This Morning: Peter Baker and Jim VandeHei Cook with Walnuts
Our story so far: In the foreground, Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell and national political director John Harris say that they..
The Two Washington Posts: ...don't like WPNI columnist Dan Froomkin's "White House Briefing"... highly opinionated and liberal.... The title... dilutes our only asset -- our credibility as objective news reporters. Froomkin writes the kind of column that we would never allow a White House reporter to write.... The Web site should remove the "White House Briefing" label from Froomkin's column...
...and retitle the column, "Dan Froomkin's 'Cooking with Walnuts'."
In the background, Washington Post Executive Editor Len Downie has his eye on the essentials:
Len Downie: We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin's column because it contains opinion."
But what's going on off in the wings? This morning, enter Peter Baker, one of the three opinion-free White House correspondents of the Washington Post, snarking on page A1 about George Bush's "two answers," and expressing his opinion that Bush's Iraq policy is incoherent:
In Four Speeches, Two Answers on War's End: By Peter Baker. Thursday, December 15, 2005; A01: As President Bush wrapped up a series of speeches on the war yesterday, he once again gave a clear answer to when U.S. troops would come home from Iraq: "We will not leave until victory has been achieved." And he also gave this clear answer to when U.S. troops would come home from Iraq: "As Iraqis stand up, we will stand down." What he did not do was reconcile those two ideas.... The vow to "settle for nothing less than complete victory" satisfies Bush's desire to project Churchillian resolve.... The "stand up, stand down" formulation, by contrast, is intended to signal that the United States will not remain forever enmeshed in a bloody overseas conflict fueled by sectarian enmity...
And enter the second White House correspondent Jim VandeHei--last seen earlier this week reprinting the possibly-true possibly-false spin of Karl Rove lawyer Robert Luskin--on page A7, actually doing some in-line fact-checking as a snarky way of expressing his opinion that George W. Bush doesn't know what he is talking about, and worse:
Jim Vandehei: Bush said.... "Secondly, the Abramoff -- I'm not, frankly, all that familiar with a lot that's going on over at Capitol Hill, but it seems like to me that he was an equal money dispenser, that he was giving money to people in both political parties." According to campaign finance reports, Abramoff and his clients contributed money to Democrats but substantially more to Republicans....
As the extremely intelligent Michael Kinsley said, ""The biggest problem [posed for journalism by the Bush administration] is -- and I don't know what the solution is, so it's not a criticism, as much as it is a puzzle -- is that the conventions of objectivity make it very difficult to say that something is a lie." Peter Baker and Jim VandeHei are solving this problem.
Very good stories, both of them--and not despite, but because they stretch news conventions in a way that will trigger more angry phone calls to Len Downie from the White House.
















I happen to sympathize with the goals of the Washington Post here. The goal is not to exclude any opinion that can be construed as liberal advocacy or that is critical of the White House and the GOP. As you pointed out, the paper does this rather often. But to make sure that when the Post does criticize the White House and the GOP, it comes from a paper with a reputation for fairness and objectivity and can't be as easily dismissed by Conservatives and GOP partisans as 'liberal media bias.' This exact strategy is what makes the Post the most credible, intellectually honest reputation in Washington (and perhaps the Country) and the Washington Times look like a cheap partisan rag. When the Post criticizes/snarks on GOP ineptness and mischief, it counts for more than when the NY Times does it.
December 15, 2005 10:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
For those who may have missed it, Brad left John Harris slack-jawed and naked in a phone interview.
Harris clearly had no idea what he was getting into. It's odd. He clearly pays attention to the blogosphere--he has opinions on its valuelessness, and he has to pay attention to make an assessment.
Didn't he know what would happen if he tried to do this in public? It's really hard to pull off this kind of thing in an atmosphere where everybody checks up on you.
What's also interesting is that the Post clearly has a pretty good grasp on what the internet is good for. They've got interactive features, content that crosses platforms, like Kinsley's columns, integration with Newsweek, very interesting on-line only content, like Froomkin. Maybe part of what is going on here is that the journalists in the meatspace are worried about their future. Reporting may be turning into an essential but low status job--kinda like it used to be, actually.
December 15, 2005 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
It is telling that the Washington Post does not mind employing the president's personal stenographer as assistant managing editor and yet it has "concerns" about comments critical of Bush by one of its bloggers.
Why can't the Dem Sugardaddies get their act together and publish a liberal paper in DC? There IS a market for it in DC. The regular DC residents are overhwelmingly Dem. And yet they are given two choices. A right wing rag published by a Korean Messiah and the increasingly neocon, increasingly GOP Washington Post.
December 15, 2005 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, a central irony in all this is that on the substance, Harris is right. There's no harm in clearly delineating commentary from reporting Everybody's said they don't really think it matters if the name of the column is changed. I happen to think they should really name it "Cooking with Walnuts."
The way in which it happened--publicly, through the ombudsman--is what blew it up. There must have been some kind of turf battle going on as well--Brady getting his back up on getting orders from the news division on what titles to use on his columns.
Nonetheless, it was revelatory. It was clearly the result of pressure from the White House, and the Post reporters clearly respond to that pressure not by saying "it's our business, not yours" but by saying "So sorry. We'll get right on that."
I did find disturbing the notion, apparently laid to rest by Brady that there would be an accompanying "Cooking with Pecans" column from a conservative pov. Harris et al can deny it all they want, but saying you need to counter Froomkin's "liberal" identification of contradictions and deceptions does distinctly imply that being conservative means ignoring contradictions and deceptions.
But then what would the other guy write about? The First Lady's social calendar? The nature of the column is inherently adversial toward the white house, not the right. That Harris doesn't seem to understand that is troubling.
And the second irony is that if the goal of the White House was to lower Froomkin's influence, well, that didn't work out so well. His pageviews must have been at record levels this last week.
December 15, 2005 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
But to make sure that when the Post does criticize the White House and the GOP, it comes from a paper with a reputation for fairness and objectivity and can't be as easily dismissed by Conservatives and GOP partisans as 'liberal media bias.'
Here's the problem: the Conservatives will NEVER stop screaming liberal bias. No conservative finds the Post credible. That's why they read the WaTimes.
The Eds. should ensure that everyone else, you know, the reality-based community, knows that WaPo is fair by worrying about accuracy.
For me, it's hard to sympathize with people who take their cues from GOP operatives.
December 15, 2005 10:55 AM | Reply | Permalink
What's behind the b.s.? Yes, it is the Washington Post trying to appease Republican operatives at the White House. But, there is also the turf conflict between the old, dying newspaper and the new, rising website.
I think what Froomkin does is what is appropriate to a news website. It would never work in a newspaper -- not because Froomkin has a point of view -- but because Froomkin is linking to news. What Froomkin is doing, is the future of news reporting.
If the Post organization were smart, they would transfer the three White House reporters from the newspaper to the website, and have them report to Froomkin. Let Harris mine the website to fill the newspapers's column space.
December 15, 2005 11:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
I really believe this is a blogger vs. MSM story, rather than White House vs. MSM story. If Froomkin's column sounded more like Powerline than Talkingpointsmemo, I suspect Harris and Downie would still hate it. Why? Because it would still have all the trappings of a blog, from the name ("White House Briefing"), to the heavy emphasis on links, to the snarky language Froomkin employs. Harris and Downey resent the fact that some blogger is using their good name to hog page views.
Harris and Downey want their liberal talking heads to look and sounds like Richard Cohen and William Rasberry. They want their conservative talking heads to look and sound like Will and Krauthammer. What they don't want is bloggers. And Froomkin is a blogger, through and through.
I view this as an insider story that's gone haywire as Harris's justifications have inched towards "pleasing the White House." The real issue, to me at least, is whether a MSM institution like the Washington Post is going to allow a snarky blogger to trade on its name.
It's a turf war.
December 15, 2005 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I believe that Dan Froomkin would say (I haven't asked him) that he's not the future of news reporting. He would say that what he is doing depends on and is secondary to the real news reporting done by real reporters. But he would also say that the is the future of what used to be called "news analysis".
December 15, 2005 11:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Brad:
Love your blog and your posts here. I am confused by one thing, though. There has been much made about Harris's reference to "this conservative blogger" in his response to Jay Rosen's questions about Froomkin's response to Howell's response to the apparently large number of morons that don't know Froomkin isn't actually a Washington Post reporter. I think it's important to note that Harris never actually identified Ruffini by name. Rosen identified Ruffini for Harris in the context of linking Harris's term "this conservative blogger" to Ruffini's website. Whether or not Rosen asked Harris to be specific or not, and ommitted that exchange for the purpose of economy, I don't know. I think we can assume Rosen is correct, as Ruffini does appear to be the outstanding "conservative" accuser. But I got thrown a bit when you grilled Harris about referring to Ruffini as "a grassroots conservative weblogger." I understand you paraphrased Harris's obvious intent to disguise the loaded motivations of a Ruffini, but maybe you went too far. Does this just reinforce Kinsley's point about the difficulty of getting at the truth within the "conventions of objectivity," as politicians and editors will seek to say nothing at all through ambiguity, and you simply had to press the issue with Harris? Also, please talk more about the yield curve at http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/.
December 15, 2005 11:22 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that it is primarily a turf battle between the dead trees and bits. It reached a point where Brady's unwillingness to do Harris's bidding forced Harris to turn to Howell, the ombudsman. The trouble is that made the dispute public, and in making it public made it clear that the ultimate source of the complaint was the white house.
But the fact that they are tussling over turf isn't nearly as interesting as the fact that Post kowtows to the White House in this way. The problem arose when the White House kept complaining, and Harris had to say "There's nothing I can do about it."
Big swinging dick reporters like the White House editor aren't supposed to not be able to do anything about.
Hey, that points out another irony. If Harris had just said "Screw you. We're not taking orders from you." this wouldn't have happened.
December 15, 2005 11:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
Yes. That's blindingly obvious to anybody who thinks about this for even a minute. People who disparage the newspapers need to remember that all of the raw material they post ultimately comes from reporters.
However, I think this is a leading indicator for a status shift and a fall in income for reporters. Gathering the news may become an essential, but unglamorous starting point in the new world of journalism. There's already been a power shift. The White House editor said "frog" and Brady didn't jump.
And, um, you know one of the best bits of reporting on this story came from some moonlighting economist, complete with on and off the record conversations.
If you look at the top of the TPM site, you'll see another model being tested. (Note, btw, that I suspect these folks are being employed at entry level wages--and will be replaced rather than promoted. No dis to Josh--it's the only business model that would work, and there is a open investigative reporting niche.)
December 15, 2005 11:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
For those following along at home, this is the exchange referred to here:
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Q: You also said, “I perceive a good bit of his commentary on the news as coming through a liberal prism—or at least not trying very hard to avoid such perceptions.” But you don’t give any examples or links to past columns, and Deborah Howell, who also made this point, doesn’t give any examples, so it’s hard for readers to judge what these observations are based on. Could you help me out here? What issues does [White House Briefing] tend to view through a liberal prism? Can you point to columns that you had in mind? You also say that it may be true that Froomkin would do the column the same way if Kerry had won the ‘04 election; but if that’s so, doesn’t that undercut the notion of a liberal prism?
John Harris: How Dan would be writing about a Kerry administration is obviously an imponderable. Does Dan present a liberal worldview? Not always, but cumulatively I think a great many people would say yes—enough that I don’t want them thinking he works for the news side of the Post.
Without agreeing with the views of this conservative blogger who took on Froomkin, I would say his argument does not seem far-fetched to me.
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It's clear to me in context that there was no doubt who the blogger was. And, since the whole point of the flap is that the ones who didn't understand that this was a blog appear not to exist, picking this guy out was a pretty big gaffe. He had to know this question was coming, and that's what he had? Even now, all he's got is one liberal friend and some emails to the ombudsman. (Now, mind you, if they are really confused, they wouldn't be complaining about being confused, being confused.)
December 15, 2005 12:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't spend much time looking at Brad's site, but I've been over there a couple of times today. I just read a lot of it, and there's a post that frames this whole discussion which I strongly recommend
It involves the interactivity possible between a hard working reporter on the ground and a blogger providing context from his desk. The two really do complement each other, and Brad explains very clearly why--and why Harris, in some sense, just doesn't get something critical. While you're there, don't miss the Computer Catechism post.
Broke me up.
December 15, 2005 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
McClellan, while flipping me off with one hand and wiping the sweat off his reddened brow (all while looking nervously at his feet) responded to my question by saying he answered it yesterday. Through vigorous research it was determined that McClellen had in fact answered it yesterday, when he spoke "I answered that one yesterday".
Froomkin Dispute Part II
It was via the article "Update: 'Wash Post' Editor and Others Want Froomkin Column Renamed--But Online Chief Says No" by Joe Strupp that I was alerted to the online chat with Peter Baker and his money quote on White House reporting (Baker defends himself and his fears of Dan Froomkin with a self flagellating response to whether he felt threatened by Froomkin):
"Insecure? Jealous? Need a life? All of the above. Threatened by Dan Froomkin's column? Hardly. Dan compiles links to other people's work and throws in some thought, analysis and opinion of his own. There's great value in that. But it's a different thing from being a White House reporter."
Let's break this down: Froomkin "compiles links to others works". You mean he actually takes what he is fed into a broader societal context, instead of wrapping himself into the same disingenuous bubble as our President and his main man of disinformation Scott McClellan? What nerve! He actually throws in some thought, analysis, and opinion? Would that involve doing research and having to ask hard questions? Or follow-ups? Does that include fact checking? Boy, that might really cut into those post-briefing happy hours and piss off the leader. Such duties do seem vastly different than being a "White House reporter [sic]".
December 15, 2005 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Maybe part of what is going on here is that the journalists in the meatspace are worried about their future. Reporting may be turning into an essential but low status job--kinda like it used to be, actually.
Jay, that is wonderful. Reporters were actually much better journalists when they were hungry. Woodward and Bernstein were cub reporters when they broke Watergate, not comfortable-in-the-dinner-party circuit reporters. Do you think Seymour Hersh gets invited to the best parties?
December 15, 2005 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I do want to emphasize "essential" though. For reasons that Brad cites in the other link I posted, I think reporters are going to come to be seen as extractors of raw material. But the yields are low. And what they do is gonna change. For example, bloggers don't go the White House press conferences. Why should they? There's a transcript. It's tremendously inefficient getting the administration on the record. They poke, the prod, they ask the same question different ways. But if you didn't have that roomful of people, you don't have a transcript, because there aren't any questions.
I agree that they may do a better job if they are less well off. They may also be crabbier, like they used to be. There may even be more people in the business out of an interest in principles of newsgathering and an open society. Woodward as a hero is a two-edged sword.December 15, 2005 1:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
Jay, I know we need reporters. Political bloggers are pretty much out of business without the MSM. But as far as reporting news is concerned, people like Woodward are useless. He said himself that protecting sources is No. 1 for him.
It seems that there is a lot of juicy stuff floating around newsrooms that never gets reported. Why aren't these stories pursued, so we can all know? Why does informing the readership take a back seat to other considerations, like - oh, say, for instance - pleasing the White House?
December 15, 2005 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
In http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/2005/12/the_froomkin_fo .html Joel Achenbach fully expounds the turf war angle as a WP insider - to the total denigration of the GOP appeasement angle.
My reply there was as follows:
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Say what, Joel?
"This is a tough time to wear the "objective" label, since everyone's so partisan. The middle ground has become a killing field."
You don't distinguish between "objective" and centrist either? I guess it's a great timesaver. Is it a WP efficency measure?
Thanks for the internal details -- they tell us why no-one inside WP could see the journalistic travesty for the homepage turf war -- but Mr Downie has already revealed that this is fundamentally about appeasing the White House:
"We want to make sure people in the [Bush] administration know that our news coverage by White House reporters is separate from what appears in Froomkin's column because it contains opinion," Downie told E&P. "And that readers of the Web site understand that, too."
(he knows that the White House was never confused about Froomkin's role at WP)
December 15, 2005 4:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reporters were actually much better journalists when they were hungry.
Reporters are hungry now. Paper after paper is cutting newsroom jobs. That doesnt exactly drive demand for labor, or wages, up. And it doesn't contribute to the quality of reporting that's going on in this country.
I don't think it's a good idea for reporters to have their status lowered. I think it would be a good idea for reporters who have a fact-checking, adversarial, investigative mentality to have their status raised, and for reporters who have a celebrity-cultivating, star-worshipping, official-propaganda-accepting mentality to have their status lowered.
December 15, 2005 9:06 PM | Reply | Permalink
The WP is like the NYT, like the Chicago Tribune and its western tributary, the former LA Times....
Contributors of stock profit to hedgefunds to pay out to millionaires.
The hedgefunds don't like that the papers are only making a 20% profit (geez, color me ancient, but when I took grad school economics, a 7% return was considered "right") and the "editors" at these organizations no longer see their job as protecting their reporters, but rather bending over and spreading for the publisher and the advertising sales department, lest the newest "greed is good" owner fire them.
And this is why Haris and the rest of those with their pants around their ankles don't like guys like Froomkin and the rest of us - caged birds never like the birds looking in at them from the other side of the window pane.
After reading the LA Times since arriving out here more years than I'm willing to admit to ago, I am letting my subscription to the Chicago Tribune West die when it runs out this month. Plastic litter box liners work better for the kitties than the Times does anymore, and for too long, that's been its major function here. They fire Robert Scheer and keep that talentless moron Ramirez, and bring my favorite pear-shaped coke-bottle-eyed serving-his-country-dodging semi-literate uncreative-typist (but only with his forefingers) Jonah Goldberg on, while keeping the talentless Cunningham-loving Tony Perry and dropping George Skelton, who's forgotten more about Sacramento than the current crew of kindergartners up there will ever know (combined), and then call it a "news"paper. I've just greed up 90 minutes a day for productive activity.
John Harris and the rest of those idiots should be shaking in their boots if Ben Bradlee ever shows up in the foyer looking "bulky" in a big jacket. I'm sure Samson would love to pull down the Temple.
December 15, 2005 11:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, I said it was a leading indicator, but apparently it's already biting the hands of spoiled NYTimes reporters. Daniel Gross on Slate writes about reporters being underpaid.
December 20, 2005 10:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
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