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It's been an interesting week to say the least.  Thanks again to Josh and everyone here for allowing me to share some of this very important week with you.  


As everyone saw with the successful vote today, when people have an opportunity to cut through the rhetoric and focus on the important issues, our democracy is better for it.  The conversations that take place here, and all over the internet, every day are vital and I am happy to have played a small part in them this week.


Please continue to let your voices be heard.  I look forward to talking with you again.


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Russ, I will never forget your efforts to protect our civil liberties.  Many of us will continue to contribute in whatever way we can to your efforts for sanity.

Thanks. 

Russ - 
Your lonely vote back in 2001 has been vindicated twice today -- in the Senate, and in the NYT.
Please join Rep. George Miller in calling for a special counsel to investigate the NSA's activities spying on Americans.

Thanks for looking out, Senator Feingold. Good luck with the rest of the Patriot Act debate. I know I will be watching.

Matt O.

Congratulations Sen Feingold:


When considering revisions to the Patriot Act, could you check into whether there is a requirement for the FBI to report crimes they witness? Could you make sure that if the FBI finds that their target is not a 'terrorist,' but a victim of a crime, that they become witnesses for this victim.


The surveillance done to uncover the plot would serve as evidence to corroborate the victim's story and help prosecute the criminals.

Let's continue to make it fun. Please notify us about every dopey bill that gets proposed in Congress (unfortunately that seems to be a fairly high percentage of them). We all can be Dawes, Prescott, and Revere spreading the word "the right wingers are coming; the right wingers are coming".

What a pleasure to have this front row seat at a significant time of legislating.  Senator Feingold, thanks for your thoughtful posts.  We hope you will come back again.

You're a good looking dude Senator Feingold. 
You'll have bear with my levity though.
lol!
Seriously, I'm in a wonderful mood because of these efforts. I would like to be able to live out my life knowing that I advanced the cause of intellectual freedoms. Without them, we can't sustain health, curiosity, and innovation. More fundamentally, I worry that we will bleach the potential authenticity and genuineness, something that I worry about every day. 
So thanks again.
 

Excellent job, you certainly earned my lasting respect. What else to say? Keep up the good work.

I guess all politics is local, as my former USRep Tip O'Nelll said, but your coming here and your standing up for American principles (I'm getting a freakin' flag lapel pin before the new year) has sold me on any possible plans to run for president. Sign me up.

This has been a heartening week: the wins on torture and the Patriot Act and continued progress on the web of corruption.

There's hope we can salvage our country's honor and integrity.

This is fun with meaning. 

 

 

 

 

Senator Feingold...

Thank you sir.  It is time the people took back their government.

Thank you for giving us a fighting chance

Re: Not a terrorist but a victim of a crime:---------
What an interesting point. I was surprised to find groups so embittered to a position, I admit. Even more puzzling were that people would try to intimidate others if they didn't tow the line. So in a sense, we have to worry about the ramifications for speaking one's mind. here as well. And here we are trying to instill the joys of participatory democracy elsewhere.  

    I salute your persistent efforts in defense of civil liberties and against the extra assault on them embodied in the Patriot Act.  I hope that your efforts meet with success.

   It appears that Frist could quickly chisel away a few votes from his Party, and maybe one or two Democratic votes in another quick cloture vote or two.  But the real test comes as provisions of the bill are about to expire.  Will the Repugs stick together in the logically ridiculous position of opposing temporary extension while insisting that it is an emergency that the bill not lapse?  It appears that an extension would have no chance of passing the House, so Bush wouldn't be in the position of having to sign it.

I do not believe that if the Democrats are aggressive about pursuing the 90 day extension in both Houses, and blocked by the Repugs, that swing voters will blame them for any perceived evil in the temporary lapsing of the Patriot Act.  The RW in the media will, of course, be adamant, and the liberals equivocal, so the Democrats following this course will have to be ready to really lay into the media for failing to inform the public accurately, and for not being vigilant in defense of civil liberties, for those mainstream media that WILL be equivocal.

I am still pessimistic that, when the dust settles, the Bush Administration will get everything they want in this bill, or just about everything.  It is a very difficult battle, and the only gain Democrats and opponents of the bill are most likely to be able to get from it is by highlighting those supposedly "moderate" Repugs who support it, and taking the issue to them in the polls. 

I was shocked at the number of Democrats in the House that supported their hideous version of the reauthorization.  What's the story with those Democrats, and who is bringing political pressure to bear on them?

At any right, it's the right struggle, even though it appears to me to be doomed to failure, at  least in the near/mid term policy arena.  The only thing is that the Democrats have to be really fighting to win in the 2006 election, instead of 'reporting for duty' (toeing the line of usurpatory power instead of upholding the idea of competitive elections implicit in the Constitution).

Dear Senator Feingold,

I just emailed my Senators from Florida urging them to let the Patriot Act expire at the end of this year.  Please let us know if there is more we can do. 

 

 

Senator Feingold...


Thanks for joining us here this week...this week of all weeks.  This week was a defining week in our country's history and you were an integral part of that history.  In your efforts to protect our freedoms we got to see a real patriot act.  Thank you...and you make me proud to be an American.

Everyone here underestimates the dexerity with which information/misinformation cross-pollinates, without even calling into question any section/clause of the Patriot's Act. 
At this point surveillance is also practiced by private citizens, depending on how you come to define 'private'. Put another way, it is so much a part of culture, especially in a town like DC. New information/ideas and their elaborations are a premium. The strategies used to acquire them are sophisticated because some citizens, through their vocations, have been practiced in the strategies to acquire them. Don't you think that this bears some attention too?  
One person joked that, from now on, one should sign a contract even with one who claims to be a friend. This is amazing. 
Private business has an interest in information/ideas and so on.
People can purchase recording devices. Kids like to show them off. 
Of course Enron and other financial scandals have upped the ante for monitoring financial transactions and lifestyles. This has been part of a broader trend. 
There is the issue of identity theft. One can go on and on!

Thank you for giving the Democrats a voice - again.  Between you, Gov. Dean, Sen. Levin & Boxer, and Cong. Dingell & Conyers maybe we can get this party to quit being so afraid of the Republicans.   We all know how to deal with a bully.  You kick their butt, you don't capitulate.  Thank you, thank you. 

  What on Earth are you Dem senators thinking? This was a gigantic failure for you. The Patriot Act can be changed as much as you want if you get elected as the majority party. All you gain by fighting it now is a short time before the election.
  Here's what you should have done. Let it pass with a lot of criticism then fight the next election as a referendum on getting rid of the Patriot Act. It is unpopular and so voters would associate the Dems winning the election with getting rid of it.
  Now the voters think they don't have to vote Dem in the election, as they'll find a way to get their policy through as the minority party. A minority party is supposed to look powerless so people are motivated to make them the majority party.

What on earth are you thinking? You want us to sit here like potted plants while our rights are ripped away from us. Bush can agree to an extension. He won't because as always partisan petty short term political advantage is what's important to him. This man needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to the International Court at the Hague to be tried as a war criminal - not coddled by cowardice.

You definitely have earned our admiration and our thanks. Best of luck and thank you for letting us participate in the process with you. I have to say that providing us this window was wonderful and inspiring.  

I think Sen. Feingold just removed the knock that he is some sort of un-electable fringe political figure of the looney left. Yea I know 2008 is two eternities away, and 2006 is probably more critical anyway but there it is.

Pardon me Senator if you haven't heard that before, I don't think you'll be hearing much of it anymore.

The guys got my support. He stood up to Bush on the Iraq invasion, the Patriot Act ramrod job through Congress after 9/11, and this time. Compare that to Hillary and Joe and the Johns. Sen. Feingold looks very good by comparison. Maybe he's the Eugene McCarthy of 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008.

That's a great way to vent anger and a sure way to lose the election. As I've said many times Dems lose because they act from anger not from reason.
Sitting like potted plants is exactly what an opposition is supposed to do. It doesn't help much if you are screaming inside with anger and want to do something immediately, no matter how destructive it is in the long term though.
The simple fact is it will be a miracle if the Dems don't lose seats next year because their tactics are so awful. And though you want them to win people like you will be the ones who push them into losing.
And when the Republicans win again you and others like you will be astonished like last time. Awful tactics will fail no matter how angry and indignant you are.

... and the morality of sitting silent while people are killed in Iraq for nothing and the Bill of Rights is decimated by King George W the Last (I hope) is.....?

Kudos for remembering that debate is the cornerstone of Democracy.  Somewhere along the line, the current political envirornment has come to accept a one sided,  no room for analysis or  compromise,  type of thinking.   Thank you for reminding all Americans that  there is room and time for discussion. We can  make better informed and wise decisions if we take the time to look at all facts and not mindlessly succumb to the drumming of the waves. 

  Well what kind of morality is there in losing elections to these people by bad tactics? The only way the Dems will right these abuses is by winning. The only way they will do that is to mount an effective campaign. The only way that will happen is through intelligent tactics. And the only way that will occur is to repress the desire to vent angrily and flail out at every opportunity.
  Politics is like a chess game. You don't win in chess by being sullen and angry or knocking over the pieces. There has to be some recognition of how to play the game, and that there are better and worse tactics.
  Oddly enough the Dems used to understand politics. Notice for example how Clinton never goes along with any of this Bush hating, because he knows it doesn't work.

Senator Feingold, I am proud of you and all the other true patriots in our senate that stood up this week.  I can’t tell you how many times in frustration that I yell at my television these days when watching this administration continue to spin their web of half truths. I am most proud of the senior senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia. I wish our President could have that kind of passion and genuine belief in our Constitution.


Maybe Senator Byrd would be willing to tutor George over Christmas recess.


A Patriot


... but silence is tacit assent and we are inadvertently telling our children and grandchildren and the people of the world that invading a country by deceiving the American people and taking away our Bill of Rights is acceptable if we sit here like potted plants waiting around for the politically expedient moment.

Democracy works by respecting those you disagree with.  By respecting those you disagree with, you listen to their viewpoints.  By listening to their viewpoints, you can refine your own viewpoints.  By refining your own viewpoints, you can demonstrate beliefs that will build concensus amongst the people.

 

The namecalling you are espousing will be passed on to our children, who will do the same namecalling.  When you or our children resort to namecalling, we are telling people that we cannot be reasoned with and that we refuse to listen to their viewpoints.  Since only a truly arrogant fool believes that all of their viewpoints are right 100% of the time, logically, someone else's viewpoint must have merit at some point in time.  Because of this, every viewpoint must be considered.  By being hotheaded and calling names, you will teach your children to stubbornly insult those who disagree with them, ensuring that they will cause conflict with someone.  And, in the end, isn't a stubborn belief that he was right exactly what caused Bush to invade Iraq to begin with?

I'm advocating ethics and morality - not name-calling. When your 4th Amendment rights are being taking away and your brave fighting men and women are being killed (not to mention Iraqis) because we were misled into a war of choice, I am saying that it is immoral to say, because of political opportunism, that we must remain silent.

Senator Feingold,
You are a rock.  I had the chance to be associated with your state campaign back in the early 90's and was even priviliged enough to attend your wedding reception in Madison.  I'm thankful for your hard work on the Patriot Act and I'm glad that your integrity remains unimpeachable.  Should you run in '08, I will be honored to work for you here in Colorado.

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