy and Air Force. With the latter, it still seems that the line is speaking in public in uniform, or identifying oneself by organization. Military blogs with disclaimers, and legitimate care about operational security, are not especially harassed.

While I'd agree the Administration is doing a fair bit to chill speech, I also suspect that this case involved overzealous local people. Setting a good example is not a constitutional duty of elected officials, and I'm not really sure it should be outside the context of one's job.

While I'd agree the Administration is doing a fair bit to chill speech, I also suspect that this case involved overzealous local people. Setting a good example is not a constitutional duty of elected officials, and I'm not really sure it should be outside the context of one's job.

 

Agreed.  This is most likely overzealousness at the local level.  However, the opposite kind of thing also happens at the local level when federal employees do not understand their rights under the Hatch Act and censor themselves a priori.  I often run into federal employees who think they cannot participate in advocacy because of the Hatch Act.  Lotsa misinformation and misunderstandings out there.

 

And, darn it, H, now you've piqued my curiosity about the Alien and Sedition Act (or whatever it is) and the question of whether VA employees are part of the uniformed PHS (I don't think so).  More googling for me.  Hmmph.  ;)

Maybe I can save some Googling. At NIH and at VA hospitals, I've known people who were PHS officers, and others that were not. The people that come to mind were nurses and clinical pharmacologists, and there were both Civil Service and PHS people in those jobs.

Depending on the job and the person, sometimes a PHS officer liked to wear uniforms. In other cases, they just wore scrubs like everyone else.

There are places where you'd find everyone in a group being a PHS officer, such as the Epidemiological Intelligence Service under the Centers for Disease Control. In other situations, the PHS is just one more source of people for a position -- while PHS officers tend to be trained epidemiologists, they may well rotate into other medical positions for cross-training.

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