Off Center Followup
I've long been a Matt Bai skeptic, so having read the authors' prebuttal of his review of Off Center and then these smackdowns from Ezra Klein and Jon Chait, expectations were at rock bottom. Thus I was pleasantly surprised to discover that I don't totally disagree with his take in that we both think more attention to the politics of national security would have been warranted. But beyond what Jon and Ezra have already said, I thought this passage at the beginning was a travesty:
Thomas Frank's best-selling "What's the Matter With Kansas?," for instance, advanced the premise that rural voters just aren't sophisticated enough to vote in their own interests. In "Don't Think of an Elephant!," the linguist George Lakoff took a slightly different angle, suggesting that these voters weren't dumb, exactly, but that their brain synapses had been rewired by the Republicans' skillful manipulation of language. Now come Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson, political science professors at Yale and the University of California, Berkeley, with "Off Center: The Republican Revolution and the Erosion of American Democracy." Hacker and Pierson offer a variation on this same theme: voters can't make the right choices, they contend, because our system of government itself has dangerously malfunctioned.
For one thing, that's not a very accurate description of any of the books' theses. For another thing, Bai specializes, allegedly, in looking at the future of the Democratic Party, so if he can't grasp the basic point that these three books all offer very different prescriptions for the future of progressive politics, then what, exactly, is it that he can do? His basic complaint with all three seems to be that it's not okay for a person to write a book which says that the Republican Party has won a lot of elections recently despite the fact that it would be better if they had lost. That's just silly. What else are liberals' books going to say? Should we all just give up, go home, and admit that we were wrong about everything because 62 million people voted for Bush and only 59 million people voted for Kerry?










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Should we all just give up, go home, and admit that we were wrong about everything because 62 million people voted for Bush and only 59 million people voted for Kerry
Really, isn't that what every good Republican wants?
It's the essense of Bush's foreign policy, and the nuclear option, and GOP-only campaign rallies and fast-track, late-night votes in Congress.
We, the 59 million, don't matter.
Some Democrats act as if BushCo think we actually do matter. Pleading with Bush to change course in Iraq. Work with our allies. Let's give it another six months.
Suckas.
December 13, 2005 7:47 AM | Reply | Permalink
His basic complaint with all three seems to be that it's not okay for a person to write a book which says that the Republican Party has won a lot of elections recently despite the fact that it would be better if they had lost.
I would put Bai's basic complaint differently, which is that it's not okay to write a book which says that the Republican Party has won a lot of elections recently despite the fact that they should have lost based on their positions and voter's true preferences.
Bai assumes, a priori that elections results are an accurate indication of voter preferences. Accordingly, for Bai any theory that describes and explains a disconnect between the two must be wrong. It does not matter how sophisticated or factually supported these theories are, Bai's faith in the centrality of ideas in American politics trumps any evidence.
Bai is right that Democrats should greet skeptically simplistic, silver-bullet panaceas to their problems. Of course they need to do more than simply "stick to their guns" or "stand for something." But its equally naiive to suggest that each Democratic defeat is a "lesson from the people" regarding specific issues or policy positions.
Bai is apparently working on a book that will end with a series of ideas on how the Democrats can get "more in line" with the mainstream preferences of American voters. Given his middle school civics assumptions of American Politics, the odds that he'll have any insight that even approaches that of Lakoff or Hacker/Pierson is highly unlikely.
December 13, 2005 8:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bai assumes, a priori that elections results are an accurate indication of voter preferences.
I think this is a good question, and if I were a political scientist, I'd want to answer it (though as a citizen of a democracy, I'm not sure the answer will seem so helpful).
Presumably, we cast our vote for reasons complex enough that saying that elections reflect voter preferences is probably too simplistic. My Kerry vote, for example, reflects my preference that Bush not be in office. My vote for my brother for city council (should he run), might reflect my preference that I continue to be invited to thanksgiving. My vote for the kooky bar owner who once was mayor of my town reflected my desire to stick a finger in the eye of the old money political establishment. Some of my votes reflect the fact that I don't really have enough of a specific opinion, and just vote party line.
In short, I don't think anybody really can claim a policy mandate based on voter preference - the evidence that we put people in office because we want them to enact the policies they say is maybe too murky. (They might justifiably feel like one of the cool kids, I guess.) But since winners have to govern, if this is right, defining the responsibility of politicians to the electorate is kind of vexing.
December 13, 2005 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
What Bai wants is for Democrats to admit that they've been very, very bad little boys and girls, apologize, bow and scrape before the American people, and then get busy implementing Bai's recommendations.
Their refusal to display the proper degree of humility infuriates him.
December 13, 2005 9:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
His basic complaint with all three seems to be that it's not okay for a person to write a book which says that the Republican Party has won a lot of elections recently despite the fact that it would be better if they had lost.
No. His basic complaint is that a typical Democratic response to a defeat isn't to say we lost fair and square, but instead to say we lost because the refs were biased, because the other team cheated, etc., ad nauseum. He doesn't believe that whining about the game being rigged is a particularly productive approach. And he's right.
December 13, 2005 10:23 AM | Reply | Permalink
The comment above is an ignorant comment. Neither Frank nor Lakoff "whine." If this poster means that Democrats should mindlessly pander and triangulate, that doesn't seem to have produced lasting results, either.
Sure, the Dems need to do a lot more grassroots work. That's just one piece of picture.
December 13, 2005 10:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
For another thing, experts are more often wrong than the rest of us, according to a new book by Philip Tetlock. From Louis Menand's review in the 12/5/05 New Yorker:
"It is the somewhat gratifying lesson of Philip Tetlock’s new book, 'Expert Political Judgment: How Good Is It? How Can We Know?' (Princeton; $35), that people who make prediction their business—people who appear as experts on television, get quoted in newspaper articles, advise governments and businesses, and participate in punditry roundtables—are no better than the rest of us. When they’re wrong, they’re rarely held accountable, and they rarely admit it, either. They insist that they were just off on timing, or blindsided by an improbable event, or almost right, or wrong for the right reasons. They have the same repertoire of self-justifications that everyone has, and are no more inclined than anyone else to revise their beliefs about the way the world works, or ought to work, just because they made a mistake. No one is paying you for your gratuitous opinions about other people, but the experts are being paid, and Tetlock claims that the better known and more frequently quoted they are, the less reliable their guesses about the future are likely to be. The accuracy of an expert’s predictions actually has an inverse relationship to his or her self-confidence, renown, and, beyond a certain point, depth of knowledge."
My evaluation of the political scene is as good, if not better, than the evaluation of these jokers who make millions of dollars a year.
Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
December 13, 2005 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
As far as simplistic summaries of the theses of the books mentioned (I haven't read Off Center yet), Bai seems pretty on, if clearly connoting negativity. I mean, there's a lot of anecdotes and various historical analyses and facts and whatnot in "Kansas", but the upshot of it all pretty much IS that rural voters are either too unsophisticated to recognize they've been had or are at least so fanatical on their couple key cultural issues that they're willing to be taken along for a ride by the Republican establishment cause they still believe, after 40 years of failure, that eventually it'll let them establish the American theocracy they dream of. Now I tend to agree with much of that thesis, but I don't think Bai necessarily is misrepresenting the book.
December 13, 2005 10:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bai's review seems to be yet more evidence for his seething contempt for Democrats because they have seeming contempt for everyone else. A streak of mean-ness has run through his writings about Democrats for some time. Not to mention very few, if any, positive recommendations.
I haven't read Off Center, so I can't really say. Democrats in cities often do suffer from contempt of people "out there," at least on the surface. Democrats could do a better job of squaring rural and urban voters for sure.
But clearly institutional factors played a role in Bush's and the GOP's victories. Understanding those factors will be hugely important in political reform and becoming competitive in elections again.
December 13, 2005 10:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the discussion is in some ways too ungenerous to Bai and yet in the point that matters most way too forgiving. The point's not that Bai considers griping about losing sour grapes, but what he thinks Democrats need to do to deliver what Americans really want.
As the authors, in their preview, put it, Bai does agree with much of what they say. He also emphasizes in his disagreement Bush's mileage from 9/11, which rescued him from an unpopular presidency; that was a big theme of TPM posters on the book, too, and the authors conceded it as well. I'm also not seeing the evidence that Bai is boasting of American preferences for Bush.
But rather, it comes down to Bai's long-running theme, that Democrats need to move right, which is where he thinks Americans are. It was the theme most recently of his infuriating article about Clinton as a 2008 candidate. I heart him saying that good people (like him, no doubt) still hate her, so she's still a not unlikely loser, but she's showing the Democrats how to stop acting like (gosh) liberals.
Given this, it's hardly surprising that he skips past the heart of the book as fast as he humanly can, since otherwise he'd have to face the data proving him wrong about American beliefs. That's why he takes the book to be predominantly about the pressures shaping voter cognitive dissonance rather than the dissonance itself.
December 13, 2005 11:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting that many of the commenters here focus on Bai's supposed meanness towards and disapproval of Democrats as if it is something unusual. I see the same from many commenters on sites like this all the time. Actually, I even see much more vehement dislike, even more like hate, of certain players, like Biden or Lieberman or the DLC in the blogsophere.
And I truly mean it's interesting. Of the noisiest (by that I mean those who feel compelled to comment often on Dem politics,) there seem to be two types of people left of center: those who want to figure out how to make the big tent thing work, i.e. how "we call all get along," and those who are mad as hell and who want to kick the bums out of the party.
I myself don't think of Bai as being the same as either of those types, as he is negative, but there is nuance. He just thinks many Dems have been woeful failures at politics the last few years and tries to understand why and to investigate approaches that might rectify the situation.
December 13, 2005 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bai assumes, a priori that elections results are an accurate indication of voter preferences. Accordingly, for Bai any theory that describes and explains a disconnect between the two must be wrong.
This is right, I think. I don't particularly enjoy piling onto poor, mediocre Matt Bai, but this is very typical inside-the-beltway (eg Joe Klein)/NYT middlebrow thinking. If this simple formula wasn't available to him, Bai's job would suddenly become much much harder - he'd have to actually deal with the issues raised by Frank, et. al. Institutions like the NYT have a pronounced stake in maintaning this gray, humorless, obtuse way of thinking/writing: it makes the institution seem lofty and authoritative. And they do actively foster it. If Mr Bai's magazine pieces appeared in other venues, would we talk about them as much as we do? We probably wouldn't talk about them much at all, because they are unremarkable in themselves.
This style is no more valid than - and is just the same, in kind - as the trick of being reflexively cynical so as to seem 'smarter'.
December 13, 2005 12:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's the best thing Matt Bai has written? I read this review last night, and stumbled over the same paragraph Matt has quoted above. It demonstrates an effort to be cute, rather than an effort to engage with the actual arguments being made in those books. If someone goes to the trouble to develop and sustain a book-length argument, a good reviewer will engage it.
December 13, 2005 1:43 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do we all know that a high school principal in Kansas suspended a student last week because she was speaking Spanish? I don't know why. but I can guess.
December 13, 2005 4:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree enthusiastically with Jonathan Chait's statement on the New Republic blogsite ( http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank?pid=4328 ) that one of Bai's worst offenses is solemnly repeating the twaddle we keep hearing that the Founders, in their infinite wisdom, deliberately arranged for each state to have two Senators in order to keep the big states from bullying the smaller ones.
As Robert A. Dahl points out in "How Democratic Is The American Constutition?", both Madison and Hamilton were furiously opposed to this idea -- Hamilton delivered a fiery speech against it, and Madison, in the one Federalist Paper on the subject (#62), ridicules the "bullying big state" argument and ends up sighing that even such a seriously flawed Constitution is better than none. That measure got through, as Dahl says, only because the delegations of the small states (led by Delaware's Gunning Bedford) openly threatened to ally with Britain or France in a traitorous war against the infant Republic unless they got a hugely disproportionate share of clout. Since -- for the first time in history -- Democrats are mostly an urban party while Republicans are a rural one, the current form of this outrageous un-democratic arrangement is (as Grover Norquist gleefully pointed out in an Aigust 2003 Washington Post op-ed, and as Hacker and Pierson point out, a Senate "permanently gerrymandered in favor of the GOP" (to quote Norquist).
December 13, 2005 5:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
[Bai] just thinks many Dems have been woeful failures at politics the last few years and tries to understand why and to investigate approaches that might rectify the situation.
I agree that Mr Bai is not willfully malign (although he can be rather sniffy, but that's his job, after all). The problem is that his master isn't his own imagination or developing vision so much as it is the Standard Liberalism of the NYT, which I would contend is a debilitatingly rigid two-way reflection of recent feckless Democratic politics. Bai is as clueless as the pols he wags his carefully occluded finger at. The Times has an unfortunate symbiotic relationship with both liberals and with its rhetorical stormtrooper-critics who identify it as the Locus of Liberalism - the NYT wants to be that, insists on it, in fact. This latter fact has been horrible for liberals and progressives for decades, not just the last few years. The NYT is a great paper, but the more overweening it is, explicitly on its editorial and feature side, the crappier it is. It's a newspaper/media org which has become an institution, and shouldn't be the reverse: an institution which happens to be a newspaper.
It's a fact too icky for the 'Times to confront without irony or, depending on the day, without post 9/11 lack-of-irony: much as regular people claim to hate politics, regular people who vote actually love them some politics, and they vote for politicians who give it to them, who pay attention to them now and then, even if only to exploit their (understandable) fears. At least Republicans pay enough attention to pander intelligently. Because Dems pretend that they are above pandering, they do it poorly, and catch much more hell for minor infractions than the GOP does for outrageous ones.
Meanwhile, back at the liberal ranch, the latest Thrty Point Plan has failed on election day, and the Times will reason that the Plan simply needs to be modified in a more centerist direction to gain majority support. Of course the reality of the election was that few in the majority even really noticed the liberal Plan, so it wasn't really rejected - it was ignored.
I don't think my view of significant parts of the electorate, as stated above, is either cynical nor condesending. It's a perfectly rational way for people who feel powerless to behave, especially these days. Shall we wring our hands about the transformation of politics into something more like entertainment (as if that were really something new)? How usefull! Then, like Howard Dean recently, we could be self-rightously right, and powerless our ownselves.
BTW, I don't mean to dis Matt Bai as a person. I know nothing about him other than what I learn reading his turgid pieces. He just strikes me as having a quality the feature side of the NYT values more than brilliance: malleability to the NYT style - and I don't mean just the 'stylebook', but also the mode of thinking.
December 13, 2005 9:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
>>"permanently gerrymandered in favor of the GOP"
That's only true if you assume Democrats can never win in more rural states. That assumption is being proven wrong in Montana and other places.
A populist message works in the more rural states.
Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com
December 14, 2005 2:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Off Center doesn't bother with issue intensity when trying to measure the center. They treat feelings about foreign policy as precisely as weighty as feelings on gay marriage. That is a huge flaw and it taints their research at every turn.
December 14, 2005 7:32 AM | Reply | Permalink