Democrats Battling Over Iraq? Stop the Presses!
Walking to work today, I caught the Washington Post's headline, "Democrats Split Over Position on Iraq War," and for a few seconds thought how strange it was that no one bothered to change the papers in that box for more than two years.
The lazy days of August have the Post reporting on the renewed calls, especially in the blogosphere, for Democrats to call for a specific timeline to bring troops home from Iraq. In this story, Russ Feingold is J. William Fulbright, whose opposition to the Vietnam War brough anti-war sentiments into the mainstream.
The argument within the party has been played out through blog posts and random quotes in newspapers across the country. But while there is contentiousness, there is hardly a debate. There is a vocal group on the left who is angry -- at the Democratic establishment and the foreign-policy establishment. Yet, the establishment is relatively quiet in its response. In many ways, this silence only magnifies the perceived influence and power of the Democratic left (which, while possessing its own unique power, has yet to prove the hold it purports to have on the zeitgeist of the Democratic rank-and-file: beat a more hawkish Democrat in a primary or win a general election, and then you'll have some weight behind your claims.)
That there are disagreements over foreign policy within the Democratic Party is hardly news. As I've written about before, there are deep divisions within the Democratic Party on Iraq, the War on Terror, and international economics. Instead of trying to make nice all the time, we Democrats owe it to ourselves to use this time in the wilderness to have a robust debate about what our vision is of America's role in the world. Some of that is happening over at America Abroad and other sites. Some of it is going on in the think tanks and foreign policy journals. But these ideas need to enter the political arena -- and Democrats need to debate their merits. That is to say that the Democratic presidential hopefuls -- as well as candidates for Congress and Senate -- won't be able to position themselves through this issue. It's too complicated and moving too fast. So do the honest thing: learn the issue, hear the debate, and pick a side. We'll fight it out during the 2008 nominating campaign. If we don't, and try to finesse a position in order to give people what we think they want -- we'll end up looking weak on the most important issue of our time, and we'll lose once again.
















I agree that the need to resolve all differences in the Party is uncessary. Democrats should begin the process of generating ideas that can be offered both to fellow Democrats and to the country at large. This is what the Republicans did with such success, at least politically.
I do think it might be helpful for Democrats to see the party's history more clearly. Franklin Roosevelt's four terms skews people's prespective of Democratic primacy as does the control of the Congress. The latter is misleading as it is so difficult to get rid of any incumbent regardless of party. The Clintons were never great Liberals but middle of the roaders. One of the great spin jobs was the way Leftwing Democrats deluded themselves and the Republicans painted the Clintons.
August 22, 2005 9:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Mr. Baer: Your portrayal of the current political landscape is quite bizarre. You claim that there is a vocal group on the left who is angry, and that the establishment's silence magnifies the perceived power of that left. You then taunt the "left" by pointing out that they haven't won elections.
"The left" knows perfectly well that it holds no power. Indeed, this lack of power is what frustrates "the left" so much.
But I could just as easily throw your taunt back in your face: show me how following the establishment's split-the-difference, mealy-mouthed approach (the approach followed by the Democratic Party for a long, long time now) has been so good for Democrats. In fact, it's been disastrous for Democrats, and your inability to see this is the problem with you establishment types.
More than that, you persist in seeing this as a split between "the left" and "centrists." There may have been this ideological split back in the late 80s and early 90s, but it has evaporated since then. Solid majorities in this country want to withdraw from Iraq and believe that the administration lied its way into war. Are they all "the left"? Chuck Hagel is the Senate's most vociferous critic of the administration. Would you call him part of "the left"?
In fact, the split is not between "the left" and "centrists." It's between the vast majority of voting Democrats and the clueless, out of touch leaders of their party.
August 22, 2005 9:24 AM | Reply | Permalink
While I appreciate your calling for the establishment to learn the issue and actually participate in the debate, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're talking about. The establishment is quite voluble on the issue -- do the names Clinton, Biden and Kerry ring a bell? -- and it seems to be just about united on the need to stay the course, or something along those lines. Maybe what you mean is that those figures don't seem real interested in confronting the arguments from the other side within the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, many thoughtful Democrats, and not just those on the angry left -- do the names Yglesias, Drum, Ackerman ring any bells? -- have paid attention to what is going on and thought about what is right, and pushed for withdrawal.
Just transcribing what Yglesias wrote this morning at Tapped.
It is worth noting too that it seems to be the establishment centrists in the policy debate who are positioning themselves through the issue, while it is the policy people who favor withdrawal who are paying attention to foreign policy rather than politics. I mean really, what is the DLC up to if not positioning themselves through the issue at the expense of the actual policy issues at stake? Is that what you're talking about?
As for a strongly critical position working politically, you might look at the recent special election in Ohio (and don't tell me that the fact that Hackett didn't win in that district speaks for your claim).
August 22, 2005 9:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
has yet to prove the hold it purports to have on the zeitgeist of the Democratic rank-and-file: beat a more hawkish Democrat in a primary or win a general election
I can offer the same challenge to the centrists -- what have you done for me, lately? (Yeah, yeah, Bill Clinton. Ya got anything else?)
As far as Iraq is concerned, 60% of the U.S. wants us out.
Is there really any "reading of the tea leaves" left to do here?
We need to get out. Russ Feingold's figured this one out. Why is it the rest of the Dems -- especially the hawkish Dems -- can't?
I thought Centrists were especially pragmatic policy positions based on the polls.
August 22, 2005 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
The worst thing Democrats (and independents) can do now is erupt in self righteos furor. Iraq is a tough issue, for those who opposed and those who supported giving the President the authority.
Personally, I was against the war from the start. So I am more than sympathetic to those who voiced there concerns from day 1. But now, having intervened, I don't see how we can leave. I am not conflicted by what will make the party or our country look more hawkish or dovish. But I am conflicted over what is the right thing to do.
What will happen to the Iraqi people if we leave? What proof is there that NATO or the UN would necessarily fill the void left by our troops?
I don't profess to know the answer to these questions. My inclination is to say this, unless we were to receive concrete commitments from the UN, NATO, and especially Germany and France (which seems highly unlikely), withdrawal will not necessarily improve the situation in Iraq. That being said, I don't see the current administration ever admitting a mistake or taking any progessive steps, either in the training of Iraqis or in attempting to curry international support for peacekeeping efforts.
I guess the personal conundrum I face in trying to determine what is right is symptomatic of the party as a whole, but I think we can all agree with Chairman Dean's sentiments from this weekend, when he stated that it was the RESPONSIBILITY of the majority party to solve this. And they must be held responsible for their actions and inaction.
August 22, 2005 10:20 AM | Reply | Permalink
Let's see...I am pretty sure all dems want us out of Iraq. The left is looking for a timetable to be put in place for withdrawl while the center is taking a more nuanced (aka, the "don't ask us about specifics") position. So this is characterized as dems fighting? I guess it might be true if someone is looking to sell newspapers. It'll be an issue in '06 alright...and it'll be a winner for us if we are unified in our position that withdrawl should come as soon as possible, no matter if our candidates advocate a specific timetable or not.
August 22, 2005 10:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
The upshot of all of this is that there seems to be a conflict of interest between some influential part of the Democratic establishment and many of the candidates who will run for offices held by Republican incumbents in the mid-term elections. Polls put the president's approval rating at historic lows and his administration's handling of its war of choice is clearly one of their party's greatest weaknesses. While keeping these issues off the table may serve sitting Democratic senators and representatives by allowing them to conceal their views of the war and the administration, hobbling all of the other candidates in the party is clearly against their interests, as well as those of the party and the electorate. I'm not advocating having every Democrat sign the anti-war, anti-Bush manifesto that I'd gladly pen. Rather, I'd suggest putting the party's money and resources into countering the Republicans' slime machine and let the candidates enjoy the same freedom Chuck Hagel does, and so speak their minds on Mr. Bush and his war. If the electorate wants anti-Bush, anti-war candidates (as I think they now do), it'll choose them.
August 22, 2005 2:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as Iraq is concerned, 60% of the U.S. wants us out.
I'm sure that a much higher figure doesn't like what's going on in Iraq and will be very happy when we are able to pull out. But if you look at what people want to do right now, you get something like this:
August 22, 2005 8:24 PM | Reply | Permalink
. . . got your number.
August 23, 2005 2:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Feingold is not advocating "getting out now." He's put up a timetable. More Dems need to jump on that bandwagon.
Re: polls -- even in the poll you site, that's 55% that want partially out or completely out right now.
Again -- what's left in the tea leaves to read on the issue of getting out soon if not now? Feingold did the right thing -- let's put up a date and get out.
I don't know what you're referring to re: "hanging without a trial" -- who?
August 23, 2005 8:26 AM | Reply | Permalink
Feingold wants to set a "flexible target date" for when we complete our goals in Iraq. He hasn't been clear on what these goals are. Unspoken is that if we don't meet these goals, we'll have to stay longer.
Others have stated that our exit should be based on certain conditions being met. The distinction here is subtle.
If by "jump on the bandwagon" you mean let's start a real debate about what we should do, well I think that's great. It's great that the Senator from Wisconsin has stepped up to the plate. But we won't be able to do anything about it until 2008, and by then who knows what will happen?
But I'm all in favor of having an open debate. Let's get all the ideas out and discuss them!
August 24, 2005 7:13 PM | Reply | Permalink
My "out now" comment was because not long ago you not only made it your position, but seemed to suggest that it was the position of all liberals:
August 24, 2005 8:55 PM | Reply | Permalink