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Jim and I want to thank everyone for their thoughtful comments and perspectives, and we want to thank Charlie Kupchan as well for raising important points.  We've tried in our posts this week to give a flavor of the argument of our book, and also to answer some of the points that have been raised.


Jim earlier today reflected on the important question of whether Bush and his advisors lied about the WMD intelligence. Surely an important issue to discuss on the day the first indictments resulting from this episode are handed down. Let me address the other major question left hanging in the discussions we've had this week (as well as last week, when George Packer joined the café: Why did Bush Go to War? Since Jim and I argue that Bush led his own revolution, it is crucial to understand why the president -- as opposed to, say, Karl Rove or Scooter Libby -- thought it necessary to invade Iraq.  It was it Bush who made the ultimate decision, and it is he who must bear the responsibility for all that has gone wrong.

There were essentially three major reasons why Bush decided to invade Iraq.  First, the 9/11 attacks changed his -- as well as many other people's -- risk calculus.  Living with an Iraq ruled by a brutal dictator with evident appetite for nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction may have been tolerable before the twin towers were brought down, it wasn't acceptable to Bush after that horrendous attack.  What brought this new calculus home to Bush were reports just weeks after 9/11 that another attack, this time using radiological or possibly even nuclear weapons, was in the offing  .The most likely source for such weapons were states -- rogue states -- which is why Bush would soon insist that the real threat facing America was composed of the nexus between terrorists, tyrants, and technologies of mass destruction, the true "axis of evil."


The second reason for the Iraq War was related to this last point.  When Bush looked at the world, whether it was before or after 9/11, what he saw was the threat posed by states rather than by non-state actors, including terrorist groups.  He made this clear the very night of the attacks, declaring "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them." Or as one administration official later put it, "the principal strategic thoughts underlying our strategy in the war on terrorism is the importance of the connection between terrorist organizations and their state sponsors." This explains why Bush focused less on combating the terrorists than on going after state sponsors -- first Afghanistan (home to al Qaeda), then Iraq (which, even though its ties to terrorism had frayed, represented a lucrative target).


The search for lucrative targets represented the third main reason for the Iraq War.  For Bush and his top advisers believed that one reason -- the main reason -- why the United States had been attacked on 9/11 was that it had not responded forcefully enough to past attacks. "They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole," Bushsaid   of the terrorists last August. "They concluded that free societies lack the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy." Given this analysis, it was essential that America prove them wrong -- by demonstrating strength and resolve.  Toppling the Taliban was the first step -- and because it turned out to be so easy, going after Saddam was a logical next step.  Indeed, had not Iraq proven to be such a disaster, there is little doubt that Syria, Iran, and who knows else what have been next.


So that's why we ended up where we did.  Which leaves one final point before closing this discussion of America Unbound. Jim and I wrote this book in an effort to explain what was happening to our foreign policy.  There are already enough books making the case for why Bush is right or wrong -- we wanted to explain why Bush did what he did.  But anyone reading the conclusion of our book or any of our many, many newspaper articles we co-authored over the last four years (all available here or our contributions to this blog knows that our effort to explain is not an effort to applaud. To the contrary, we think the Bush Revolution is profoundly mistaken -- with consequences that are dangerous for us all.  But many of you already know that, which is why we focused our book -- and this discussion -- on trying to explain rather than judge.


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No doubt the reasons W. decided to go to war are numerous and mostly inscrutable, but he's on the record about one of them: there's that interview from '98 or '99 where he says that you can't be a truly Great President without a military conquest, and he's determined to be a Great President.

    I don't buy it. Bush wanted an excuse long before 9/11 to take out Sadam. He also wanted to invade Iraq before Afganistan, but was convinced that the allies would not go along. If Bush was truly concerned about WMD, he would have let the inspectors do their jobs. Your description of Bush would require someone with some depth and sincerity. That Bush doesn't exist. 

I don't buy it. Bush wanted an excuse long before 9/11 to take out Sadam.

That is the fatal flaw in that explanation. I do agree that Bush wanted to be a great president, with the definition of "great" being, "better than Daddy". However, if you assume, as I do, that Bush is not capable mentally, then perhaps the logic presented has some validity. I think we underestimate the deficiency in this President's mental abilities. And that deficiency, combined with his absurd self confidence, could well have led him to believe that he had decided to invade Iraq as a response to 9/11. I'm not a psychologist, and I suspect one has to be to hope to understand Bush.

Your case might stand the test if it were not for the elephants in the room-

We were not attacked by Iraq.  We were attacked by Osama Bin Laden.  If Bush wanted the American people to follow him on his own personal quest, he should not have let Bin Laden escape to Pakistan, which is the other elephant.

When A.Q. Khan was running his open air bazaar for nuke parts to which the "Open for Business" sign was on the door for anyone and anybody to read, there was no Bush worry about that enterprise.  When Bin Laden walked into Pakistan it was like trotting home off an out of the park hit.  Musharraf, once he had his nuclear weapons, was forced to shut down Khan- but not till he gave him a "Presidential Medal of Honor" and a pardon.  Bush not only allowed this to happen but reneged on the "No Distinction" pledge in Musharraf's case.  Had he gone into Pakistan and flushed Osama, he would have had all the weight he needed to tell Saddam- "since we were in the neighborhood we thought we would drop in"- and would have had the support of a scared, and revenge filled electorate.

Iraq was on the menu from day one, after Cheney's energy task force informed him the Saudi's were running out of oil and despite all the bribes paid to Saddam under the Oil for Food program, that bastard had signed contracts with the French and the Russians, but not them.  This and some misguided notion that we need permanent client bases in the Middle East to keep a handle on China sealed Saddam's fate.  Taking on Saddam was like pulling out a punching bag and going a few rounds.

Taking on the Iraqi people, however, is not turning out so easy.... 

 

There is way too much evidence piled up that Bush et alia had prepared their minds well in advance of 9/11, for the "opportunity" to seize Iraq.  The whole PNAC thing had as its centerpiece, the earnest hope for such an opportunity.

And, there is also the evidence for how the war in Iraq was conducted.  There was no serious effort made to secure even the weapons stockpiles, which we knew about, let alone the ones, we supposedly imagined might be there.

The thirst for Empire played a part, here, and the policy appears aimed at a permanent American presence.  The "search for lucrative targets" hardly covers such ambitions. 

I agree. I don't discount any of the things laid out above, but I just can't get past this passage:

According to Herskowitz, George W. Bush's beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House - ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. "Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade."

Bush's circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: "They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches."
It just fits perfectly with everything we've seen, particularly with Bush's impetuous carrier appearance.

Thanks you Garamond.  That was the very first objection that occurred to me as well.

“As Magus Tabor always said:  There is an insufficient reason for everything” (453).

Ivo, I don't agree with your analysis. I think Frank Rich had it right in last Sunday's NY Times. First, Bush and Rove wanted the invasion because as Rove said before the RNC in January 2002 the Republicans could use the war on terrorism to their political advantage because the Republicans were perceived by the country as being stronger on national seccurity issues. This fit perfectly with Bush's publicly stated belief that a President needed to be a War President. This worked as Republicans did well in the 2002 and 2004 Congressional elections and "won" (stole?) the 2004 Presidential election. Second the Rummy/Cheney cabal wanted to invade for pre-9/11 reasons - stealing Iraqi oil (see the released maps of Iraqi oil fields from Cheney's infamous secret 2001 energy meetings) and highly debatable neo-con beliefs about bringing democracy to the the region and helping Israel's security. These two groups in conjunction with Chalabi, Tony Blair (a future position with the Carlyle group ala John Major perhaps used as bait), Bertulusconi (sp? again), and a few others pulled off a con job on enough Americans that the worldwide demonstrations of 2/15/2003 were not enough of an uprising to forestall their invasion of Iraq. That's it. Pure and simple. No need for 60,000 word essays or 600 page books to explain all sorts of intricate theories. This was chicanery and stupidity period!

First of all, there were many in the administration who wanted to invade and occupy Iraq, not just Bush.  That he bears ultimate responsibility for the decision does not mean his reasons for going to war are the only ones that matter.  We might not have gone to war if the Pentagon, Vice President's office, Rove, and others didn't want to do it.  Their support, and their reasoning, doubtless influenced Bush, as it should.

Second, and more importantly, we should be thinking more broadly about this.  Sure, the White House wanted to prove their mettle, particularly that it was serious about the 2002 National Security Strategy, in which the executive branch claimed authority to engage in preventive (rather than pre-emptive) war.  But why was Iraq the target of choice?  Surely there were any number of defenseless countries that hadn't attacked us that we could have cooked up an excuse for invading.  Let's forget for a moment whether we'll sound sophisticated at cocktail parties and just state the obvious: Iraq sits on a giant bed of oil and therefore has enormous (a) economic implications for a narrow strain of U.S. elites, and (b) geopolitical implications for the U.S.  These explanations that don't include oil verge on mind-boggling.

Another reason was domestic politics.  The public has never felt easy about the economy since Bush took office.  Corporate scandals looked like they could make a difference in the 2002 elections.  Resort to military adventures to distract the country from other things is a tried and true technique for leaders all over the world, in all eras.  Given the gullibility of the public after 9/11, 2002 America was particularly susceptible to such maneuvering.  And it worked.  If anyone has any doubt about this point, remember the timing of the war resolution.  That simply could not have been a coincidence.

Finally, consider a point that, again, might make for awkward cocktail chatter but is nevertheless true.  The U.S. planned from the very beginning to expropriate Iraq's economy.  When we began the occupation of Iraq, we didn't just privatize Iraqi industries: we put those industries in the hands of U.S. companies before the locals had a chance to weigh in.  Incidentally, that's the opposite of democracy, so claims about hoping to spread democracy are simply bogus.  But for our purposes here, the economic colonization of Iraq simply cannot be ignored as a reason for going to war. 

Your first reason why Bush went to war--that 9/11 changed the calculus--is wrong on its face.  We now know that Bush's very first NSC meeting on January 20, 2001, was focused on Iraq, and that Rumsfeld went away from that meeting tasked with "examin(ing) our military options," specifically "how it might look" to use U.S, ground forces in the north and south of Iraq and how armed forces could support groups inside the country who would help challenge Saddam Hussein. 
Ivo, based on the bulk of your comments, your usually astute analysis and your resume, I would expect better.  The historical question is why this administration came in with an idee fixe of taking out Saddam.  9/11, as O'Neill/Suskind and Clarke make clear, simply gave them a setting to put the plan into action, and it was, in fact, the one they wanted to pursue first, before bothering with the people who had actually attacked us.  The question still remains, WHY??!?

Or as Wallace Stevens said in Connoisseur of Chaos, “The squirming facts exceed the squamous mind.”   

Great points from all, but I actually think the most and least cynical motivations attributed to Mr. Bush and the neoconservative cabal were the principle reasons for invading Iraq, notably securing a secure source of oil in an increasingly unfriendly region, establishing a strategic foothold in the mideast outside Saudi Arabia, and the notion that liberal democracy would come quickly and bloodlessly to Iraq, making it both a pro-western nation and cause (as if by elfen magic) much of the Arab world to bloodlessly transition to democracy in short order.

Typo alert.  First NSC meeting was 1/30/2001.

Why? Revenge for the assassination attempt on W's dad, frustration that we didn't go to Baghdad in 1991, & the emergence of the neo-cons who could fulfill their pre-911 dreams. That and the fact that Dr. Evil (Cheney) may be so ill with heart disease that he's not too tightly wrapped (if he ever was).

This explains why Bush focused less on combating the terrorists than on going after state sponsors -- first Afghanistan (home to al Qaeda), then Iraq (which, even though its ties to terrorism had frayed, represented a lucrative target).


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Toppling the Taliban was the first step -- and because it turned out to be so easy, going after Saddam was a logical next step.


So, why did Bush go to war?  Because Iraq was a "lucrative target," that was a "logical next step" after the easy win in Afghanistan.  What made Iraq lucrative?  Why was it logical?  I'm reading and re-reading the passage, and I don't see it.  It's not-too-subtle question begging: attacking Iraq was a good idea because it was a lucrative, logical idea.  The question of why remains unanswered.


   



I've looked at the three points several times, and they each strike me as half right.


I think the Bush White House thinking was more penetrating and simple.


The focus on 'states' is a reflection of these people's essential theory of the world still functioning via forms of feudalism.  (In a word, denial that democracy is anything other than a con run by Big Men.)  Big Men run variously sized empires and fight each other- some empires have the name 'state', others the name 'corporation', and yet others 'religion' or 'ethnic group'.  Bin Laden fell between the cracks, pretty much...his historical model is the 12th century Hashashin, the form of rule with the methods we get the two words 'hashish' and 'assassin' from.


I don't believe the Bush people considered '9/11' a complete change of the logic of the world.  It was merely a way of doing things that surprised them and suppressed the democratic impulses of their constituents- a suppression they figured they could make or keep fairly permanent.  They looked a '9/11' coldly and saw an attack in which 500 people were deliberately killed by 20 by a misuse of unprotected industrial machinery, and 2,500 others were largely unlucky.


The story with Iraq was that Hussein was (a) militarily weak, yet (b) an offense to their and American vanity, and (c) got away in 1991, much as North Korea did in 1951 and Vietnam in 1972-75.  Outside an American context, Hussein was also (d) a residual one of the various smaller Stalinisms that the Soviet Union erected around the world during the Cold War to damage American interests.  Republican wars of choice are always waged against opponents who are weak (or at least appear it).  Vanity is the usual motive, despite the pretexts, and Vietnam was still an itch the former Nixon crowd vehemently needed scratched.


If you backtrack the Iraq war preparations and players, the crowd that turns out to be important is the old Nixon hands.  The neocons were useful allies for purposes of marketing and planning and such, but the old Nixon hands had and dispensed the power and controlled the design.  The central figure is not Bush, it's Cheney.

I'm on board with those that have noted that the desire to invade Iraq was demonstrated well before 9/11...Paul O'Neil's notes are exhibit one.


But if we're going to restrict the analysis to W's reasons alone, we can't forget the motivation for revenge - Saddam's attempted hit on his dad.  Oh, and I don't think 43 wants to outshine his dad...it's more like he wants to outshine Jeb, the one that everyone else in the family assumed would be president.


Oh, and were the 14 permanent air bases that we've built to replace the Saudi bases and maintain some degree of hegemony over "our" oil  in any way his idea, or someone else's?

And that deficiency, combined with his absurd self confidence, could well have led him to believe that he had decided to invade Iraq as a response to 9/11.


Bush thought Saddam was a bad man. After all he was there when his father the President fought a war with the guy. And he did take to heart the fact that the dealings with Iraq cost his father the election. He always had it in for the guy, and I believe Clinton told the truth about what Bush told him on Jan. 20th or so, 2001. (In spite of the fact I don't think Clinton is the most honest guy in the universe.)


I'm not saying the guy is deficient, I'm saying the guy had a hardon for Saddam, speaking as someone who lived only a coupla miles away from the Bush's house back in the 80's and early 90's. His military advisors told him he couldn't and shouldn't deal with Pakistan and that bin Laden was dead, and furthermore, everybody and his dog in R circles thought 9/11 was caused by Hussein.


Everything else Ivo there cites as being the reasoning behind the attack are just rationalizations for PR purposes. Or to put it another way, those are the internal talking points - the talking points used to talk themselves into doing what they wanted to do anyways. Once they started down that road, all the other theoretical considerations were warped around the idea of getting Saddam.


It's not stupidity. Bush is very very able politically. He has always had his eyes open towards using terrorism and the drive to war as a domestic political bludgeon.


It's much simpler than that. These guys obsessed for so long about Iraq that the assumptions behind the obsession became fossilized and hard as rock. Half of fucking Washington shares (or shared) the same obsessions.


Christ, look at the way the people around Stalin or Hitler or many other more sane (but staunchly top-down) leaders developed entire mythologies to justify their overriding obsessions. Hell, consider the Clinton White House (and the vast right-wing conspiracy).


{sigh} Complex abstract descriptions of post hoc rationalizations seems to me to giving entirely too much credit to simple opportunistic behaviour. But demonizing the dude isn't my thrust here; lots of people share(d) his obsession, and I don't need to think he's capital-E Evil to or capital-R Retarded to think that he fixated on one thing.


Certainly Cold War anti-communism thrived on making mountains out of molehills, as has, for that matter, anti-terrorism during this decade. Christ, that one looney woman wrote an entire book about some vaguely Middle Eastern dudes on an airplane checking their watches, thus demonstrating they were terrorists, and people took it seriously.


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['See also: aprophrenia, Occam's Razor.']

Given your three reasons -- Saddam wanted nukes, terrorist have state sponsors, we had to attack someone to not look weak -- it's plainly clear just how completely wrong BushCo was.


Lots of people want nukes, but because of the inspections Saddam was far from getting them. Terrorist cells don't need state sponsors. And attacking the wrong country actually makes you look pretty stupid, if not weak.


But I really disagree with the whole premise that Bush thought all this stuff through. He's nothing more than a spoiled rich kid who went through life getting by on his parents' money, his parents' connections, and his own special way of bullshitting everyone (see: Bush's Dazzling of Press on Campaign Trail).


No, the eight minutes of frozen inaction on the morning of 9/11 was the real Bush.

Sometimes the real reasons are right under your nose.

This all sounds great ... and oh so sober and rational.  Straight out of a textbook.  But as most of the other commentators have already pointed out, there is ample historical evidence of the fact that the Bush administration came into office wanting to do Iraq from the get-go.  They didn't need no stinkin' 9/11 or WMDs - those events just greased the skids.

The most compelling reason for attack for them was your third one - and it was a reason they already found fully compelling even before 9/11.  They believed that the Clinton administration, and even the Bush I administration, had been embarrassingly weak and timid in the face of America's enemies.  They thought Clinton had made the country vulnerable to attack by failing to respond aggressively and resolutely across a whole range of provocations.  They felt he had humiliated us.  They wanted to send a global message, and send the next guy who even looked at us funny to Hades.

It wasn't Saddam's threat to the US that provoked them.  Please! It was his very weakness that was the problem, and the source of our national humiliation.  Saddam was a miserable little Middle East Arab piss-ant.  And when he thumbed his nose at us for a decade, Clinton had done nothing except launch a few cruise missiles!  Oh, the shame!  Their idea was that when some rube like Saddam defies the United States, you just kill him right away, and his family, and his friends, and you topple his stupid little government - and then you say to the world  "OK, any of the rest of you punks feeling lucky?  Make our day!!"  That's how you keep the world in line in Cheney-land.

I think the attitude I just described reflects the thinking of many key people in the Bush I administration.  As for Bush himself, its even simpler.

George W. Bush is not Marcus Aurelius.  He is not driven by a foreign policy theory of some kind, or even a comprehensive strategy.  Do you think he actually wrote his second inaugural address?  Do you think he wrote any of those foreign policy speeches he gave on the stump in 1999 or 2001?  Do you think he even understood the Condi Rice-authored words he was mouthing?  Bush is a much simpler, cruder and more self-centered fellow - more earthy and passionate than the national security strategist you describe.  I suspect these are the kinds of thoughts that dominated his own mind in 2002:

-- That Saddama bin Laden guy is an evil terrorist.  They're all terrorits.

-- Saddama is also an asshole who tried to kill my dad.

-- Americans will think I am really cool if I take out Saddam.  And I want to be a war President.  Winning wars is what all the great Presidents did - like President Washington and President Franklin and President Patton.

-- I know God wants me to be President, and he wants me to attack the Arabs.  I can feel it!

-- Dad screwed up when he didn't kill Saddama.  People liked Reagan better.  I'm going to be more like Reagan - there must be some medical students we can rescue somewhere, or some people to free.  "Mr. Bin Hussein, tear down that wall!"

-- That Middle East place needs to be fixed.  It is a cesspool of violent and fanatical America-hating crackpots - all the way from Egypt to Whateveristan.  AIPAC is always bugging me to take care of it, and so are Dick and the oil guys.  It's time to clean out the stables.

-- After we demolish Iraq, I can give all my friends jobs in the reconstruction.  The oil will flow freely; the price will drop; the construction opportunities will abound; we'll be able to buy any weapons systems we need - they'll love me.  And the campaign donations in 2004 will be unprecedented.  I'll be President forever!

We also have to remember that in 2002 the country was gripped by a xenophobic and jingoistic war fever.  There was a tremendous national impulse for war.  The reason it was so ridiculously easy to "sell" the war is that most Americans did not need to be sold.  They just wanted to attack something.  They especially wanted to kill a bunch of Arabs - or "camel jockeys" or "sand niggers" or "ragheads" or one of the other colorful terms that could be heard up and down the AM radio dial in those days.  It was "those people" after all who had attacked us.  The media was already investing millions sending people into the theater, and training and equipping them.  They were working out the embedding arrangements with the Pentagon.  There was no way they were going to pull their people out without getting their war - that would be throwing money down the drain.  The popular US attitude toward the UN charade was "C'mon...what is all this UN crap?!  Let's get on with it!

There were two very important reasons for the US to go this war. First, it was clear that the sanctions that had destabilized and weakened Iraq, were collapsing and it appeared that they would not remain tenable for a long time.

But the second and the most important reason, the US admin never came out and made it in public, was the most compelling one for people who knew the stakes in Iraq.
There was a legitimate concern in two successive US administrations and in Europe that Iraq under Saddam was a likely candidate to fall under the terrorist influence.

The Bin Laden group had some great successes in Africa and the ME against the US in mid to late 90s. A terrorist group in isolation can be dealt with but if that group happens to have protection from some state, dealing with it becomes extremely difficult. (Check the number of terrorist attacks by Bin Laden group before and after they became a part of the Taliban regime.)

It was feared that since Saddam is weakening with every passing day and he was constantly in conflict with Saudi Arabia, he would end up making a deal with Anti Saudi terrorist led by Bin Laden to regain lost prestige in the Arab world and internal political strength. Once the terrorist had a state for support around the Middle East, both Saudi and Israeli would be under immediate threat.

The US wanted him out first, install a new regime, and then provide support for stability. Clinton Admin supported the idea of regime change in Iraq and would have certainly done something about it but its own problems and the Bosnia situation handcuffed the Clinton Admin.

The Bush admin knew that the stained dress had weakened the Clinton admin and it was unable to take extreme measures against the terrorism and Iraq. It became Bush’s task number one to find a way to get to Iraq as soon as possible. In this sense it was a preemptive strike and if I recall correctly, President Clinton supported preemptive strike against Iraq too. http://www.usembassy.it/file9801/alia/98121608.htm

911 provided that opportunity.

Now it was just a matter of selling the war against Iraq to the US public. That is where the Bush admin bungled. Instead of trying to invent the reason for the war, they should have made a better attempt in linking Iraq with the terrorism. I can understand the admin’s dilemma. This linkage was impossible in the absence of any hard links between Iraq and Bin Laden. There was no way the US public would have bought a war based on some postulations no matter how real they were for the US admin. Though, this theme was softly peddled to the US Public.

On top of all that the admin miscalculated in Iraq. The first and the biggest mistake was dismantling of the Iraqi army. The jobless army personnel provided the first wave of anti-US resistance and now it has been picked by several groups.

>What brought this new calculus home to Bush were reports just weeks after 9/11 that another attack, this time using radiological or possibly even nuclear weapons, was in the offing  <
The problem with that March 3, 2002 Washington Post article by Barton Gellman "Fears Prompt U.S. to Beef Up Nuclear Terror Detection" is the way it is sourced.  The source of the article is given as "recent interviews with U.S. government policymakers"   and there are quotes like this
>"Clearly . . . the sense of urgency has gone up," said a senior government policymaker on nuclear, biological and chemical terror. Another high-ranking official said, "The more you gather information, the more our concerns increased about al Qaeda's focus on weapons of mass destruction of all kinds."<
In addition to these "policy makers" and "high-ranking officials" there were "President Bush's national security team" and also participants certain "tabletop exercises" some "as high as Cabinet level" and it was one of these last who claimed that the "intelligence community"
>believes that al Qaeda could already control a stolen Soviet-era tactical nuclear warhead or enough weapons-grade material to fashion a functioning, if less efficient, atomic bomb.<
It seems to me that what we have here is the first stirrings of the White House Iraq Group starting to stir the pot for war against "rogue states" for fear that the smoking gun would be a mushroom cloud. 
To suggest that reports like this caused Bush to change his "calculus" seems to get things backward.  Key people in the administration wanted to invade "rogue countries," they convinced Bush that getting Saddam, like his dad didn't, was the key to Bush the Younger's self actualization, got his OK, and then started to call up reporters and plant stories like this.

"What he [Feith] saw was the threat posed by states rather than by non-state actors, including terrorist groups."

Fascinating that two reasonably reasonable, reasonably well-informed people (Feith (and HP) and me) could disagree on something as fundamental as this. (Happens all the time--also fascinating.)

Seems obvious to me that we had no way to know so much about Iraq as HP supposes we did. Did we KNOW the regime was sliding to embrace of sponsorship of terrorism, and sliding so fast we had to act fast?

What we did know in my view is that as between Iraq and Iran, it was Iran was actively sponsoring terrorism, and it hardly made sense for us to do its work in Iraq, to make Iraq vulnerable to its ministrations.

And we knew in my view that our power was much more than sufficient to deter any action by any state that amounted to an attack on an identifiably American target of any military significance.

So Feith and the administration and HP got or get it exactly wrong. A newly emergent danger, terroist NGOs, so to speak, is the great fear. But states, all other states, remain eminently deterrable when it comes to attacks on American targets. Our power is very great and very good at deterrence of attack coming from sources we can retalitate against.

But now it comes from sources we can't retalitate against--non-state actors.

And precipitate attacks against, let alone occupations of, states may prove highly counterproductive in making life difficult for the non-state actors we now have to fear.

Your three points are far from irrational, however, I think that you left out an important bit of context.

Back in 2000, back before 9-11, back before the day when  our history and future were supposedly changed (and, though I'm a New Yorker and an America and recognize the signifigcance of 9-11, I don't see it as necessarily history-changing or future-changing, but see both of those results as decisions we made with consequences we now deal with) Bush campaigned for President as a near isolationist.  Apologies, by the way, for my long and jarring parenthetical and for this long and jarring apology.

Bush campaigned as an isolationist and, even if with a lot of help from the Supreme Court, won the presidency as an isolationist, without a mandate but despite the controversey, with popular support within rounding error margin of 50%.  Think back to then, even as a Democrat, and you have to remember that, if you were asked if, 6 years later, we'd be occupying two countries at once and dealing with a majoy insurgency against out presence in Iraq and, whether you're right or left, love Bush or hate him, I bet you would have said "not possible."

Did 9-11 change things?

Sure.  But it also revealed things.

In terms of Iraq and your first two points... the right had been planning to overthrow Saddam and to remake that country for years.  Hell, the right criticized Bush's father for not doing so a decade before.  So, one could take your point 1 at face value, say that state sponsors or terrorism, or suspected state sponsors of terrorism, had become legitimate targets, and leave it at that.  Left at that, I wouldn't necessarily disagree.  However, it was not left at that, in context.  Was 9-11 an event that changed policies?  Sure.  But it was also an event that created an opening for a lot of right wing policy makers who had craved another Iraq war during nearly a decade during which an event like 9-11 was unthinkable, or a nightmare fantasy, to pundits on both sides of the politcal debate.  Seriously, did 9-11 change things, or just create some politically viable opportunities for people who had, before then, strongly held views that were so outside of the mainstream that Colin Powell, who led the first Gulf War, had dismissed them?

As for your third point, which you call "our need for lucrative targets" but describe as our need to strike some terror and to make an example out of any conceivable threat to the US... well, again, I'm convinced you're smart and I buy your logic, but... who have been the real threats to the US since 2000?  Our newfoun allies in Pakistan nuclearized in violation of international treaties.  Our trading partners in India have done the same.  But at least both wanted and developed their nukes out of fear from each other, rather than us.  Iran wanted nukes and almost got them.  But they wanted them in order to deter Iraq, lest the sanctions be lifted.  Iraq, according to CIA agent Charles Duelfer's report, wanted nukes too.  But not to use against the US.  They wanted them in order to deal with... Iran.  China, so nuclearized that they could vaporize the US (and, of course, vivce versa and MAD again, but this time, more in our favor) is another favored trading partner.  North Korea wanted them and at least secretly leaked the notion of hitting Hawaii.   So... countries are going nuclear, which shouldn't suprise us, since we're nuclear and since it's paid off for us.  But... Iraq?  For one thing, they weren't developing WMD except in the fantasties of their government ministers.  For another thing, even if those fantasies were fulfilled, Iran was more their target than us.  For yet another, even if we were their target, they couldn't pull it off.  So, of all the dangerous counties I've droaned on about here... we chose Iraq?  Come on.

I know that you're trying to explain, rather than justify, what's happened.  But, to me, an honest explanation should read more like a true failure of judgment, for idealogical reasons that had nothing to do with the facts of the world, than an honest mistake.  it was there side, after all, who coined the term "reality based," and who used it as an insult. 

 

 

 

 

 

To establish 14 military bases in Iraq securing a foothold in the region, in keeping with The Project for a New American Century.

The plan was in place long before 9/11.


Saddam had begun to trade oil for euros instead of US dollars.


Because Rumsfeld said, "Afghanistan has no good targets."


Because Bush wanted to seize the moment to become "A War President."


Now what were you saying about Bush's foreign policy?

 "First, the 9/11 attacks changed his -- as well as many other people's -- risk calculus.  Living with an Iraq ruled by a brutal dictator with evident appetite for nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction may have been tolerable before the twin towers were brought down, it wasn't acceptable to Bush after that horrendous attack. "

I do not buy this at all. There were strong indications that emerged from Clarke, and the former Treasury Secretary that BushCheney decided to take over Iraq BEFORE 9/11. In fact, it seems to be the only way to understand the way the US prosecuted the Afghan war that the decision to invade Iraq was already fixed.

Flees2/Frank Rich are right – it’s impossible to discuss the reasons we invaded without including domestic political considerations.
 
Simply put, Bush had an unpopular agenda and needed high poll numbers to enact it. Not only did the buildup to the war help secure GOP dominance of Congress in 2002, it also gave Bush his second round of tax cuts, which were judged in trouble ante bellum (I believe he started stumping for those tax cuts within just a few days of the aircraft carrier landing, with poll numbers in the upper 80s).

And then of course came the use of the War President pose to win re-election.

Any way you slice it, the thousand or so American KIA prior to November 2004 were the down payment on Bush’s reelection, and the thousand since are the interest payments.




   Failure of judgement is a good explanation, but I think you have to consider the possibility that Bush is actually trying to hurt the country.  How could a mole do a better job? 

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However, they didn't consider that the collective awareness of the American public wants to gravitate toward wearing the white hat. The Plame incident is only part of the stupendous cost of trying to blind the country to what is being done in their name. They thought the end would justify the means, but they misjudged.

Baloney is right!

Unfortunately, Ivo isn't interested in understand why Bush went to war, he's only interested in projecting why Ivo Daalder might want to go to war.   He insists upon coming up with a "rational" explanation for what was clearly a non-rational act on Bush's part.

The DC think tank intellectuals seem to be compelled to come up with excuses and explanations for Bush's behavior in order to keep themselves in business.   But the only real explanation for Bush's actions is that Bush wanted to go to war because Bush wanted to go to war.   It was a completely insane decision, and its execution reflects the complete insanity of the original decision.

Honestly, Ivo, your take on how Bush proceeded seems utterly wrongheaded!  And your analyses are usually so good!  You seem to be granting the Bush administration an internal coherence based on their own prevarications and sleights of hand.

What's clear -- and they've said it themselves, is that they were determined to create their own reality.  That's why it seemed obvious to many of us from the moment we saw a s