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Jon Chait kindly mentions my argument that college athletes should get paid, in the course of saying that they shouldn't get paid after all. His counterargument hinges on two main points, student-athelets work for free voluntarily and the money that consequently accrues to the universities goes to a good cause.

The first point is, I think, clearly unpersuasive. The relevant issue here is that the NCAA is a cartel that acts to prevent college athelets in big money sports from earning what they would be able to command in the absence of the cartel. Yes, given the existence of the cartel, what Division I schools offer players is still good enough to entice them to play. But that's the way it goes with well-run cartels and other efforts by monopolists to subvert the actions of the market. The relevant issue here is the cartel, not any given player's agreement to play.

The other point cuts more weight. Clearly, the exploitation of high-level college football (and to a lesser extent, basketball) players isn't the single most pressing injustice in America today, or even close to it. But I think this argument proves too much. In particular, it suggests that non-profits should have unlimited license to mistreat their workforce on the grounds that it's all "for a good cause." Since I work for a non-profit entity, I clearly have an interest in resisting that kind of thinking.


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  1. What good cause? Sure as heck ain't money for the college; most football programs lose money. The only consistent moneymakers are powerhouses like Notre Dame and Oklahoma. I'll be watching the Rose Bowl, and rooting for the Horns, so don't call me a hater, but as far as I can see, the only thing college football does for the school is create a phony sense of esprit de corps for a place (i.e., a big public university) that would otherwise seem like a faceless credential factory.
  2. If colleges could pay athletes to play, then the number of viable football programs would be even smaller than it is now. Especially if transferring became unrestricted as well. That all-conference freshman at Middle Tennessee would invariably transfer to Tennessee or LSU, especially if there was a paycheck involved. And with those second-tier programs would go  all of the scholarships for people only good enough to play for those schools.
  3. If colleges got out of the football business: minus the sentimental, anachronistic (imo) attachment to universities, you would essentially have minor-league football and there wouldn't be 1/10 the interest that there presently is in NCAA football.
  4. From points 2 and 3 it follows that the number of players who could make a better living at football than the NCAA affords them is considerably tinier than even Chait suspects.
  5. The NFL is rather more of a cartel than the NCAA (which acts in the interests of a bunch of unprofitable second- and third-tier programs), and their rule (basically prohibits the signing of anyone who graduated from HS less than 3 years ago) is as much to blame for what injustice there is as the NCAA.

The “millions of people would love the opportunity to do it” argument is so egregiously flawed I wonder why so many intelligent people lead with it whenever the write about this subject.

The second argument is more interesting, but I don’t buy it. Given the fungibility of money I’m sure there are all sorts of things any given university spends it’s funds on that might not sound quite as altruistic as the womans volleyball team. You could start with the 3 million a year the head coach is getting paid.

The real question is why, of all the various people that generate revenue for a university is it the football players that require a special rule, actually pages and pages of rules, that prevent them from being compensated in relation to the revenue they generate? At this point we’re back to the “Well I wish I could be a college football player… they should consider themselves lucky!” line of thought.

I mentioned this before when you broached the topic, you have to take into account the effect on Title IX.  It would likely have to be repealed (or at least severly limited in application).  I'm not neccessarily against this, but I know quite a few people who would be and think that this should be taken into account when considering the topic.

The "cartel" label is also misused here.  Anyone could start a football league in which individuals (with the possible age limits of 17 0r 18 to 22 or 23, although this would likely raise consitutional questions) could participate.  The fact that no one has started such a successful league is irrelevant.  The NCAA has no monopoly on competitive football for entertainment purposes (witness NFL, Canadian Football League, Arena Football, etc.).  They offer compensation (tuition, room and board, stipend) for services rendered. 

 I would abandon this line of argument. 

By your definition, OPEC isn't a cartel, either.

1. The NCAA needs to start banning coaches who cheat rather than punish players or programs who receive illegal inducements. If they can't follow the rules (as bad as they are) they can more easily find another job in another league.



2. Coaches need to be paid based in largeer part on graduation rates. This would encourage them to become involved more in and work harder to enable the education of their players, which some claim to do but only when it is in their own interest.


3. The system works for a large number of true student athletes in non-revenue sports and DII and DIII and the NAIA. Paying players in the major sports might do more damage to the entire system. (unforseen consequences and all that)

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AUTHOR: lukej
DATE: 01/02/2006 01:21:26 PM

Okay - not sure what happened to my comment above. At any rate:
College athletes DO get paid - they get a scholarship, an opportunity to get a college diploma from a very good school. Almost any college football player that gets a scholarship, and would be "paid" in the traditional sense, could go to a good school and get a degree worth tens of thousands of dollars, if not more. Last time I checked, getting something of value in return for a service is called being paid.
Whenever someone says that college athletes should be paid, they NEVER actually have thought through what that means. They have only noticed that something seems wildly unfair about an industry predicated on a production input with a price fixed by a cartel. 
Who would be benefitted if the price at which college athletes are paid was unfixed? Only those players that are NFL-quality, that could command a high price right out of high school. So, in reality, the argument that college football players should be paid is really just saying that certain NFL-caliber players should be able to increase their lifetime earning capacity by beginning earning in college. Not much of a plus for social justice.
Instead to address the problem with abuse and exploitation of college athletes - and it is a serious, widespread and meaningful problem - the schools have to be compelled to take seriously their commitment to educating ALL their students - including offensive linemen. This doesn't mean they have to raise their entry standards, as schools such as Vandy and Stanford do, but just devote real resources to making sure that every player is practically compelled to earn a real college degree. 

Interesting discussion, but I think it ignores the real question: why do universities engage in entertaining the public - through televising of sports and through providing for ticket purchasers? The answer obviously is that it is a big money earner for the university. If it weren't it wouldn't be done. So, is earning money by providing sports entertainment a good function for public universities to perform? The sole justification I see for it is the job training aspect - it is a place to learn a very well paying job, even if that job is only available to a miniscule percentage of the students in the program. I have been thinking about this for many years, starting from when I attended a small college, and "student" athletes by and large were treated like cattle by the college.

Most of the money brought in by college athletics is indirect (increased contributions by alumni) rather than direct (tickets and licensing). Or at least that's the theory that administrators work on.

I find convincing the arguments both that athletes are paid in the form of a free college education and that the money the schools make, if they do, is, and should be, used elsewhere in the universities.  We should be more concerned about the students who leave without an education or a pro contract.  Certainly, the vast majority even of Division I footballers never get pro contracts.

If one wishes to regard the NCAA/CFA as a minor league for the NFL, then the league is where payment should come from.  But let's remember that most minor leaguers in other sports arenot earning enough to cover tuition, room, board, books, fees, and other expenses at most public colleges anymore, let alone the privates like ND, Stanford, Duke, Northwestern.

But you blogpundits don't fool me.  I see where this is going: Salaries for collegiate journalists!

First, there's something really funny about a typo in the headline on this topic.

The truly exploited kids are the ones who never have a chance of playing professionally, but are told that they do.  I've been told, by people who have been in division 1 football programs that there is compensation, in kind and under the table for the real stars.

The simple solution is to pay them the same hourly wage as the top earners in other student jobs. When I was in school, that was the book binders in the library and the people who worked as bar backs during reunions.  For those who say that the scholarship is compensation enough, it's worth noting that many of these kids would qualify for need-based scholarships anyway--if they were accepted without their athletic qualifications, that is. 

But it is worth noting, on the other side of the argument, that I don't know anybody who seems to feel like they were exploited, from my cousin who carried a clipboard for TCU, to the neighbor who backed up at running back at Michigan to the colleague who started at DB at ASU.  It's a lot of fun playing a sport at an elite level.  Kids walk on.  Kids play without any scholarship.

And, finally, the economics of college sports is complicated.  Football programs pretty clearly cost the schools money.  Top basketball programs probably make money, but that's the only sport where that is true--and coaches rake a lot off the top. 

I've come to believe that the central motiviation for all actions by college presidents is to build the endowment.  Sports create a loyalty to a school that translates into donations. Steven Weisberg, the UTexas physicist, recently commented that when he gave a speech, he  mentioned that 20 years from now there would be more important memories from their college years than whether the Longhorns won last Saturday.  He described the audience's reaction as stunned by such a notion.

I think he was wrong, and from his recounting of that anecdote, I think he knows he was wrong.

The truly outrageous scenario is when an athlete (not a star, obviously) has his or her scholarship yanked in order to offer it to a young recruit.
Here at UW, the new football coach Tyrone Wilingham has told several 5th year seniors that their scholarships will not be renewed.  As a result, at leat one of them will have to drop out of school because he has no other way to pay for it.  This, after playing football for the UW for four years and being promised access to a degree in exchange.
As far as I know, this has never happened at UW before, although it is common at some other schools.  It is really, really unfair and colleges (and coaches) who do this should be ashamed. 

Agreed, abjectfunk. That money ought to be guaranteed.

With that said, I still find Matt's arguments about "the better athelete" to be unconvincing. Its nice to argue theory and fairness, but what about the practical consequences? Bringing money into a game with inarguably immature young adults is mistake in any sport.

     Just a few points from a former college athlete from a second-tier division I school who ran track and played soccer - meaning, because of my athletic affiliation, I would never make money for the same amount of hard work, sweat and dedication as another spotlight player.  Bare this in mind if my points seem bitter.

     1. Money has ruined professional sports.

     2. Offering money to athletes would challenge the non-profit status of a University.  If the athletes would be considered employees of the University, the work that these athletes did would have to promote the mission of the University - training, education and research.  It is this mission which protects its non-profit standing.  Sports at schools are a form of entertainment and have nothing to do with research, training or education.  I think every athlete or coach would agree - even though most athletes don't participate for these reasons.  Student-athletes see their participation in sports as an addendum to their education.  You might argue that the University's role is also to inspire it's populace - and that athletes can be inspirational as well, but this would be a stretch.

     3. Money has ruined professional sports.

     4. If you pay athletes, you would also have to pay other students based on their participation in activities that bring money or fame to the University.  i.e. Paying students who participate in studies and trials for inventions that become proprietary money makers for the University.  Paying students for developing ideas and doing research for  publications which are done in the name of the University.  I got nothing more than a reference for the work done for a few of my advisor's publications.  Paying students who promote the name and reputation of the University (which is one role of the athlete) to attract students, research or endowment monies. etc. etc.  I think students and athletes view their promotional involvement for their school as a perk and part of their professional development.  Doing something only in the name of pride is not a bad thing.

     5. Money has ruined professional sports.

     6. We can't forget that these are STUDENT-athletes.  They aren't there to become professional athletes, they are there to become professionals.  The interest of the University is to produce future leaders.  As much as the sports machines in todays Universities fail in promoting this cause, and we all know the embarrassing numbers in most of the top programs, adding money as an incentive to become a great athlete will further deminish the incentive to become an educated student.  If one of the arguments to pay athletes is that, the ban of University pay-for-play places limits on an otherwise potential wage for participating in sports, than we need to reassess whether sports should be allowed on campus at all.  If the academic restrictions are in the way of the athletic wage potential : then the athletic potential is in the way of academic advancement.

     7. Money has ruined professional sports.

     8. The NCAA is not a cartel.  Cartels use their powers to exploit those outside of their groups and squelch competition.  The NCAA has entrance rights with accredidation and its main purpose is to promote fair competition and the athlete's promotion to graduation.  Exploitation of those under or within the cartel is not a neccessary or identifiable function of a cartel.  If a worker [athlete] is mistreated, it is a separate issue and nonindicative of a cartel.  The NCAA might be called a compassionate but ineffective oligarchy, but not a cartell.

     9.  And Yes, ........

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