Just think of the hay the Republicans would make if John Kerry, say, had a similar mishap on one of his hunting trips. But the Democrats don't have the attack machinery to take advantage of this gift.
"Hair-Trigger Dick" came to my mind . . .
And to think - if Fitzgerald had only indicted Cheney, he might be one of those future-felons that would be prevented from carrying weapons.
The Wyoming Republican, picked this week to be George W. Bush's vice presidential running mate, defended his conservative record in interviews on three network morning television programs Thursday.
On ABC's Good Morning America, he was asked why, in 1988, he was one of only four members of Congress to vote against banning plastic guns and also voted against a ban on armor-piercing ''cop-killer'' bullets.
''I was a great believer and am a great believer today in the Second Amendment, the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms, and that the solution to our gun problems really lies in enforcing existing regulations and laws that prohibit felons, for example, from owning guns, rather than imposing new requirements on law-abiding citizens,'' Cheney said.
I've always wondered if the VP had ever shot anyone before - being a hawkish draft-avoider and all. Do you think anyone will have the cojones to ask him at his mea culpa press address?
what needs to be asked here: Does the Vice President field dress and eat his kill? Or is he merely a shooter in search of a trophy? Cause dang if he didn't come close to getting a new head for the den....
Actually, the phrase that sprang to my mind was "coronary patient with inadequate blood flow to the brain."
But, did Cheney kill the quail dead? OK, so Crony season doesn't begin until March in Texas, did he bag the quail?
He has lots of experience shooting birds in canned hunts, see link from 2004 SFGate.com article:
......Dick himself blasted the living crap out of 70 birds, all by himself. That's right, 70. Plus an unknown number of mallard ducks. Then they had them all plucked and vacuum packed and sent back home to show off to the staff. Dick was driven back to the airport in a Humvee. Are we not all impressed?.........
Every report I have seen today states "accidental" in front of this story.
How do they know?
For all you non-hunting liberals (like Kerry) out there, one of the cardinal rules of safe hunting is never to shoot when you aren't aware of your surroundings and the location of your fellow hunters. The reports I've read so far indicate that this old man was behind the VP and another hunter, walked up behind them and didn't announce his presence.
The VP, with a bead on a quail, spun around as it flew over him and fired without seeing this elderly lawyer.
Now as everybody knows, a quail is one of those really big, meaty animals that are prized by self-sufficient pioneers like Cheney as a good way to put meat on the table for his family.
Err, check that, a quail is a small bird about the size of a sewer eagle that holds little, if any, meat for even one person after beign blown apart by a twelve gauge. Even less tasty than "free-range" if it was on a farm that was specifically raising soybeans and other crops that attract quail. If it was, say, one of those farms that was being paid a subsidy to turn under it's soybeans rather than putting them on the market as a way of price support to corporate family farms. What a great income stream- government checks in the springtime and "seasoned" hunters in the winter.
But what we know is someone got shot. At a place where all concerned would echo the NRA guidlines on safe hunting in any photo op sound bite.
What should be asked is what would be asked if this were "Joseph F. Sixpack" on reporting a hunting accident:
Was this really an "accident"?
Who was this man and what was his relationship to the shooter?
Did alcohol have anything to do with this "accident"
Then let us judge for ourselves.
Al Kada
Looks like the Administration's domestic policy matches its foreign policy.
This screams out "Darwin Awards!"
The White House waited 24 hours before telling the public of the shooting.
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney. I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney.
All around in my home town They're trying to track me down. They say they want to bring me in guilty For the killing of a attorney, For the life of a attorney. But I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I swear it was in self-defense. I shot the lawyer, and they say it is a capital offense.
Lawyer H. Wittington always hated me; For what I don't know. Every time that I plant a seed He said, "Kill it before it grows." He said, "Kill it before it grows." I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I swear it was in self-defense. I shot the lawyer, but I swear it was in self-defense.
Freedom came my way one day And I started out of town. All of a sudden I see lawyer H. Wittington Aiming to shoot me down. So I shot, I shot him down. I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney. I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney.
Reflexes got the better of me And what is to be must be. Every day the bucket goes to the well, But one day the bottom will drop out, Yes, one day the bottom will drop out. But I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney, oh no. I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney, oh no.
If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica
RECKLESS!
Wasn't it Democrats who couldn't be trusted with security?
Howard Dean today on TV compared Cheney to Aaron Burr. Perhaps Dean had already heard about this shooting and had that in mind for his comparison, as well as the treasonous activities of both. And, as I recall my history, Aaron Burr wasn't a terribly good shot either.
Hoppy in Sacramento
It seems as if the mantra of this administration is "Shoot first. Dodge questions later."
Just Think! What if he had shot JACK ABRAMOFF!!! Now that would be a story!!!!
I also find myself thinking that maybe those duck-hunting trips with Scalia aren't so problematic after all.
I'm afraid your historical recollection is faulty.
Take a look at the guy on the ten-dollar bill. Looks pretty young and handsome, doesn't he?
Guess why?
True, we don't have Fox et al., but we do share other secret weapons with the PiranhaBrothers: "...sarcasm....dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and...satire."
Dick Cheney: Solving the Medicare crisis, one senior citizen at a time.
Dick Cheney: Hands-on tort reform, one lawyer at a time.
Maybe we oughta be glad he dodged Vietnam. The last thing a soldier wants when he's crossing a rice paddy is to have "Hair-Trigger Dick" Cheney behind him with an automatic weapon.
Hell, it scares me just to see him impersonating Truman Capote playing cowboy in a boat.
Say....this is in Ronnie Earle's district, isn't it?
Maybe Whittington looks like Libby?
-Dave Adams-
Their new motto:
We shoot our voters first over here cuz we're tired of getiing shot first over there.
This thread is hysterical. I think Dems finally have a shot at national security.
are there any legal penalties in Texas for shooting a guy? Even accidentally? Ironic how early reports (that are 24 hours old before they leak) all state that Whittington was at fault for approaching the Vice President from the rear. Is this to state the VP is allowed a 360 degree firing zone?
But there is only one real question in my mind. What type of firearms would have been brought down on a shooter who accidentally shot the Vice President, in the same situation?
Cheney clearly is a jerk, but maybe we can use him in one of those unarmored humvees that Rummy has available in Iraq...
Chickenhawk 5-deferment-Cheney gets his first kill.
"For all you non-hunting liberals (like Kerry) out there,..."
I liked most of your post, but why did you need to put this bit in?
One of the more annoying things about the grief Kerry took over the hunting outing during the 2004 campaign is that UNLIKE Cheney, he is a real hunter. While going hunting at that time was definitely a campaign stunt, it is well-established that hunting - duck, quail, deer, other game - is a real part of Kerry's life going a long way back.
Wouldn't it be safer for the Vice President to head down to the local animal shelter, pick out the strays who need to be put to sleep, and stomp on their heads? After all, it's hard to see how that would be any less sporting than shooting 417 of 500 crate-raised pheasants who have never been outside of a cage.
This way, nobody gets shot and nobody has to spend thousands of dollars raising birds. All he'll need are some solid work boots.
In Virginia, lawyer season is limited to the first two weeks of October. Must be longer in Texas.
If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica
As is now being disussed shooter rules place responsibility on the shooter. Wheeling 180 and shooting is never going to satisfy the clear-downrange rule. Even more stupid was shooting low. If you're bird hunting and shoot upwards you can't hurt anyone. Even with no choke on the spread pattern how does Cheney hit someone who isn't levitating?
Good thing Cheney was never in the Army, for the sake of his fellow soldiers.
"Doesn't the phrase, 'The gang that couldn't shoot straight,' come to mind?" I'd tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you.
"Did alcohol have anything to do with this 'accident'?" A good question that the Secret Service undoubtedly helped keep secret.
I guess if you are the VP, you don't have to run over your lawyer, you can just point a gun and shoot. By next week, expect a lot of great lawyer jokes.
If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica
Ir's worse than that. The White House left it to the "ranch" owner to talk about it. And from what I've seen on the web, the story was broken by a local police reporter in Corpus Christi.
Some immature fun:
The lyrics are a few years old, but this song, performed to the tune of Aerosmith's "Janie's Got a Gun", is playing today on a number of good-ol-boy radio stations.
My favorite right-wing cultural barometer is my office mate, Chris, who's kind of a good ol boy himself. He tells me that the reaction among his sources today to the Cheney hunting "accident" is overwhelmingly one of ridicule -- any chance Cheney has of ascending to the throne in 2008, given his heart conditions, his general reputation as a hairtrigger and a buffoon, etc., seem to be evaporating. Remember, you heard it here first ;)
Cheney's Got A Gun
Cheney's got a gun, Cheney's got a gun The whole world's on the run Great news for Halliburton What did poor Iraq do? What is it going thru? They say He turned the biddings over, and Halliburton's going insane! The other oil-filled nations, see that Cheney's got a gun and they ain't never gonna be the same!
Cheney's got a gun, Cheney's got a gun Libya's nose has run Bin Laden's having too much fun! Americans feels so renewed It's safe to travel and buy shoes! The price others have to pay-pay So George is elected again! Iran has got it comin' while Libya's balls are hanging and Gaddafi hides his head in shame!
Run Away, 'Cos His daughter's so GAY yeah yeah yeah yeah Run away run away from the pain yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Run away, run away, run, run awaaaaay
Cheney's Got a Gun, Cheney's Got a Gun Your dog day's just begun Screw all your possessions What did Bushes daddy do? Damned us all to get screwed! He jacked Iraq up with them weapons, Saddam was his Bestest Friend! Now his son pretends that's hogwash, Saddam is such a threat and We're all in for a lotta pain!
Cheney's Got a Gun Cheney's Got a Gun Cheney's Got a Gun Everybody's on the Run
Unfortunately for Kerry, his hunting clothes looked absolutely fresh off the rack. Why didn't he borrow some from a local resident that made it look like Kerry really had used them? Not a very wise move. . . .
jimbonita
Time for a change - Vote Democratic!
There's always this trusty old favorite from Tom Lehrer.
The Hunting Song
I always will remember, 'Twas a year ago November, I went out to hunt some deer On a morning bright and clear. I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow: Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.
I was in no mood to trifle, I took down my trusty rifle And went out to stalk my prey. What a haul I made that day! I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow: Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.
The law was very firm, it Took away my permit, The worst punishment I ever endured. It turned out there was a reason, Cows were out of season, And one of the hunters wasn't insured.
People ask me how I do it, And I say "There's nothin' to it, You just stand there lookin' cute, And when something moves, you shoot!" And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now: Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.
Was the quail named Dan?
Tom
Well, Burr did kill Alexander Hamilton.
Tom
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Well, that explains your misuse of the ratings. If a jab at a staged event that backfired offends you, so be it.
The opening line was meant tongue-in-cheek to all that have never hunted, would never have been exposed to safe hunting procedures and would never translate "gun control" into "hitting your target".
The main thrust of the post still stands- why is the VP allowed deference when his actions as a private citizen (outside of the political function of his office) result in severe injury or potentially death?
Why was the news of this irresponsible action censored for so long?
What if this was just Cheney's way of sending a message to the people this lawyer may have been representing?
Hunting accidents do happen, but only when all involved are not paying attention to the rules of conduct regarding loaded weapons.
(sorry I am unable to get paragraph breaks, it seems)What got me, on the local news last night, was when they reported the official WH press release as saying "We are happy that he is doing so well in recovery." There was nothing to the effect of "The Vice President is sincerely sorry..." or even the tried and true "The Vice President regrets...(that he damn near blew out an innocent man's brains)" But then again, that would have required some element of graciousness. I definitely got the impression from the news last night, where they quoted a hospital spokesperson as saying that because of the man's age, hospitalization in Intensive Care was required. Call me crazy, but I would have thought it unsurprising that a human being with gunshot wounds to the head, neck and torso would be hospitalized. So I took that as a sign that there had been an issue either with whether the guy would be in ICU and possibly whether he'd be hospitalized at all. Leno and Letterman should have a field day with this one.Gives new meaning to the saying "Shoot first, ask questions later." But look at it from Cheney's point of view. If he'd have been just a split second too late he might not have shot down (what he thought was) that quail. The way the whole thing has so far been handled is entirely consistent with the entire MO of this Administration--the secretiveness, the defensiveness, the contempt for the public's sensibilities, etc.
Didn't they make a joke out of him hunting, without incident mind you, during the presidential campaign?
I hear there is a new commercial out to follow up on the one about the two squirrels that cause the automobile accident. This new one features two quails.
I've come to believe that many Republicans' profession to be ' a great believer in the Second Amendment' has less to do with the Constititional question, and more to do with the political calculus of the thing, and also with the misguided impression that equates gun controls with the confiscation of existing guns. In other words, they are afraid of government coming to take their guns, a notion used successfully by Bush against Gore in 2000, especially in West Virginia.
I disagree with your statement:
This screams out "Darwin Awards"
It would, perhaps be a somewhat better Darwin Award if
a) Cheney had been the one shot rather than the shooter, and
b) The wound had been fatal
c) And lastly, if it had occurred when Dick had one of his many deferments from a REAL shooting war, (he only likes to shoot at little birdies who can't shoot back, after all) and therefore before he had any children
Darwin awards are tongue-in-cheek prizes given posthumously to those who were so stupid that they died before they could pass on their genes.
Jan Knaus
Let's face it. They were hoping they could spin it and no one would ever know. Now that we do all know, they couldn't care less. Do you hear any apologies? Any indication that in retrospect, it would be better to get this out right away?
No. What we hear is spin: It was the victim's fault; he should have spoken up. Or....Cheney was so busy taking care of the victim he never made a call to the press. Wouldn't it be nice if the VP had some people working for him to take care of these details? OOPS! Didn't he hire anyone to replace Scooter, who is indicted for lying about what he did under the directions of Cheney? Well, good help is hard to find.
It boggles the mind that they were so clueless about reality that they thought they could sit on this. What were they thinking? If we could understand that we would get some real insight into the machinations of this crime syndicate we call an administration.
Jan Knaus
Take a look at the guy on the ten-dollar bill. Looks pretty young and handsome, doesn't he?
...and your point is....
Jan Knaus
Sorry, but the "liberal non-hunters" statement was unnecessary to the larger point of your post and perpetuates a stereotype that liberals in general just don't understand ordinary people that like hunting and guns and such. If you took out the term liberal it wouldn't change the larger part of your post at all. Like most stereotypes, it has some slight validity, hunters are more likely to be Republican and conservative than non-hunters, but not nearly to the extent implied by the crack.
If that was as far as you went, I probably wouldn't have replied or rated your post. A person can't respond to every slur and it is always possible that you just meant to suggest that anyone reading your comment here is probably liberal. Adding the "(like Kerry)" made the implications rather more pointed and is specifically, factually, incorrect since Kerry is, as I noted, a hunter.
As for rating your post, I gave it a rating of 3. This is not exactly calling you a troll. It is entirely justified both by the inclusion of the factually incorrect jab mentioned above and by the fact that implying that the Cheney meant to shoot his hunting partner is not supported by either the reporting we have heard on the story so far or by your arguements.
Cheney was almost certainly negligent in his actions. He may even have been drunk, though we have no supporting evidence of this so far. He probably should have notified the local authorities at the time of the incident and certainly shouldn't have left it to his host to report the incident to the press a day later or let her imply that the victim of the shooting was at fault.
However, speculating that Cheney deliberately shot the man to send some kind of message is both unjustified at this time and unnecessary for making the point that the VP's behaviour was inappropriate.
On the other hand, Mr. Whittington is a long-term political associate of the George W Bush who served in a couple of different state agencies that were connected to some questionable events when George was the Governor of Texas. If it should come out in the next few days that he was getting ready to spill the beans on the President or even that someone official was planning to ask him questions, then go ahead and start speculating.
The best place to look for Dan would be the next RNC Convention. God, think of those beautiful targets.
Speaking of a Quayle named Dan, what ever became of him?
Right now he should be buying a bullet proof vest. He has been off the radar hasn't he?
...and your point is....
...that, thanks to Aaron Burr's marksmanship, he never got the chance to grow old.
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
"hunters are more likely to be Republican and conservative than non-hunters, but not nearly to the extent implied by the crack."
"Adding the "(like Kerry)" made the implications rather more pointed and is specifically, factually, incorrect since Kerry is, as I noted, a hunter."
You'rs making an awful lot of assumptions without anything but bias to back them up.
Tanj, when you strap on the helmet of the "politically correct police", you make several presumptions:
I must be a wingnut troll, or
I'm just someone who's not bright enough to understand your notion of what's correct and appropriate, and you need to school a proper response so I can be a good little liberal.
You see, if you really are a liberal (as I am), you would be decrying the notion that what either fiver-deferment Dick OR Kerry did could be classified as "hunting". Shooting pen-raised quail is not hunting. It's just animal cruelty. Neither Cheney's "drive-by" of a covey of quail, nor Kerry's photo op constitute anything close to "sportsman-like conduct". So you keep on defending those things for whatever reason you wish.
By the way, if the news system unrakes the muck on Chaney's latest victim, we wont have to speculate, or are you standing up for Cheney's honor now also?
Or is it just the Al Kada that offends?
The deadeye Dick Ale and Quail Club-
There is certainly a lot of comic takes on the "accidental shooting". And I was needing a good laugh. But it is also a serious, this guy took a powerful blast from a very powerful gun, I would think his injuries are a little more serious than are being reported.
There are a lot of questions: Has this happened before? Has he ever shot even say a hunting dog? Or is this a first time freak accident?
And Pam Witteford, the Ambassador, she also is a public official, where was she when the shooting happened? how did she respond? How much of an experienced hunter was she? How come she wasn't in Switzerland on the people's business?
Just curious.
OK, I've got another one:
<joke disclaimer>
Its seems that Sen. Patrick Leahy wasn't very surprised by the news that VP Cheney had shot a hunting companion:
"What's the big deal?" Leahy asked. "He's always shooting off his own mouth..."
-Dave Adams-
No it is not in Ronnie Earl's district, unfortunately. I'm a senior citizen Texas native, I'm getting worried, watching over my shoulder alot. I have also been hunting since I was about 10, 1) if I get caught hunting without the appropriate stamps on MY license it costs me $125 bucks and the Game Warden does not care if it is "in the mail" or not, 2) Birdshot pellets fired from 30 yards are very unlikey to penetrate the chest wall , I was shot from about 40 feet with the same shot from a 12 gage shotgun and walked out of the woods and went home where my wife picked the shot out of my evidently very tough hide, 3) This thing smells really bad, what are they covering up now. Check out the Trammel- Crow ranch near Gilmer, Texas and the associated Federal funds spent on various federal grants in that area, another popular Cheney private hunting reserve. Steve Y.
Okay, at the risk of insulting the sensibilities of some, I spent half my life on a farm doing everything associated with farm life. Grew up hunting pheasants, quail, dove, etc. We did a little on-farm butchering now and then, as well. The shot gun became my choice for dispatching critters. It just increased the odds of a quick death . . . Even a 28 gauge shotgun as Cheney was supposedly using is plenty deadly. Number 7 1/2 bird shot is small but the force behind the shot is tremendous. At five yards, it will crush the bones in a bovine skull . . . If this shooting victim was thirty yards away, he can count himself lucky. There’s no question that a bird will be killed at that distance and farther. I’m not sure about penetration through clothing but I’d imagine that it is significant. (I’m wondering about the poor guy’s lungs.) . . . Damn careless, is the way I see it. Steve in (the other) Washington
And there are ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right
now. Two game wardens. Seven hunters . And a pure bred
guernsey cow. Tom Lehrer.
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Just think of the hay the Republicans would make if John Kerry, say, had a similar mishap on one of his hunting trips. But the Democrats don't have the attack machinery to take advantage of this gift.
February 12, 2006 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Hair-Trigger Dick" came to my mind . . .
February 12, 2006 4:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
And to think - if Fitzgerald had only indicted Cheney, he might be one of those future-felons that would be prevented from carrying weapons.
USA Today, 07/27/00.
February 12, 2006 4:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
One more - great headline from "Capitol Hill Blue": Guns Don't Shoot People, Vice Presidents Shoot People."
I've always wondered if the VP had ever shot anyone before - being a hawkish draft-avoider and all. Do you think anyone will have the cojones to ask him at his mea culpa press address?
February 12, 2006 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
what needs to be asked here: Does the Vice President field dress and eat his kill? Or is he merely a shooter in search of a trophy? Cause dang if he didn't come close to getting a new head for the den....
February 12, 2006 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Actually, the phrase that sprang to my mind was "coronary patient with inadequate blood flow to the brain."
February 12, 2006 4:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
But, did Cheney kill the quail dead? OK, so Crony season doesn't begin until March in Texas, did he bag the quail?
He has lots of experience shooting birds in canned hunts, see link from 2004 SFGate.com article:
......Dick himself blasted the living crap out of 70 birds, all by himself. That's right, 70. Plus an unknown number of mallard ducks. Then they had them all plucked and vacuum packed and sent back home to show off to the staff. Dick was driven back to the airport in a Humvee. Are we not all impressed?.........
link
February 12, 2006 5:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Every report I have seen today states "accidental" in front of this story.
How do they know?
For all you non-hunting liberals (like Kerry) out there, one of the cardinal rules of safe hunting is never to shoot when you aren't aware of your surroundings and the location of your fellow hunters. The reports I've read so far indicate that this old man was behind the VP and another hunter, walked up behind them and didn't announce his presence.
The VP, with a bead on a quail, spun around as it flew over him and fired without seeing this elderly lawyer.
Now as everybody knows, a quail is one of those really big, meaty animals that are prized by self-sufficient pioneers like Cheney as a good way to put meat on the table for his family.
Err, check that, a quail is a small bird about the size of a sewer eagle that holds little, if any, meat for even one person after beign blown apart by a twelve gauge. Even less tasty than "free-range" if it was on a farm that was specifically raising soybeans and other crops that attract quail. If it was, say, one of those farms that was being paid a subsidy to turn under it's soybeans rather than putting them on the market as a way of price support to corporate family farms. What a great income stream- government checks in the springtime and "seasoned" hunters in the winter.
But what we know is someone got shot. At a place where all concerned would echo the NRA guidlines on safe hunting in any photo op sound bite.
What should be asked is what would be asked if this were "Joseph F. Sixpack" on reporting a hunting accident:
Was this really an "accident"?
Who was this man and what was his relationship to the shooter?
Did alcohol have anything to do with this "accident"
Then let us judge for ourselves.
Al Kada
February 12, 2006 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Looks like the Administration's domestic policy matches its foreign policy.
February 12, 2006 5:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
This screams out "Darwin Awards!"
February 12, 2006 5:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
The White House waited 24 hours before telling the public of the shooting.
February 12, 2006 5:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney.
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney.
All around in my home town
They're trying to track me down.
They say they want to bring me in guilty
For the killing of a attorney,
For the life of a attorney.
But I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I swear it was in self-defense.
I shot the lawyer, and they say it is a capital offense.
Lawyer H. Wittington always hated me;
For what I don't know.
Every time that I plant a seed
He said, "Kill it before it grows."
He said, "Kill it before it grows."
I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I swear it was in self-defense.
I shot the lawyer, but I swear it was in self-defense.
Freedom came my way one day
And I started out of town.
All of a sudden I see lawyer H. Wittington
Aiming to shoot me down.
So I shot, I shot him down.
I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney.
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney.
Reflexes got the better of me
And what is to be must be.
Every day the bucket goes to the well,
But one day the bottom will drop out,
Yes, one day the bottom will drop out.
But I say:
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney, oh no.
I shot the lawyer, but I did not shoot the attorney, oh no.
If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica
February 12, 2006 7:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
RECKLESS!
February 12, 2006 7:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Wasn't it Democrats who couldn't be trusted with security?
February 12, 2006 8:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Howard Dean today on TV compared Cheney to Aaron Burr. Perhaps Dean had already heard about this shooting and had that in mind for his comparison, as well as the treasonous activities of both. And, as I recall my history, Aaron Burr wasn't a terribly good shot either.
Hoppy in Sacramento
February 12, 2006 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
It seems as if the mantra of this administration is "Shoot first. Dodge questions later."
February 12, 2006 9:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just Think! What if he had shot JACK ABRAMOFF!!! Now that would be a story!!!!
February 12, 2006 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
I also find myself thinking that maybe those duck-hunting trips with Scalia aren't so problematic after all.
February 12, 2006 9:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm afraid your historical recollection is faulty.
Take a look at the guy on the ten-dollar bill. Looks pretty young and handsome, doesn't he?
Guess why?
February 12, 2006 10:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
True, we don't have Fox et al., but we do share other secret weapons with the Piranha Brothers: "...sarcasm....dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and...satire."
Dick Cheney: Solving the Medicare crisis, one senior citizen at a time.
Dick Cheney: Hands-on tort reform, one lawyer at a time.Maybe we oughta be glad he dodged Vietnam. The last thing a soldier wants when he's crossing a rice paddy is to have "Hair-Trigger Dick" Cheney behind him with an automatic weapon.
Hell, it scares me just to see him impersonating Truman Capote playing cowboy in a boat.
Say....this is in Ronnie Earle's district, isn't it?
February 12, 2006 11:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe Whittington looks like Libby?
-Dave Adams-
February 12, 2006 11:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Their new motto:
We shoot our voters first over here cuz we're tired of getiing shot first over there.
This thread is hysterical. I think Dems finally have a shot at national security.
February 13, 2006 2:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
are there any legal penalties in Texas for shooting a guy? Even accidentally? Ironic how early reports (that are 24 hours old before they leak) all state that Whittington was at fault for approaching the Vice President from the rear. Is this to state the VP is allowed a 360 degree firing zone?
But there is only one real question in my mind. What type of firearms would have been brought down on a shooter who accidentally shot the Vice President, in the same situation?
Cheney clearly is a jerk, but maybe we can use him in one of those unarmored humvees that Rummy has available in Iraq...
February 13, 2006 4:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Chickenhawk 5-deferment-Cheney gets his first kill.
Now he's been in the shit.
Private Joker'd be proud.
Dissent Protects Democracy
February 13, 2006 5:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Is someone from the Bush admin in England? Visitor trips over shoelace at British museum, shatters Chinese vases.
February 13, 2006 5:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
The bag limit on lawyers in Texas is 5, but you can take 10 if you get a "Varmit Stamp".
February 13, 2006 6:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Three rich croakers hunting from cars with an ambulance standing by -- priceless. From now on Cheney will be known as Deadeye. Fits him to a T.
February 13, 2006 7:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
J. McCutchen "JmacSF"
San Francisco. CA
Hunting Accidents - Juan Cole
February 13, 2006 8:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Al Kada said,
"For all you non-hunting liberals (like Kerry) out there,..."
I liked most of your post, but why did you need to put this bit in?
One of the more annoying things about the grief Kerry took over the hunting outing during the 2004 campaign is that UNLIKE Cheney, he is a real hunter. While going hunting at that time was definitely a campaign stunt, it is well-established that hunting - duck, quail, deer, other game - is a real part of Kerry's life going a long way back.
February 13, 2006 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wouldn't it be safer for the Vice President to head down to the local animal shelter, pick out the strays who need to be put to sleep, and stomp on their heads? After all, it's hard to see how that would be any less sporting than shooting 417 of 500 crate-raised pheasants who have never been outside of a cage.
This way, nobody gets shot and nobody has to spend thousands of dollars raising birds. All he'll need are some solid work boots.
February 13, 2006 8:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
In Virginia, lawyer season is limited to the first two weeks of October. Must be longer in Texas.
If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica
February 13, 2006 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
As is now being disussed shooter rules place responsibility on the shooter. Wheeling 180 and shooting is never going to satisfy the clear-downrange rule. Even more stupid was shooting low. If you're bird hunting and shoot upwards you can't hurt anyone. Even with no choke on the spread pattern how does Cheney hit someone who isn't levitating?
Good thing Cheney was never in the Army, for the sake of his fellow soldiers.
February 13, 2006 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Doesn't the phrase, 'The gang that couldn't shoot straight,' come to mind?" I'd tell you, but then I'd have to shoot you.
http://www.haberarts.com/
February 13, 2006 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Did alcohol have anything to do with this 'accident'?" A good question that the Secret Service undoubtedly helped keep secret.
I guess if you are the VP, you don't have to run over your lawyer, you can just point a gun and shoot. By next week, expect a lot of great lawyer jokes.
If its good for me it must be Good 4 A Merica
February 13, 2006 9:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ir's worse than that. The White House left it to the "ranch" owner to talk about it. And from what I've seen on the web, the story was broken by a local police reporter in Corpus Christi.
February 13, 2006 10:06 AM | Reply | Permalink
Some immature fun:
The lyrics are a few years old, but this song, performed to the tune of Aerosmith's "Janie's Got a Gun", is playing today on a number of good-ol-boy radio stations.
My favorite right-wing cultural barometer is my office mate, Chris, who's kind of a good ol boy himself. He tells me that the reaction among his sources today to the Cheney hunting "accident" is overwhelmingly one of ridicule -- any chance Cheney has of ascending to the throne in 2008, given his heart conditions, his general reputation as a hairtrigger and a buffoon, etc., seem to be evaporating. Remember, you heard it here first ;)
Cheney's Got A Gun
Cheney's got a gun, Cheney's got a gun
The whole world's on the run
Great news for Halliburton
What did poor Iraq do?
What is it going thru?
They say He turned the biddings over, and Halliburton's going insane!
The other oil-filled nations, see that Cheney's got a gun and
they ain't never gonna be the same!
Cheney's got a gun, Cheney's got a gun
Libya's nose has run
Bin Laden's having too much fun!
Americans feels so renewed
It's safe to travel and buy shoes!
The price others have to pay-pay
So George is elected again!
Iran has got it comin' while Libya's balls are hanging and
Gaddafi hides his head in shame!
Run Away, 'Cos His daughter's so GAY yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away run away from the pain yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
Run away, run away, run, run awaaaaay
Cheney's Got a Gun, Cheney's Got a Gun
Your dog day's just begun
Screw all your possessions
What did Bushes daddy do?
Damned us all to get screwed!
He jacked Iraq up with them weapons, Saddam was his Bestest Friend!
Now his son pretends that's hogwash, Saddam is such a threat and
We're all in for a lotta pain!
Cheney's Got a Gun
Cheney's Got a Gun
Cheney's Got a Gun
Everybody's on the Run
February 13, 2006 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Unfortunately for Kerry, his hunting clothes looked absolutely fresh off the rack. Why didn't he borrow some from a local resident that made it look like Kerry really had used them? Not a very wise move. . . .
jimbonita
Time for a change - Vote Democratic!
February 13, 2006 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
There's always this trusty old favorite from Tom Lehrer.
The Hunting Song
February 13, 2006 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Was the quail named Dan?
Tom
February 13, 2006 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, Burr did kill Alexander Hamilton.
Tom
February 13, 2006 12:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
Well, that explains your misuse of the ratings. If a jab at a staged event that backfired offends you, so be it.
The opening line was meant tongue-in-cheek to all that have never hunted, would never have been exposed to safe hunting procedures and would never translate "gun control" into "hitting your target".
The main thrust of the post still stands- why is the VP allowed deference when his actions as a private citizen (outside of the political function of his office) result in severe injury or potentially death?
Why was the news of this irresponsible action censored for so long?
What if this was just Cheney's way of sending a message to the people this lawyer may have been representing?
Hunting accidents do happen, but only when all involved are not paying attention to the rules of conduct regarding loaded weapons.
February 13, 2006 1:23 PM | Reply | Permalink
February 13, 2006 1:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Didn't they make a joke out of him hunting, without incident mind you, during the presidential campaign?
February 13, 2006 2:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
I hear there is a new commercial out to follow up on the one about the two squirrels that cause the automobile accident. This new one features two quails.
February 13, 2006 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I've come to believe that many Republicans' profession to be ' a great believer in the Second Amendment' has less to do with the Constititional question, and more to do with the political calculus of the thing, and also with the misguided impression that equates gun controls with the confiscation of existing guns. In other words, they are afraid of government coming to take their guns, a notion used successfully by Bush against Gore in 2000, especially in West Virginia.
February 13, 2006 2:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
I disagree with your statement:
This screams out "Darwin Awards"
It would, perhaps be a somewhat better Darwin Award if
a) Cheney had been the one shot rather than the shooter, and
b) The wound had been fatal
c) And lastly, if it had occurred when Dick had one of his many deferments from a REAL shooting war, (he only likes to shoot at little birdies who can't shoot back, after all) and therefore before he had any children
Darwin awards are tongue-in-cheek prizes given posthumously to those who were so stupid that they died before they could pass on their genes.
Jan Knaus
February 13, 2006 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
Let's face it. They were hoping they could spin it and no one would ever know. Now that we do all know, they couldn't care less. Do you hear any apologies? Any indication that in retrospect, it would be better to get this out right away?
No. What we hear is spin: It was the victim's fault; he should have spoken up. Or....Cheney was so busy taking care of the victim he never made a call to the press. Wouldn't it be nice if the VP had some people working for him to take care of these details? OOPS! Didn't he hire anyone to replace Scooter, who is indicted for lying about what he did under the directions of Cheney? Well, good help is hard to find.
It boggles the mind that they were so clueless about reality that they thought they could sit on this. What were they thinking? If we could understand that we would get some real insight into the machinations of this crime syndicate we call an administration.
Jan Knaus
February 13, 2006 4:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
Take a look at the guy on the ten-dollar bill. Looks pretty young and handsome, doesn't he?
...and your point is....
Jan Knaus
February 13, 2006 4:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Sorry, but the "liberal non-hunters" statement was unnecessary to the larger point of your post and perpetuates a stereotype that liberals in general just don't understand ordinary people that like hunting and guns and such. If you took out the term liberal it wouldn't change the larger part of your post at all. Like most stereotypes, it has some slight validity, hunters are more likely to be Republican and conservative than non-hunters, but not nearly to the extent implied by the crack.
If that was as far as you went, I probably wouldn't have replied or rated your post. A person can't respond to every slur and it is always possible that you just meant to suggest that anyone reading your comment here is probably liberal. Adding the "(like Kerry)" made the implications rather more pointed and is specifically, factually, incorrect since Kerry is, as I noted, a hunter.
As for rating your post, I gave it a rating of 3. This is not exactly calling you a troll. It is entirely justified both by the inclusion of the factually incorrect jab mentioned above and by the fact that implying that the Cheney meant to shoot his hunting partner is not supported by either the reporting we have heard on the story so far or by your arguements.
Cheney was almost certainly negligent in his actions. He may even have been drunk, though we have no supporting evidence of this so far. He probably should have notified the local authorities at the time of the incident and certainly shouldn't have left it to his host to report the incident to the press a day later or let her imply that the victim of the shooting was at fault.
However, speculating that Cheney deliberately shot the man to send some kind of message is both unjustified at this time and unnecessary for making the point that the VP's behaviour was inappropriate.
On the other hand, Mr. Whittington is a long-term political associate of the George W Bush who served in a couple of different state agencies that were connected to some questionable events when George was the Governor of Texas. If it should come out in the next few days that he was getting ready to spill the beans on the President or even that someone official was planning to ask him questions, then go ahead and start speculating.
February 13, 2006 5:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best place to look for Dan would be the next RNC Convention. God, think of those beautiful targets.
February 13, 2006 6:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of a Quayle named Dan, what ever became of him?
February 13, 2006 8:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Right now he should be buying a bullet proof vest. He has been off the radar hasn't he?
February 13, 2006 8:39 PM | Reply | Permalink
...and your point is....
...that, thanks to Aaron Burr's marksmanship, he never got the chance to grow old.
February 13, 2006 9:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Alphonse ( Al ) Kada
You'rs making an awful lot of assumptions without anything but bias to back them up.
Tanj, when you strap on the helmet of the "politically correct police", you make several presumptions:
I must be a wingnut troll, or
I'm just someone who's not bright enough to understand your notion of what's correct and appropriate, and you need to school a proper response so I can be a good little liberal.
You see, if you really are a liberal (as I am), you would be decrying the notion that what either fiver-deferment Dick OR Kerry did could be classified as "hunting". Shooting pen-raised quail is not hunting. It's just animal cruelty. Neither Cheney's "drive-by" of a covey of quail, nor Kerry's photo op constitute anything close to "sportsman-like conduct". So you keep on defending those things for whatever reason you wish.
By the way, if the news system unrakes the muck on Chaney's latest victim, we wont have to speculate, or are you standing up for Cheney's honor now also?
Or is it just the Al Kada that offends?
February 13, 2006 9:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
The deadeye Dick Ale and Quail Club-
There is certainly a lot of comic takes on the "accidental shooting". And I was needing a good laugh. But it is also a serious, this guy took a powerful blast from a very powerful gun, I would think his injuries are a little more serious than are being reported.
There are a lot of questions: Has this happened before? Has he ever shot even say a hunting dog? Or is this a first time freak accident?
And Pam Witteford, the Ambassador, she also is a public official, where was she when the shooting happened? how did she respond? How much of an experienced hunter was she? How come she wasn't in Switzerland on the people's business?
Just curious.
February 14, 2006 7:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, I've got another one:
<joke disclaimer>
Its seems that Sen. Patrick Leahy wasn't very surprised by the news that VP Cheney had shot a hunting companion:
"What's the big deal?" Leahy asked. "He's always shooting off his own mouth..."
-Dave Adams-
February 14, 2006 12:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
No it is not in Ronnie Earl's district, unfortunately. I'm a senior citizen Texas native, I'm getting worried, watching over my shoulder alot. I have also been hunting since I was about 10, 1) if I get caught hunting without the appropriate stamps on MY license it costs me $125 bucks and the Game Warden does not care if it is "in the mail" or not, 2) Birdshot pellets fired from 30 yards are very unlikey to penetrate the chest wall , I was shot from about 40 feet with the same shot from a 12 gage shotgun and walked out of the woods and went home where my wife picked the shot out of my evidently very tough hide, 3) This thing smells really bad, what are they covering up now. Check out the Trammel- Crow ranch near Gilmer, Texas and the associated Federal funds spent on various federal grants in that area, another popular Cheney private hunting reserve. Steve Y.
February 14, 2006 2:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, at the risk of insulting the sensibilities of some, I spent half my life on a farm doing everything associated with farm life. Grew up hunting pheasants, quail, dove, etc. We did a little on-farm butchering now and then, as well. The shot gun became my choice for dispatching critters. It just increased the odds of a quick death . . . Even a 28 gauge shotgun as Cheney was supposedly using is plenty deadly. Number 7 1/2 bird shot is small but the force behind the shot is tremendous. At five yards, it will crush the bones in a bovine skull . . . If this shooting victim was thirty yards away, he can count himself lucky. There’s no question that a bird will be killed at that distance and farther. I’m not sure about penetration through clothing but I’d imagine that it is significant. (I’m wondering about the poor guy’s lungs.) . . . Damn careless, is the way I see it. Steve in (the other) Washington
February 14, 2006 7:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
And there are ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right
now. Two game wardens. Seven hunters . And a pure bred
guernsey cow. Tom Lehrer.
February 14, 2006 10:59 PM | Reply | Permalink