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CLOTURE VOTE THIS MORNING

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Well, the cloture vote on the Patriot Act conference report is this morning at 11 AM and thanks to the help of many of you over the last four years, I think we have a good chance of winning this one.  

As was mentioned by Jmarcuscampbell in response to my previous post, this New York Times story this morning is an absolutely shocking account of the government using and abusing its powers.  To eavesdrop on American citizens, under presidential order, without first getting a court order based on some evidence that they are possibly criminals, terrorists or spies, is a clear infringement on the rights afforded to all of us in the Constitution.   This is an astounding revelation and is further evidence that proper safeguards must be in place to protect the freedoms and liberties we all hold dear against government intrusion.


Again, thanks to everyone who has helped us in our fight.  I will be on the floor for the vote and will post again as soon as I can this afternoon.    


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Just finished reading the NY Times article.


The single most striking aspect is how unnecessary the program is.  Under the Patriot Act there are already secret courts handing out secret warrants to the FBI, presumably with very little judicial review.  By setting up the ultra-secret NSA surveillance system, the White House is circumventing its own completely secret program.  To what end?


It looks like just another example of the Bush Administration relying on John Yoo's legal theory that the president can, quite literally, do anything with his wartime powers, including torture foreign citizens, label American citizens "enemy combatants" and hold them without trial, and monitor Americans without even the slightest modicum of judicial oversight.  Let's get real here: the rationale behind the NSA surveillance program is not to catch terrorists -- the Patriot Act already provides those powers in spades.  The purpose is to expand executive authority so that secret systems are in place just in case they are ever needed.  They're not looking for cracks in the constitution.  They're trying to blow its doors off.  


This type of thinking is so thoroughly un-American, so damned Soviet, it's almost confusing.  


The American approach is to take only what power is needed; to acknowledge the enormity of the conflict between secret warrants and the constitution, and do everything possible to mitigate the risk to freedom.  Perhaps such an approach is naive.  But the Bush Administration doesn't just deviate from this course.  It goes in the opposite direction, creating layers of unnecessary and secret redundancy, attacking the constitution from as many angles as possible, and silencing congressional and media opposition by crediting its secret programs with unverifiable "victories" in the war on terror.  


Slowly but surely, the Yoo theory is being discredited.  McCain's apparent victory in the torture debate shows the President cannot, unilaterally, make torture America's official policy.  Likewise, the White House's decision to finally charge Jose Padilla seems to indicate that the President cannot label a U.S. citizen an "enemy combatant" and hold him without trial indefinitely (although the Supreme Court still hasn't spoken on this issue).  The NSA program - which reduces Congress to an afterthought and allows the President to spy on Americans without oversight - seems like the third leg of the Yoo tripod.  How can it be knocked down?


For starters, the Senate should vote for cloture for the Patriot Act.  A filibuster would serve two purposes.  First, it would allow changes to be made to the Patriot Act itself, bringing it in line with constitution.  Second, it would give Congress the leverage it needs to demand an end to the NSA program.  And really, why bother to debate the Patriot Act when the White House has created far broader powers for itself in secret?  

Thank you, Senator Feingold, for leading this fight.

Good luck with the vote, Senator.  And thank you for your due diligence for all of us..  Success is when preparation meets opportunity, and I have every faith you will succeed.


And the verse / theme may change, but we always come back to this chorus:


In the spring of 2001--before 9/11!--this president said in a CNN v-bite that he didn't have a problem with dictatorships as long as he got to be dictator...heh, heh, heh.

Can't say he didn't warn us.

For starters, the Senate should vote for cloture for the Patriot Act.

Don't we want this bill filibustered? Cloture would end debate and bring us closer to renewal without changes.

Thanks again, Senator. For what it is worth, I e-mailed both of my Senators (NC, Dole and Burr) asking them to uphold the filabuster and prevent passage of the "Patriot" act in its present form.

It will be curious to see how they vote.

Sam Taylor

Don't we want this bill filibustered? Cloture would end debate and bring us closer to renewal without changes.


Yes, my mistake there.  Cloture is the response to filibuster.  You either have a filibuster (less than 60 votes) or cloture (more than 60).  We want a filibuster.  

On the Bush order authorizing NSA spying without warrants or court orders -- how can any response to this other than impeachment possibly be appropriate? This guy has unilaterally, and secretly, suspended the Bill of Rights.

It's not just a generic violation of the Bill of Rights, either.  It's a specific violation of an existing law:


The law governing clandestine surveillance in the United States, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, prohibits conducting electronic surveillance not authorized by statute. A government agent can try to avoid prosecution if he can show he was "engaged in the course of his official duties and the electronic surveillance was authorized by and conducted pursuant to a search warrant or court order of a court of competent jurisdiction," according to the law.


"This is as shocking a revelation as we have ever seen from the Bush administration," said Martin, who has been sharply critical of the administration's surveillance and detention policies. "It is, I believe, the first time a president has authorized government agencies to violate a specific criminal prohibition and eavesdrop on Americans."


There is a law in place specifically barring this type of activity.  Not some old law, but an existing, relevant law.  The president knowingly violated that law.  It's an absolutely clear cut case.

The Patriot Act, while seeming to be written in our best interest is a tool of control and needs complete revision. 

Following the election we Democrats were told to go sit in the corner and be quiet.   Most have written Texas off as a "Red State", but let me tell you, the blue is spreading once more to every border.  One year ago I was lower than low, resigned to hearing the administration toss out one spin after another to the American people.  Then in early summer, wow, I heard one or two words of descension.  I hovered over the TV clinging onto those words.  Then beginning in a small stream of reports on Air America radio behold there were others like me out there who wanted "our country" back from the thugs that had jackbooted their way into control of Congress.  After seeing the horror in New Orleans and Mississippi the truth cannot be denied.  The truth spilled out from all corners and Democrats in congress were speaking up.  Now the truth is like a torrent and there is indeed hope. 

I write, email, and telephone my two Senators, my Representative espressing my wishes, my concerns, and ask them to vote accordingly.  They don't care, they don't respond, and rest easy that they NEVER vote as I wish.  Texas has been held hostage by the Republican Governor Perry and directed by the infamous crook, Tom Delay.

We will be heard.  We are here ready to work for representation.  I am a retired accountant, age 69. I can talk, hand out flyers, answer phones and speak within my neighborhood.  I can and I will work without tiring to bring truth and honor back to the office of President.

I demand honesty from the US Congress.  Please don't let us down.

As we have just seen in media reports about the US government spying on citizens without just cause, governments are notorious for over-reaching the powers granted to it.  To extend in perpetuity the broad powers granted under the patriot Act without reasonable checks and balances is to invite abuse.  I hope Senator Feingold is able to inject some degree of rationality into the Patriot Act. 

Senator Feingold,

Am listening to, with much hope and some trepidation, the debate in the Senate. Have written to NJ Senator Lautenberg; not sure what else to do. Here's hoping your coalition prevails!

I find it incredible that the President will not sign a 3month extention of the Patriot Act.

Good old Frist just compared "retreat" on the Patriot Act to those who would "retreat" in Iraq. This man just isn't very bright, is he?

Frist: The Patriot Act expires on December 31st, but terrorism does not.

I'm not aware that any Senator has campaigned for overturning the Act, only those provisions in it that affect civil liberties. Once again, the illustrious leader of the Senate would have us believe that genuine concern for American freedoms equates to "if you're not with us, you're for the terrorists."

Senator McCain rarely fails to disappoint.
:(

Cloture failed!! Way to go... 47 Senators opposed!! Currently, Sen. Sessions is complaining and lying about the Patriot Act in the process.

Congrats!

Cloture failed!!


YES!!!!  GREAT NEWS!!!


A victory for freedom, democracy and the United States of America.  Thank you Senator Feingold, it wouldn't have happened if it weren't for you...GREAT JOB!!!! :-)

HOW THEY VOTED

Roll Call here

 

Note the split between '08 hopefuls McCain and Hagel.

Note Frist's vote to maintain procedural control and preserve the right to make a motion for reconsideration.

Note Ben Nelson the only D to crossover, doubtless thinking solely about how the vote will play in his difficult '06 race.

Note also, Senator Lincoln Chafee forced to go on record in no-win situation.  Bill Frist forcing this vote when he knew he didn't have the votes, only served to hang Chafee out to dry.  It's the equivalent of Frist having walked up to Chafee's opposition and handing them a grenade to toss at him next year. 

 

CONGRATULATIONS SENATOR FEINGOLD.  THANK YOU. 

Senator - Congratulations on the win.

I noticed in the WaPo article the following tidbit:

"After it was clear that the effort to shut off debate would fail, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) switched his vote from yes to no, a parliamentary move to allow him to seek a new vote later."
 
Not being familiar with Senate procedure, I wonder about this. Appears to my untrained eye that Frist will wait for some of the Senators to leave for the holidays and then call another vote. Anyone know whether this is possible/likely?

New Hampshire Senator John Sununu (R) qouted Benjamin Franklin after voting not to invoke cloture...


"Those that would give up essential liberties in pursuit in a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security," said Sen. John Sununu


Very true Mr. Sununu...very true.  It is good to see not everybody had their senses take leave of them!!!

This type of thinking is so thoroughly un-American, so damned Soviet, it's almost confusing.

A week does not go by when I don't get a little Soviet vibe from  these clowns.  There was a picture of the president on a stage surround by a slogan that just looked, as you say, so damned Soviet. Secret prisons (in eastern europe no less).  Secret agencies. Domestic spying. Disregard for laws.  

Republican senators need to wake up and do something. I hope this filibuster will be a  starting point.

In answer to the question regarding Frist's procedural move to preserve his ability to make a motion for reconsideration ...

There's virtually no chance that he's thinking he can wait for a half dozen Ds to walk out the door.  Feingold already has Byrd itching for an excuse to engage in a high profile fillibuster on abridgment of civil liberties, and he's also got a full commitment from Leader Reid as well as Leahy.

Frist would need all four of them to leave town together, AND be convinced no one else would launch a fillibuster in response.  Only then could he whip enough votes to win.  Otherwise, he's still 6 votes shy of being able to invoke cloture.

Even if he could pull all that off, he'd still be facing a procedural battle as one of the remaining Democrats would almost certainly flip and vote on the winning side, then move for reconsideration the moment the missing Ds returned.

IMO, this is a move to save face on the vote itself.  If Frist moves to reconsider an existing vote rather than bringing a bill back for a new vote, then once the bill has been modified to the satisfaction of enough members to achieve passage, on motion for reconsideration, the vote of record will be that final vote.  That presumably is of some use in how the vote is portrayed in the next cycle.

Here's the roll call.

Going through it, I see four votes across party lines Red State dems Johnson (ND) Nelson (NE) and libertarian type Sununu (NH) and Murkowski (AK) 

I missed Hagel.

Congratulations Senator Feingold!  A win well earned.  

The PATRIOT act stands for "Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism". BushCo has used 9/11 hysteria to enact INAPPROPRIATE tools. This is still America. The Senate has awakened. Thank you Senator Feingold for ringing the bell.

Keep going ! May be the WH will get the message...



PS: you should have a little talk in the corridors with Ben (Nelson D-NE) and Tim (Johnson D-SD). They have a bit of 'splaining to do.

Johnson is SOUTH Dakota, not ND.

Note Ben Nelson the only D to crossover, doubtless thinking solely about how the vote will play in his difficult '06 race.

No, there was one other: Tim Johnson of South Dakota, who I believe is also up for re-election in 2006, no?  And probably also facing a difficult race, but I'd rather see people go down swinging than to win by hedging. 

McCain's vote in favor of cloture here shows why progressives cannot trust him always to be on the side of "truth, justice, and the American way," in spite of his admirable opposition to the Bush Administration on the issue of torture. 

Note Frist's vote to maintain procedural control and preserve the right to make a motion for reconsideration.

Ah!  Thank you--I was wondering when I looked at that list why Frist voted "Nay," but I was forgetting that politicians sometimes do that for the very reason you cite. 

As a matter of fact, I posted a response this morning to a "War Room" item in Salon on this subject, saying that I considered this an impeachable offense, BUT: who in his right mind is going to move to impeach Bush as long as it would be Dick Cheney who would take his place should the Congress remove Bush from office?  Talk about jumping out of the frying pan into the fire!

Thanks.

Simple solution - impeach and convict Cheney also!

Republican Senators like Chaffee and collins stand up to Comrade Bush - don't hold your breath.

DeWine and Snowe are running. Snowe's very popular, but these issues--corruption and domestic spying--resonate in Maine.  DeWine's in trouble, and he knows it.

However, as armando at DailyKos has been pointing out, there are no pro-choice republicans.  There are no republicans, as far as I can tell willing to stand up on any principle. Even McCain's anti-torture bill was emasculated, and then the President, on signing it, said that he would not necessarily abide by it.  It's a bad time in the US right now.

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