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Following up on Josh's recent post about some upgrades at the site, we want to get further imput from you about what you'd like to see done at TPMCafe. We narrowed down your suggestions to these four, but we'd like more suggestions from you over at the Cafe Management discussion table. Thanks for your help!


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I would love to be able to sort comments in a thread in a few ways.  Sometimes I'm not sure what order they are in, if any.  Sometimes a reference is made that seemingly comes out of nowhere, then I notice it is #22, but it is shown as the second comment on my computer.  When he or she refers to something said in comment #21, I have to wait to get there before I understand the reference.  I would like to be able to sort by # or time of the comment, or by the highest rated first.  I'm sure you will figure out how many ways the comments can be sorted (or whether they can be sorted.)  I also thought the suggestion to add a spell checker was good, as were some of the other suggested changes I read about a few days ago. 

I also wanted to thank you for this site.  It's great!  Thanks again!

I'd like a search that actually works, and better links on the main page.  For example, if *anyone* can tell me how to find Gen. Clark's comments, I'd love to know.

The top item on my wishlist would be a bidirectional mailing list gateway.  I think TPMCafe would be a thriving mailing list, but it's a somewhat mediocre website.  It's loaded with excellent content but very hard to use.

I'd like to see a fluid layout.  I agree with the previous poster that the central content area is too narrow.  On my 30" screen it's almost a joke.  It should work on screens large or small.

This comment editor doesn't work very well.  It inserts whitespace where undesired.  Maybe a plain text editor would be better?  Of course the mailing list gateway would obviate this request. 

Scoop offers a lot of options for how comments are viewed. Only a few are presented right now on TPMCafe. See my instructions here.


When they install the nested comments, if they do it right, there will, hopefully be a lot more options for you at that location on your "My Preferences."

I'd like a search that actually works,


The search engine the Scoop software offers sucks; I know this for a fact from lots of experience.


You have to play around with the drop-down box and really learn how the searches are separated. If you are doing keywords, always try ticking that box that says "as a phrase". Keywords usually get no results without doing that. (I would suggest that management here actually have that box ticked as the default search; I know other Scoop users have done that.)


One major inherent flaw: it does not work with three-letter words. Nada. Zip. Never. Only the search for a "user" will return users whose names have three-letters. The rest: if your are searching for "FBI" or "CIA" fuggeaboutit. No way.


It would take a very expensive nerd to write the code to fix it and that in itself can cause the site to be corrupted.


It is actually much easier to use regular old google to find stuff here. If you are clever about using the right keywords the TPMCafe posts usually come up on the 1st page.


This comment editor doesn't work very well.


Try changing to the Autoformat editor on your "My Preferences". The default editor gives most people trouble.


Go to "My Preferences." Go to "Interface" link there. After un-ticking the box to shut off the "WYSIWYG Editor," chose "Autoformat" in the drop down box labeled "Post Mode."


Enter the preferences. That will give you a much simpler comment editor with less drain on your system, that most people have no problem with and you won't have those white spaces.

Do not even bother entering anything in the box on the front page to search, it is a wasted step, it won't return anything in most cases.


Just click on it; that puts you on the default page of the advanced search. Erase "Search TPM Cafe," put in your keyword, tick "as a phrase" and check which field you are searching in the top drop-down box!


Something like Wes Clark's entry, a starting post, is a "Story." So you have to search Stories, and you have to use a keyword, not his name. That's cause if you wanted to find it in "Authors," you would have to know the user name he used to post the story with! (Example: Josh Marshall's user name here is "joshtpm." You can only search for his comments in "comments by" if you know that.)


There is another complication related to that. Stories are not the same as Dairies. It gets even more confusing cause TPMCafe chose to change the name of "My Diary" to "My Blog." Diaries/Blogs are searched by using "Diaries" or "Diaries By" in the drop-down box.


But remember, to find something by an author, under "comments by" or "stories by" or "diaries by, you have to know the user  name they are posting under, not their real name that's at the top of the post. Example again: it says "Matthew Yglesias" at the top of his posts, that's a link to email him. That's not his user name he posts under. That's 'yglesias.' If you want to see all of yglesias' comments, you have to know that.


This something that TPMCafe should think about changing if they want this to be a searchable resource eventually.


The way it's set up now, you really have your major authors' posts pretty well hidden to any researcher. Few know their user names, and knowing that is the easiest way to find their work on this site.


That's part of the reason I suggested that you start on making user names more acccessible by doing THIS. It would at least be a start.

It would take a very expensive nerd to write the code to fix it and that in itself can cause the site to be corrupted.

Well I know my stuff -- and yes, I am expensive -- but I'd be willing to do it pro bono.  I've even worked on Scoop before, and TPMCafe is using some of my code at this very moment.

 
There's no excuse for bad search.  If nothing else, TPMC should replace their non-working search with a Google box that searches the site.

well DOH--you never do know who you are talking to on this newfangled internet thingie. :-)


Hope I didn't come off too wrong; hopefully what I wrote will help others in the meantime.


Hey, look at it this way: if you fix the sucky Scoop search pro-bono here and it really really works, you can go round to the other Scoops and blackmail 'em for big bucks!


:-)

The rating system was a big mystery to me, but I was able to get some help from a contributor who explained it well.  I did not know, however, that you have to click on "Rate All"  to make any rating stick.  Rate All does not make sense, it seems to me. How about Send?  I have asked that the rating system be fully explained in the Frequently Asked Questions section, unless it is already somewhere else, which I have not been able to find. 

I have also wondered about the number of people who make comments; it does seem to be a rather small club.  It may be that is because I don't go over the whole site. 

I'm glad you voiced that concern, becasue I've long suspected that the number of readers participating in the rating system was so low due to both technical problems (such as that) and the lack of anonyity.

The prob;lem with the current system is that the only people who voice opinion on it are an incredibly small sample size. Maybe the 100ish members have actually commented on the site, the rating system, etc. 

Josh should host a poll on the site design, on the rating system, etc. 

MichaelAOlson:


I agree that the "rate-all" thing is bad semantics; it confused me too long ago.


You understand the reason it says that?


It's because you can't go down an entire list of comments on a single thread and put ratings on each comment, or whichever ones you want, and only click any "rate all" button on the page, all all the ratings will be entered at once.


So actually, it does better than what you are asking for. You can rate one comment, or 50 comments, with one click. It's just labeled badly.

I don't know if this would be difficult,  maybe easy...

I have seen a number of comments go up with immediate 4/1 or 5/1 ratings.  I have never seen one go up with an immediate 2/1.

Is there a way that readers could be limited to say ten ratings per month for any other single poster, or if that would cause too many headaches, maybe 30 total ratings allowed per month?

This would probably solve the problem I mention, and in addition, if you think about it,  if the number of ratings a person could do per month was limited, they would become like currency, and maybe have more meaning.

dc

The TPM Cafe logo, with the coffee cup, at the top of each page should be a link that leads back to the homepage.  As it is, the user must click on "home" on the left column to return to the mail page. Clicking on the logo would be easier and more intuitive.

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