On One Level, This Is Pretty Funny
On one level, this is pretty funny: From "washingtonpost.blog - - The Editors Talk About Site Policies, Design and Goals":
washingtonpost.blog - The Editors Talk About Site Policies, Design and Goals
: Posted at 06:32 PM ET, 01/20/2006: Some Comments Returned Some previously posted comments have been returned to post.blog. Specifically, all comments that meet washingtonpost.com's standards for community interaction have been returned to the post "Deborah Howell Responds." For a fuller discussion about why the comments were orginally removed, read the Q&A transcript of the Friday live discussion with Executive Editor Jim Brady. -- Liz Kelly Editor, Interactivity & Opinions....
Posted at 04:22 PM ET, 01/19/2006: Comments Turned Off: As of 4:15 p.m. ET today, we have shut off comments on this blog indefinitely. At its inception, the purpose of this blog was to open a dialogue about this site, the events of the day, the journalism of The Washington Post Company and other related issues. Among the things that we knew would be part of that discussion would be the news and opinion coming from the pages of The Washington Post and washingtonpost.com. We knew a lot of that discussion would be critical in nature. And we were fine with that. Great journalism companies need feedback from readers to stay sharp. But there are things that we said we would not allow, including personal attacks, the use of profanity and hate speech. Because a significant number of folks who have posted in this blog have refused to follow any of those relatively simple rules, we've decided not to allow comments for the time being. It's a shame that it's come to this. Transparency and reasoned debate are crucial parts of the Web culture... Jim Brady Executive Editor, washingtonpost.com
UPDATE, 7 p.m.: As you might expect, we're getting a ton of e-mail on this, and while I can't answer those e-mails individually, I'll address the two main points being made, that 1) we're afraid of being criticized and, 2) that were no personal attacks, profanity or hate speech in any of the comments.... What we're not willing to do is allow the comments area to turn into a place where it's OK to unleash vicious, name-calling attacks on anyone, whether they are Post reporters, public figures or other commenters. And that's exactly what was happening. That leads into the second complaint. The reason that people were not routinely seeing the problematic posts I mentioned were that we were trying to remove them as fast as we could....
Posted at 11:30 AM ET, 01/19/2006: Deborah Howell Responds: I've heard from lots of angry readers about the remark in my column Sunday that lobbyist Jack Abramoff gave money to both parties. A better way to have said it would be that Abramoff "directed" contributions to both parties. Lobbyists, seeking influence in Congress, often advise clients on campaign contributions. While Abramoff, a Republican, gave personal contributions only to Republicans, he directed his Indian tribal clients to make millions of dollars in campaign contributions to members of Congress from both parties. Records from the Federal Elections Commission and the Center for Public Integrity show that Abramoff's Indian clients contributed between 1999 and 2004 to 195 Republicans and 88 Democrats....
On another level, it's quite sad.
A real reporter would know how many of the Indian tribes' relationships with members of congress antedated the arrival on the scene of Jack Abramoff, and would not be talking about "195 Republicans and 88 Democrats" to whom Abramoff had "directed" Indian tribes' contributions but rather about those representatives with no history of concern for or involvement with Indian issues who suddenly began getting money after Abramoff appeared on the scene.
A real reporter would be talking about three different sets of money flows: Abramoff's $130,000 of direct campaign contributions to Republicans, the money given as campaign contributions by Abramoff's clients, and the $80 million or so that was paid to Abramoff and company for access to Republicans leaders--$25,000 for setting up a meeting with George W. Bush, et cetera.
With respect to the third money flow, a real reporter would write that some portion of it (the guesses I am hearing is about a quarter) flowed through to politicians (and overwhelmingly Republican politicians) as "lifestyle enhancements"--luxury vacation trips paid for by Abramoff's credit card, and so forth.
With respect to the second money flow--money donated by Indian tribes that had hired Abramoff--a real reporter would write that some of them were expenditures directed by Abramoff, and some of which were expenditures that the clients would have made in any case. For example, Bloomberg reports that the Saginaw Chippewa gave $279,000 to Democrats over 1997-2000, and $277,000 over 2001-2004, after they had gotten into bed with Abramoff. It is a safe bet that little of those contributions to Democrats were "directed" by Abramoff. The Saginaw Chippewa gave $158,000 to Republicans in 1997-2000, and $500,000 to Republicans in 2001-2004, after they had gotten into bed with Abramoff. It is a safe bet that much of this extra $340,000 of contributions to Republicans were "directed" by Abramoff.
With respect to the first money flow, a real reporter would write that Abramoff was a Republican giving campaign contributions to Republicans and only Republicans.
But these aren't stories you read in the Post every day, are they? To get these stories you have to read something like Bloomberg.
UPDATE: A correspondent points out that when Howell writes:
The Post has copies of lists sent to tribes by Abramoff with specific directions on what members of Congress were to receive specific amounts. One of those lists can be viewed in this online graphic...
The document to which she links appears to "direct" $220,000 of contributions to Republicans, and $4,000 of contributions to Democrats.


Why is this document "editorially torn and battered"? Does washingtonpost.com have a bandwidth problem and just couldn't afford to post the full page?
January 20, 2006 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is obviously very important to the news media to transform this Republican bribery scandal into just another campaign contribution affair, and a bi-partisan one at that. I can't see just why that would be the case, but rarely have I seen news coverage that so obviously was intended to obscure the news being covered. No reporter or newspaper seems to be aware that Abramoff didn't plead guilty to making campaign contributions, but to bribing Republican Congressmen. It isn't even apparent that the majority of us commenting here understands that. Why???
January 20, 2006 8:27 PM | Reply | Permalink
Ms. Howell defends her comments that Abramoff directed his clients to send funds to Democrats and references her assertion by directing the reader to the document Ellen refers to. What a disgrace. What a sorry state of journalism. To paraphrase George Wallace, there may be a dimes' worth of difference between the WashingtonPost and the New York Post but there sure isn't a quarters worth of difference. Any educated person knows the crap that Howell, and Woodward, and john Harris, and Sue Schmidt are serving up has little to do with the news. They are an embarrassment. Another American institution in the toilet.
January 20, 2006 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Why???"
Because bribery puts a few politicos in jail, just where much of the country thinks all politicians -- excepting the one they vote for over and over again -- belong.
If this scandal is to amount to anything we've got to show the electorate that the Repugs weren't elected fairly and once in office, didn't act fairly.
And to do that we have to make "influence peddling" a values issue.
January 20, 2006 8:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
And why does this document that Howell cites "direct" $220K of contributions to Republicvan and only $4K of contributions to Democrats?
January 20, 2006 8:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I arrived in Washington in January, 1974, for a three year stint in the Army. I was 20 years old, already wearing the liberal stripes that I have retained to this day.
I was proud to live in a town where the local newspaper was not afraid of the President of the United States. Katherine Graham, Ben Bradlee and Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein were heroes to me.
When I think of what The Washinton Post has become, it makes me want to puke.
January 20, 2006 10:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most BLOGs and most fora really stink imo. The more they close the better. There fora which doesn't regress to the lowest common denominator is a rare thing.
January 20, 2006 11:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Someone has posted the 42 blog comments the Washington Post didn't want you to see over at Kos.
January 20, 2006 11:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
have to add, haven’t been following this WaPo BLOG story and thought it was just another case of shutting down a vulgar forum. Guess the WaPo fooled me once... shame on them and shame on me.
Now that I’m up to speed... geeze, what a pathetic WaPo coverup. The original errors they made were bad enough, but the cover-up is just lame. Apparently the Wa-Po no longer has any expertise either in cracking or covering up stories.
Wasn't this the Watergate paper? Has the WaPo become as sycophantic and fossilized as Woodward himself?
January 21, 2006 12:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why???
For one thing it's the compulsive equivocation that's drilled into these schmucks as religion.
It's also the corporate news edu-tainment environment where the rule is to titillate everyone but try not to really offend anyone, or at least any potential revenue stream. Too many journalists are more concerned with celebrity, wealth, and access than they are with good journalism. It’s just fluff and churn, and then forget about it when the story is only half done. Woodruff the sycophant being a perfect example.
It’s absolutely amazing how much better British journalism truly is. When their interviewers play hardball, they really mean it. They ask the tough questions that people really want to hear answers to, and they cut through the talking points to get to real issues. They’re not afraid to pursue real stories.
January 21, 2006 12:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
and why is DeLay of all people (who comews straight after Daschle) whited out?
January 21, 2006 2:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Probably wishful thinking on my part, but something truly seminal may be happening here. An uncoordinated but united pushback from the blogosphere at the smug lazy elitist false-equivalence-obsessed DC media. Unfortunately for the media elites, the story is leaking out of the blogosphere and onto news channels, and presumably a great many people who don't read blogs are logging on to to check out what it's about. The horse is out of the barn.
Unfortunately I have no confidence that the newspaper media can clean up their act before they get flushed down the toilet of history. I've already given up on US TV "news", it died a long time ago. I'd like to give the journalists the benefit of the doubt and blame the publishers and editors for valuing administration approval over accurate reporting. But the Howell mess shows that the rot goes all the way down to the bottom.
I assume everyone remembers the conclusion of "Three Days of the Condor." The fact that the NYT sat on the NSA story for a year shows that journalism has now failed in its constitutional duties as an institution. The next time someone wants to leak a story about illegal government activities, who will they go to? My prediction: They'll go to foreign media (Guardian, Independent, Globe & Mail)....and the story will not be reported in the US. Don't believe me? Who in the US covered US bugging of UN diplomats in the run-up to the Iraq invasion (as reported in the Guardian)?
January 21, 2006 5:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I were to pay 25k for access to the president, I would insist on no less than a dozen meetings given the president's established memory deficits. My God, the prez met Abramoff a number of times and partied with him but even with all that contact the prez says he only has a vague knowledge of who Abramoff is.
January 21, 2006 6:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
Word is that prosecutors have access to photos of Abramoff and Bush in the Oval Office. During one of their meetings, Bush remarked on the fact that both of them had twins.
January 21, 2006 6:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I went into the military a pretty unsophisticated Southern country boy of seventeen (although I already loved history), and it was there and then I grew up in every way, including politically. Part of it was learning from both the lifers and the draftees (I enlisted so I could get the GI Bill to go to college) about what was really going on in Vietnam. But the other part was being right there at the epicenter of one of the greatest revolutions in American political history. I could literally see the Watergate building from my barracks at the old south post, and I was there for every single day of the incredibly exciting Washington Post coverage of the Watergate scandal.
Adding to my feeling of being a particpant in what was going on and not just an observer, as part of an OJT program for departing servicemen, I spent the spring of 1974 answering phones and playing commercials for a talk radio station in Laurel, Maryland. It served the D.C.-Baltimore metro area, and it was EXCITING to be right there where it was all happening. Every day it was something new, and everyone (well, except those who wouldn't give up on Nixon, like say, Trent Lott to this very day) wanted to know the truth. Having both defenders and opponents of calling in, not to mention the kinds of discussions that raged on base, was bracing!
And now we have a MSM epitimized by Chris "Maybe its the President's job to break the law" Matthews and Wolf "Gee aren't Democrats unfair to prejude Alito" Blitzer and the list goes on and on. Bush has publically admitted to breaking the law and vowed to keep doing it. Alberto "Torture R US" Gonzalez says Bush can do anything he wants any time for any reason and no one can question him in any way shape or form about it. Where's the question here?
You're right. To quote that great scene from Two Towers, how did it come to this?
January 21, 2006 6:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hugh Hewitt's interview with Jim Brady is particularly instructive. There can be no doubt that some of the "directed" reporting in the run up to the war, the editorial assault on Dan Froomkin's online column, Woodward's supposedly unknown connection to the Plame affair, and the particularly biased and as yet unsubstantiated reporting on Abramoff add up to a very deliberate lurch by the Post to join the more lucrative positioning of the New York Post, Fox news and the rest of the Cable Propaganda Network.
January 21, 2006 7:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
This document is more proof that Abramoff was directing funds away from Democrats.
January 21, 2006 7:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
I saw that. The same story with Delay.
January 21, 2006 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Hugh Hewitt's interview with Jim Brady is particularly instructive. There can be no doubt that some of the "directed" reporting in the run up to the war, the
January 21, 2006 1:47 PM | Reply | Permalink
one of the original comments deleted from the post blog (and saved elsewhere...you can read it here on this dkos diary: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/21/11010/7038) states that the federal election commission records indicate that
January 21, 2006 6:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's not bloggers. It's just ordinary freakin' people like me who follow the news who can very clearly see that they're tamping this story down who are calling them on it. I emailed her. Twice now. I posted a comment.
The firestorm came from readers--the people she purports to represent.
They are living in a different world. Folks like Howell and Harris just don't want to accept that. They can shut off their comments, but they can't silence their readers. They are no longer the gatekeepers. The quicker they realize that, the better for all of us.
January 22, 2006 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
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