now that we're all comfortable with the fact that we're not torturing anybody, take a moment to go read some of the latest report issued by amnesty international chronicling torture and horrific detainee abuse by u.s. personnel in afghanistan and guantanamo... it's chilling and dates only from this past july... evidently, the torture has never stopped...

And, yes, I DO take it personally 

Do you have a reason for WHY the "liberal media" wants to lose the war? At home, or anywhere esle? How about labeling the war as a "losing proposition?" Now, that is something that is actually TRUE!

Perhaps it would be better if the news was comprised solely of Bush 'Mission Accomplished', 'Strategy for Victory' photo ops, and all journalists were either on the Republican administration's payroll, gay prostitutes like Jeff Gannon with influential friends in the White House, big fat drug addicts blowing hot air over talk radio while thinking of where they will get their next fix, or close friends of God like Pat Robertson.

That would make all those pesky questions about torture and what noble cause 2,200 Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqi's have died for just go away.

Of course we don't torture.  We merely use physical coercion that does not constitute torture.  Waterboarding, extreme temperatures, exposure to the elements, etc., is really only "mild physical coercion."

 Irrespective of what you call it, the real problem is not what you call it, but the fact that torture as an interrogation technique doesn't work.

Another real problem is that we lose our moral values when we tolerate this type of thing, not to mention that we risk exposing our captured people to the same type of treatment as retaliation.

'THE VICE PRESIDENT: Right. Right, well, the -- there's been a debate obviously as to the McCain Amendment that was adopted in the Defense Appropriations Bill. But the United States does not torture. That's not our policy. It never has been.'

The usual "That's not our policy" reply. There are lots of actions that could be classed as 'not our policy' - it does not mean that is not unofficial policy, of which, there are plenty.

Good to see he's out of hospital; I don't want him doing a Pinochet on us.

Have you lawyer call mine.  Seriously though didn't anyone notice that outside those already opposed to the war in the first place it was when Bush gave his speech calling for money for the war that his polls started to drop again?  It would seem to me that there is a very important less on all policies when deciding whether it is the money or the principle.