Tax Reform
Notwithstanding the fact that the President's commission on tax reform came up with weird and unpopular recommendations, simplifying the tax code is still a good issue. It's an especially good issue for an opposition party that's under no particular obligation to actually engage in the near-impossible task of getting such a bill through the death by a thousand lobbyists that is the legislative process. A couple of outside groups have floated reasonable ideas in this vein, and now here's a proposal from Sen. Ron Wyden that he's given an unfortunate name.
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trying to say the name of that bill. Not good. Somebody get Lakoff on the phone with Wyden--ASAP.
October 27, 2005 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have felt for a long time that the dems should be blowing the horn for radical tax simplification and a slightly increased progressivity of rates, and simply say that they are following the lead of st. ronnie, in '86.
of course, as i've noted before, st. ronnie wouldn't be welcome in the republican party today, but i digress.
October 27, 2005 12:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tax reform sounds like a great idea except when you consider that many people make all sorts of arrangements based on the current tax code.
I am willing to predict based on the 1986 Tax law and listing to Senator Wyden's proposal on CNBC as well as the President's panel, that if enacted real estate prices, will go down appreciably followed by the stock market. Shortly after that whoever is President there will be an effort to unsimplify the taxcode again.
October 27, 2005 12:14 PM | Reply | Permalink
Why don't we all just agree that we need to eliminate taxes? Why the heck should we pay our bills, when we all have children and grandchildren who can pay them for us? So, let's propose eliminating the income tax, and changing Social Security to a borrow as you spend program.
I sometimes think I will forever wander the face of the earth looking for just one politician from any party willing to stand up for the principle that we citizens need to pay for the government we need.
October 27, 2005 12:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
What's interesting is how little relative revenue the various Dem tax plans raise. Even the most ambitious rollback of the Bush plan, taking away all the high income cuts and leaving the middle income ones, only gets you 300 billion over ten years. Not chicken feed, but not enough to dramatically change the fiscal situation and pave the way for new spending. The 2003/2004 Howard Dean was right at least on this: Dems will have to either rollback the entire Bush cut or sharply increase other taxes on high earners if they want new or bigger programs.
October 27, 2005 12:18 PM | Reply | Permalink
1. Eliminate the corporate income tax. Too many smart people running round doing nothing productive but making sure corporations pay less tax.
2. Eliminate the preferential rate for capital gains and dividends.
3. Repeal all tax credits.
4. Repeal the AMT.
5. Repeal the exclusion for muni bond interest.
6. Repeal the charitable deduction.
7. Raise the top rate.
8. Raise the estate tax exemption to something like $5 million, index it for inflation and lower the rate to the highest individual rate.
Unfortunately, tax reform is everyone's second choice.
October 27, 2005 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
My friend at the Wyden's Bend Oregon office called to congratulate me for the White Sox victory.(He's a Red Sox fan, so we're both feelin pretty Soxxy). We discussed some local and state politics, but he did'nt even mention this.We should be shouting this from the Roof Tops!!!.I'm not a big fan of the flat part, but fair and simple sound great to me.
October 27, 2005 12:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
Eliminate the corporate tax and replace it with a corporate or business gross receipts tax (CGRT) . Add up all your revenue from product sales, asset sale, real estate, stocks etc, then pay a simple flat rate based on your industry category. the rate for Law firms may be different rate than manufacturing. Someone a lot smarter than me can figure out what those rates should be.
October 27, 2005 1:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
Honestly, since I'm unmarried and don't have a family I couldn't give a damn. Let a guy who's single and makes $40,000 keep more of his money and we'll talk.
October 27, 2005 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
This is a case where we need to not let the demand for perfection prveent us from championing something. Wyden's plan is far from perfect, but it is orders of magnitude better than anything that the Right is proposing.
October 27, 2005 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's hard to find a conservative who believes s/he depends on services provided by taxpayers. S/he will look at you aghast when you suggest we all use the highways and the schools and the emergency services (such as they are) and a variety of social and economic safety nets we all take for granted. All rightwingers believe they are really self-made -- "pulled myself up by my own bootstraps." They can't stand the notion that they share this country with people who don't agree with them, and that some of those people are making helping to make life a lot easier for all of us.
October 27, 2005 2:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
Full disclosure: I'm a CPA with a master's degree in taxation, and therefore have a vested interest in the tax code retaining mind-numbing levels of complexity...
That said, I do believe that simplifying the individual tax code is a very worthy goal, both practically and politically. But, the devil is always in the details. Much like the social security system, I think the existing tax code should simply be tweaked to make it more straightforward for the 95% of this country that doesn't have to deal with 99% of the tax code.
However, the Wyden plan concerns me a bit. From a purely political perspective, titling it a "flat tax" plan makes me very nervous. I am fundamentally opposed to a strict flat tax system because by definition, it precludes the use of the US tax system to encourage (or discourage) certain policy goals.
There is plenty of merit to the home-mortgage interest deduction, for example, because it uses federal tax policy to encourage home ownership, which I think everyone agrees is an admirable goal and worthy of government subsidy. The AMT (although long overdue for adjustment) also achieves an admirable (to me) policy goal -- ensuring that everyone pays their fair share of tax, no matter how rich the taxpayer or how expensive his/her CPA.
Any fundamental change to the US tax code will undoubtedly create big winners and big losers. Thus, understanding the details is vital.
October 27, 2005 5:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
There is plenty of merit to the home-mortgage interest deduction, for example, because it uses federal tax policy to encourage home ownership, which I think everyone agrees is an admirable goal and worthy of government subsidy. apl
Yeah. Without that subsidy The Donald would be renting a little flea-bag walk-up, and I'd hate to see that. But seriously, how many homeowners are added to the rolls by virtue of that tax subsidy?
For most 25-35 year olds -- those whom we'd most likely be happy to subsidize -- their itemized deduction over the standard deduction isn't large enough to affect their home ownership decision.
The true beneficiaries -- and the real cause of revenue loss to the government -- are the upper income earners, and they don't require a subsidy to induce them to buy homes.
October 27, 2005 6:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
it precludes the use of the US tax system to encourage (or discourage) certain policy goals.
This is exactly the problem with the tax code. Taxes are collected to pay for the services required to run our government. They should not be used to modify behavior. We can all think of laudable goals that should be encouraged. It would be wonderful if more people brushed their teeth regularly. However it makes no sense at all to give teeth brushers extra tax deductions in the hopes that it will create fresher breath. Pretty soon every congressman with a hairbrained scheme for improving society wants to add it to the tax code. Stop trying to make people behave in ways that you think they should. Freedom is about choice.
These "savings accounts" are stupid ideas, too. Why should I have to predict how much I need for medical bills next year? And why should I lose any money that I don't spend? If medical and education expenses should be paid with untaxed money, then offer credits AFTER the fact when I know how much I spent.
My idea for simplification is the graduated flat tax.
First 20k for each person is the standard deduction (40k per couple)
Next is an additional 10k for anyone with kids (no matter how many)
Total possible deduction of 30k for single parents and 50k for married w/kids
Then 5% tax on the next 20k earned,
10% tax on the 20k above that,
15% tax on the 20k above that,
and so on and so forth. Obviously the numbers are adjustable but the idea is that everyone gets the same deduction and pays the same rate on their first taxable dollar and the brackets increase with income earned.
What do you think?
October 27, 2005 8:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
I'm actually very disappointed that Wes Clark's tax reform plan proposed in the 2004 election (check it out here - careful, it's a PDF) didn't get more attention. Seemed like an elegantly simple yet effective plan.
October 27, 2005 10:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Just Karl:
The Dem's would be foolish not to follow your idea of a graduated tax system. I would only add to it by stating that during the first couple of years we'd give people the option to use the traditional tax code or the graduated code. That would further serve to defang the defenders of the current system who might try to claim that an abrupt shift would throw the system into shock.
The R's took the D's idea of a Dept of Homeland Security and made it there own. If the D's coopt the tax reform issue of the R's it would be a great achievement. Especially since it deals with the federal budget, but doesn't focus on the Democratic stereotype of being big spenders.
October 28, 2005 4:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Favors to business and special interests is the biggest tool that politicians have to extort money for their campaigns.
Without the promise of tax benefits donors would have little reason to contribute.
The ultimate distortions in the tax code can be traced back to the high cost of running for office. And the high cost of running for office can be traced back to the cost of TV campaign ads.
This rip off by the big media of the public airwaves goes unchallenged because no politician wants to get on the bad side of the media interests. At best they will just disappear when stations no longer report on them, and at worst they will get the Fox news treatment.
There is a mutual assured distruction pact between the media and the politicians. Neither will criticize the other (petty theft exempted).
So, the primary thrust has to be getting the money out of politics. Without that, tax "reform" will just be more jockeying for favorable tax breaks under a slightly new set of rules.
I have, recently, proposed adding a war-tax surcharge to the highest three income tax brackets and to the corporate tax rate. This would help alleviate some of the current defict while the present admin is still in office. The increases should be proposed by the Dems, but passed now to defuse the inevitable "tax and spend" howls that will follow.
An appeal to sacrifice and patriotism should be part of the promotion.
October 28, 2005 7:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
The IRS needs to be fixed before any tax reform takes place.
Our tax collection system is broken and is blatantly unfair to the honest citizens of this country.
Charlie Rossotti, the last IRS commissioner, talked about the problems in the New York Times on his way out the door. In his book, he likened the IRS to a police department that hands out parking tickets while organized crime is rampant.
In a November 2002 NYT story, Rossotti said that the IRS audit staff shrunk almost 30% since 1995. The IRS had pursued only 17,000 out of an identified 82,000 taxpayers using offshore accounts to evade income taxes.
Mark Everson, the current commissioner, acknowledged that the IRS has little money and has weak legal tools. The enforcement IRS budget is only $550 million. Everson said that Congress repeatedly refuses to fund more investigations.
In a March 2005 story, the NYT reported that Walter Anderson, the biggest known tax cheat in US history, only got caught because someone turned him in. Even then, the IRS had reason to believe that Mr. Anderson had more income than the $450 million it picked up.
I'm a CPA and, as an experiment, I didn't file couple of returns to see what would happen. I don't owe money, just the reverse. But the IRS doesn't know it. Five years later, nothing has happened. I get the occasional notice and that's it.
I know if the IRS ever presses me, I can negotiate a settlement. Create your own tax rate!
If I ran the IRS, I'd focus on strengthening the reward program and I'd make it available overseas. Most people don't know that if you turn in a tax cheat, you are entitled to 10% of a subsequent assessment.
The FBI has spent a lot of time and money investigating money laundering in the Carribbean. If the FBI could guarantee that information would be processed quickly and confidentially by the IRS, people in the Carribbean would be turning in tax cheats like crazy. The FBI could go to the beach and drink pina coladas.
As a symbolic gesture, I turned in a phony real estate deal to the IRS because Charles A. Gargano, vice chairman of the NY Port Authority and president of the Empire State Development Corp., was a participant. I did not try to claim a reward but I should have.
I was angry because Gargano, while on the public payroll, was a director of phony, penny stock company when, in April 2001, it bought an Italian company that made bombproof doors.
The company, Eagle Building Technologies, then tried to swindle the federal government out of $50 million after 9/11 by falsely claiming to have cargo scanning equipment, mail sterilization equipment and money laundering software.
Why should a public servant and a very rich man like Charlie Gargano cheat on his taxes while I pay mine?
If Congress won't fix the IRS, I have other ideas to level the playing field for the average taxpayer.
I'd start a grass roots organization to teach people how to form limited liability corporations (llcs) and take advantage of tax breaks offered to businesses.
I'd show people how to take aggressive tax positions and explain how little risk was involved.
I'd lobby Congress to repeal mandatory withholding laws so the average taxpayer could manipulate his income to his own advantage. We'd all find out pretty quick, too, how slow the IRS is to collect overdue taxes.
Honest taxpayers are being swindled out of billions of dollars in lost tax revenue. Fix the system if you want real tax reform.
October 28, 2005 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
If I could, I would explain to the average taxpayer how much of the federal budget goes to protect and advance the interests of the wealthy around the world. I would advocate for a defense tax based on the value of foreign assets held by an indivdual or entity.
Here's what I mean.
Everyone I know is angry about the obscene profits being made by the oil companies. Some of them know about the huge tax cuts the whores in Congress just gave the oil industry. What they don't know is that the US military is establishing operations around the world to protect the oil industry's foreign investments.
I was livid when I read that the Pentagon spent millions to train Georgian troops to protect the Baku-Tsibilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. The BTC pipeline is a private investment and is not even wholly-owned by Americans. The American taxpayer will never benefit from the BTC pipeline. No profits, no taxes.
The investors which include Saudis were advised by James A. Baker's law firm, Baker Botts. These are some of the wealthiest people in the world yet they obtained low-cost financing from, I think, the World Bank.
Institutions like the World Bank only&nb sp;have so many projects that they can invest in so for every BTC pipeline, a more worthy project is jettisoned.
Most Americans would think that the US only sent troops to Georgia after 9/11. They would be wrong. I had to visit the Itar-Tass website and see a photo of a US soldier stationed in Georgia to learn that the Pentagon had troops in Georgia long before 9/11.
Most Americans have no idea that 20-30% of our oil will come from West Africa in the near future. It is no coincidence that the Pentagon raises the spectre of Al Qaeda in West Africa to justify building bases there. If the American taxpayer ever found out that the Pentagon is building bases in West Africa to protect offshore drilling projects owned by the oil companies, they would be as enraged as I am.
Using American troops as corporate security guards is amoral and should be illegal. But our "representatives" in Congress have been bought and sold so many times over, they have lost any sense of right and wrong they may have once had. When the oil industry tells Congress to bend over, they all pick up the soap.
If we had an even halfway fair tax system, the oil companies would pay for the use of the United States of America's very valuable and highly trained military, the best in the world. Instead, the oil companies get another free ride.
But try and explain all this to today's very busy average American taxpayer.
October 28, 2005 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink