Welcome to the new TPMCafe!
As you can see, TPMCafe has a new look (thanks to the folks at Advomatic)! Everyone here at TPM Media wants to thank all of you for being regular readers of this site. We know a change-over like this can take of a bit of adjusting to, finding out where a certain button or link has moved to, and so forth. So we want to assure you that we've given a lot of time and thought to these changes and we're confident that the result will be one that is a big improvement for your experience visiting this site and the community we're working to build here. Now, if you’re wondering how to get started, keep reading…
Everyone who is currently a registered user at TPMCafe should have received an email overnight with detailed first-time login instructions. If you didn’t read it, here's what you do...
To login to the site, either:
1)click on http://www.tpmcafe.com/password.
OR
2) click on the "Forget Your Password?" button at the top of the page. You will be asked to enter either your current username or email. The site will then send you an email with instructions about how to select a new password.
**This is a one-time login, so it can be used only once. It expires after one day and nothing will happen if it's not used. If you let the link expire, you can always request a new password again, and a new link will be sent to you. If you do not receive any email, please contact us HERE.**
For further tips about the new site, visit http://www.tpmcafe.com/faq.
If you’re a first-time user, go up to the navigation bar at the top of the page. Click on “New User? Start Here.”
You will be directed to a new page where you will be asked to provide a user name and an email.
A password and instructions will be sent to this e-mail address, so make sure it is accurate. This is a one-time login, so it can be used only once. It expires after one day and nothing will happen if it's not used. If you let the link expire, you can always request a new password again, and a new link will be sent to you.**
Once you’re registered you can participate in all the site’s features and discussion areas.
If you have comments or questions, please drop us a line here: http://www.tpmcafe.com/contact.


I like the new design, and that it's based on Drupal, but you might want to replace the favicon.ico so it's not the drupal droplet icon. That's the only problem I've had with the new site.
February 5, 2006 12:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
thanks for your input!
February 5, 2006 5:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
Looks pretty good, but where's the Daily Muck? And the Book Club?
February 5, 2006 5:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
Where is the link for My Comments, which used to be on the right-hand side? That was quite useful.
It appears that comment ratings have disappeared - true?
Is there going to be some sort of flag indicating that submissions are awaiting moderation? I can't say I will remember to click the tab at the top very often.
Also - comment posts no longer have titles?
sPh
PS Autoformatting appears a bit sub-optimal; it is not respecting line breaks.
February 5, 2006 6:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
OK, now I am seeing rating boxes. Is it necessary to log out and back in with the new password before getting those, or was it just a browser glitch?
sPh
February 5, 2006 7:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
Getting the following error when trying to post a reply on an existing thread:
- Validation error, please try again. If this error persists, please contact the site administrator.
- The body of your comment is empty.
However, the body of my comment is visible in the preview area, so I have to think the error is incorrect ;-( sPhFebruary 5, 2006 8:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
it was a glitch on our end...
February 5, 2006 8:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'll agree that My Comments was useful; I myself tended to ignore comment titles, at least if they diverged from the main post's title. I like the new site for one change in particular: ordering options that "stick." It could be my illusion but I'm imagining more text in the column as well, which I wished for. I'm sure I'll get used to other changes or at least know better over time what to suggest.
I will say that I used to find on the old page that the list of most recent posts (at right) often didn't match the ones in the main home-page column. I often regretted this, since basically I can to catch up, but at least I had a recourse. And indeed now I see the home page has some posts going back a few days. So let me suggest not trying to strive on the home page too much for balance of contributors at the expense of comprehensiveness. I won't want to hunt around for what I'm missing.
Last, I wonder if I'm following the comment interface correctly. It seems to add space between paragraphs without one double spacing, but that did not appear in preview. I used to hate it that many posts had bounteous space between paragraphs, perhaps from composing offline in html, and it'd be nice to be sure we all (or at least myself) follow the formatting ok now.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
February 5, 2006 8:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
Good design, everything works but one;
- Validation error, please try again. If this error persists, please contact the site administrator.
- The body of your comment is empty.
Then it ate my post. I am sure it was going to be English prose as only the Bard or Angels could muster, so now I will have to settle for the English of mere mortals when I rewrite it . Please fix this problem prior to my next flight into linguistic genius, as I hear they become rarer and rarer with age.February 5, 2006 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Okay, I guess I should be above all this, but... where's my karma? I went from being a moderator with trusted user status to zero karma? Now I'm sad...
The site is lovely though. *Sigh*
February 5, 2006 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
I apparently didn't change my email address here when it changed a few months ago, so I didn't get the email alerting us to the change. Worse, I had to change my name in order to use my new email address. But, griping aside, I kinda like the new format, but it's like being in a strangers house and needing to use the bathroom - where the heck are the right hand clickable lists? I mean "my comments", "moderate new submissions", "discuss", etc.
Oh, one more thing - what happens if we add our photo and it scares all the women and children?
Hoppy in Sacramento
February 5, 2006 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Having been involved with more site redesigns than I care to count, I know that there are always loose ends to fix up after the launch date. Here are a couple of issues that struck me:
1. Am I missing something, or is there no longer a link to Josh Marshall's talkingpointsmemo.com? Is "the mother ship" now being disowned? (Likewise, Josh's blog no longer seems to have a link to tpmcafe. Odd.)2. In Firefox, when I zoom the text to the size I prefer for easier reading, all hell breaks out with the text layout. Two or three taps of Ctrl-+, and it's chaos.
February 5, 2006 9:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, on my firefox 1.5 on Mac OS 10.4 the site is unreadable. All the text appears crammed into the right hand side, on top of the advertisements.
Otherwise, it looks great and is a big improvement.
February 5, 2006 9:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
The FAQ really needs to be updated ASAP. It is not clear where one finds anything. I also don't like seeing only the titles of reader postings without the first couple of sentences. A recent one says only "Duh". I realize this is the author's choice, but it's certainly not very revealing.
Have there been no new postings, or does the moderation function not work properly anymore? If one is allowed to moderate (as I was) is there any place to see this without navigating to the moderation panel?
If visitors need to dig to find reader's diaries this will certainly make people less interested in posting.
Did the issue of posting an image get resolved? In the old version there was an icon to insert an image, even if it didn't work. Now it is not there at all. Allowing images (like graphs) makes some postings much more meaningful.
Speaking of images, I think the author pix just slow down the front page loading and should be put with their bios. I also thought there was going to be a spell checker.
--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape
February 5, 2006 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
On the discussion tab, there's a silly typo on the next/previous link at the bottom of the comment form. "Discussion" is misspelled following "previous." (And yes, I'm sure there's a typo in this post--a corollary of Murphy's law is that people pointing out a typographical or grammatical error invariably make one in the process of doing so.
February 5, 2006 10:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
The front page does not render properly in the Safari browser in Mac OSX. I've made a screen dump of the mess available here.
February 5, 2006 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
Wow. The front page looks great. Really great. I can already tell I'm going like having the parallel scrolls of coffe house & other stuff. And lord knows, I love me my threaded comments.
February 5, 2006 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
not working in firefox for my mac. please fix.
February 5, 2006 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
another weird thing. when easy editor is on it thinks the "body of my message is empty" and won't post it.
February 5, 2006 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm getting the same thing on fireforx 1.5.01 on XP
With me, however, everythign is readable except that the blog title (headline..) bleeds into the tab-links (The coffee house.. american abroad... warren reports, etc)
Also on the left hand side some of the text from "overheard on blogs bleeds over as well, under boycotts do work there's Nonsense....Idiot and the idiot makes itself known in the body of the text of the main vblog post area.
February 5, 2006 10:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Posting diaries seems to have a glitch. Each posting appears multiple times in the "to be moderated" queue. I think this may be due to the fact that the diary is getting posted when the author presses the preview tab as well as being previewed.
It would be useful if a date stamp were reinstated with the diary title in the queue. It's useful to see how recent a new diary is.
--- Policies not Politics
Daily Landscape
February 5, 2006 11:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daily Muck will appear in the Coffeehouse; the Book Club button will appear above when it's a Book Club week. Otherwise, look at the Sitemap
February 5, 2006 11:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I would put comment titles and the [New] tag back.
sPh
February 5, 2006 11:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
I should add that the front page seems to be the only one that doesn't render properly. Only on the front page are the 5 tabs stacked 3 over 2. On every other page I've looked at, they run 5 across.
It looks like there's a line break missing in front of the title "Welcome to the new TPMCafe!"
Perhaps the problem is that on the opening page, the line of tabs doesn't break before the title. The design is superb, although I'll miss that header graphic, the café as a hive of activity.
February 5, 2006 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
While the layout is a great improvement, I think you might find that you have may a major flaw in not having some kind of link so people can access comments somehow. Like "My Comments" or "All Recent Comments" or at bare minimum through a Member I.D. page where you could get all the person's comments.
I have bounced around FAQ and other links and I see no way to access comments at all. Only stories.
All it seems one can acess right now by clicking on a person's name (or your own name) is their stories.
This is not typical of most systems, you are usually able to access to access everything a person does on a site (including ratings--it's important to a ratings system that the community can police ratings abusers that way, by looking at a person's ratings. But that's secondary.)
Here's why I think something like "My Comments" or at least a place to see all Comments and the thread titles is so important:
I infer from its title, etc., this site is basically to foster public discussion! Many times you have no reason to go back to a thread you have commented on. If you can't see that a person has replied to one of your comments, if you can't even find your own comment, how can you continue a discussion?
That there is no way to find comments, what this does is almost negate the reason for installing threaded view of commenting. No sub-threads will develop because people coming back the next day will have no idea that someone has replied to their comment!
With the set-up you have now, without having some way to access comments, you are encouraging responding only to the original poster of the story, in a straight line, and discouraging discussion between commenters. I would suspect that this will help encourage more dittohead type of commenting like on Atrios or Steve Clemons, and discourage the type of sophisticated discussion that we have had here so far. It will also encourage people to make many more new diary and story posts to get across their opinion on another post, rather than "discuss" on a thread already going. It doesn't foster discussion, you see? It fosters blogging by individuals, individuals pushing their own opinion, without interplay. It may also cause some people to use the private message system to continue a discussion on something when it would have been so much better to share it in public.
While a link like "My Comments" is the most useful type, one can also navigate responses and discussions sufficiently by having a link to "all recent comments," by scrolling a chronological list of comments to see on which threads new comments have been placed.
But without access to comments somehow, the set-up discourages conversation; it basically forces people to start new posts to get across a point, and negates the reason for having threading. Why even reply to a comment when the commenter has virtually no way of knowing that the reply is there?
Also, I am finding that I must put two spaces between paragraphs in order for paragraphs to appear. If this is true for everyone, it will make for a lot of difficult-to-read comments.
February 5, 2006 11:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
AFAIK, EasyEditor (or as it's called on the Air America blogs, Rich Text) simply doesn't work on a Mac. I keep it turned off
February 5, 2006 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Any advice for "validation error" on a post?
Also, my new discussion posts are showing up as multiples in the moderation queue.
February 5, 2006 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
My reference to the misspelled "discussion" was incorrect. The offending typo is in the hyperlink "Previous discusstion topic."
In the moderation tab, I also see the multiple instances. I was reviewing a post that had material below the fold. However, I was unable to read the material--I got an "access denied" error when I try to view the next page.
February 5, 2006 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is the error I receive: "You are not authorized to access this page."
February 5, 2006 11:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Did you look at the track tab on your profile?
February 5, 2006 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
More problems:
The reply to comment and preview comment buttons don't work for me! When I hit reply or preview I get no link to actually post the comment; I had to go back and rewrite.
To get back to the topic of my original comment, about not being able to access "my comments" or "recent comments," I had a heck of a time finding this thread to comment on it again! I was clicking "Coffee House" and couldn't find it. I finally found it by clicking on "Home". You don't have your name on the drop-down list of contributors, so I couldn't find it that way. I had no idea where it was.
Do you see how this is a big problem? It's difficult to find the threads on which one was taking part in a discussion! New threads are going to push very recent threads down very fast. To participate in thoughtful discussion, one is going to have to put stories on favorites or something, and most people just won't do this. I think it's a serious flaw, it's going to hurt your goal of serious, thoughtful discussion, and is going to foster more short quippy like comments geared towards impressing or dissing the original post. The system as you have it set up encourages blogging only and discourages discussion. At bare minimum, the link on a person's I.D. page should not be only to their blog; one should be able to access all their content (stories, blog/diary, comments, ratings); this is standard with most of the software and it is what people are used to--one can do it on Kos, for instance.
I can foresee that all of this will make more work for you, too. If you want people to see a post like this one over a full day or two, and to give you thoughtful feedback, you are going to have to keep bumping it up over new stories. Someone might comment quickly on the new software, come up with a new problem 12 hours later, and they can't find the thread, and they don't bother adding the new comment.
What the heck is the "track" link at top of user/member page? It seems like this may be intended to afford the kind of access missing right now, but what it returns right now seems to be nonsense. On my own "track" link, on my user page, I get a bunch of old My Blog entries mixed with new, but not all of them, and some threads I have commented on (some reallly really old!) but not others. There are "new" signs on some of these, but they don't make any sense what is "new". I suspect that they are to tell me that there are new comments on a thread I posted a comment on a month ago (not replies to my own comments, mind you, just new comments.) I don't understand what usefulness this has as it is? Anyone understand it?
February 5, 2006 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you look at the track tab on your profile
Well, at least I now can reply to a comment; before I got no box to do so. :-)
As I said in a comment downthread, I don't find the track tab very useful at all.
It does not appear to catch everything and it only gives you entire threads you have commented on. For those it caught, this is not a very efficient way of responding to someone if the thread has 134 comments on it. The red "new" signs are not live links to take you to what's new in the 134 comment-thread. I suppose you could click on your browser search and search for your user name to see if anyone has responded to your own comments. But difficult solutions like this will not foster thoughtful discussion, as it's not user friendly for people who aren't over experienced at navigating around sites, which is most people, and which usually includes very thoughtful and knowledgeable people on topics of interest, busy people with jobs who aren't net addicts. :-) As set up, I still see a lack of access to comments as possibly a real detriment to sophisticated discourse. This is much more like the simple haloscan comments systems on many blogs; it doesn't foster sophisticated discussion.
BTW, I am pretty sure that furnishing a "my comments" or similar link here will not be that difficult for techies.
I just think it's a prejudice that managment has that blinds them to what's needed by the users of the site. I saw it in the old set-up. They set up Scoop to link to "My Blog" when one clicked on a user name, when they should have chosen the link to go to the user page, so people could see all the content of a user--that's the standard or default. They made it difficult to find comments when actually it's easy to do so.
Since all the contributors, including Josh and Kate rarely comment, but rather, mostly start new posts, I suspect that they don't see how much of an attraction of accessing comments for most of the users here. They are on a different wavelength, they are thinking about framing issues. But most readers/users come to discuss the framed issues; that's what many appear to like about the site. People don't come here to blog, they come to discuss.
This is also why many people wanted threaded or stepped comments. So they could see a reply, click on it, click on "parent" and read only the sub-thread to get the context of the comment, and not have to read or scroll through the whole dang 150-long comment thread.
There is little benefit to threaded comments if you can't easily access sub-threads. Perhaps some benefit in that you see a thread in outline form, but that is all.
February 5, 2006 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, there is some kind of strange problem going on in the submission queue. I'm a "voting moderator," and am seeing lots of duplicates of the stories in the submission queue.
But it only lets me vote once on each submission, and it seems that only one of the multiples of each story is the "votable" one. The rest of the duplicates do not offer a vote option, even before I vote. You have to click on like 4 duplicate submissions to find the one you are allowed to vote on, it's like gambling. :-)
February 5, 2006 12:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, "track" has me confused, too. (And the comments above give me a sense of how the default paragraphing question affects different posters, a question I'd raised this morning.)
Also, am I mistaken or does a post with nothing below the fold, like one from Reed H. today, have a "continue reading" link? It wouldn't in the old design, and that's wiser. I felt silly clicking and waiting, in order to find nothing.
I don't yet have the "feel" for how the home page works. Is it chronological reading down the left and then down the right, or is it chronological down the left with some features at right? I can't say yet whether it's unclear to average readers or I'm being a doofus, but I'll put it out.
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
February 5, 2006 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Site's beautiful. Very good work, people.
February 5, 2006 1:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ok, another dumb thought or two. I clicked on Coffee House (and I never did understand how it differed from the home page or even realize it did differ, so I'd love some clarification), and besides a different set of posts, I see a left column a bit like the right column in the old design, including disscussion posts as well as blogs. That might be helpful on the home page, but also I see that blog titles include author in parens, but discussion posts don't. Can I recommend adding author there, too?
John
http://www.haberarts.com/
February 5, 2006 1:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Re: comments - what artappraiser said.
February 5, 2006 1:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
With the "Rate All" button changed to "Rate", it means you have to reload the page multiple times to rate multiple comments.
February 5, 2006 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
After only a couple of hours of playing with the new site, I'm not sure how it isn't a downgrade from Scoop. I'd love for Kate or someone to explain why the switch was made. I'm sure there are positive aspects that are yet invisible to me.
February 5, 2006 4:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It's difficult to find the threads on which one was taking part in a discussion! New threads are going to push very recent threads down very fast. To participate in thoughtful discussion, one is going to have to put stories on favorites or something, and most people just won't do this. I think it's a serious flaw, it's going to hurt your goal of serious, thoughtful discussion, and is going to foster more short quippy like comments geared towards impressing or dissing the original post."
Yup. Exactly. It's very difficult for me to see how the new system isn't a fundamental downgrade from Scoop from a commenter's point of view.
February 5, 2006 4:43 PM | Reply | Permalink