Will We Be the Party of the Moustache of Understanding, or of the People?
For my final post of this discussion, I first want to refer readers to Nathan Newman's terrific piece over at the House of Labor - I think it puts a pretty important exclamation point on this discussion, especially with some of the folks on this site now basically saying "let's talk about anything other than trade." That's exactly what Nathan essentially says is the problem with some of the so-called (and oxymoronic) "liberal free traders." They talk all about the goodies of trade (especially when the free trade deals are being negotiated), their organizations spend huge amounts of resources pushing these trade deals, but then when its time to talk about the downsides of that trade policy, they want to move on to other topics. And worse, they don't even want to fight for the policies that they promised were going to lessen the negative impacts of their trade deals on ordinary Americans. Sad.
As one last note, let me just say one other thing: it is true, there are many different policies and forces that affect our overall economic growth. And it is easy to simply say international trade isn't that important a factor, and that policies like an expanded EITC are more important because there is a more direct benefit. But here's the thing: trade policy is really the crux of all of this, because it bleeds into so many different parts of our economy.
As I have said in previous posts, America's trade policy doesn't just affect the workers who were directly displaced because a given factory moved to Mexico or China to exploit terrible labor conditions (that our trade policy allows to be exploited with impugnity). We'd like to comfort ourselves and just think that free trade policy only hurts these older manufacturing industries. But that's a gross distortion.
America's corporate-written free trade policy negatively affects workers' ability to negotiate better wages/health care benefits/pensions, workers' ability to unionize and collectively bargain, and state and federal lawmakers' ability to push for more progressive environmental and economic policy. Without a trade policy that protects labor/enviro/human rights standards, workers and lawmakers know that any efforts to improve conditions here at home can be used against America by Big Business as a rationale to ship jobs overseas. You can argue that's inevitable - but it is only truly inevitable if you have a trade policy that crates no disincentives for business to head overseas in the first place.
There's been a lot of talk in recent days all over the blogs about America's trade policy. That is productive, and long overdue. The truth is, the biggest most powerful economic force facing America today is globalization. Whichever political party puts together a coherent strategy for dealing with globalization in a way that actually serves the American people (and not just the corporate elite) is the party that will be a majority party for years to come.
Right now, we have one party - the Republicans - that is all for selling out America. And we have about half of another party - the so-called "centrist" Democrats who all too often go along with the GOP on these critical issues (I put "centrist" in quotes because polls show their positions are way out of the mainstream of outside-the-beltway American thought).
This party-and-a-half basically worships at the altar of the Moustache of Understanding, otherwise known as the Flathead, or by most Americans as Tom Friedman - a man whose passion in life seems to be lunching with well-to-do CEOs, and seems to be disgusted at the idea of actually talking to or understanding the concerns of real-life working people in America. He spews a trade policy that basically says "put a McDonalds in every part of the world, repeal labor/wage laws in the industrialized world, buy another one of my ridiculous books that is essentially a guided tour of all the Ritz Carlton's that I stayed at in the developing world, and - bingo - America's troubles are over!"
It is up to the other half of the Democratic Party to reach out to the millions of Americans outside this elitist bubble who reject this malarkey. It is up to political leadears to forge a trade policy that works for ordinary people. There are great heroes in Congress already trying to lead this fight - but it is going to take many years, as this blog shows there is much work to be done, even on the Democratic side. But this is the movement of the future. Making America's trade policy start working for America is a goal worth striving for and it is not an unimportant debate as some on this site claim. It should be one of THE central economic focus points for Democrats, as it will ultimately make our country stronger and more secure for the long haul.















The truth is, the biggest most powerful economic force facing America today is globalization. Whichever political party puts together a coherent strategy for dealing with globalization in a way that actually serves the American people (and not just the corporate elite) is the party that will be a majority party for years to come.
Can political freedom even survive economic globalization? Isn't this not only a global economic force but a global political force and is that force for freedom or feudalism? What matters your individual vote if economic power is divorced from the political system? Is the future a Congress of oligarchs like Senator Stevens this week shouting down the request for a vote and exempting global CEO's from the formality of an oath to tell the truth to the American public? Do we see our future not only in off shore corporations but in off shore foreign gulags? Is that what globalization really means? Power beyond the power of any nation's citizens? Power divorced from any nation's Constitution? Power only in the hands of those who have the power to take it with no political force capable of providing a balance?
November 11, 2005 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
You know, it's awfully tiresome to be called a "so-called liberal this or that." Much the same way it's tiresome to point that the "so called pro-worker liberals" spend very little time engaging in serious thought where the jobs that make workers workers are supposed to come from in the first place. Looking hard, what one sees is the same old lefty whipping boy that "business is the oppressor of the people" packaged around free trade and labor rights issues. The problem with those self-righteous neo-Marxist liberals is....
There are unpleasant consequences to non-free trade as well. Have you ever tried to buy a cell phone in Latin America? Or a car? Or just get a regular phone line? Or create jobs in a sector outside of direct resource explotation? It's a mess, and it's often a mess because of badly done trade policy. That hurts regular working people's lifestyle, too.
Trade is unquestionably a double-edged sword, even for us "so-called free trade liberals" and there's no doubt that Big Corporate America is not all that interested in good wages for workers. On the other hand, holding out for some policy framework where we only allow trade with nations that provide workers with jobs of the caliber and wage scale that we have here is a good way to make sure that 3rd world economies are slow in growing, and consumers (also "the people") in the US have less competitive choices in front of them.
November 11, 2005 10:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
When my representative, Bernie Sanders, guest blogged at this site a few months back, he was widely praised by the regulars here, with just about everyone taking exception to his 'anti-trade' stance. The Beltway Free Traders don't get that Bernie's stance is not only correct (it is NOT anti-trade -- all he asks is that the benefits of trade be spread fairly, here and abroad) but it is also popular -- very popular in fact, across a wide sprectrum of voters, and is the kind of stance that will win elections for Democrats in otherwise red states
November 11, 2005 10:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am bemused by people who elevate free trade policies to the status of a religion and like at an Aztec ritual are willing to sacrifice workers at the altar.
They argue that globalization is inevitable...I don't disagree. But I do have issues about it's policies and their impact on our society and the world. If the policies are done right free trade will benefit the US and the world. If done wrong it harms the US and spreads even more inequality across the globe.
Right now I think we are at the beginning of that wrong path. We need to have a spirited debate about our trade policy and hopefully the religious fervor will be left where it belongs...in the houses of worship.
November 11, 2005 10:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Will We Be the Party of the Moustache of Understanding, or of the People?
Not that we want to impose any false choices on our political discourse, mind you.
November 11, 2005 11:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
David:
Many thanks for coming here and expressing so well the views of the silent majority - silent not because we cannot or do not speak but because we are so often frozen out of the mass discourse.
I keep vowing to stop visiting this place, rife as it is with pseudoliberal backslapping, but I keep coming back because occasionally someone like you shows up and actually has something to say.
Bravo, and hope to see you back in here again soon.
RaulGroom
November 11, 2005 11:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking of Newman, a labor activist, let's look at labor's record on protectionism over the decades to question whether labor activists are the right people to listen to.
In the 1980's labor was famously protectionist regarding Japanese cars. Labor organized protest to demolish Japanese cars on the evening news. There were a lot of US auto workers on TV talking about job losses and urging Americans to buy America. Much of America was very sympathetic, for a while at least.
Unfortunately, what labor didn’t do is place significant emphasis on painful questions like asking why the Japanese make such great, efficient, reliable cars, or ask why US auto makers weren’t making equally good cars, or ask why we waste so much energy after the oil shock. If one goes to Detroit or much of the Midwest, one will see the result: SUV and giant pickups as far as the eye can see. It’s better in urban areas, but still much worse than it should be.
We make gigantic clunkers that guzzle gas and are very low tech compared with foreign competitors. The US auto industry has been bolting cheap SUV bodies onto cheap pickup truck chassis to sell to the clueless American consumer, especially the same protectionists who were bashing Japanese cars.
US auto makers have become the experts in junk, Japanese have become the experts in high tech. We’re manufacturing Toyotas and Hondas in America, you hardly see an American vehicle on the road in Japan or elsewhere abroad, and it’s not because of protectionism, it’s because nobody in Japan even wants a giant, wasteful, low-tech, poor reputation for reliability, American car. Ford is licensing Toyota’s hybrid technology to put in their Escapist SUV (talk about determined stupidity) and much of US are parts are made abroad anyways.
Protectionism won’t solve that. It won’t help Boeing compete against Airbus who are making better planes. It won’t help US cellular markets or stop them from adopting a more sensible Asian/European standard, or stop the Asian/European dominance of the cellular handset market who’ve displaced Motorola. There are so many examples, but the point is that protectionism won’t help failing US industries. There are many reasons why US companies are failing.
American labor has been consistently protectionist for decades, it’s like religion for them. While the concerns of American labor are important, their tendency towards protectionism is very dangerous.
November 11, 2005 1:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
[protectionism] is a good way to make sure that 3rd world economies are slow in growing, and consumers (also "the people") in the US have less competitive choices in front of them.
It's worse than that becasue those less competative choices then lead to economic stagnation down the road.
Look at the crappy cars Americans are making compared with the Japanese. We can't sell our pickups and SUV globally. The problem is the product stinks, and no amount of protectionism would sell American clunkers to Japan or avoid the fact that American cars are mostly crap.
Japanese and other foreign makers are the global leaders now. They've made better cars for decades. What did all the buy American, pro-labor, Japanese bashing do except let us continue stagnating for decades, and now we're so far behind in automotive technology it's pathetic. Ford is licensing Toyota's hybrid technology because they don’t have anything of their own to compete with.
That is the insanity of protectionist debates, it totally distracts from the real problems, and is just labor’s way of easy blame and sticking their head in the sand. The Sirotas of the world are just as bad as the Friedmans, or worse.
November 11, 2005 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the last few years have really shown me what the corporations mean by free trade. Their version has been destroying the American middle class. The changes are packaged as keeping America competitve and once the free trade agreements are in effect, they become reasons to shred the safety net of the American middle class and the poor. This version of free trade has to be stopped; I have moved from a free-trade position to one wanting to see the effects on American workers and understand the safety net of Americans before I support any trade bill.
November 11, 2005 1:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
Which is bizarre, because ultimately the middle class buys the products. But Henry Ford's lesson has been un-learned I guess.
sPh
November 11, 2005 2:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
very popular in fact, across a wide sprectrum of voters, and is the kind of stance that will win elections for Democrats in otherwise red states.
If you're arguing that it makes political sense to lie to voters and tell them what they want to hear, that's a separate debate.
But I hope you're not arguing that it’s actually possible economically to install the sort of protectionist measures much of the public naively wants. There are some small protectionist measures that could be taken, and small wealth redistributions which are possible, but they’re sideshow issues because the real issue is why are American products doing so poorly globally.
If the US auto industry was doing as well as others for one example, exporting as others are, we would hardly need to have this debate because we’d have a lot of happy US autoworkers and happy secondary industries. The bottom line is that US cars don’t export well because they're uncompetitive.
Pandering to protectionists is equivalent to the far right pandering to it’s religious wingers. Ultimately it’s self destructive and not going to work anyways.
November 11, 2005 2:05 PM | Reply | Permalink
let's look at labor's record on protectionism over the decades to question whether labor activists are the right people to listen to.
And from the "For what it is worth" department...the decline in the labor movement has coincided with the decline in the democrat's success at the polls. Like I said...for what it is worth.
November 11, 2005 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
"If the policies are done right free trade will benefit the US and the world. If done wrong it harms the US and spreads even more inequality across the globe."
The question is whether we're going to take a course heavily protectionist, and try to tariff our way to prosperity and attempt impossible labor standards globally as people like Sirota advocate. That would be economic suicide. It wouldn’t help US companies be more competitive or put anyone back in work.
Or we can take the model the Japanese and European have been using which is basically “corporate welfare” growth stimulation, but with a heavy dose of regulatory tough love and knocking heads together.
The problem is we’ve got corporate welfare with no standards on the one hand, so they just take the money and run; and a bunch of hippy and labor protectionists on the other who just want some short term pandering but have no long term economic sensibilities. Both are just short sighted special interests that would sink us all. It’s a major cultural problem and unless we all wake up, we’re just doomed because it’s a culture of poor planning.
As a concrete example of what should be done: Repeal the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. AND reinvest much of it in the private sector, seeding growth industries to create jobs and mandating pro-growth innovation as Europeans and Asians have done so successfully. Business will of course complain because they'd rather have the money in tax cuts with no expectations of them. Labor will of course complain because they'd rather have protectionism and services directly. But ultimately both will be better off.
We also need to streamline our services like medical care to be more efficient so it’s not a weight around all our necks, that's something much of business and the general public can support.
CA’s biotech initiative is an example of what we need, it had bipartisan support and will help create jobs and with any luck be a long term economic winner to lift our economy for decades. But we need many times more such projects. We need to think long term. We also need to face a hard reality there is no way to protect some outmoded US industries, at least not till we have competitive products. We can’t just build tractor factories. We should do more to help them transition, but no more pandering to protectionist special interest delusions.
November 11, 2005 2:35 PM | Reply | Permalink
Like I said...for what it is worth.
The problem is there is no way to successfully represent people with a screwed up mindset.
There are Democrat vs Republican issues where each side basically has a doable plan, it’s just a matter of debatable approach and specifics. But then there are issues where some special interests are just kooky and would sink us all if they got what they wanted.
Fundamentalists would be one example because there is no way we could become a religiously fundamentalist country, Darwin would ultimately win and we’d self destruct. Similarly there is no way we can become a protectionist country and pander to some kooks in labor, because macro economic realities would ultimately win, and we’d just self destruct.
November 11, 2005 2:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
You know, it would be easy to get angry with this guy, but you know what? At least he's honest. This is what the liberal intelligentsia thinks of us, they just couch it in flowery language. So thanks, man, for putting it like this. Very helpful.
RG
November 11, 2005 3:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
At least he's honest.
Which is more than one can say for Republican provocateurs who would rather keep American labor ignorant of reality so Republicans can continue fleecing them.
At least some Democrats attempt to deal honestly with labor. I suppose some fools would rather be pandered to by the short sighted hacks in Labor Leadership or politicians who make promises they know they can’t keep. Or maybe some geniuses will punish Democratic honesty by voting Republican, cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
November 11, 2005 4:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
Look at the crappy cars Americans are making compared with the Japanese. We can't sell our pickups and SUV globally. The problem is the product stinks, and no amount of protectionism would sell American clunkers to Japan or avoid the fact that American cars are mostly crap.
But the reason Japanese cars are better is because their engineering and design is better, not because they treat workers like crap. Japan is an advanced First World democracy and I have no problem trading with them. If we're getting outcompeted by Japan on something, it's probably because they really are better at it than us. It's "free trade" with the scum of the world (e.g. China) that really gets my goat.
November 11, 2005 6:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
labor doesn't think macro-economically
Of course it doesn't! No one thinks "macroeconomically" when their own job is at stake. No one can be expected to. Do you think Americans should be eager to immolate themselves on the altar of the greater glory of GDP?
Look, it doesn't matter where you want to point the finger or who you think is to blame. The raw fact is that if the current jobs/wage situation continues in America, free trade is dead. Imagine an election where the two major candidates are Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader. It may not be far off.
November 11, 2005 6:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
Politically labor represented a major part of our base at one point Nick...a very important part. Their GOTV efforts were key in our electoral success up until the mid 80's. Then the democrats turned their backs on labor. Sure labor is issue specific and takes positions that all of the party might not agree with. But so do other interest groups like pro-choice, gay/lesbian, environmental and free trade groups. As labor's membership dwindled so did our success at the polls and I firmly believe it wasn't coincidental.
You can try to set labor up as a strawman all you want but labor didn't cause the problems in the auto industry, as an example. The lion's share of the blame goes on management's shoulders for being reactive instead of proactive. They were riding high then the market changed, the people who ran the companies were slow to react and labor took the fall. Labor was more the victim of the failure and not the cause...
November 11, 2005 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The countries that have been forced to follow the Washngton Consensus by the IMF or World Bank (e.g. Argentina) or accepted the Washington Consensus because of bad advice (e.g. Russia), paid heavily for it. Those countries that became economic powerhouse (e.g. US) certainly did not follow free trade policies on the way up; those countries that are becoming economic powerhouses (e.g. China) certainly don't follow free trade policies. For other developing countries, free trade policies mean domestic industrial development is squelched and they become one-crop/product monocultures that usually impoverish more than they improve standards of living.
In the US, free market policies practised since Raygun have meant stagnating wages, CEO incomes 431 times of the average earner, 10% of the profits of corporations going to the top five executives in the corporations, the most inequitable income and wealth distribution in the developed countries, the most expensive but arguably the worst healthcare system among the developed countries (37th worldwise), the highest poverty level of the developed countries and the biggest debtor in the world, requiring massive purchases of American debt by principally Asian and Middle Eastern central banks to keep our economy afloat.
Capitalism in the US is becoming unsustainable because the middle class is being hollowed-out and consumer spending has been supported by real estate loans in a period of rising interest rates.
So what is to be done? Are we going to be a nation with a tiny elite controlling the wealth and income and the rest of the country made-up of the unemployed, underemployed and low wage earners? Should we take comfort that do to globalization we've become the exemplar of free trade policies when looked at on a worldwide basis?
If that is to be the lot of the US, real democracy has to be jettisoned; sham elections can stay for PR purposes. Perhaps it's just as well that Bush's policiy of permanent war for a police state are coming along nicely.
November 12, 2005 6:12 AM | Reply | Permalink
It was never learned except by a few visionaries and the corporate executives after WWII who didn't want America to slip back into the Great Depression with millions of men coming home from war who had been trained to and had, in fact, killed.
November 12, 2005 6:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
Honest in the sense that you say what you think, I guess, but it still doesn't mean you're right!
>>Labor has been protectionist for years.
All of labor? Sure, you can point to actions of the UAW at some point. Are the Farm Workers protectionist? The SEIU? It's not just the "protectionists" who are taking it on the chin. It's the working class as a whole, and more than them, it includes highly educated technical peopls as well.
I question the entire mindset that says America's future is to be the managers of the world's production. It's not a sustainable strategy. Eventually, enough people in the countries to which work is offshored will become competent to manage their own inducstries, while the American managers will have distanced themselves so long from actual production that the offshored managers will outstrip them in knowledge and talent.
At that point the American managerial elite will have become totally parasitical, and it will be overthrown. You can't train new generations of managers totally apart from the systems they are supposed to be managing.
Now, I don't question everything you say. You spoke earlier of funding a biotech initiative. Well and good. But what stops it from being offshored ten years down the road?
What we need is a balanced economy. If it's wrong to see America as infinitely able to maintain a middle-class lifestyle for low-skill labor, it's also wrong to envision America as infinitely able to maintain an upper-class lifestyle for a small stratum. The supposed American "technological genius" is not innate. It came, as Thomas Edison so well put it, "98% from perspiration". The visions you are putting forward don't take this into account.
Finally, if America must ultimately have a standard of living closer to that of the world, and if you don't want a violent reaction from ignorant "protectionists" to spoil your vision, isn't it time you urged some sort of "shared sacrifice" policy? If the American standard of living must inevitably decline, shouldn't we stop rewarding so handsomely those relatively few Americans who perform the tasks that immiserate the others?
November 12, 2005 7:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Speaking as a left wing self righteous neo-Marxist hippy reactionary labor protectionist zealot with a monolithic point of view, I have to agree with David Sirota's earlier point that free trade is a political issue dressed up in the quasi-economic ideology of the moustache of understanding types.
Nick Doe seems to believe that the Democratic Party has been captive to protectionist forces in the labor movement. How many pieces of protectionist legislation has the labor movement gotten passed in the last thirty years? Has the Democratic Party even attempted to pass any labor protectionist legislation in the last thirty years? Perhaps I blinked and missed them.
Free trade utopian Democrats would like to convince us that Clintonesque free trade initiatives, with a Democratic stamp of approval and the blessing of the moustache of understanding, could be a powerful force for improving the lives of working Americans, if we could only get it right. Sirota is correct that trade policy bleeds into many different parts of our economy. It is also correct that corporate interests will always dominate the structure of free trade legislation until the Democratic Party rejects the beltway consensus championed by the moustache of understanding centrists.
November 13, 2005 4:01 AM | Reply | Permalink