United We Fall
House Democrats are taking some criticism for avoiding the Iraq issue entirely in their effort to outline a Democratic agenda. The same, it seems, can't be said of the Senate Democrats. I recently got this email from Harry Reid's office:
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Very reasonable argument Matt. The one thing in Reid's memo that really bothers me, though, is this statement, which is the very first recommendation Reid offers:
Democrats call for monthly hearings on Iraqi progress because the American people want to hear some answers.
This is where the democrats betray their remarkable tin ear. To the average redstate voter more hearings suggests bureaucratic squabbling and political finger pointing. It plays into that image of the democrats as obstructionists and partisans, just trying to interfere with the president and the troops, who (in many American's eyes) are just trying to do their best. It sounds like the democrats don't have a real solution--they just want to play politics.
I find this deafness mindboggling and extremely frustrating.
October 5, 2005 12:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think this maybe Reid's attempt to have his cake and eat it too. Afterall Democrats are in no position to actually have hearings on Iraq. So far the toughest questioning on Iraq has come frm John McCain. Thus Reid can look like he wants to hold the administration responsible for withholding information without causing the problem you raise.
October 5, 2005 12:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
The situation in Iraq is sufficiently dire that there appear to be no good solutions. The current urge for a rapid withdrawal is motivated more by a desire to initiate some "tipping-point" strategic change than by a carefully calculated plan to achieve the best outcome for the Iraqi people. Given that the Democrats are not in power in Washington their ability to influence events in Iraq is extremely limited and it is not obvious to me that there is much to be gained by their presenting a united front with regard to Iraq. There is no glory in winning the retreat.
October 5, 2005 12:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
Tactically, the politics of Iraq are bound to play differently in different states/districts anyway. So, again, why not agree to disagree? If the war's still on by 2008, the disagreement (if it still exists) can be hashed out in a primary.
That would make it the second straight Democratic primary that was dominated by Iraq. Nobody votes for Democrats based on foreign policy. Or, to put it more correctly, no one who isn't already firmly in the Democratic fold votes for Democrats based on foreign policy. So we have a primary dominated by Iraq, and the real strength of the party -- domestic policy -- takes a back seat to the same old argument between the angry left and the center, while the primary candidates are forced to zigzag back and forth to keep credibility with the Angry People, for whom Iraq is just about the only issue, and with the broader electorate, many of whom would like to see firmness on Iraq, but aren't much interested in a Gene McCarthy/Howard Dean/George McGovern, one-issue candidate.
Someone is going to have to compromise; the war issue is going to have to be resolved and compartmentalized so the party can focus on its strengths, or the Democrats are going to lose in 2008.
October 5, 2005 5:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
Do you mean, by thrashing it out on a state by state basis, that anti-war people should actively campaign against pro-war dems -- Clinton, Lieberman, et al -- and try to influence the GOP to nominate Hagel like Republicans? Because I think that is an excellent idea. Max Sawicky wrote that he'd rather vote for an anit-war libertarian than a pro-war Democrat. I think that is a pretty good basis for political action.
October 5, 2005 6:04 PM | Reply | Permalink
The obvious solution to the dilema of appearing weak on national security is to demand the focus of our military be shifted to the country which is still headed by a military dictator, proliferating nuclear weapons, training terrorists for attacks around the world, and giving aid and shelter to the people who attacked us on 9-11.
Why isn't either party willing to protect us from Pakistan?
October 5, 2005 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
The best part of Matt's post, besides the subject line itself, is his failure to be taken in by those who expect Iraq to implode any day now, or suggest it already has. On the contrary, the situation we see today will be with us in 2006 and 2007, though some marginal improvement is possible.
But the notion that Iraq is going to fall apart any day now is one that Matt has debunked in the past.
October 5, 2005 8:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
Based on your recommendation, I've seen two episodes of LOST now. WTF? What is it you see in this again? Are these representative of the series you've been hyping?
October 5, 2005 9:42 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well said Matt.
October 5, 2005 11:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
Great. The intellectual genius for pre-schoolers suddenly realizes that Democrats are not united in a plan for "success" in Iraq. Could it be that there is no solution to Iraq that will be good for the US and, what should have always been more important, for the Iraqi people?
Why not admit that as a big-balls, dick swinging kinda guy, you helped get us into this mess, because you were part of the right kind of Democrat back in the day? If your track record is anything one should be guided by, I sure do hope no one in the Democratic party is fool enough to align him/herself with what you consider to be the way out of this mess. Your strategy then was stupid and intellectually and experientially void; we're supposed to trust you now?
Come talk to me when you've learned how to grow some vegetables in your beloved Washington DC.
And that goes for your cohort Mr. Marshall, whose mentor, Kenneth Pollack, of The Threatening Storm fame, might be intimately involved in the current AIPAC scandal. What a stellar crowd!
October 6, 2005 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
If you try to impose an artificial unity on a group of people who don't actually agree, you're going to wind up with a murky fudge as your common position. ... Since it's obvious that Democrats are not, in fact, united there's no real sense in trying to pretend.
Not pretending will inevitably result in murky fudge, as well. Certainly the media will look at our differences, not the common ground, as that's where the "story" is. (Division and conflict always trumps agreement for news media.)
The "murky fudge problem" calls for Leadership in the Democratic party, and Matt's post proves we have none.
October 6, 2005 4:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the only reason someone like Harry Reid makes a fuss is to get on television. Some of our representatives just plain seem to like to be the center of attention. I noticed this as all too obvious during the grilling of John Roberts.
Of course I also think it backfires, because even if the representatives believe their own temper tantrums, the majority of the American public does not, they see it for what it is, a temper tantrum and a childish need to be the center of attention. With a dash of self righteousness i suppose.
Getting back to the "agree to disagree", which is a very grown up stance to take, doesn't it also make sense to continue the same logic and only attack the GOP and try to win elections on the issues that are in agreement?
The Democratic Party has the "right to remain silent" on issues that are (largely) not in agreement. I think doing so is nothing less than political savvy and maturity.
P.S., I still believe both wars, Iraq and Afghan, will be the Bush Administrations' only successes. So quote me here and now on this as proof of my intuitive skills. Since I'm only armed with a bachelors degree in business, from a run of the mill university, and I'm not well read. But I'd put money on the line in a bet against any of the university professors out there who are more qualified but just plain incorrect in terms of what the future holds. Sure my betting on this outcome won't gain me any popularity on this blog - but I have nothing to gain by getting on the anti war bandwagon, therefore I would also suggest my forecast is more objective than many.
Not that even I don't have questions - such as the biggie - will we really withdraw or will there be U.S. military bases left in Iraq (which I think is a huge mistake as I advocate a false jihad strategy which I have commented on elsewhere.)
October 6, 2005 11:18 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cross quoted from James M. Linday's and Bruce Jentleson's posts today, a quotation showing results of a poll of indonesians, which prooves that the "false jihad" strategy that I advocate, works:
"Fortunately, the Pew figures also reveal positive trends that suggest another way forward for the United States and its allies. In three years, Indonesians' support for suicide bombing has declined from 27 percent to 15 percent, and confidence in Osama bin Laden is down from 58 percent to 35 percent."
It doesn't really matter what they think of the United States now, IMO (indonesians attitudes towards the U.S, another part of the poll or another poll entirely i can't remember which, show that attitudes towards the U.S. in indonesia dropped as soon as we invaded Iraq). That number (indonesians attitudes towards the U.S.) will surely go up in the future. What matters is reversing the popularity of violent jihad. And clearly how that works is when you have violent muslims bombing muslims. This is what I think the goal should be in Iraq - as horrible as it sounds, I think the scenario of high confidence in suicide bombing and Osama bin Laden is much worse. That it is the lesser of two evils. That a few bombings in Iraq in the future, after the U.S. has left, is still a better outcome and long term future for Iraq than what they had under saddam.
October 6, 2005 1:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
I love this stuff. The Democrats get heat for not addressing the Iraq issue, but then really, they are in no position to address the Iraq issue. If thats the way its going to be presented, then I see no problem with trying to have his cake and eat it to.
October 6, 2005 1:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think the only reason someone like Harry Reid makes a fuss is to get on television. Some of our representatives just plain seem to like to be the center of attention. I noticed this as all too obvious during the grilling of John Roberts.
Or, you know, they could just be really interested in solving actual problems and really frustrated that they're not in a position to solve these problems. But yeah, either way...
October 6, 2005 1:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps Democrats will win more elections when they stop pretending they can actually solve Iraq's problems and start focusing on solving the actual problems here in America. When they begin to solve problems on the local level, they will win statewide elections and when they solve problems at the state level, they will win national elections. Whining and bickering out of frustration actually solves nothing. Protect American lives, jobs, and opportunities from the real threats of the world.
October 6, 2005 2:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
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