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Does that headline sound slightly confusing--making you wonder whether I'm about to write about the Roe v Wade 33d anniversary today, or about the question of whether homos (whoops, I mean lesbians and gay men--my bad!) are born that way or make a decision about it? Well, there's a reason for that confusion: the question of reproductive freedom and the question of gay rights are the same question. And--you're going to hear this theme from me repeatedly--progressives cannot win if they try to throw the "sex" issues over the side of the boat.


Family matters. To most people, family--i.e., the people you love and toward whom you feel you have moral and emotional obligations--is the reason to get up in the morning, to go to work, to vote for or against this policy or that. When, whether, and with whom you get to form a family is what the marriage debates are all about. Unless progressives insist that at the root of our values is the belief the individuals involved should have the moral responsibility and freedom to make those decisions (right, wrong, incomprehensible, or otherwise) for themselves, then we will not be able to move on with the rest of our  beliefs:

beliefs about community responsibility for caring for people who are too young, aged, weak, poor, alone, or ill to fight for themselves--i.e., about the work v. family dilemma, the minimum wage, etc.


The right wing wants one mandatory family structure, with all other family structures considered shameful, their members cast out from legal recognition or social safety nets, left to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. Our side must be for family pluralism and reproductive freedom. This can be cast in libertarian terms: it's not the government's decision who you marry or when and whether you bear a child. Or it can be cast in terms of what it means to be a good citizen: citizenship means respecting and embracing everyone, even (especially) when you disagree. These are crude abstractions, and of course we can all think of many exceptions to those generalizations, but this is a blog, after all, not a dissertation. In these short posts I'm trying to follow Brecht's suggestion: "Crude thinking--that is the thinking of the great."


I know that for many progressives, reproductive freedom and gay rights are "girl" issues, not "red meat" politics. I disagree. These are family issues. Family issues are red meat issues. The right wing sure has figured that out. It's time our side did too.  


More on Roe's 33d anniversary:

...Over at PopPolitics, Jaclyn Friedman makes an interesting (if rhetorically overheated) argument against talking about "choice."


...Above, before the jump, I linked to Bush v Choice, which has some fascinating legislative facts.


...Amanda over at Pandagon rolls her eyes at the fact that Bush has proclaimed today National Sanctity of Human Life day. He actually boasts about the global gag rule, in which overseas groups will not receive any US funding if they so much as mention the word "abortion" -- a policy that has deadly results.


One last addendum to this rambling post on family life, reproductive freedom, and gay rights. On Friday I got an email from a dear old friend who runs an abortion clinic. Before the quote, try to remember being 12 and having your body change in bizarre Alice-in-Wonderland ways, swellings hither and yon, soreness in every new swelling, and your period coming three times in 6 weeks and then not at all for 8 months and ... Okay, here's the quote:


"Too bad you weren't here a minute ago when we did an ultrasound on a 13 year old African American girl who is over 25 weeks pregnant.  She figured out last night she was pregnant.  


She did not want to have sex. We can't help her.  Who the f*** will?"


And yes, my friend did report the child's rape to the appropriate authorities.


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The people we have in power want to take advantage of people who aren't well-informed about sexual orientation issues, so they will vote Republican. They want to stir up people who are opposed to abortion ("Fine, don't have one"), so they will focus on taking other people's right to choose away. What they don't want Americans to focus on are the facts that Medicare is being ruined, Iraq is a fiasco, Bush and Rove (with the help of McCain and many of the hapless Democrats) are manipulating us into air attacks on Iran to set up security as the main issue for the 2006 election, our pensions are being taken away, etc. These are sad times for the people of the world. All well-informed people need to speak out.

"Too bad you weren't here a minute ago when we did an ultrasound on a 13 year old

She can't vote and no politician will have his picture taken with her.  She is invisible.  The only people who matter now are big guys with big cars or big guns.

I am glad to see more and more people saying that the bell tolls for all of us.  Those of us who are supposed to care need to make an issue out of it, not run from it.  As Rana said in comments over on Shakespeare's Sister, Once you start throwing some people under the bus, anyone can be next.  And there is no point for the Democrats to do it, because the Republicans are much better at it.

First, protection of Americans' constitutional right to liberty is obviously an important issue for us.  But it is not central -- red meat, as you like.  The fact that you can see casting it in various ways shows that it is not in fact central. 

Secondly, to even be a useful 2d tier issue, family pluralism and reproductive freedom are terms and ideas that should be tossed.  Try "protecting our right to privacy," or "ensuring individual liberty," or something that shows that these are issues that matter to all Americans, not just "special interests." 

Think "death tax." (!) 
I think "all choice takes place in a moral/legal framework, Let’s talk about the framework!" is a reasonable slogan for reframing the abortion debate.

I think it's wrong to conflate the provision of increased rights/benefits for committed homosexual couples through civil unions with the legal marriage issue.  The latter takes on in many people's minds a significance that far exceeds its practical value-added for the previously mentioned committed homosexual couples.

What we really got to do is reframe these issues so that their resolution doesn't signify in peoples minds whether the Fundamentalists or the Modernists were right in the early 20th Ctry schism that took place in our country. 

IMO, both sides were wrong and we need to do our best to keep such interminable debates from being associated with practical legislation.  But that's going to require better intercultural communication and people from both sides to be willing to stand against the herds and practically love their opponents in these contentious issues. 

dlw
EJ Graff writes: progressives cannot win if they try to throw the "sex" issues over the side of the boat. Why is that?Are you really saying  "if we don't address these issues you'll go to the other side", or are you saying "if we don't get what we want, we'll stay home and let the other side win?
How is this to be understood? Or maybe I am mischaracterizing that statement Your asking us to fight against the opposition party,  who you know won't address your issue, or any other issue, all Americans , including Same Sex partners care about.Could National Healthcare be the answer to the abortion issue? That no one questions what medical procedure you have. The same as Thoreau didn't feel he should pay for the military. Framing the issue of every tax we pay is not directed to causes we support.So much injustice. We've fought for these issues and keep coming up short on election night, Do we need a new strategy?  
We need to bridge the values we can agree on,  not issues that will not win the election. Can't we agree, that if we had a decent National Healthcare in America, that even your constituents could recieve benefits from?
I do not know whether most American men and women view their family lives in terms of "choice."  This doesn't mean that choice has no role or the lack of choice is acceptable, only that the term does not really apply intuitively to the day to day reality.

My wife and I have two in diapers, one with autism.  We love our children dearly; I work as an attorney and she really works as a stay-at-home mom.  She coordinates the various social service agencies that provide speech, occupational therapy and general special ed for our Sam.  The concept of choice simply does not resonate for either of us in conceiving of our family; the applicable terms are duty, love, loyalty, courage, affection, hope and diligence.  We have it a lot easier than a lot of special needs parents, however.  Choice?  What a concept.  I get to choose whether to get up and take the 5:48 commuter train to my job, or to "slouch" and take the 6:33.  Maybe I get to choose my lunch.

It doesn't mean that we don't care about governing our own lives, or that I would want abortion prosecuted as a crime by some right-wing Hee-Haw thug.  I guess it's a matter of focus.  Maybe it's like being a soldier; he or she may not favor the draft, but in the field, he or she is thinking not about "choice" but about doing his or her duty and intensely about not dying before getting honorably discharged.  Choice takes you out of the minefield and into a Baskin-Robbins with 31 flavors of ice cream, after the tour of duty is over.  Hence the successful results of the pro-life movement's slogan, "it's a child, not a choice."

I have to assume that gay couples and other families likewise view their families not as "choices" but as sworn non-negotiable duties, integral to and seared into their identies.  I have to assume that gay families have the same "Duty Honor Family" idea that more traditional straight families do.  Perhaps the gay marriage debate would go forward better if gay couples emphasized duty and commitment over "choice" and "equality."  Gay marriage might be more likely to survive as a concept if the image were not two gay or lesbian spouses kissing at the altar, but rather one kissing the other's forehead during an overnight in the hospital.

Well, I thought this is a terrific post. Apparently, many of the other commentators didn't take from it what I did.

The issue isn't whether or not you use the word "choice," the point is that the sexual/gender issues with which Republicans regularly beat Liberals around the head and neck can't be discarded, not without seriously undermining a progressive/liberal, Democratic point of view that is really about family values, as well  as about individual liberty.

One of the right-wing tropes that drives me nuts is the notion that gay people are somehow outside the purview of "the family." Gay people come from families, they have fathers and mothers, and sisters, and aunts, uncles; the treatment of gays by the larger society is of concern to many people who may not themselves be gay.

Inclusivity is a democratic value, and individual liberty, or choice if you will, needn't, and in fact, doesn't exist outside the context of love, duty, care-giving and committment. It isn't just Gay marriage that is constantly vilified, it's not just gay families, it's families with two working parents, it's families headed up by a single woman, or a divorced woman, it's blended families, in fact, it's the majority of families in this country that don't conform to the right's notion of what good families should look like.

It's within families that most of us make the most critical decisions that involve our liberty to govern our private right to live by our own lights - the freedom to make reproductive decisions for ourselves, end of life decisions, in an odd sort of way the right is inviting the state into the most private part of our lives, to limit the range of choices we have in how we deal with a fatal illness of a beloved parent, for instance.

Thanks, E.J. for opening up a rich area of possiblities worthy of more thought and discusion. 

 

 

 

 

The right wing wants one mandatory family structure....

And we need to throw what they want right back in their faces.  Go to you candidates' forums, and don't be too shy to ask anti-choice, anti-gay marriage advocates what their favored sexual position(s) is/are. 

And if that's none of our business, then what do they really want when they insist that gay couples ought to be prevented from entering their relationships into legal committments?  Or allowing the Republican Party to impose itself on family planning?  Or requiring Congress to dictate how we die?  Either everyone's intimate choices are their own damn business, or nobody else's.  They will seize the right to have it both ways until we stop them with direct questions.

Let's start treating holier-than-thou blowhards like the perverted busy-bodies they really are.
Yes, there is a lot of uninformed people, but they also frame the issues differently.  We also need to improve intercultural communication on these issues so that they generate more light and less heat and don't crowd out other issues.

dlw
One can also view the abortion issue as one of the potential redef'n of when we treat the unborn as legally-protected persons.

We can focus on accurately representing the facts surrounding homosexuality and focus on getting increased rights/benefits for committed gay couples in the form of civil unions.

Legal Gay marriage is too contentious of an issue, and it provides very little practical bang for the buck.  We don't want it to loom heavily in this upcoming election like it did in the last one.

dlw
One can defend the woman's constitutionally protected right to elect an abortion in defined circumstances and seek greater rights and acceptance for people with homosexual orientations in different ways.

If we take the time to understand the other side's cultural frames, we may be more likely to pick strategies for the above that will be more successful and help redirect their political activism along different venues.

dlw
That'll do very little besides raise the level of acrimony in an already acrimony-ridden set of issues.

Democracy requires open dialogue and compromise. 

The absence of these two on these issues has caused a decline in the US's democracy on these issues over the course of the past 33 years and the fault for that ultimately lies on both sides.

dlw

I appreciate the post's support for both abortion and gay rights. I appreciate, too, its hope to reframe policy debates in a more liberal poltical philosophy than the dominant spin allows (which is not the same as whining, I think, that liberals need new ideas). I can also understand why a supporter of gay marriage, which many Americans oppose and even many supporters like myself find a pretty marginal issue, might wish to see it yoked to abortion rights, which most Americans support and liberals like me support passionately. That said, even apart from the annoying "yuckety-yuk if I do say so myself" at the start, I didn't find the post persuasive.


First, it rambled too much to articulate the needed philosophy in the first place. I never felt persuaded by the references to caring for those in need, a core value for me, in context of family, unless family becomes no more than a metaphor for society and then undercuts the examples of choice it wants to use. Second, on a practical level I do hope progressive politics won't rise or fall on American support for gay marriage, as it pretty much did in 2004. But third, some things don't really convince me.


It privileges family over other contexts such as the social fabric or the individual, and those matter, too. Indeed, they sure matter to a single woman with an unwanted pregnancy or, for that matter, a woman in an abusive marriage outraged at spousal notification. They also matter to many of us concerned for the lineage of Griswold and who think, even single men, that decisions about medical care belong to doctor and patient, as in the original court reasoning. If Congress says you can't receive your heart medicine, say, you'd demand a compelling state interest, preferably one aligned with your interest, such as product safety. From these perspectives, too, elevating "values" may not sound like a terrific foundation for democracy. The framers had their doubts, and no wonder values have played thus far into the most bigoted hands.


It also yokes things together that do not have a necessary connection. One can believe that the right to privacy and to freedom from discrimination prohibits sodomy law, forbids workplace discrimination against gays, and gives various financial and medical benefits to gay partners without requiring gay marriage, which some consider sanctioning by the state or an intrusion on their religion (what their church will recognize). One can believe that it's my choice when to have kids while actually discriminating on that account against same-sex couples as unable to bear children on their own. These are not my views, but they're not illogical, and an emphasis on family could well invite them, blowing the intended cause out of the water. Frankly, I'd forget this post's attempt at philosophy and start over.

Yes, Leah, this is what I meant. Thank you for articulating it so clearly. I also meant a few other things, which I expressed in an earlier post, and also in an article that I've mentioned before, "Sir Elton Gets Equality."


Now I think I'll start a new post... back to the main Cafe page.

I think you are probably right that I did not sufficiently link lgbt rights and repro rights in this post. I don't know how to do it yet in only 600 or so words, which is the appropriate blogging length; I've got a long talk that lays it out (come hear me at UMass Boston on Feb 3, if you're around; critiques will be welcomed). Haven't found someone who wants to publish this yet, but I'll post the link here when I do. Or I'll write a new post when I get it shrunk down to talking points (to use the phrasing of the site's mothership).

Clearly, I'm not entirely used to the fact that people reading this site expect full-blown campaign messaging, ready for primte time. In my posts here, I'm not trying to write a platform for the Dems or run for office myself (although someone here talked about my "constituents," I have none). I'm trying to bring into the progressive discussion some ideas about life's meaning, and how that affects people's politics.


For most people, family is at the core of life's meaning. (Under "family", I'm including dear friends, blood relations, legal ties, offspring--everyone toward whom you feel obligation, affection, responsibility). One's sense of love and moral obligation to others stands at the core of life.


It therefore stands at the core also of one's politics. Why earn a living or agree to go to war if not to care for and protect your family? National security matters because you want yourself and your family (i.e., those you love) to be safe. The economy matters because you want to be able to keep a roof over your family's head (and feed them, clothe them, etc.) Pensions and medicare: you want your parents, yourself, or someday your children to be able to retire with some sense of dignity.


The obligations one feels for one's family can be extended to spill out more widely, to one's community and one's country and one's planet. To me, that's the moral commandment in the oft-quoted line from Micah -- What does God demand of you but that you do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your Lord?


My point is that family is at the core of a progressive agenda.

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