An Idea for the Gifted
Here's a useful-sounding suggestion up at Eduwonk from Emily and Bryan Hassel about how to deal with the "gifted students" situation without undermining equity goals.
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Here's a useful-sounding suggestion up at Eduwonk from Emily and Bryan Hassel about how to deal with the "gifted students" situation without undermining equity goals.
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Wow! A lot of excitement here.
My suggestion is that all 16 year olds be given free tuition to any state college they can qualify for. In some cases thay might take tech courses, and that would be OK. In others they'd take HS classes in college, which happens anyway a lot. In the best cases they'd just be college freshmen.
December 29, 2005 4:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
- I don't see the advantage of having kids finish school straight through to the BA two years faster rather than learning more.
- It may be true that even in many of the best state schools there are a sizeable number of remedial courses (when I was in grad school in the UC system, 70% of freshmen were held for a remedial writing course), but that's an argument for bolstering the high schools, not lowering the college bar.
- If they can place well at a flagship state U (and their parents are willing to send them there at age 16--the social issues facing 16 year olds in college is a whole other issue), that's OK, but what's the benefit for students of getting into a second- or third-rate state school instead of being developed for two years in a high school that does its job well and helps them go on to a better school?
As for the whole free tuition thing, how are you ever going to get the states to commit to free tuition for four years for 16 year-olds when legislatures nation-wide have been cutting funding for decades? (We've gone from State-funded to State-assisted, to State-located!)December 30, 2005 12:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
I suggest it as an option, not a requirement. A lot of 16 year olds are ready for college-level work, and very, very few high schools provide that. (There's an adapter for foreign-language study -- 4 years of HS FL = one year of college FL).
A 16 year old who's already motivated will almost always learn more in college than in HS. A sharp student will take real college classes, and a less-sharp student will finish up his HS work.
What's the benefit for students of getting into a second- or third-rate state school instead of being developed for two years in a high school that does its job well and helps them go on to a better school?
except for the very best HSs, their classes are not as good as average college classes. As for top schools, Harvard might tend to favor an 18-y-o just out of HS over one with 2 years in at the U of Minnesota, or they might not. Especially if the UM student really worked hard, took tough classes, and did well.
Financially, in states where the state pays both for HS ed and college ed, there's just a funds transfer.
The high school experience itself is highly negative for a very high proportion of kids. College is really a much healthier environment with a much less destructive social scene. I think you have the social issues facing 16 year olds diametrically wrong.
For a lot of kids, this would make college possible where it hadn't been before. Free college tuition is available nowehere.
December 30, 2005 6:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
It may be illiberal of me but I favor tracking, and at least some states already let seniors take college classes.
December 30, 2005 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
Morris is a destination school, so let it be Bemidji.
As I've said, this is an option. And one of my premises is that the HS environment is toxic for many students. Furthermore, bringing all schools up to the level of the best schools isn't going to happen. What I've suggested might not be good for fast-track kids in fast-track schools, but they don't need to choose the option, and they are a small minority.
The money not spent on HS ed. could be used to offset part of the cost of college ed., *in addition* to the subsidy already given to the college. It wouldn't have to pay the whole cost of college.
An even more controversial part of my plan would be letting kids go to tech schools. A lot of kids resist HS education when they have the opportunity, and then are out in the cold at age 20 or 22, whenever, when they finally decide to get serious, because they can't afford college then and it isn't free. Some of thise kids might actually be able to get motibvated for a tech program which actually has practical value.
December 30, 2005 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
different suggestion entirely. if people in this blog community are progressive, maybe we shouldn't accept the argument that a child is a bit of raw material to be shaped as efficiently as possible into a machine for exploitation by businessmen.
i noticed an interesting comment on that link, implying that it's important to remember the 20% of "gifted" students who are from blue collar backgrounds. and that accordingly, we should develop measures to encourage them to refine and expand their skills and knowledge and all, by creating more efficient methods of evaluation and placement.
to me this says "let's ignore whats really going on, churning out technocrats to manage a corrupt social order, and instead use the 20% of working class kids as an excuse to keep churning smart kids through more hoops faster, so that their minds can be more easily molded for efficient placement in a corporate economy none of them really believe in anymore."
and i say this having been one of those working class kids in gifted programs, with working class friends also in it, surrounded by lawyers' and doctors' kids.
i am concerned with that 20%, and we can do better than just inserting them into the performance based values of professionalism.
why not take those kids and give them real opportunity to use their brainpower for good, like have them work in community programs or learn to be union organizers.
it's far more insidious to bring kids like that into programs culturally dominated by the children of affluence and the values of professional training, because it teaches them that uplift and accomplishment happens through individualism and personal effort. instead, as progressives, we should encourage a little solidarity in these kids rather than shuffling them off to college ASAP.
if they're bored at school, have a program to allow the kids to do independent studies for credit. very easy, a few staff additions to support it would be required, and that's about it. balance off the opportunity for independent study with real civic engagement and you'll produce strong-minded, principled kids ready to change the world.
that should be the progressive demand, not this kowtowing to the business lobby.
December 30, 2005 12:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is already a mechanism in place to allow gifted students to advance faster - the community college system. Those colleges are located in most cities, where young students could continue to live at home, as most 16 year olds should, while attending college classes. I would like to see high school students have the option of attending community college for half a day and regular high school the rest of the day. In fact, I think this is now being done in some schools.
December 30, 2005 2:17 PM | Reply | Permalink
My oldest child went off to college while she was still 13. Graduated Phi Beta Kappa at 17 from Mary Baldwin's PEG. (NOT cheap!!!) My youngest used the Minnesota early college option to get a head start on her college during high school (cost was books only, and some of that subsidized).
If all children were guaranteed as much free education as they could finish successfully before they turned 18 1/2, there would be real (financial) incentive for poor kids to WORK in public school. It would give their parents lots of reason to encourage the kids to do homework, too! No, it wouldn't fix things for all poor kids. But it would really knock holes in the excuse "why try?"!!
December 30, 2005 9:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
So apparently Minnesota already has something like this plan. I just moved back here, and I didn't know that.
December 31, 2005 3:32 AM | Reply | Permalink