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The President clarified at this morning's press conference that his authorization for evading the FISA procedure with regard to domestic spying was the congressional use of force resolution passed on September 15, 2001. You can find the resolution here, it says:

(a) That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-
(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.

Apparently, the administration view is that those two paragraphs rendered some vast and unspecified number of other laws null and void, a line of reasoning I doubt accords with "original understanding," "strict constructionism" is whatever other legal slogans the right seems enamored of.


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Alito is going to have fun addressing these questions in January.

Wouldn't any originalist or strict constructionist worth his/her intellectual salt condemn this war from the outset as lacking a Congressional war declaration?  Isn't a War Powers Resolution an affront to the Constitution (strickly construed) in and of itself?

Matt:


Your problem is obvious-- you're still part of the "reality-based community." You "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality."


It's like the man said:


""That's not the way the world really works anymore,"... "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

It's completely absurd legal reasoning. Apparently, we're now under some kind of semi-permanent state of martial law. Who knew that's what Congress was authorizing back in 2001.  


The guy's gone over the brink. He's a criminal and a tyrant. Impeach him.

Apparently, the administration view is that those two paragraphs rendered some vast and unspecified number of other laws null and void, a line of reasoning I doubt accords with "original understanding," "strict constructionism" is whatever other legal slogans the right seems enamored of.

If I thought of Bush as a right-winger, rather than as a neocon leftist, I would feel very betrayed.

And another thing . . . Rice saying that it's okay to ignore the FISA law because everything is different since 9/11 is reprehensible. 9/11 didn't cancel the constitution, nor did it remove laws from the book.


The terrorists may hate our freedoms, but it's the Bush administration that is taking them away. Impeach all of 'em.

Evidently the authority to wiretap American citizens without a warrant resides in a mysterious "penumbra" created by the Afghanistan war resolution and Article II of the Constitution.  Meanwhile, the entire Heritage Foundation is suffering from sprained ankles as a result of attempting to perform unprecedented feats of logical gymnastics.


But here's what I really want to know:


So the NSA is intercepting phone calls in the United States, but they are somehow only intercepting international calls?


Does anyone here have the technical knowledge to explain exactly how such a thing is possible?  It certainly strains credulity to suppose that the NSA is politely ignoring all the domestic calls from the phone lines of targeted suspects, if the surveillance technique involves an actual wiretap.

How can "appropriate" include ignoring the law on wiretaps?

On intercepts:  there are not that many ways to get phone conversations across the ocean.  Those cables, microwave links, etc., can all be intercepted.

To me, it seems likely that the reason the administration ignored FISA is that the fishing expedition/intercepts were so broad that no judge in their right mind would authorize them.  How about:  intercept all calls originating in Dearborn, because we know there are a lot of Muslims in Dearborn.  Technically feasible, certainly unlawful, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Ezra's post nails it:

http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2005/12/index.html#008673

Atrios:

 We don't know who the president was spying on. No matter what it was against the law, but even if you're so frightened by monsters under your bed that you think a little dictatorship is necessary at this time the administration has not given a satisfactory explanation about why this is necessary. FISA warrants can be obtained, retroactively, up to 72 hours after the fact.

Will the press demand an explanation? Or will they just buy this bullshit. It's fucking incredible.

The problem of course is that real honest conservatism has never been tried.  But one day...

The congressional approval argument is a red herring.  Just like the debate over what "torture" is.


The President believes he has the "constitutional authority" to violate federal laws and international treaties.  Thus, congressional approval or wordplay with the definition of "torture" matters not a whit.  If the President's assessment is correct, he is free to torture foreigners and piss all over FISA all he wants.


Attorney General Gonsalez explains it better than GW (my italics):

"There were many people, many lawyers, within the administration who advised the president that he had inherent authority as commander in chief under the Constitution to engage in this kind of signals intelligence of our enemy."


The White House throws out arguments like this to occupy the media and give Congressional Republicans something to cover themselves with (again, Gonsalez):

"We also believe that the authorization to use force which was passed by the Congress in the days following the attacks of September 11th constituted additional authorization for the president to engage in this kind of" electronic surveillance."


Gonsalez knows this is pure BS, just like Matt points out.  But who are we kidding?  He's saying it for political, not legal, purposes.  The media is too frightened to examine the real question: whether or not the President has the powers of a monarch during wartime.

Hopefully it will be the Democrats who will have fun. They get to ask the question. It doesn't even matter what the answer is, it will help the cause of anyone who supports a Nation of Laws. Here's why:

If Alito answers the question it will inspire debate, and will legitimize debate.

If he declines to answer because the matter may come before the Court he legitimizes the debate even more thoroughly. It implies that he believes that there is a constitutional question here that will likely reach the Supreme Court.

I would call this impeachable, since it cannot be mantained that circumventing FISA procedure was necessary. It does not meet the test of the Resolution.

Since it is known that theorists involved with this administration, and members such as Cheney, have written and talked about needing to "restore" Presidential power, it is understood as a turf-grab. It hopes to establish, by precedent, increased scope for Presidential action. This amounts to changing the President's job description.

Redefining the job violates the Oath of Office, which requires the President to "faithfully execute the Office" and "defend the Constitution". How does testing the Constitution by active disregard for legal prodedure satisfy either task?

It is appropriate for citizens to test legality. By contrast it is the job of all government employees to uphold all laws, period. It is not in their job description to force a clash between laws. It would have been appropriate for the President to take his case to Congress and ask for increased power. It is not for him to do it by fiat.

Via Billmon:

Citizens of the U.S.S.R. are guaranteed inviolability of the person. No person may be placed under arrest except by decision of a court or with the sanction of a procurator.


The inviolability of the homes of citizens and privacy of correspondence are protected by law.


Constitution of the USSR

December 1936

Congress needs to repeal that f*cking piece of crap law. How many corrupt, soul-destroying policies have been based on it? Torture, lawless prison camps, spying on citizens and peace activists, detention of citizens without charges and without trials, the list goes on and on. And no, the Democrats don't get to laugh either. They voted for it too, lest they appear weak as we shuffle gently into totalitarianism. But they, and any moderate Republicans who are left, can still change course.

Re: Lacking a Congressional war declaration:--------------
The completion of the Senate Intelligence Report will be a better guide to evaluate what is and what is not an affront to the Constitution. 
Before & during the Iraq intervention, Representative Ron Paul (TX) explored this issue, contending that a more focused debate in Congress was constitutionally mandated. But I think that a pre-intervention debate would have, predictably, reinforced the majority position that Saddam was a menace to the region, which in turn, would have provided even more elaborated Congressional rationales for regime change. 
All this is an exercise in hindsight, as you know.    

Isn't a War Powers Resolution an affront to the Constitution (strickly construed) in and of itself?

Yes it is. It was an act of cowardly men who were afraid they might not be reelected. In their view that was more important than the US Constitution.

Congress needs to repeal that f*cking piece of crap law. How many corrupt, soul-destroying policies have been based on it? Torture, lawless prison camps, spying on citizens and peace activists, detention of citizens without charges and without trials, the list goes on and on. And no, the Democrats don't get to laugh either. They voted for it too, lest they appear weak as we shuffle gently into totalitarianism. But they, and any moderate Republicans who are left, can still change course.


Read the law.  It doesn't authorize any of what you describe, or anything remotely close.  See, that's the thing about laws...you're supposed to obey the actual language in the statute.  It's not Congress's fault that the White House is making up a rediculous and patently unbelievable interpretation of the law in question.  It's kind of like me claiming the average traffic statute gives me the right to steal your car...


Moreover, the law Matt cites is not the Administration's primary justification for its actions.  That would be White House's radical interpretation of the President's "constitutional authority as commander-in-chief."


I guess we better repeal the constitution.

A major premise appear to be that:
Most or all people have the potential to do violence. 
If we buy into that, then we should expect a good deal of paranoia to reign. And it sure suits anyone who wants to make cash off of such a premise.    

Just conjecture at this point, but interesting none the less:

"[I]t sounds like Bush's super-secret illegal domestic spying program may be targeting US journalists and that may be why Bush never got it cleared by the court and is worried about it coming forward now.


Think about it.


Bush had the authority to go the court AFTER THE SURVEILLANCE and RETROACTIVELY get the warrant to do surveillance he'd already done. He didn't. The only reason I can come up with for why Bush would NOT go to the court after the fact is because he thought the court would slap him down. The court's greatest concern would likely be spying on US citizens, and an even greater concern would be spying on either members or Congress or the American media. If Bush were spying on American media, he might just lose this retroactive warrant.


Bush says that these were only Americans making phone calls to people with known Al Qaeda ties. That probably knocks out members of Congress, but it very much sounds like US journalists. Who else, other than terror cells, would be talking on a regular basis with people who might have ties to terrorism? American journalists working on stories.


There's more...

Well you seem to be implying that Bush is the only one who is spying. I just don't see how that makes sense. Are all wiretappers/monitors republicans? 
I am sorry for not coming off as a hard core partisan, but I really think that this is really an outcome of a culture of back-biting/bickering as much as anything else. 

SLE


Just on the point on thinking about what has actually been going on...speculation....


They have always been picking out incoming international calls of interest. What's new is wanting to monitor the response to those calls from within the U.S. FISA has been approving this, after learning what they learned in each instance. But FISA always wants to limit it to what they could actually use in court, and they want to get a complete picture of the suspect's life, not to use it in court, but to better figure out what's really going on.  Not that they think they can use that other stuff against them, but that it gives them a better "bead" on it.


My main point is, of course, this is the same kind of thing Hoover's F.B.I. did, and then there were people like Hoover himself who picked out the extraneous unrelated private info. in reports and used it politically, simply because it was so juicy and it was there. And then that kind of culture spreads within the organization, and F.B.I. agents would use private unrelated info. that they have access to as a way to threaten/blackmail a perp or someone they wanted to get to talk, something they would in actuality never use in court.

TWTunes, 
Excellent post.  I agree with those last two sentences wholeheartedly. 

... and remember we haven't been in a legally declared war since WWII ended.

We've gone beyond the point where we need to explain anything about why or how bush did things, said things, why we're at "war" forever and so on.
No amount of legislation will do us any good.  it will simply be misconstrued as needed by this administration.
These people must be stopped!  Impeachment is imperative!
Otherwise rule by secret edict will continue.  Who knows where this will lead?  Certainly not in the direction of a constitutional republic, which is what they've robbed us of.
Unless the congress does something to STOP them, they are complicit in this theft of our constitution.

...and hopefully we can count on Senator Roberts to move things along on the manipulation of intelligence by the Bushies so we can get that report before the year 2525 (or thereabouts).

Bush is doing some of the spying, Hillary is doing the rest.

I really think that this is really an outcome of a culture of back-biting/bickering as much as anything else.

Please explain how avoiding both the courts and Congress is "an outcome of a culture of backbiting/bikering."  How does a partisan atmosphere have any bearing on the Bush administration not obtaining warrants to make their wiretapping legal?  Even if extreme "backbiting/bickering" were somehow a factor -- and who did so much to engender that climate? -- how would that absolve the Bush administration from their Constitutional and otherwise legal responsibilities?

Re: Bush is doing some of the spying, Hillary is doing the rest. ==========
Oh you're a funny one. lol!
Really? 

The President had his "A Few Good Men" moment on Saturday in his radio address. After the New York Times revealed that the President had apparently personally authorized the National Security Agency to "spy" on American citizens within the United States, President Bush refused to discuss the whole thing in an interview with Jim Lehrer on Friday, implying that there was nothing to the story. Could a sitting US President authorize a government agency to violate the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution? Of course not! Don't be ridiculous.

But wait! On Saturday, the President in his radio address reversed course and admitted that he had done just that. Really, he boasted that he had authorized the NSA to spy on citizens domestically. Why? It's simple: because of 9/11. The events of 9/11 fundamentally changed the way the world works and as such made the U.S. a much more dangerous place. As a result, the President needed to do whatever possible, no matter how immoral or potentially illegal, to safeguard America. Would he do it again? Damn straight, he said. Again and again if necessary. Did he violate the law? Doesn't really matter. Are you going to worry about that when terrorists kill thousands of Americans?

Interesting arguments all and something about it seemed familar to me. It hit me this morning. Bush is making the same argument that Jack Nicholson's character makes in the film "A Few Good Men". In that movie, Nicholson plays a colonel at Guantanamo Bay (note the ironic coincidence) who Tom Cruise suspects is responsible for ordering two Marines to violently haze another Marine in a "code red". The actions of the two Marines ends in the death of the Marine they haze and the two are charged with murder. Their excuse? They were just following orders. So Cruise brings Nicholson to the U.S. to the court martial to answer questions about whether or not he ordered the "code red". At first, Nicholson denies it. He dissembles. Santiago, the dead Marine, was weak, he argues, but he had ordered no one to touch him. Nicholson had followed all the correct procedures. It's only after being caught in some discrepencies in his statements, that Nicholson has his famous meltdown. In that speech he argues that because the world is a dangerous place, he has done somethings that others might find unsavory, nay disgusting, but it was all in the name of making America a safer place. Who cares if his orders led to the death of a soldier?! That soldier was weak and making the U.S. unsafe! Don't weep for Santiago, no! In our heart of hearts, we know that we want him on that wall and that we need him on that wall!

This is the exact same argument that Bush is making. Sure he has to do some unsavory, nay even potentially illegal things, but the U.S. is a safer place for it. What will be interesting to see play out is if the American public react to this argument the same way that the audience reacted to Colonel Jessup's speech in the movie. Will the public feel, as we the audience did, that the arrogance of the authority figure to commit an immoral and illegal action outweighs the potential good? Could Jessup have let Santiago go home without ordering the attack that led to his death? Would that have made America less safe? The same moral dillema surrounds the President and his decisions. Could Bush have went to the FISA secret court and gotten permission before wiretapping phones? Would that have made America less safe?

As far as we can tell right now, like Jessup, Bush chose the slightly more expedient and certainly less moral way to operate and that has belied the arrogance of power. The intriguing thing to see play out is whether or not the public will react as the judge did in the film. When Jessup flaunted the laws and the power of the court, the judge showed him that no man, no matter how dangerous the world was, was above the law. Will the institutions of American governance and the people of the United States show the President the same resolve and moral outrage?

Well you seem to be implying that Bush is the only one who is spying. I just don't see how that makes sense. Are all wiretappers/monitors republicans?


Excellent point.


One has only to see the ads on this site for Colleen Rowley running for office (baby kissing tradition included)to be reminded of the problems inherent in the whole Zacarias Moussaoui case, actually what brought Ms. Rowley to national prominence.


Moussaoui was not a citizen, but there are related issues that were involved, such as the contents of his computer. And if I recall correctly, one of her main complaints was about timeliness, was it not?


Don't get me wrong, I myself was and am a strong supporter of Rowley's whistleblowing. With all intel agencies, relying on the "trust me, I'm a professional" argument has not served us very well.


To inject partisanship in this, about where to draw the lines is the wrong way to go. There's lots of libertarians in the GOP that should not be driven away by it being made a "liberal's" issue.

By no means am I implying that this absolves Bush or anyone else. I happen to think that the information is highly accessible without a warrant because there hasn't been anything like privacy for over three decades-as a result of Watergate and other scandals, the investigations of which are guided by partisanship as well. No? Those surveillance mechanisms have been in existence for an awfully long time. The technological tools are increasingly more and more sophisticated. 
Vanishingvoter.org has addressed the issue of uncivility during the campaign process. It hasn't absolved either party of it. 
No doubt 9-11 has upped the ante for infringements to privacy. But were they significantly less egregious?  

But FISA always wants to limit it to what they could actually use in court, and they want to get a complete picture of the suspect's life, not to use it in court, but to better figure out what's really going on.

This raises a question I've been wondering about: would the administration even be able to use any of the info they gained from these wiretaps in court?  Suppose they came up with evidence of criminal activity, wouldn't any court throw that evidence out for being improperly obtained?  It certainly seems that way to me, but I'm not a lawyer...

Thank you Artappraiser,
I would think that each investigative institution has developed its own brand of investigations, some aspects of which are trade secrets. And it would take a systematic study of them in order to discern which tool violates the Constitution. I doubt that this is going to happen.

It didn't void this statute...

TITLE 50. WAR AND NATIONAL DEFENSE
CHAPTER 36. FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE
ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE


GO TO CODE ARCHIVE DIRECTORY FOR THIS JURISDICTION

50 USCS § 1809 (2005)

§ 1809. Criminal sanctions

(a) Prohibited activities. A person is guilty of an offense if he intentionally--
(1) engages in electronic surveillance under color of law except as authorized by statute; or
(2) discloses or uses information obtained under color of law by electronic surveillance, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through electronic surveillance not authorized by statute.

(b) Defense. It is a defense to a prosecution under subsection (a) that the defendant was a law enforcement or investigative officer engaged in the course of his official duties and the electronic surveillance was authorized by and conducted pursuant to a search warrant or court order of a court of competent jurisdiction.

(c) Penalties. An offense described in this section is punishable by a fine of not more than $ 10,000 or imprisonment for not more than five years, or both.

(d) Federal jurisdiction. There is Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section if the person committing the offense was an officer or employee of the United States at the time the offense was committed.

Bush's plenary Fuehrer Powers obviated any need for compliance with this or any other law

If you never read It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis I would suggest it to everyone.


During the Cold War much was justified by the need to fight the "enemy" including the vilification of those who dissented.  


Today in opposing an enemy who "hates our freedoms," who "hates our way of life" Bush will sacrifice both our freedom and way of life.  


I watched the Word Trade Center collapse.  I knew some people who died that day.  I would not like to see it ever happen again. But what is the point of giving up all that we value in the effort?

Moussaoui was not a citizen, but there are related issues that were involved, such as the contents of his computer. And if I recall correctly, one of her main complaints was about timeliness, was it not?

Rowley's superiors were reluctant to use a FISA warrant to search Mossaoui's computer because they were unsure whether that violated the the pre-Patriot Act prohibitions on using foreign intelligence information in "domestic" criminal investigations.

The Bush administration and other supporters of the Patriot Act argued (correctly in this instance) that the law needed to be changed so that the FBI could utilize FISA warrants (which have a lower standard of proof and have an expedited procedure) in terrorism investigations.   
 
However, the Bush administration is now contending -  without any basis - that even the FISA warrant procedure is too cumbersome and inefficient and therefore could be circumvented as a matter of executive prerogative. 

This issue, therefore, cannot be simply reduced to a tradeoff between privacy and national security.  Shifting domestic survelliance of potential terror activities from a criminal warrant to a FISA warrant process already exchanges a modicum of privacy rights for a national security benefit.  To insist that there be no warrant process has dubious benefits for national security and serious concsequences with respect to the separation of powers. 

Democrats (and any Republicans who wish to be more than mere lackeys to the Bush Administration) must make clear that the warrantless eavesdropping issue is principally not about national security, but rather about a naked grab for untrammelled exceutive power by the Bush Adminsitration.


Didn't even the Clinton administration make claims that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional?

I don't want to rely on "Clinton did it"; I just seem to recall that there are ots of people who think the War Powers Act infringes on the President's operations as Commander-in-Chief. And this is not like the wiretap case, where we seem to be enlisting the justice department in the war effort by eavesdropping on US citizens; the War Powers Act affects the president's ability to command the military. 

To have the technology or ability to take a specific action certainly doesn't mean that you legally can take that action.  As Mark points out, not only FISA but also, more importantly, the Fourth Amendment prohibit Bush's domestic surveillance directive.

There is no logical connection between the current climate of "uncivility" and Bush violating the legal requirment to obtain warrants for wiretapping.

The information that Bush was conducting this illegal surveillance came from intelligence officers disturbed by the path that Bush was taking, not from investigations, partisan or otherwise.  Unless you know something that isn't publicly available, you're statement that "there hasn't been anything like privacy for over three decades-as a result of Watergate and other scandals" is false.  This is unprecedented post-Watergate territory.

I hope everyone will save some outrage for our Congressional "leaders" (I use the term loosely).  We need to be asking them what they knew and when they knew it-- Bush is claiming they were briefed repeatedly on what he was doing.  If this is at all true (given that Bush said it, I realize this is a long shot), we need to hold them accountable as well.  Add it to the list of times since 9/11 that Democrats have knuckled under to the Administration for fear of seeming weak (with a very few notable exceptions, like current guest blogger Sen. Feingold).

Do you really expect this Congress to do anything?

Re: Unless you know something that isn't publicly available, you're statement that 'there hasn't been anything like privacy for over three decades-as a result of Watergate and other scandals' is false. This is unprecedented post-Watergate territory. -----------
I can't believe that you really mean this. 
Let's be more specific and practical.  
First, which individuals and groups are under surveilance? Would you say that some or all of  are Muslims suspected of having links with Al-Queda? Are they Muslims? Isn't 9-11 an unpredented event? 
Second, I began with a question of whether all the monitors/eavesdroppers were Republicans. You did not answer that question. 
Third, I think that the animus toward Muslims is not inspired or instigated solely by Republicans. I hardly know any Republcans. Most all of my acquaintances and friends are Democrats. Some dems have a very dismal view of Muslims. In addition, for over twenty years, I have been observing disturbing characterizations of Muslims.
Fourth, I suggest David Cole's book Enemy Aliens. Monitoring of Muslims and anti-war activists has been going on for many many years, most often without their knowing it. How was that any less corrosive to the climate here in the US?
Fifth, you may or may not have ever been in a situation where your privacy was infringed upon. 
Sixth, I think you are fundamentally underestimating the ease by which private information is garnered.
Seventh, partisanship/uncivility most certainly plays a role. 

 

I can't believe a journalist would be calling any terrorist. 

Read Matt's original post. Bush has invoked this resolution as part of his justification for his actions. Whether his use of the law violates the Constitution or not, Congress gave him a fig leaf when they passed such an open-ended, sloppy piece of crap. They need to remove the fig leaf once and for all. Then maybe progress can be made on persuading the country that Bush's actions are unconstitutional and illegal. Bush's team wins not by being right, but by muddying the waters enough so that a substantial number of people are unwilling to say they are out-and-out wrong.

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