What to do about Iran?
Phil Gordon and I suggest an answer in this Sunday's Post.
Iran's decision to resume nuclear enrichment activities -- a key step in the process of making nuclear weapons -- is a direct challenge to the United States, Europe and the rest of the world. For more than two years now, Europe -- with Washington's support -- has offered Tehran a reasonable deal: End the nuclear enrichment work it had been doing in secret for nearly two decades and receive technical support for a civilian nuclear energy program as well as expanded economic and diplomatic ties.
Last week, the new Iranian government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad basically told the international community to get lost. It resumed research and development activities that had been suspended during the talks with the Europeans, still claiming that its nuclear program was entirely peaceful. As German Chancellor Angela Merkel made clear on her visit to Washington this month, even those most committed to a diplomatic solution with Iran now accept that diplomacy has run its course, and the time for decision and action has arrived.
But what decision, and what action? In the debate about how to respond to Iran, two opposing camps have emerged: One wants to give in to Iran; the other wants to bomb it. Both are wrong.
In the first camp are those -- mostly in Europe, but also in many other parts of the world -- who accept Tehran's argument that it has a right to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes. And while they would oppose an Iranian bomb, they argue that there is little we can do to prevent a determined Iran from building one eventually and that, in any case, a nuclear-armed Iran can be contained. It would be difficult to get international support for economic sanctions, they say, and even if Russia and China were somehow to agree to them, sanctions would fail to change policy -- as in Iraq, North Korea and Cuba.
This view is entirely too complacent. It's a delusion to believe that Iran's program is for civilian purposes only and that allowing Iran to master nuclear enrichment is therefore no big deal. Given Iran's long track record of hiding and lying about important aspects of its nuclear program, allowing it to develop enrichment and reprocessing capabilities -- even under an international inspection regime -- would remove the most important technical barrier to its acquiring nuclear weapons and leave the decision of going nuclear entirely in the hands of Ahmadinejad's radical Islamist government. That is an unacceptable risk.
The dangers of an Iranian bomb are clear. Others -- Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey -- could follow suit, both in order to deter Tehran and in the well-warranted belief that a world that allowed Iran to build a bomb would surely allow them to do so as well. This would be a fatal blow to the already shaky nuclear nonproliferation regime, which for nearly 40 years has helped convince countries as diverse as Sweden, South Korea, Brazil and Ukraine that the costs of acquiring nuclear weapons far outweigh the benefits. Moreover, a nuclear-armed Iran would represent a major threat to regional and global security. It could deter the United States and others from responding to Iranian aggression or to Tehran's support for terrorism in the Middle East and beyond. And given the messianic streak of Tehran's current leaders, do we really want to run the risk of them passing nuclear materials or even a weapon on to al Qaeda?
On the other side of the debate are those -- mostly in the United States -- who think that the time has come to use military force against Iran. Because diplomacy has failed and we are, as President Bush has said, "all sanctioned-out" as far as Iran is concerned, the only option left is a military strike against Iran's nuclear facilities before it is too late. If ever there were a case, they argue, for making good Bush's vow -- that America will "not allow the world's most dangerous regimes to possess . . . the world's most dangerous weapons" -- this is it.
This view, too, is wrong. U.S. air strikes probably could destroy Iran's critical nuclear facilities -- at least those we know about. But our intelligence is hardly perfect, so we would not really know if Tehran's nuclear program was in fact destroyed. A military attack against Iran would also undoubtedly generate strong public support among Iranians for an otherwise unpopular regime. Any lingering doubt that they needed a nuclear deterrent would be erased.
And are we prepared for what Iran could do in return? Through its Shiite partners in Iraq and Afghanistan, it could wreak havoc on our forces and undermine our efforts to stabilize both countries. It could threaten oil shipments through the Strait of Hormuz, through which more than one-third of the world's oil flows, and urge its terrorist friends to launch retaliatory strikes against our allies and us.
The option of relying on Israel to strike Iranian targets -- as alluded to last year by Vice President Cheney -- would be even worse. The Israelis would conduct the operation less effectively because of their more limited military means (striking targets in eastern Iran would be a stretch for Israel's limited-range F-15s), and the United States would bear the responsibility anyway, not least if it allowed the Israelis to fly over U.S.-controlled airspace in Iraq.
Given these bad options, what should the United States and Europe do instead? The answer is that they should do what they said they would do -- make Iran pay a real price if it refuses to suspend its uranium enrichment activities again. This means first making a concerted effort to win Russian and Chinese support for tough action at the International Atomic Energy Agency and the U.N. Security Council next month. Ideally, the Security Council should not only denounce Iran's actions but agree on an oil embargo and a ban on investment in Iran.
The credibility of sanctions would be enhanced if it were clear that negotiations could resume -- and punitive actions be suspended -- as soon as Tehran terminates the enrichment activities it recently resumed. The offer to support a civilian nuclear energy program, increase trade and investment -- and even engage in regional security talks and restore diplomatic relations with the United States -- would also remain on the table.
But if Tehran refuses to back down, it must pay a price. And while Russia and China may not go along, Europe, Japan and the United States should not hide behind their refusal. The argument that sanctions won't work without China, Russia and India on board is overstated. Only Western companies at present possess the sort of expertise and technology that Iran's energy sector needs, and in an integrated world oil market, whatever oil China and India purchase from Iran liberates supplies elsewhere. Iran could, of course, retaliate by pulling its oil off the world market, which would cause a price spike. But if Americans and Europeans are unwilling to run the risk of a temporary rise in oil prices as part of what it takes to prevent an Iranian bomb, then they had better be prepared to live with the consequences as well.
The Iranian government believes, as Ahmadinejad put it recently, that "you [the West] need us more than we need you." Do we really want to encourage him in this belief?
There is no guarantee that making the threat of sanctions more credible or actually imposing them will have an immediate and positive effect, but given the alternatives it certainly makes sense to find out. And even if sanctions don't work in the short term, they would still be useful to give future Iranian leaders an incentive to cooperate and to send a message to other potential proliferators. At the very least, serious sanctions would slow the nuclear program by squeezing the Iranian economy and cutting off key technologies, would further strain the already disgruntled middle classes who might one day push the current regime aside, and would serve as leverage in the future if Iran ever does decide to engage the West.
Iran must be presented with a clear choice: It can become an impoverished, isolated pariah state with nuclear weapons -- like North Korea -- or it can begin to reintegrate with the international community, meet the needs of its people and preserve its security in exchange for forgoing this capability. The choice will be for the Iranians to make. But we must force them to make it.










Strange. My views on the subject track your a great deal, yet I can't help but feel much of this piece is just scare-mongering. For instance, you write It's a delusion to believe that Iran's program is for civilian purposes , "It's a delusion to believe that Iran's program is for civilian purposes only...," but you fail to explain this. It has apparently reached the status of an unquestionable truth, like "the media is liberal," "democrats are weak on defense," or "Iraq has weapons of mass distruction."
Additionally, you say "The dangers of an Iranian bomb are clear." But are they? Isn't the possibility that other countries would build a bomb there anyway? Iran's conventional force far outweighs Saudi Arabia's, so the Saudis should already have an earnest desire for a balancing weapon. As for Egypt, they are in no way directly threatened by Iran. Their only competition would be for influence in the region, in which case building a bomb should have pretty much as much value to then whether or not Iran has one. Anyway, Egypt has lived next to a high-strung nuclear power for decades without building a bomb.
As for the "fatal blow" to non-proliferation, I think you might be closing that door a bit late. I suspect the fatal blow was struck by Israel, or India, or Pakistan, or North Korea, or A.Q. Khan. Hostility toward Iran won't salvage that.
Also, you say that Iran having the bomb "could deter the United States and others from responding to Iranian aggression." Setting asside the fact that Iran has not launched a war in a century, why would that be. The imbalance between US and Iranian conventional forces is so extreme that we would not need to fully commit to block an Iranian invasion of any country. For instance, we were able to do significant damage to Iran in the 1980's war simply by giving Iraq satellite data. Also, we fought a low-level war with the USSR for decades, how could be possibly be prevented from making any similar necessary moves against Iran?
And, of course, you destroy your credibility by asking, "do we really want to run the risk of them passing nuclear materials or even a weapon on to al Qaeda?" The idea that the world's leading Shi'ite nation would hand its most powerful weapon over to a fringe group that has sworn death to all Shi'ites is absurd on the face of it. Any reference to such a thing without a massive explanation of why such a possibility is credible is scare-mongering, pure and simple.
As for your talk of sanctions, you have not explained how to make them credible without the support of the entire world. You have tacitly accepted that without Chinese and Indian support, we cannot cut off Iran's oil sales. So we are left with ending US and European investment in Iran. But Iran has done fine without US investment for 25 years. So you are just advocating that Europe alone cut off investment. But Iran has its own petroleum sector, and the Chinese industry is growing fast. With Chinese, and especially with Russian help, Iran could do just fine without European investment. So your sanctions look pretty weak.
All in all, you seem to be trying to scare your readers, but without offering any real solutions.
January 21, 2006 9:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
North Korea with oil.
January 21, 2006 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Offer them a better deal: full membership of WTO, end to US sanctions, US opposition for any Israeli racist settler colonies beyond the 1967 borders (i.e. removal of the 100,000s of thousands of Jewish settlers in the West Bank and East Jerusalem), forcing Israel into the non-proliferation regime, abandoning the idea of permanent bases in Iraq, long term possible entry for Iran into the European Economic Area/ EU customs union like Turkey, a settlement of pre-1979 claims and full diplomatic relations, in return for Iran abandoning neuclear research and permanent full on-site inspections etc by US-EU teams with gendarm powers (reciprocated, if they like, with Iranian investigations of the nuclear sites of the EU non-nuclear powers e.g. Germany).
So far the EU and US have offered little. They are not serious about making the sort of political and economic offer the Iranians would consider worthwhile to abandon their nuclear ambitions. But the US prefers forcing the palestinians to accept Israeli settlements, maintaining Israeli regional hegemony, and lack of integration of Iran into existing forms of global governance to really trying to reduce Iran's incentives to get the bomb. Hence the farce of meaningless and ambiguous "expanded economic and diplomatic ties", the rush to say "diplomacy had run its course", and the steps, slow or quick, to war.
January 21, 2006 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
neither the US not Europe can offer any deals involving Israel. Israel is a sovereigrn satte and does take its orders rom either Washington or Brussels.
January 21, 2006 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Sure they can. Israel is entirely dependent on US and EU policies to maintain its colonisation of the Palestinians. Eisenhower forced that 'sovereign state' to abandon its settler colonies once. You could make the same point with Carter. The US can certainly do it again, if its serious about trying to reduce Iran's incentives to get the bomb.
This is an odd claim to make in a post about Iran. It's a sovereign state too, and US and EU policies, including policies toward other states, are trying to affect its behaviour.
January 21, 2006 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daalder: do we really want to run the risk of them passing nuclear materials or even a weapon on to al Qaeda?
This shocking display of ignorance discredits your entire post. It's the kind of thing I'd expect from a right-wing Republican pol, not a supposedly respectable policy wonk.
At least have enough basis in reality to get right which terrorist network the Iranian regime would conceivably work with (hint: begins with H.)
January 21, 2006 10:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
A much smarter way of dealing with Iran is outlined by Iran's Nobel Peace prize winning dissident, Shirin Ebadi, and an Iranian Physicist living in L.A., Muhammed Sahimi, on this Huffington Post report: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nathan-gardels/iran-nobel-winner-sa ys-un_b_14038.html. I have only one disagreement with their post. One is that the Russian offer can be a good temporary compromise until Iraq agrees to keep protocols in place, or at least for a cooling off period.
January 21, 2006 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Daadler, like so many other analysts, ignores two points: (1) the only reason Iran is not being subjected to onerous sanctions or worse is due to accidents of geography and the world's continued refusal to wake up to the political consequences of a hydrocarbon-based economy; and (2) it is simply naive not to take the rhetoric of radical Islam seriously, as the radicals are rising in power and the middle will always go along until it it too late and the pathology of extremism crystalizes into action. Then they pack their valises with the family jewels and head for the border, leaving the rabble behind.
If we develop hydrogen or other alternative fuels with the money we're wasting trying to control the price of oil through murder characterized as the "War on Terror," we've freed ourselves and others from the economic strangle-hold of the petro-terror states. Then, as we approach self-reliance, we can make clear-eyed polical decisions in response to such states when they advocate our destruction or the destruction of our allies. At that point, it won't matter if the radical Islamic states collapse into the anarchy that they seek to inflict on the rest of the World. Maybe the fire would have a purgative effect and maybe not, but there would be no "threat" from such a result, only consequences.
January 21, 2006 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
A few points in disagreement:
1. Iran does not need a nuclear bomb to deter the US. Thanks to the last US aggression, Iran's leverage in the region is exponentially greater. Arguably, Ahmadinejad's antics have weakened Iran's new power position at least vis-a-vis the West. On the other hand, he has probably strengthened his hand in the region by standing up to Bush's bluster and reinforced his country's deterrent position.
2. Iran's current leadership is not a monolith of messianic fanatics.
3. Everything Iran has done thus far is legal raising the question - What actions must the UNSC denounce?
4. Iran does not need Western Oil company technology. CNOOC has all that Iran needs and in a pinch can look to CITGO/Chavez. An embargo would be ineffective.
5. In my view, of all the points raised against "complacency", the most telling are the proliferation arguments. It is possible though by no means probable or certain that development of an Iranian nuclear weapon would lead Egypt, Saudi, perhaps Turkey (NATO's shield sufficient) to develop their own capabilities. Morever, Israel's 200 bomb arsenal is reportedly vulnerable to a first strike. All of this is potentially destabiliizing but all point in one direction and one only - detente and engagement
Thirty years ago, as a poliSci undergrad, George's Limits of Coercive Diplomacy was all the rage. Googling Limits, I found a number of articles on point by Bruce Jentleson.
I think we've exceed those limits here, but would be interested in Dr. Jentleson's assessment.
January 21, 2006 11:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
Rhetorical legerdemain.
Sanctions that do not work are not "at the very least. serious.." On the contrary, a failed sanctions regime would further solidify the position of Iranian hardliners and futher weaken moderate elements.
January 21, 2006 11:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Nice piece Ivo. this problem has us in a pickle, no doubt about it and your article is a thoughtful contribution. However, I don't think you can rule out a strike. all options must remain on the table, if only to give us leverage.
On the terrorism issue, i think the point is not necessarily that Iran will deliberately transfer but could do so because of theft and corruption, etc. so Ivo's point is still valid.
January 21, 2006 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Iran is the world's fourth largest oil exporter and second largest natural gas producer. China, India, indeed the world's fossil fuel market as a whole guarantee a false choice.
January 21, 2006 12:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
I see no good reason why we can't publicly as a country apologize to Iran for how we supported the fall of their democratically-elected gov't and the rise of the Shah in the 1950s.
I also think we need to make a commitment not to rely on nuclear weapons in our own military strategy for the foreseeable future. That will tend to slacken the arms-race, according to Bob MacNamara.
Finally, we might be able to stave off the oil wars and promote reforms if we adopted European-style oil/gas taxes and compensated people with transfers from a Basic Income Guarantee-style system. This is the simplest way we can force ourselves to cut down on our oil/gas dependency and reduce the influence of oil-autarchs on our gov't.
It's one that requires our leaders to call for real sacrifices on our behalf, but a necessary one as part of the War on TErrorism, inasmuch as it is the concentration of oil wealth(and our support of such gov'ts) that makes us targets of terrorist groups.
If we worked with EU to make the tax on gas/oil vary with improvement in an oil-producing country's human rights record then we might provide the needed political cover for indigenous reform movements in countries.
It's a win-win situation, so long as we can convince the US population to put aside our hyper-individualism that has long been contributing to these crises.
dlw
January 21, 2006 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Iranians have something we want - namely nuclear technology. We have things they want - better communuications technolgy, WTO membership, badly needed refining capacity, security guarantees, computer technologies etc. Right now Iran's foreign currency reserves are about $15 billion. Sizeable but to us relatively insignificant. A year's military action against Iran would probably run $100+ billion not even mentioning the economic and moral cost of casualties.
How about taking $50 billion in incentives ( the cost of which could even be shared somewhat by Europe and the Gulf Oil states) and buy the Iranians out of their nuclear ambitions. My very limited Iranian sources tell me it's a deal that would at least appeal to the masses and maybe even the clerics. Put a deal like that on the table and give it publicity and we will be the talk of the town in a positive way rather than the current blustering.
The only problem with this proposal is it does not appeal to the American cowboy culture, particularly this administration. We like it best when we can simply bully people to do what we want. Of course, there are other countries which will pursue the same "mouse that roared" approach in hopes of getting similar deals. We will have to take each case on it's merits but such an approach might be useful for others, like North Korea(Japan and South Korea will surely fund it). Of course, we would have to impose ironclad guarantees as part of the package.
The USA is a huge economic engine that throws off lots of money. It's ability to continue to do so depends on a stable mideast and other parts of the world. Buying our way out of problems surely should be part of our arsenal, along with diplomacy, foreign aid, cultural exchanges and our military.
January 21, 2006 12:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ivo: Ahmadinejad has the West by the balls.
Thanks to Bush's Iraqi debacle, the US can't threaten an invasion and nothing else counts: Sanctions and even bombs will only make the nut jobs in Tehran even stronger.
Comparing oil-rich Iran to impoverished NK is not being serious. Like China will endanger its prosperity so that Iran doesn't get a nuke (which it will anyway) while Pakistan got one with only a slap on the wrist from Washington. Yes, sure.
Bush put Ahmadinejad in the driver's seat, but people like Ivo want to believe we can shove him to the back of the bus by talking tough and slapping sanctions. Dream on!
While Iran won't cave in? Easy. It's surrounded by Pakistan, Russia, the US on both sides (Afghanistan and Iraq) and, within a short range, Israel, all of which have nukes.
PS a technical mistake you made you might want to correct. YOu say it's Iran's choice to reintegrate the international community and preserve its security, etc. Not true. The US refuses to grant Iran any security guarantees (even if it denukes) short of regime change. The US still calls Iran part of the axis of evil. So would you care to clarify your statement?
Has it occurred to you that the US persistent refusal to normalize relations with Iran might be the main source of its paranoia?
January 21, 2006 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
You raise a point that I think needs to be reiterated in all of the current 'what to do about Iran' discussions, namely that the NPT explicitly allows signature countries to develop nuclear technology, including enrichment. What Iran is doing is fully legal.
The argument that Iran might use its nuclear technology to develop a weapon is certainly valid, but suggests that further safeguards are needed on the NPT. These would have to be negotiated.
The argument that by hiding nuclear work Iran has been violating the NPT is also valid, but is a two-edged (or multi-edged) sword, because the US, and probably most of the other NPT signers, have also been fudging the limits of the NPT.
January 21, 2006 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'd like to commend Weasel on his thorough going over of Daalder and Gordon's typically myopic and dangerous take on the Iranian nuclear question. The most significant thing revealed about Daalder and which Weasel destroys is his innate establishment fear of countries with no record of invading other countries suddenly becoming hyper-aggressive. Though with the U.S. military machine on its border the prediction might turn out be prescient. Daalder sadly represents a typical world view that is delusional in its insistence on maintaining the ruse that the U.S. is an entirely neutral player, sitting atop its mountain of nuclear warheads with Soloman-like wisdom interested only in peace and democracy. I posted my own rant in the reader's blog section entitled "Whither Phase II? Blame It On Iran" of which the following has been excerpted:
"......Never mind about the fact that Iran has a right under international law to nuclear power. Forget that the boys in the nuke club have absolutely no intention of maintaining their obligations under the NPT and yet seem fit to threaten Iran with lethal force if they do! Baloney! Who cares? Stop harping on all this history stuff. You know that nasty little business about a CIA/British coup installing the Shah when their democratically elected leader suggested that Iran should have control over its oil. Forget that in Iran there is a healthy, public debate over whether to pursue nuclear weapons while all the rest of us WMD holders developed our weapons in total secrecy, even from our own citizens. Forget the talk of Iran being surrounded by nuclear tipped missiles. If you don't put a sock in it with this whining about how Israel made a huge display of how their purchase of the latest fighter bombers from the U.S. can, just coincidently you understand, fly missions to and from as far away as Iran, I'm going to force you to listen to a Bush radio address. So what if they're nervous because they have watched how the U.S. enthusiastically supported Iraq's initiation of a bloody war with Iran that killed millions. Sorry, your take on the Israeli bombing of the Iraqi reactor actually jump starting their nuclear weapons program doesn't fly with me. To heck with the U.S. being the biggest arms merchant in the world. I've had it with all of your harping on the U.S.'s insistence on achieving "Full Spectrum Dominance" over the rest of the world and how that increases the likelihood of more states wanting to protect themselves from the threat of U.S. aggression. That line of thinking is twisted. I guess we should all blame America first, right? Will you shut up about U.S. space based weapons on the drawing boards that are fueling an arms race with China and Russia? Forget that the mullahs might be antsy over the U.S. attacking Iraq, which didn't have nukes. Phooey! We're not attacking North Korea, a far more dangerous regime? What's your point? Are you suggesting it's because they have a few bombs? We're not scared of that Kim dude! We have priorities. Forget all this blather about sanctions and/or military strikes setting back the democracy movement in Iran. We know something about sanctions, buddy. Look, killing 500,000 children in Iraq under the sanctions regime and weakening the opposition to Saddam "was worth it". And we sic predators with cameras and missiles on whom we please, mister. Sorry! I can't hear you! I'm not listening to all of this quaking in the boots stuff about how if we lob a little missile into Iran they might make our lives a living hell in Iraq and the rest of the region, the likes of which will have us longing achingly for the good old days of the early occupation, okay? And we've had oil shocks before. I'm not worried about oil prices skyrocketing. Forget about IAEA and their useless inspections. So what if they were right about Iraq and were the one mechanism that could have averted a costly and pointless war. I'm sorry but inspections put me to sleep. Don't bore me with talk of diplomacy and reasoned, steady engagement with our adversaries. Are you kidding? We're talking about the Iranians! They take hostages!! They're not democratic! They don't even speak Arabic for crying out loud! They can't be reasoned with! If you trot out your tired rant about how many murderous regimes (Saddam being a fave) we not only "reasoned" with but kept in guns and hookers for decades I'm going to blow a gasket. I'm serious.
Martin D
January 21, 2006 2:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ivo, you struck out this time. I read your article with anticipation for learning about some realistic approach to Iran, something not yet bandied about. Alas, I didn't find that. In fact I found no idea at all about how to approach Iran in a way with some probability for success.
That may well be the fate of every idea proposed - our invasion and occupation of Iraq, along with our torture of Iraqis, and meddling in their process of adopting a new government probably means we cannot productively approach Iran. And, we sure can't handle this problem militarily.
I think, as another commenter put it, Iran just has us by the balls. When that happens you don't try to negotiate, you just ask what they want and give it up.
January 21, 2006 3:16 PM | Reply | Permalink
This article is unmitigated drivel. Specifically:
"even those most committed to a diplomatic solution with Iran now accept that diplomacy has run its course, and the time for decision and action has arrived."
Nonsense. The Iranians are five years away from a bomb. Secondly, as the Iranian envoy to the IAEA has pointed out in an interview recently, the seals were broken only to resume enrichment research. Everything is STILL under IAEA video cameras.
So where is the "crisis"? This is propaganda, nothing more.
" It's a delusion to believe that Iran's program is for civilian purposes only and that allowing Iran to master nuclear enrichment is therefore no big deal. Given Iran's long track record of hiding and lying about important aspects of its nuclear program, allowing it to develop enrichment and reprocessing capabilities -- even under an international inspection regime -- would remove the most important technical barrier to its acquiring nuclear weapons and leave the decision of going nuclear entirely in the hands of Ahmadinejad's radical Islamist government. That is an unacceptable risk."
To whom? Israel? That is the only party at risk from a nuclear Iran - and since Iran would NEVER preemptively attack Israel with nuclear weapons as long as the US - with its thousands of weapons - not to mention Israel's nuclear-equipped cruise missle submarines in the Gulf - is Israel's defender, the entire concept is nonsense.
Iran engaged in hidden nuclear research for PRECISELY the reason that their enemies would engage in the exact logic this article does. They also did for the precise reason that ISRAEL did the exact same thing. Notice how Israel's nuclear program is not mentioned anywhere here? Exactly WHY does Israel need in excess of 200 nuclear weapons to DEFEND itself?
"Moreover, a nuclear-armed Iran would represent a major threat to regional and global security. It could deter the United States and others from responding to Iranian aggression or to Tehran's support for terrorism in the Middle East and beyond. And given the messianic streak of Tehran's current leaders, do we really want to run the risk of them passing nuclear materials or even a weapon on to al Qaeda?"
This, too, is utter drivel. How can Iran's one or two nuclear weapons possibly deter the United States - with thousands of nuclear weapons and more than enough conventional military power to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities in any event - in the event of unprovoked Iranian territorial expansion - let alone an attack on Israel? In the first place, Iran has indicated NO desire to expand its territory to any of its neighbors. Still less likely is the possibility that any such would go unopposed, nuclear weapons or not.
The idea that Iran would hand nuclear weapons to terrorists is completely braindead. Any nuclear weapon handed to terrorists would be tracked back to its origin before or after its use and the supplier would be nuked out of existence. It's ridiculous to even contemplate this scenario.
More importantly, this is the same nonsensical propaganda that was deployed to further notion that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the US - despite the fact that there was never any evidence of a connection between Hussein or Al Qaeda. The evidence linking Iran to Al Qaeda is scarcely any better. The fact that Iran is run by Muslim Mullahs is irrelevant to the issue. The Mullahs are not going to see their entire nation nuked out of existence by arbitrarily handing out nukes to terrorist groups who are not under their total control for the dubious goal of blowing up a city in Israel. It's ridiculous. It's pure neocon propaganda.
The ONLY scenario at risk here is that a nuclear weapon could be STOLEN by terrorists from a state possessing them. This is PRECISELY the reason that Israel should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons. If a terrorist group managed to steal such a weapon and use it on Israel or the United States, who would the US be able to attack in retaliation?
This is hyperbolic propaganda, nothing more.
The article IS correct that using military force against Iran - either by supporting an Israeli attack or initiating one ourselves - is a REALLY bad idea.
The article demands sanctions against Iran by making an oil embargo. Just how would this be enforced? The Iraq oil embargo was hardly totally effective, and Iran's oil influence in the world is far larger than Iraq's.
Exactly how would Iranian oil shipments be embargoed? US naval vessels interdicting Iranian oil shipments on the high seas would result in a war in short order.
The impact of an Iranian oil embargo on the world's economies is glossed over by the article as a "necessary price to pay." However, it has already been specifically analyzed by oil industry analysts, and the conclusions are that the world economies cannot afford to lose Iranian oil. This is in fact why the Iranians are not particularly concerned by any particular threat of sanctions. They KNOW that China, Europe and others NEED Iranian oil.
The final paragraph of this article threatens Iran with being a "pariah impoverished state like North Korea." This is extremely unlikely - first, because Iran has much more to offer the world than North Korea - namely oil and gas. It also has a more thriving economy and dynamic culture than North Korea which has languished under Communist rule for the last half century.
In addition, the article ignores the extraordinary lengths that the Iranians have gone to maintain their involvement with the Western community in the process of negotiating for the right to continue their nuclear program. They have voluntarily gone BEYOND their legal requirements in complying with the West - and as a result they have subjected to repeated verbal attacks by the US government and theats of sanctions and military action, including direct threats by Israel.
If I was treated like that, I would tell the West to "get lost", too.
The entire article offers NO solutions to the Iranian issue - merely more of the same crap we've come to expect from people who do not understand either Iran's attitude or the position of Iran in the scheme of things - not to mention the baleful influence of both Israel and the neocons on this discussion for their own agendas.
Iran WILL become a nuclear power in the next five years IF that is what they want to do. The only country negatively affected by this situation will be Israel - and that will be GOOD for the Middle East. If other countries in the region seek to go nuclear for the same reasons, that also will be good for the Middle East in restraining and preventing the encroachment of Israel's Zionists on the ultimate plan of completely controlling the Middle East and its oil.
The only way to convince Iran and the other nations in the region NOT to go nuclear would be for the United States to renounce all military support to Israel, to go on the offensive in requiring Israel to live up to the numerous UN resolutions it has defied for fifty years, to refer Israel to the UN for sanctions if it does not begin a program of unilateral nuclear disarmament, to force Israel to deal fairly with the Palestinians, and for the United States itself to renounce all of IT'S interference in the internal affairs of the Middle East including the support of corrupt monarchies and secular governments in the Middle East.
This will also reduce terrorism in the West, because these are precisely the issues that are the cause of the antipathy toward the West which spurs bin Laden and others to attack the West.
Since none of this is going to happen, you had better make peace with the idea of a nuclear Iran - and possibly a nuclear Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and anybody else who is threatened by Israel.
Unfortunately, it is very clear that Israel and the neocons in the US intend to launch a military attack on Iran within the next three to six months (timing depending on preparation of the ground in the UN and elsewhere).
Progressives in the US have no more than this amount of time to press Congress to pass legislation explicitly preventing the President from initiating OR supporting ANY military action against Iran without the express Declaration of War by Congress, and to explicitly prohibit the President from authorizing the use of nuclear weapons against ANY non-nuclear nation without the express authorization of Congress.
Otherwise, a year from now, you'll all be saying how you were against the war in Iran from the git-go - as thousands of US troops die every month , and a gallon of gas costs you $10, and the US economy sinks back into recession.
January 21, 2006 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Darn, Richard. If we were to follow your prescription, huge military spending might no longer be necessary, think tanks would go mute, infuriated pro-Israel neocons and an entire defense industry might wither away. Worst of all, the West might have to get serious about finding new, non-petroleum, energy sources and we'd wind up with a progressive government and society.
What a nightmare.
How could you.
January 21, 2006 3:50 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yep, those war drums are beating triplets.
January 21, 2006 3:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm suspicious. I don't see any advantage to Iran in having nuclear weapons, as the possessing of them would only make them a prime target of the United States' larger, better-targeted and lunatic-controlled (see under Iraq, Invasion of) arsenal. What it achieves for Ahmadinejad (sp?) is a casus belli - if there is an Israeli/US attack on his facilities, he can declare the kind of military emergency against his domestic opponents that George W has against his.
For me, the dog that hasn't barked is the Iranian military. Given the level of casualties that the Iran-Iraq war implied they seem prepared to accept, they have a quite playable "game" in which they make a massive infantry attack along their long frontier with Iraq, beseige the US Army compounds and take 130,000 hostages; they then declare a pan-Islamic "green march" on Israel, consisting of Iranian soldiers, irregulars, civilians and a human shield of U.S. PoWs. Not quite Geneva convention, but what does that count after Guantanamo/Bagram/Abu Ghraib?
If that's too bold a move, they could simply issue a formal declaration of war. Stability in Iraq is then SUNK. But Ahmadinejad needs a provocation before he can issue one of those, so he needs the brinkmanship of playing with nuclear capability.
If Iran was serious about deterring a US attack, they would be seeking security guarantees from the Chinese. A Chinese nuclear umbrella over Iran may yet happen, indeed it may end up on the table as a quid pro quo against Iran developing its own capability.
January 21, 2006 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like small children, we Americans tend to see everything going on in the world as about us, demanding our attention.
The latest Iran moves may well not be about us. They probably please a lot of people in the Middle East who like to see us get our knickers in a twist, but Iran's muscle flexing is as likely to be about a) internal politics, and b) the relationship with China. The reaction of the US and Europe could just be gravy for Ahmadinejad who strikes me as being remarkably like George W. Bush in character and pretensions.
January 21, 2006 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
Darn, Richard. If we were to follow your prescription, huge military spending might no longer be necessary, think tanks would go mute, infuriated pro-Israel neocons and an entire defense industry might wither away. Worst of all, the West might have to get serious about finding new, non-petroleum, energy sources and we'd wind up with a progressive government and society.
You left out the worst consequence of all: folks like Ivo would see their career prospects dry up and blow away. The entire mindset of scare, scare, scare is self-perpetuating, because almost everyone gains some benefit from it. Scared people pay more attention to the media, so the media benefit. Scared people support defense spending, so defense industries benefit. Scared people support the government, so politicians benefit. Scared people like being alternatively frightened and then reassured, so people like Ivo benefit. And of course, as anyone who's ever told or listened to ghost stories around a campfire or been to a horror film knows, people themselves love a good vicarious scare. Everyone wins here, unless you happen to be in one of the countries we're scared of. Somebody's got to pay for all this fun, though, so it might as well be them.
January 21, 2006 4:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
The only real information I gleaned is how badly mis-informed conventional wisdom seems to be. The Author takes several half-baked notions and cobbles them together with some wishfull thinking vis-a-vis our tactical and stratigic position. And then he seasoned it with some Karl Rove propaganda that somehow has wormed its way into the public pysche. It smells like faliure and looks like an attempt to convince oneself that we still control events.
We do in the same way a passenger does when the wing comes off the 747 at 35angels. Sure there might be a parachute stashed somewhere, and sure you might somehow find it while overcoming the centrifigul force of the spinning airplane, but mostly we are just along for the ride.
January 21, 2006 4:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Iranian government believes, as Ahmadinejad put it recently, that "you [the West] need us more than we need you." Do we really want to encourage him in this belief?
The better question to ask ourselves is whether what Ahmadinejad said about us needing them more than they need us is actually true. I think it may be, because he has the power to shake up the oil market. That's the difference between Korea and Iran.
Who suffers most under sanctions? The people, not the leadership.
January 21, 2006 5:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
You make for a Darn Good discussion here, Richard.
One point that does not seem very clear though is how Israel and the neocons will attack Iran in the next three to six months. Is William Kristol in the Air Force Reserve or something?
"Unfortunately, it is very clear that Israel and the neocons in the US intend to launch a military attack on Iran within the next three to six months (timing depending on preparation of the ground in the UN and elsewhere)."
You make a good point here: "The article IS correct that using military force against Iran - either by supporting an Israeli attack or initiating one ourselves - is a REALLY bad idea."
This truly is a good discussion; we should have had one about Iraq.
January 21, 2006 5:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
Dumm, Dumm, Dumm. The sound of drums in the Mines of Moria in the Lord of the Rings. But the orcs are on the far side of the flames! Then the orcs part and . . . an enormous, evil Balrog is come! Durin's Bane! That which the dwarves had disturbed when they delved too deep for mithril, and which had destroyed them. Even Arathorn and Boromir are terror-stricken, but Gandalf the Wizard stands his ground on the bridge at Kaza-Dum. The Balrog jumps onto the bridge and swings his huge flaming sword. Gandalf counters with the white light of Glamdring, and lo! The Balrog's sword is shattered. But the Balrog, flaming, advances. Gandalf utters a Word of Command and strikes the stone of the narrow bridge with his staff. The whole bridge in front of him cracks and begins to drop, with the Balrog upon it. Just as it appears that Gandalf has triumphed against the evil thing sent by Sauron, the Balrog's tail wraps around him and drags him into the abyss! As he falls, he shrieks to the Company, "Fly, you fools! Then he is gone.
January 21, 2006 6:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is my view that the only position that has the moral power to effect control of would-be nuclear arms developers is to strengthen international control and disarmament; that means the US must from a position of strength give up some of its power. Either we give up the semi-monopoly of nuclear arms; or we risk nations we don't like (it HAS happened before with Russia and China) getting nuclear weapons; or we go to war. Only the latter alternative seems to me to involve unacceptable risks.
I just want to say how impressed I was that so many of the replies to Daalder and Gordon were so cogent and well-thought out. I learned a greatdeal. As for the original post, I cannot think of a more appropriate place for it to appear than in what is now a thoroughly discredited rag, the Washington Post.
January 21, 2006 8:33 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Israelis have shown in the past that they do not respond well to pressure from either the US or Europe. You have some good ideas for how Europe and the US but take Israel off the table; nothing is going to happen there.
January 21, 2006 8:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Also, none of this is about Israel. The Arabs have a major Israel issue, since the Israelis have defeated them four times. But Iran has no real honor/shame issues there, not having been involved in those wars. And playing the Israel card did not help Saddam back in '91; I doubt it would help the Mullahs who are also isolated by their religion (Shi'ite) and their ethnicity from most of the rest of the Middle East.
January 21, 2006 8:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
U.S. Still Short in Iran Security Council Push
January 21, 2006 10:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
Seems like ever since WWII when we let the cat out of the bag by developing first atomic and then nuclear weapons we have been trying to put the cat back in the bag. During the cold war the focus was on Russian and American nuclear capabilities but with the end of the cold war nuclear proliferation is popping up everywhere from North Korea to Pakistan. This is all rather like the story of the Dutch boy with his finger in the dyke except in this case there seem to be more holes in the dyke than the Dutch boy has fingers.
The problem of convincing countries not to pursue nuclear weapons is surely not helped by the fact that those powers seeking to contain nuclear weapons don’t want to give them up themselves. Apparently we are more cozy if the people who have them dress and look like us but if it comes to the Mid-East, well then, why those folk are crazy, right? But can we trust the French any more than we can Iran? Maybe we should invade France before it is too late.
Patterns similar to the build-up to war with Iraq are appearing before our eyes, some military experts suggest it would be easy to take out the two main nuclear fuel producing facilities in Iran yet even they admit this would only slow the program down. So here we go again, it would be easy, sound familiar? Remember those open welcoming arms? I think it has been made abundantly clear in Iraq that aerial bombing alone will not ensure a military victory, not even troops on the ground has assured any kind of victory so it goes without saying if we are going to be seduced by “easy” let us not kid ourselves.
A war with Iran would unveil the true and profound folly of President Bush’s Iraq policies. There were no WMD thus we have squandered our military and our resources on a fools errand leaving us in a weakened state and one in which we may have to deal with a real threat though it has yet to be proven that Iran is a threat. Some might say our military is strategically positioned to deal with Iran but if you read the news the impression is that our military is stretched thin and barely holding its own against the insurgency forces in Iraq. It seems much more likely that our forces will continue to be vulnerable to increased attacks that could follow if we bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran.
The fact that we don’t even know the true number and location of Iran’s nuclear facilities speaks volumes about the quality of the intelligence we have on Iran and her nuclear capabilities. Are we about to repeat the same mortal error; are we about to charge into another prolonged war based on poor intelligence? I would not be surprised.
If and when we go to war with Iran what new powers will President Bush be claiming for the executive office? Another consideration is that it might be likely that the same people who were responsible for the glowing success we call Iraq will also be around for a fiasco with Iran.
Sleep well.
January 21, 2006 11:28 PM | Reply | Permalink
Iran is on the table; Israel off the table. Is this part of the problem? hmmm?
January 22, 2006 12:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
Shorn of its posturing about making Iran "pay a price" and "forcing" them to make our preferred choice, this seems to be the crux of Mr. Daalder's proposal:
The credibility of sanctions would be enhanced if it were clear that negotiations could resume -- and punitive actions be suspended -- as soon as Tehran terminates the enrichment activities it recently resumed. The offer to support a civilian nuclear energy program, increase trade and investment -- and even engage in regional security talks and restore diplomatic relations with the United States -- would also remain on the table.
So far as I can tell, then, the bottom line of Mr. Daalder's proposal is that we make a deal with Iran. But he is also suggesting we first engage in a face-saving sanctions charade before making that inevitable deal. While we are inflicting sanctions to make Iran "pay a price" for its uranium enrichment activities, we at the same time make it clear that once those activities have ceased we will give them their civilian nuclear program, begin talks to increase trade and investment in Iran, normalize relations, and engage in regional security talks.
Um...I rather strongly suspect Iran would accept this deal. So why not just make the deal and skip the sanctions? Could it be because the convoluted rituals and codes of official Washington require that, before one backs down from a saber-rattling posture and enters into negotiations with an adversary, one must first act out some elaborate comedy of chivalric manners to create the appearance of strength and manly resolve? Daalder proposes that before we give Iran everything it wants, we must try to make it look like we forced them into it. The problem is that outside the charmed fantasy world of the royal court in Washington, with its powdered legions of viziers and sycophantic retainers, nobody else is taken in by this sort of preening and posturing.
Allegedly the problem we face is a matter of potential Iranian aggression several years down the road:
Moreover, a nuclear-armed Iran would represent a major threat to regional and global security. It could deter the United States and others from responding to Iranian aggression or to Tehran's support for terrorism in the Middle East and beyond.
Oh please Mr. Daalder. Don't you just mean that a nuclear Iran might deter the United States from any of several contemplated US interventions in the region? In other words, isn't the problem from the point of view of Washington's "grand startegists" that the US wants to maintain a free hand for its own aggressions in the region, and a nuclear Iran throws a monkey wrench into all those clever contingency plans?
I remember so well how our most recent intervention in the Middle East was dazzlingly successful in responding to a case of dastardly aggression. Why, when we invaded Iraq, Saddam's regime was fully embarked on its invasion of ... um ... er ... Oh, that's right! Saddam was pinched in on two sides by no-fly zomes and couldn't even invade the northern and southern regions of his own country! Well it's a good thing we softened them up with a decade of sanctions.
As for Iran, lets just make the damned deal and skip the nonsense.
January 22, 2006 12:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
A couple thousand POWs (the most they could possibly hope to take) would hardly serve as "human shields" for an entire campaign of the sort you suggest
Nope. When the German Sixth Army was trapped at Stalingrad the whole damn lot of them were captured, and fewer than 5000 of the POWs survived the war. I don't see Iraq as being much different. When Matt Yglesias in another posting says the US army is pinned down, that's exactly what it is.
January 22, 2006 4:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's amazing how the actions of President Ahmadinejad dovetail nicely with the needs of the Neocon "Attack Iran" chorus. If I didn't know better, I'd think that Ahmadinejad had been put there by the Americans to make Iran look bad.
Nah, I can't imagine the CIA or anyone like that getting directly involved in Iranian politics.
January 22, 2006 4:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
One thing keeps striking me about the Iran problem: the wingnut spin keeps getting out the message that our courage offers the only chance to deal with Iran in the face of Europe's craven sellout les it lose oil. As I.D. makes clear, not only is the Bush administration at least as compromising, if not rather more so than Europe, but the ones needed to make his approach work are Russia and China.
So in wingnut land, which rules America and its media, Europe became our enemy, while Russia and China became above criticism. While I should hate to return to the Cold War, the irony continues to amaze me.
January 22, 2006 7:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
Ivo
Given that the "do nothing" its alright view common here but unacceptable for most the country and probably the world two questions:
If we have sanctions against Iran are you assuming Iran will not use their oil against the West? If they do use their oil against the West do you presume they need the money more than China and Europe need their oil?
What ability do we have to use covert means to support the anti-Mullah factions with Iran? Thus allowing a more ration government in Iran to have access to the nuclear weapons.
I am glad you were in government more than many of us here.
January 22, 2006 5:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
How studious.
How measured
How far above the fray
How out of touch with reality
How utterly complacent
Well Ivo the calendar reads 1/22/06, and what have you delivered?
Confusion, conflation, complacent OpEd
Give me a break
Iran Brandishes New Weapon
Bushie/Ivo you're each doin a heck of a job
January 22, 2006 7:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
We seem to be seeing the same scenario. LV. Except in one respect: I think America, not just those other countries, is suffering badly, badly. It just hasn't noticed yet. Almost, but not quite yet.
January 22, 2006 8:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
And they tell us sanctions can work.
Well maybe they're right, these "experts".
America better hope they aren't
January 23, 2006 12:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think you folks are a little misdirected in your analysis. Iran can only, at this point, look north, west and east and see America has literally taken over the region; regardless of what it would have do or was doing in from a position relatively free of molestation, now it can only rationally conclude that it is faced with a very near existential threat. Thus, they announce their deterrent, and sit back and watch the West cannablize itself - a very reliable expectation. This will provide them time. They also close an extraordinary energy deal with China - which has also been busily conducting joint-military operations with Russia - which has been providing Iran with its Bushehr and Natanz reactor expertise and equipment. Iran knows it can count on Russian and Chinese vetoes at the United Nations. If I may be so bold, it is my opinion that Russia helped Iraq remove his existing WMD from Iraq (probably to Belarus). I realize that is an exotic opinion, but my point is that these powers are militarily weak and they know it, but they are politically strong, and they know that too. They misunderstand US power; my Russian friends were giddy with the prospect of Lebanonization - and I mean real Lebanonization, not L-lite - and were convinced the US would lose the war.
January 23, 2006 12:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
On top of all this, they are a revolutionary regime, and the nature of that revolution is Islamic. Islam is a total way of life. Although the dominant trend within Shi'a Islam strongly repudiates the notion that the Caliph is political master to the extent advocated by Sunnis, the Islamic Revolution in Iran clearly does not abide by that sentiment. While the extent to which we can credit Ahmedinejad's eschatological utterances as a genuine basis for Iranian policy, is it really wise to presume that he and the mullahs do not basically hope to extend the Iranian revolution as far as possible within the Islamic world? If you were the president Iran and held that view, wouldn't it be reasonable for you to conclude that Iran is the prime power in the region and the only one "uncorrupted" by money from or relationship with the US (excluding Syria, an Iranian satellite)? And that from such a position, and Western politics being what they are, it would possible to evict the US under a strategy of steady attrition until the Vietnam party retakes the White House and pulls back to a Murtha-style perimeter - but at which point the eviction will be de facto complete, the withdrawal itself confirmation of the regime's basic beliefs about US/Western political realities?
And under such a set of inferences, wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that having a nuclear weapon would only speed the process along, in Iran's favor?
And let's say, as is favored on this board, that the US does withdraw, does cease to menace Iran, does relegate its efforts to diplomatic circles and blandishments, does abandon itself to the bad faith of Russia and China and Iran itself, does submit itself to a process which focuses almost exclusively on US policy and not on the realities of the other actors involved - that is, let's say Iran gets a bomb and the US pulls out. If you were the king of saudi arabia, Iran's ideological opponent, wouldn't you want to acquire a nuclear capability, if only for deterence? If you were Iran, wouldn't you intensify the operations of your proxy groups, especially in Iraq? After all, the US is clearly threatening by its political activities even if it didn't have any intention of military intervention in Iran itself.
Under the calculus that any disruption of oil prices benefits Iran, wouldn't you cause trouble for the House of Saud by fomenting trouble in the northern Sauid oil fields, sitting in the midst of SA's only substantial Shia population?
And if you were the US president - say John Kerry or Howard Dean, but in any case responsible for securing not only US security but also a long-sustained and widely beneficial global order - what would you do?
January 23, 2006 2:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
China and Russia possess nuclear technology and expertise that Iran wants; they also have stockpiles of enriched uranium inventory and experience with nuclear fuel reprocessing.
It is unwise to proceed with sanctions against Iran without the full support of China, Russia and India.
January 23, 2006 7:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
The majority of the contributors on this site are not clear thinkers and obviously blinkered by ideology. All this talk about confronting Iran simply being a neo-con plot just shows their naivety.
This article appeared on antiwar.com:
titled “The Democrats and Iran:
Look Who's Backing Bush's Next War, By Joshua Frank.
(http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jfrank.php?articleid=4521)
Rather than talk conspiracy all day, try to find out why significant portions of both sides of Congress, as well as the following countries (*see below), who voted in favour of reporting Iran to the UN Security Council, fear a nuclear Iran. And why, according to a BBC world-wide poll only last week, Iran is the most negatively-viewed country in the world.
You might learn something.
* Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Ecuador, France, Germany, Ghana, Hungary, India, Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Netherlands, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Singapore, Slovenia, Sweden, UK, US.
Note: only 1 country voted against: Venezuela.
That might say more about Venezuela and Iran than is says about the others.
China and Russia abstained. However, they are also not in favour of Iran going nuclear, but favour a "diplomatic solution" (whatever that means). But they are not overly concerned with, say, Israel having nukes. Why?
Time for a lot of people to grow up and try to see beyond ideology.
April 18, 2006 5:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
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December 24, 2006 12:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with "weasel" and the general liberal consensus that we should not go to war with Iran (at least for the time being). Our Administrations' stated reason for going to war with Iran is that Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is vehemently anti-US and can support his anti-US views with a military strike against the U.S. and/or Israel, therefore posing a credible threat to that needs to be dealt with. The Administration concludes that we have to stop the threat by launching our own preemptive military strike. This is a terrible idea supported by flawed logic. Yes, Ahmadinejad hates the US. Yes, he is an Islamist. Yes, he opposes Israel's right to exist. Nonetheless, he currently cannot do anything about it- yet, if we do invade, the political tide will likely turn and Ahmadinejad will then be able to do something about it. He's all talk- at least for now. Anyone who at least knows anything about Iran's internal political landscape knows this. I will attempt to explain:
The Iranian President is just a figurehead in Iran with no real authority. As President, Ahmadinejad cannot appoint his cabinet, he cannot appoint military or judicial leaders and most importantly, he is not even the Commander-in-Chief of Iran's military (that constitutional authority lies with Iran's Supreme Leader). Iranian President Ahmadinejad is increasingly under criticism from the Iranian Majlis, Iran's parliament. Ahmadinejad is steadily becoming marginalized by Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, who is in turn supervised by the Iranian Mujtahids (council of 86 Islamic legal experts), who are also critical of Ahmadinejad. Growing numbers of the rest of the Marjas (Grand Ayatollahs) of Iran are marginalizing Ahmadinejad. Parviz Davoodi, First Vice President to Ahmadinejad, also strongly disagrees with Ahmadinejad on some very big issues (there are 10 Vice Presidents in total). More and more Iranian citizens are becoming disenchanted with Ahmadinejad. Ali Larijani, the chairman of Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC), is progressively alienated by Ahmadinejad and shares Khamnei's reservations of Ahmadinejad's policies, especially his confrontational anti-US rhetoric on foreign policy (mind you that criticism of Ahmadinejad ranges from democratic reformers and dissidents within the majority of Iranian civil society to theocratic traditionalists among Iran's clerics). This mounting criticism will probably dissipate if the US invades Iran, and the rising resentment towards Ahmadinejad will probably be redirected towards the US and a lengthy retaliation against the US will likely stem from a revitalized, consolidated coalition among Ahmadinejad, the Iranian Majlis, the Majras, the Mujtahids and Iranian civil society. They will likely put aside their differences and unite against any US invasion force, probably solidifying and even intensifying Iranian support for Ahmadinejad's anti-US rhetoric. If we invade Iran, any hopes Iranian society has for democracy will likely be replaced with hatred and contempt for the US presence there. If we invade Iran, we can say goodbye to any hopes for a stable Iranian democracy for (at least) another decade, which in turn will further destabilize the already imperiled Middle East and upset the chances of peace in the region.
If we invade Iran, we will be hurting its chance at stability and democracy. We will also be giving the Iranians every reason to rally around Ahmadinejad and consolidate his anti-US rhetoric into actual policy. Specifically, we might cause the Supreme Leader to transfer his Commander-In-Chief responsibilities to Ahmadinejad, giving him the reigns of Iran's military and thereby adding military strength to his anti-U.S and anti-Israel rhetoric. Iran's military is significantly larger than Iraq's, more experienced and better equipped for a war. Plus, there's a real chance that Hizballah might come in to help their sponsors, brining in their extra firepower- in effect reinforcing Iran's already powerful military. Our military is already stretched thin in the Middle East, currently in Iraq and Afghanistan and our generals and the NeoCons (notably Richard Perle and Francis Fukuyama) are already saying Iraq is a losing battle. In short, we will be making a disastrous mistake if we invade Iran. Considering Iran's vastly superior military and intelligence capabilities compared to Iraq's, we will be there longer than we're spending in Iraq.
Alas, our President recently authorized the use of force against Iranian scientists in Iraq. So in the end, Bush might not have given the American public a choice. This pessimistic view is further cemented by foriegn policy experts who say Bush and his cronies are trying to provoke Iran into a war (notably, Zbigniew Brzezinski holds this view). In effect, he'd be sending more of our men, women and our nation's children to die for a plan he should by now know will fail and that he will be recklessly adding more blood to the bloodbath that he helped create.
February 1, 2007 4:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree with "weasel" and the general liberal consensus that we should not go to war with Iran. Our Administrations' stated reason for going to war with Iran is that Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is vehemently anti-US and can support his anti-US views with a military strike against the U.S. and/or Israel, therefore posing a credible threat to us that needs to be dealt with. The Administration concludes that we have to stop the threat by launching our own preemptive military strike. This is a terrible idea supported by flawed logic. Yes, Ahmadinejad hates the US. Yes, he is an Islamist. Yes, he opposes Israel's right to exist. Nonetheless, he currently cannot do anything about it- yet, if we do invade, the political tide will likely turn and Ahmadinejad will then be able to do something about it. He's all talk- at least for now. Anyone who at least knows anything about Iran's internal political landscape knows this. I will attempt to explain:
The Iranian President is just a figurehead in Iran with no real authority. As President, Ahmadinejad cannot appoint his cabinet, he cannot appoint military or judicial leaders and most importantly, he is not even the Commander-in-Chief of Iran's military (that constitutional authority lies with Iran's Supreme Leader). Iranian President Ahmadinejad is increasingly under criticism from the Iranian Majlis, Iran's parliament. Ahmadinejad is steadily becoming marginalized by Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of Iran, who is in turn supervised by the Iranian Mujtahids (council of 86 Islamic legal experts), who are also critical of Ahmadinejad. Growing numbers of the rest of the Marjas (Grand Ayatollahs) of Iran are marginalizing Ahmadinejad. Parviz Davoodi, First Vice President to Ahmadinejad, also strongly disagrees with Ahmadinejad on some very big issues (there are 10 Vice Presidents in total). More and more Iranian citizens are becoming disenchanted with Ahmadinejad. Ali Larijani, the chairman of Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC), is progressively alienated by Ahmadinejad and shares Khamnei's reservations of Ahmadinejad's policies, especially his confrontational anti-US rhetoric on foreign policy (mind you that criticism of Ahmadinejad ranges from democratic reformers and dissidents within the majority of Iranian civil society to theocratic traditionalists among Iran's clerics). This mounting criticism will probably dissipate if the US invades Iran, and the rising resentment towards Ahmadinejad will probably be redirected towards the US and a lengthy retaliation against the US will likely stem from a revitalized, consolidated coalition among Ahmadinejad, the Iranian Majlis, the Majras, the Mujtahids and Iranian civil society. They will likely put aside their differences and unite against any US invasion force, probably solidifying and even intensifying Iranian support for Ahmadinejad's anti-US rhetoric. If we invade Iran, any hopes Iranian society has for democracy will likely be replaced with hatred and contempt for the US presence there. If we invade Iran, we can say goodbye to any hopes for a stable Iranian democracy for (at least) another decade, which in turn will further destabilize the already imperiled Middle East and upset the chances of peace in the region.
If we invade Iran, we will be hurting its chance at stability and democracy. We will also be giving the Iranians every reason to rally around Ahmadinejad and consolidate his anti-US rhetoric into actual policy. Specifically, we might cause the Supreme Leader to transfer his Commander-In-Chief responsibilities to Ahmadinejad, giving him the reigns of Iran's military and thereby adding military strength to his anti-U.S and anti-Israel rhetoric. Iran's military is significantly larger than Iraq's, more experienced and better equipped for a war. Plus, there's a real chance that Hizballah might come in to help their sponsors, brining in their extra firepower- in effect reinforcing Iran's already powerful military. Our military is already stretched thin in the Middle East, currently in Iraq and Afghanistan and our generals and the NeoCons (notably Richard Perle and Francis Fukuyama) are already saying Iraq is a losing battle. In short, we will be making a disastrous mistake if we invade Iran. Considering Iran's vastly superior military and intelligence capabilities compared to Iraq's, we will be there longer than we're spending in Iraq.
Alas, our President recently authorized the use of force against Iranian scientists in Iraq. So in the end, Bush might not have given the American public a choice. This pessimistic view is further cemented by foriegn policy experts who say Bush and his cronies are trying to provoke Iran into a war (notably, Zbigniew Brzezinski holds this view). In effect, he'd be sending more of our men, women and our nation's children to die for a plan he should by now know will fail and that he will be recklessly adding more blood to the bloodbath that he helped create.
February 1, 2007 4:11 PM | Reply | Permalink
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