Novak

Despite the high-mindedness of the issues we discuss here in the Coffee House, we're certainly not above setting up a thread for everyone to discuss their favorite theory for why Bob Novak went bezerk today on CNN.


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There wasn't anything unusual in their give and take. There is something else eating away at Bob and, from the looks of the dark circles under his eyes, keeping him up at night. Maybe the Plame investigation isn't going as swimmingly as he would have us believe?

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Maybe he's continually imagining that he's hearing that "DUN-Dun" sound from Law & Order, and seeing Patrick Fitzgerald watching him from the shadows?

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He said something the other day about his "integrity" - yeah, I know there's a great joke there. But I am sure that, in his own twisted way he sees his behavior, in fact his entire career, as being steeped in integrity. When he is shown to have rolled over like a cheap whore for the prosecutor, even he could no longer fool himself. When he is ending a career, I'm sure he would rather leave with accolades rather than the truth.

I think he snapped from having to play "defense" all the time lately.  He is being roundly criticized about his role in the Plame outing and constantly defending himself.  I think he is suffering from mental fatigue and just snapped. 

Or he could be laying the groundwork for an insanity defense re: Plame-gate...he did "appear" to go nuts today.

avatar The last few times he's been on this segment, Bob's been able to stomp all over his "opponent", most notably the doddering Jack "Makes New Friends Daily" Valenti.

I've gotta believe Fitzgerald's really got Novak sweating.

Oh well, at least Novak's conversion will allow him to pop into the nearest forgiveness booth and erase those red marks from the Big Book.
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I guess Santorum blew up on the radio today also. It looks like Republicans can't handle an ounce of the scrutiny we face from the MSM 24/7.

Imagine how difficult it must have been for Novak, who has been enjoying fawning by CNN since his involvement in Plamegate became known (Remember the kissy video of Novak's conversion to Catholicism on CNN after the Pope died? Begala, for his part, was ribbed by Wolfie about not being a good Catholic.) I imagine Judith Miller would react the same way if her paper stopped treating her like the hero/martyr she's not. It's clear now the man should be fired. But I doubt he will.

I guess the way these "journalistic" outlets get in these pickles is that they let conservatives tell them who they have to hire to be "balanced". The NYT and CNN's protection of Judy and Bob is so tenacious, it makes one wonder if they fear facing the White House wrath if they insisted their conservative icons adhere to the same journalistic standards as everyone else.

I mean, who would conservatives insist replace Novak or Miller? I mean, there's no way they'd allow them to find someone who's conservative, yet honest and on the up and up. The White House wouldn't get away with anything, then. 

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I downloaded and watched the video from Crooks & Liars.  Even before the segment reached the point where Novak invoked the bovine epithet, I thought he looked noticeably impaired.  His eyes were half-closed most of the time, his speech was slurred, and his sentences borderline incoherent.

Lack of sleep?  Too much allergy medication?  Stress?  Who really knows, but he didn't seem well at all.

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IMO it's true that Novak dreads having to drop another lie or evasion that will be rendered inoperative in a few weeks' time anyway, but that's not enough to set him off completely.  He could just do what he always does and refuse to say anything. 

But then, he can't do that anymore.  After his recent columns he can't credibly say that he isn't answering questions anymore.  So he has to say something.  Still, I'm sure that after years of turning it over in his head he should be able to put out a misleading non-answer that at least will get him to the end of the show.

It seems to me that Carville was the problematic factor.  You average CNN host would probably smile obligingly change the subject if you told him that you put shit in his coffee.  Carville, on the other hand, knows what's going on and would be more than happy to take some mealy-mouthed non-answer and beat Novak over the head with it mercilessly.  You know Carville was practically drooling on himself for the opportunity.

On the third hand I'm sure that everybody in DC expects Novak to lose it at any minute.  If that's the case then you know they have a bounty on whoever pushes him over on live TV.  Sort of like how defensive squad make a pool for whoever injures a rookie quarterback.  Carville collected tonight. 

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My first thought was maybe CNN is cutting him loose.  He swears on air and now they have that excuse instead of his unethical actions in the Plame outing.

Also - Carville said something about the WSJ editorial page.  Is something going on inside there?

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Well, I was going to say he had just noticed the studio lights.  But then I remembered that it's sunlight that destroys the Undead.

Did Carville have a wooden stake under the table?? 

I missed it, would someone summarize?  It sounds interesting in a....how best to put it...wingnutfreude kind of way? 

And lets face it, as tight as Santorum is wound--I can't wait to read his actual words on working women---he has to crack at some point.
avatar It might have been Ed Henry, the interviewer, who had asked Novak a number of very unpleasant questions in a previous interview and who got his gander up. As far as I remember, Novak kept telling him "You don't know what you're talking about" and told Ed Henry that his lawyer had advised him not to say anything more.

I don't remember anybody else ever having asked similarly pointed questions of Novak.




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That's an interesting theory, actually. I bet the right wing is coming down pretty hard on Novak over not "taking one for the team". He's supposed to lie, after all -- and he is, good lord, is he ever -- but Novak is also protecting his own ass, slightly at Rove's expense, and that Rove can not abide.

Of course, my preference would be for CNN to find a conservative commentator who served his readers rather than the White House. Surely, there must be one somewhere a supposedly legitimate outlet like CNN can dig up. Does being conservative mean you HAVE to lie for the cause? Can't you be conservative AND honest?

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I agree with what you said over on TPM, that what Carville's jab about showing the right wing he had a spine was not out of line with the hard knocks that are normally exchanged between those two, and that it doesn't make sense for Novak to have walked off the set (thereby guaranteeing that talk about it would be all over the Internet) to avoid questions about the Plame case when he could probably have more easily BS'd his way through it.

I wouldn't expect that Novak would be fan of Democracy Now!, but he did come in for some very biting criticism on that program this morning from investigative reporter Murray Waas, who said:   

So if we believe Bob Novak's account, he engaged in substandard news reporting on not one aspect of this column, but several aspects of this column. And it's led to the jailing of a New York Times reporter, it's harmed the national security of the United States because it led to the outing of a C.I.A. operative. It's hurt the morale of the C.I.A. It's damaged the Bush administration endlessly, and it's hurt the credibility of the press, partly because reporters were engaged in this scheme or took the bad information, and also because they're now revealing their confidential sources in cooperating with the prosecutors.

So, all of this occurred because reporters were sloppy, because they didn't do their work. I mean, that, in effect is the cover story, or that's what Robert Novak is insisting. And I have interviewed Geneva Overholser, for example, the former editor at The Des Moines Register, and she said some strong words about Novak, but what's interesting is because he's really at the core of a elite group, a cocktail party crowd or kind of celebrity journalism at CNN, nobody will come out and -- the Washington press corps is pretty much silent. The big wheels and big guns are not saying anything. They're not policing themselves. And this could have really deleterious and damaging long-term effects on journalism.

 Maybe Novak is getting a lot of that sort of thing and his ego is feeling bruised?

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Several people on other blogs have suggested that Novak appeared to be three sheets to the wind. If you watch the video, he slurs his words and looks somewhat glassy-eyed.

This would certainly be a plausible exlpanation for his loss of decorum.

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Nah, Novak always slurs his words and appears three sheets to the wind

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I think you're right - it was wasn't Carville said, it's what Carville knows; remember - Mary Matalin testified and that pillow talk, coupled with the behind-the-scenes rumor mill of DC, I'm sure Carville knows a lot.

 I could also hear some thumping in the background after he left.

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I just sent CNN some suggestions for a Novak show.  I think 'Pure Bullshit From Novak" has a nice, honest ring to it.

I agree that Novak doesn't look too good, but we should acknowledge that he has always looked a bit like a bloated corpse.   If the Plame affair is having a legitimate toll on his physiology, then that has to be a bad sign for BushCo.  I agree with some of the commentators who say that Novak was probably looking for some type of escape from the Plame questions.  This is the same guy who just cancelled a public appearance with Eric Alterman for similar reasons....

stroke that is causing the slurred speech.


Novak's being unable to take the heat in a

debate with a familiar antagonist, that is

laughable though.

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<CITE> Maybe he's continually imagining that he's hearing that "DUN-Dun" sound from Law & Order, and seeing Patrick Fitzgerald watching him from the shadows?</CITE>

Funny and hopefully true. What would make it better is if Fitzgerald came in and arrested him one day and spat out of those great one-liners that Jerry Orbach used to say like: "You're under arrest for assisting in the outing of a CIA agent and for general douchebaggery, unfortuantely for you neither of which is really newsworthy."

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I prefer the jon stewart theory (first expressed in another context) -- it'd just been too long since his last drink of puppy blood. 

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Film here

In a nutshell: Bob Novak walked off the set of CNN's "Inside Politics" today.  Carville had made some crack at him, but nothing unusually biting, certainly no worse than Novak himself gives to others.  The host had warned Novak before the broadcast that he had intended to ask him about his involvement in the Plame case, and the speculation is that he used Carville's crack as an excuse to walk off in a huff to avoid the issue.

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Looks like CNN was getting a little peeved that everyone who want to see the Novak meltdown were going to secondary sites - they now have a link on their home page.


And for those of us with disabled soundcards, Inside Politics now has the rush transcript posted (it's most of the way down - just word search for "bullsh*t"

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Hello:

Novak is unequivocally, indisputably, egregiously WASTED on this clip. Drunk as a skunk. Speech blurred and slowed, claims amazingly weird, saucer-eyed and barely hanging on. This was clear to me from the first frame. Comments?

DPC

avatar I think Orbach would say: "Where you're headed, the only 'leaking' going on will be in the men's room."
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If you watch the video, he slurs his words and looks somewhat glassy-eyed.

That's the way Novak always looks to me!  But yes, being under the influence would certainly explain it. 

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What's interesting to me is not that Novak just walked out-- anyone can snap like that for any reason, it just happens.

What's interesting to me is Ed Henry's postscript at the end of the interview. Why would he make such a clear statement about having told Novak in advance that he was going to discuss PlameGate? It's almost as if he was trying to tell the audience WHY Novak left.

My guess? Henry and Novak aren't on the best of terms, as you can tell from the June 29 interview (previous link). I bet Novak blew up at Henry before the show, and just lost it during the segment.

Either that, or Novak and Rehnquist are actually the same person, and he developed a fever and had to go to the hospital.

avatar Maybe it's just Carville being Carville, but he appears to be almost ready to bust out laughing from the beginning of the segment.  Looks like he hides his mouth with his hand until he can gain a little contol of himself.  And it seems a little odd that the host would mention at the end of the segment that he wasn't able to ask Novak questions about the Plame leak... so here's what I think happened... before they went on the air, the host told Novak he was going to ask the questions, Novak took exception, and Novak's reaction probably struck Carville as funny, which no doubt really steamed Novak.  Carvile does have a lot of "little kid" in him... he seems to continue to have a really good time after Novak leaves...
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I wastched most of the show and Novak and Carville's interactions were very interesting.  There was a lot of needling through glances and trash talking away from the mikes throughout the show. 

Earlier on they both got a bit agressive talking about perjury (in the steriod case), perhaps understandable as Novak and Mary Matalin have both appeared before the grand jury and the truth of all this is still unknown.  I' don't agree that either Matalin or Novak are innocent in this case.

The body language was also sort of odd, both Novak and Carville very much leaned and looked away from the action when not talking - probably because of the tension involved, and the two of them ratcheting up pressure prior to the Plame discussion segment.

I don't agree with speculations that Novak was drunk, depressed, that sort of thing.  I also don't think he was avoiding the Plame segment" he just got angry, said something he shouldn't, and realized that he shouldn't be there under those circumstances.

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Diarrhea attack?  It's usually coming from his mouth so perhaps this caught him by surprise.

For whatever reason he let slip a blatant "BS" on air and I think at that point he decided it was time to bust a move and act outraged by the same sort of stuff these guys fling at each other on cable news night after night.

Impairment sounds like a good reason for him to let slip a BS.  It's not like a he's a rookie at this stuff.

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This seems to be what set him off:

Carville: "He's got to show these right wingers that he's got backbone.  You know, it's like..."  (turning to Novak) "the Wall Street Journal Editorial Page is watching you, show 'em you're tough."

 

avatar I have been following this all afternoon and I cannot believe that Drudge is already spinning this story...

Invoking Clinton, Bush/Rove, Election 2000 and Iraq in this lead....

BOB NOVAK WALKS OFF CNN LIVE 'THAT IS BULL*HIT'... Was on with Carville talking Katherine Harris make-up... Host Ed Henry ended segment by telling viewers he had told Novak in advance he would ask him about the CIA leak case. Henry said CNN hoped to get Novak to answer such questions in future... DEVELOPING...

After CNN got on top of this, Drudge changed his lead but it still keeps that sweet, sweet Red-State/Rovian feeling. 

lets send the FCC a note! (but it probably won't do any good, -->see below as to why it won't)

FCC Chair- "Little" Kevin Martin 

(B/C his CV reads like the little republican starter kit)

--served on the Bush-Cheney Transition Team
--Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy
--Deputy General Counsel for the Bush campaign

"My first thought was maybe CNN is cutting him loose.  He swears on air and now they have that excuse instead of his unethical actions in the Plame outing."


Plamegate has already badly hurt Novak's career at CNN.  First Crossfire gets cancelled, and while that may not have been explicitly about The Prince of Darkness, it certainly made up the bulk of his airtime.


And then they cancelled The Capitol Gang, which quite literally had been a Novak run show since its inception.


It's a bad time to be Bob.

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I wonder if this will force Jon Stewart of the Daily Show to revoke No-fact's "Douchebag of Liberty Award."

Of course No-fact is pissed, Carville simply pointed out in public, to his face that he is a snitch out to save his own ass at the expense of his alleged principles, and that even his political allies recognize it.

it shows with crystal clarity that No-facts has no philosophy, but instead is a rank opportunist who will betray his political fellow travelers to prevent his own incarceration.

there is no honor amongst thieves, or neocons it appears.

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I'd love to believe that Novak walked off because he is going insane, or because he didn't want to face any Traitorgate questions, but I find both theories somewhat hard to believe.
I think when he realized he had just said "bullshit" on the air, he knew he was going to be in deep trouble. He decided to cut his losses and walk off.

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I see that the FCC has no authority here, but does that mean we cannot make a little noise?

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I think it was an accident as well, it has been a vy hot summer, and lord knows that I want to do this all of the time at work.

"agreed to take a little time off"


How desperate is CNN for a big name from the Right?,
 
or what does No-Facts have (pedo pix?) over his bosses at CNN?

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Whatever CNN may have been planning before, it seems they've now sent him to the penalty box for a while.

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Just looked at the clip.  Sure seems like he was looking for an excuse to bolt.  I think it had more to do with what was coming up than anything that JC said.

I think it was a pre-emptive strike by Colostomy Bob to avoid being questioned on the outting of Valerie Plame.  He seized the moment, pitched a contrived fit, stomps off the set and avoids, for the moment, further on air embarassment about why he is such a snake.  The action of a coward.

Larry Johnson

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Today, in a written essay, Senator Arlen Specter accused Novak of printing libelous allegations against one of the Senator's staffers. Specter pointedly used the word "libeled." Granted, Arlen isn't in fine odor with the GOP base, but it must be unnerving to Novak to have a Republican stalwart speak out openly against him. Unnerving enough to warrant a few steadying pre-show drinks, perhaps?

I wonder what the Special Prosecutor makes of all this nonsense?

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"He's gotta show these right-wingers he's got backbone ya know . . . the WSJ editorial page is watching you show 'em your tough."

<exit Novak>

Perhaps this hit too close to home for Novak.  Perhaps he was previously snubbed for a spot on said editorial page?

Either way I'd like to thank him for such great entertainment value.
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Maybe, but by walking off the set, he not only drew attention to it, he dug himself in even deeper.  He might be forgiven letting "bullshit" slip in the heat of the moment, but walking off the set is a far worse sin in the eyes of the producers.

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Absolutely positively no question about it. Novak was f*cking HIGH! Now we're all so used to his 2-martini demeanor that we don't even notice, but this afternoon he had had a couple more. Trust me.

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I think Carville's comment was meant as a dig at Novak regarding the Plame case and the fact that the WSJ has been one of the main media forces spinning for him.

I'd comment further, but I'm on vacation for five weeks. Just forward the national security memos to Scooter.

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Not sure if I buy the "contrived fit" theory.... Novak has been spinning BS about his role in Plamegate for two years; why would he clam up all of a sudden?

I'm most intrigued by the last thing he said, "Just let it go."  Let what go?  Given the context of the discussion and Carville's mild snark, that comment seemed out of place.  Henry hadn't yet asked any questions about Plamegate, so.... let what go?

Sign me up for the "snapped under the pressure" camp.  Life in Novak's shoes can't be too much fun these days.

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I don't watch tv much so its been years since I heard novak speak, but he sounded drunk off his arse to me.

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Honestly, it's nearly comical that any theory other than drunkenness is even being discussed. He was so drunk I thought he was going to grab my ass! He was so drunk I went and checked my liquor cabinet!!

Please, people--attributing strategy at this moment (he was preempting questions about Plame, etc.) gives him too much credit. Absolutely the extra martinis are symptomatic of an inner life in crisis: my guess is Rove's thugs own this guy's sad, cable-tv balls right now.

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Oh...I wouldn't say Novak went "beserk"... that would have been cool... Just to see Bob strip off his shirt and start shouting at the top of his lungs about the contamination of his "precious bodily fluids" as he leans over and tries to take a huge zombie-sized bite out of James Carville's head...
Yeah, that would rule...
This, though? This was yet another example of a GOP stooge crying like a little bitch because he got a hard look from the host. This was a disgraceful performace. 
mojo sends

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You asked ... "Can't you be conservative AND honest?"

No, rightwing conservatives can't. It's an ideological defect, and unless they accept evolution, they are stuck where they are generation after generation, I'm afraid.

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1. they were going to open the window shades and he would have burst into flame

 2. it's that new Mad Cow-like disease you get from eating live dolphin brains

 3. his pocket Rove-phone went off, summoning him back to the lab

 4. he's beginning to feel a vague twinge of a conscience over the things he's done and had to go get it surgically removed

I don't know why the meltdown, but to me it was almost as funny to see Novak the same complaint as Katherine Harris. From the transcript:


HENRY: Bob Novak, have you been investigating this make-up story?

NOVAK: No, but I've had the same experience that she did. A lot of my trouble in the world is that they've doctored my make-up and colorized me in a lot of newspapers on my picture. So, I sympathize with her.



It's the Conservative Culture of Victimization, Hideous People Division. Sure, Novak and Harris don't really look like shit--it's the Liberal MSM that makes them look like that!

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About a year ago on Crossfire, Carville said something about Novak outing Plame, and Novak reacted very sharply, turning deadly serious and retorting with something like, "Don't joke about that. This is serious" (from my memory, not from a transcript). I remember at the time thinking Novak looked almost scared and that he overreacted. Obviously, Novak thinks he is in some serious trouble and today's barb by Carville just set him off again. Perhaps some bad news is about to break.

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Novak bolted because he did not want to discuss the Plame outing affair. So he ran home to Mommy.


Host quote

Thanks, James Carville. And I’m sorry as well that Bob Novak left the set a little early. I had told him in advance that we were going to ask about the CIA leak case, he was not here for me to be able to ask him about that. Hopefully, we’ll be able to ask him about that in the future

avatar Sorry, must beg to differ with one of the points made in the Waas quote. This affair has damaged the press NOT, IMHO, because they are giving up sources to the grand jury. It has hurt the press because the press conspired with the government to bury an important story for two years, and to feed us lies instead ("Karl Rove was not involved...") Why is that so hard for anyone in the press to see? They failed their public and our democracy: they did not give us the story.
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Notice how the official CNN transcript scrubs the Carville comment about the Wall Street Journal.

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You're right. Everyone seems to be forgetting Occam's Razor here. Novak <i>obviously</i> had had a couple too many.

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Listen to him in advance of walking off.  He stutters, he stammers, he slurs.  That which impairs speech also impairs judgment.... not that he generally demonstrates great judgment IMO.

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I also just watched the clip, I think the "let it go" comment was directed to the moderator. 

Novak wanted Carville reigned in a bit/lot as he'd had been needling Novak throughout the show - mostly off mike and too quietly for the public to hear what he was saying.  They both were acting this way actually.

It was a very interesting show to watch as a result, I'm sorry that Novak left before the Plame discussion.  Hopefully there will be a rematch!

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Most likely, in my opinion (given what Carville said that set Novak off), is that Carville knows that Novak spilled the beans on who his source was for the Plame story. Bob Novak most likely doesn't like the idea of jail and gave up his source. "Show 'em you're tough." He didn't, and Carville _knows_ this...

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It is more than clear that Novak was pulling a typical RepubliCon tactic of feigned outrage. Novak knew the uncomfortable questions were coming, so he looked for an excuse to bolt. Any other day, he would have responded to Carville's remark with an eyeroll. The truth behind the bolt is in Henry's comment:

Ed Henry stated at the end of the segment:  "Thanks, James Carville. And I'm sorry as well that Bob Novak left the set a little early. I had told him in advance that we were going to ask about the CIA leak case, he was not here for me to be able to ask him about that. Hopefully, we'll be able to ask him about that in the future."

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And now, suddenly, the link to the video at CNN is nowhere to be found.

I think it's fairly obvious that Novak was trying to make a joke about having the same makeup problems as Harris. Which just adds violent mood swings to the mix.


I go with the martini theory. 

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I guess I'm confused.  I really didn't understand the Carville/Novak exchange.  What's B.S.?  I wonder if Novak is getting some heat behind the scenes for not falling on his sword for Rove and Libby (you know he must have talked to the Grand Jury)?  Any takers?

I want to make one comment on make-up.  I have a little experience with this, in general, your make-up looks lighter when it's photographed.  That's why in general performers wear heavy make-up, because it gets washed out in the lights/pictures.  Katherine Harris must have really put on make-up with a trowel to look like she did in those 2000 pictures.

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I'm happy to see speculation that Novak was bombed, because that was my first reaction, too. I try to avoid watching him, in general, so I don't know what he's normally like.

Who knows though?  He could have snapped under the pressure of the investigation. Maybe Carville's dig hit a little too close to the bone. Maybe he thought the host and Carville were ganging up on him.

In any case, what an unexpected delight! 

avatar Wouldn’t that be funny if Novak wigged out about what they were actually talking about?  The “people alter my make-up too” line?
Think about it – what the hell does that mean?  Novak wears makeup?  Out in a public place where people will photograph him?  AND, on top of that, to fuck with him newspaper photo-editors make the make-up look more pronounced than it is?
Maybe he was telling the truth.  He was really sad about what Katherine Harris said happened to her, he identifies with her pain, and in a moment of emotional blindness he forgets the cameras are rolling and says, (actually from the transcript) “I’ve had the same experience as she had.  A lot of my troubles in the world is that they’ve doctored my make-up and colorized me in a lot of the newspapers – my picture.”  Then, realizing his slip, he thinks, “Shit!”  And Carville has got those big saucer ears, so Novak knows he’s heard what he said.  Carville starts to lay into him, and then, feeling panicked, POOF! Bela Lugosi swipes his cape in front of his face and disappears.

That's my theory.
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Novak did not appear drunk to me, and there was nothing particularly odd about the body language between him and Carville if you've been watching both men for the last however many years.  Par for the course for both of them.  Novak has bad false teeth, slurs his words, stutters and frequently approaches incoherence.  If he was drunk, he's also been drunk before virtually every television appearance in the last 10 years or so.

Re the transcript-- most folks probably aren't aware of this, but none of the networks do their own transcripts.  It's all farmed out to one of several independent transcription companies, who employ a mix of part-timers and freelancers of varying skill levels, all of whom are under extraordinary pressure to get the transcripts out instantly, with accuracy a secondary consideration to speed.

Personally, I found it impossible to untangle the back and forth on the video and figure out what Carville said just before Novak flipped, so I imagine it wasn't clear to whoever was transcribing the show today, either.

So CNN didn't "scrub" the Wall Street Journal remark, the transcriber just didn't hear it clearly through all the noise.

I'm also most intrigued by the Ed Henry statement at the end.  What purpose did that serve, other than to signal the audience that either Henry and/or the producer of the show and/or the director, whoever was calling the shots at that point, were pissed as hell and believe the upcoming Plamegate questions were the reason for the temper tantrum.

I can't think of any other reason for that statement, nor for the fact that the director kept the camera shot framing Novak's departing back, and then at a wide enough angle to keep his obviously empty chair in the picture for some time thereafter.

 Hey, Josh, got any inside CNN contacts that could pass on the scuttlebutt?  The whole thing was really extraordinary, and totally out of line for the way networks typically handle these kinds of things.  Somebody's sending a message....

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Novak is appearing with Carville whose wife Mary Matalin may have been involved due to her participation in the WHIG (White House Iraq Group) which was allegedly trying to find a way to organize disinformation against Joe Wilson and his wife.

CNN putting Carville on with Novak might have just freaked Novak out enough that he couldn't stand it. It must be hard when one has been spreading so much disinformation for years to be confronted with someone whose wife might be involved in your latest efforts.

Just a hunch here. Because, as much as Carville is taken for granted as an ardent Democrat there's still that question for some of us as to how he deals with a wife who is so close to Dick Cheney and who was horrified when Clinton won because she was convinced that Poppy Bush had it in the bag.

Not to say that husbands and wives can't seperate their jobs and just leave it all at the "office" when they come home. But, "Politics" is a 24 hour a day job...it would seem to be very hard for such strong political beliefs (such as Carville and Matalin have for the opposite sides of the spectrum) not to some how "intrude" from time to time over the pillow.

And, Novak couldn't stand to look at Carville knowing that his wife was no different from himself (Novak).

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He's manifestly different here from his usual persona. Yes, he seems languid, aloof, olympian sometimes; here he seemed sloppy, vague, unfocussed. The remark about Reagan was totally incoherent. The trajectory of his thoughts is bizarre. he;s drunker here than W was at that wedding some years after he'd given booze up. He and W should go mountainbiking and perhaps grab a pretzel when they return home.

(Bush is obviously still a drunk--the inexplicable bruises, the chainsmoking wife...)

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Indeed!  Good observation.  Despite my snark above, I felt it was a public canning.

Was I right in hearing that this was the first time Novak has been on CNN in some time?  After crossfire got cancelled or whatever?  It makes sense.  He returns, but the atmosphere has changed.  CNN decided, this Plame story is News (yes, with a capital "N") and we're gonna ask this guy the tough questions.

Novak was played for the fool and coward he is.  Despite that, he realized he was being betrayed by his network fathers, and off he went.

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Carville was, I think, trying to bait Novak about squealing before the Grand Jury.  The Right knows he talked and thinks he's a wimp for not going the full Judy Miller on Fitzgerald.  It was like Ali's knockout in the second Lison fight.  Nobody saw it but it knocked Novak out.

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My reaction watching the whole show was that Novak and Carville were needling each other throughout.  I also have watched these shows for quite some time. 

Carville's reaction to this tension was to get down low in his chair, head in hand, looking to the floor off the desk (when he wasn't turning his back to the camera to stick Novak with some verbal jab.

Novak's reaction to this situation was to lean way back in his chair and stare off stage to his left, when he wasn't turning toward Carville to confront him.

It was also clear that this friction continued during commercials and while video clips were shown (K Harris for example).

Novak clearly was more uncomfortable with Carville's needling than visa versa, thus his final "bullshit" comment and then asking the moderator if he was going to just "let it go."  When this was ignored he walked off.

It was a very interesting pairing and I do wish he'd stayed for the Plame segment.  Looking forward to a rematch.

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CNN just announced Novak's suspension, and issued an apology (but not an apology for inflicting Novak on the viewing public for all these many years).

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How long before we hear the Palmeiro defense: he never intentionally (a) took the 5th (b) ratted out Rove.

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Agreed. Some say this is normal for Novakula, but it's the first time it's ever struck me that he was drunk. And it was soooo obvious.

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Here is the video incase you missed it.

Novak Freaks on the Set!
As has been reported, Robert Novak stormed off the set of " Inside Politics" today during a session with James Carville while they were talking about Katherine Harris. (Was it the make-up!)

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So what would make an experienced commentator drunk on the air?

Dull analysis:

  1. It's got to be much worse than "Novak shows up on TV drunk"; Novak's done TV before.
  2. It's not good news; that was no celebratory drunk. (see: the cast of Cheers after their last show).
  3. If he was actually drunk, he knew going in that his career was already over. You don't go to your job drunk if you expect to keep your job.

So what would force him to drink?  Any of these might (aka fan, meet feces.):

  1. A realization of the inevitability of fate: he learned 3 or 4 hours before broadcast that someone squealed.
  2. Papers were served (privately).
  3. He just figured out that he's the fall guy, and he's going to fall really really hard.
  4. He's just been betrayed (could this be why the comment about "acting tough for the right" have hit home?).

Working theory: Novak gets bad news 4-6 hours before showtime. It's awful; he decides to get drunk. Come showtime, he think's he's sober enough for the Plame interview. But as the show progresses, he realizes he's not going to get through the interview without swerving. Panicked, he decides he needs a reason to leave the show, so he chooses to get mad and leave. But he's too sauced, and over-reacts, swearing. He intended to leave, but realizes he's messed up bad and wanders meekly away. Novak left so that he wouldn't hit any more mailboxes, metaphorically speaking.

The only thing I've seen that fits the 3-4 hours-before-showtime timing is the AIPAC charges, which seem unrelated.

In most cases, when you stand up to them and expose them for the insecure frauds that they are, their only options are to run away in shame.

Novak is a bully who has been exposed. Nothing more, nothing less. His credibility is gone, his career in television is now surely gone, and is days as a journalist are short.

The fact that his last word on television was "bullshit" is also ironic, as bullshit is what this man has spewed for way too long.

Good riddance..

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I'm looking for clues in Carville's apparent snickering before the blow up.  Perhaps Carville was needling Novack about how squeelers are treated in the big house. 

"gotta show them your tough if you don't want to become someone's bitch. Ok wait, you're already Cheney's boy. Well, you'd better start showing them how tough you are before you become everyones play sack."

 

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Well, Carville is sure laughing like he thinks it's a huge joke.

Any chance Novak got advance notice that the WSJ editorial page is running something unkind towards him tomorrow?

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Novakula has always been a pain in the ass. Probably the charlatans in the White House have finally left him by the roadside as road-kill. He is alone now and will have to fend for himself. He is not equipped to do so. Some of his arrogance is still there, but his power is definitely diminished. His name should appear in the has-been column.

avatar When viewing the video, the most apparent aspect was that both Carville and Henry didn’t miss a beat during Novak’s walk off. Novak is no Jack Parr, who long ago did the deed with style and grace. It was a bush league walk off by a bush league guy.
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This is really not that complicated. Novak's supposedly bizarre "on the set" behavior was simply the culmination of something that must've started "off the set." It is almost certain that before they got on the set, he and Carville had a discussion on Plamegate during which Carville -- usually blunt and to the point -- must've said something that novak did not find amusing. Carville must have said something to the effect that Novak's now infamous column had no purpose other than to out Plame and punish Wilson on behalf of Rove and the White House. This ticked Novak off quite a bit. Now, they go on to the set, and Carville again suggests that that Novak is nothing more than an attack and lap dog for the wingnuts. This was more than Novak could take, and he snapped...

Yeah, the old man needed some time off and his dismissal tonight has not come a day too soon... I say: Good Riddance!

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Whatever CNN may have been planning before, it seems they've now sent him to the penalty box for a while.

I would say rather that he put himself in the penalty box, knowing he would be suspended and not have to answer any questions on TV for a week or so.  That allows him to retreat to the no-questions environment of his column.

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Time to jump in with my pet theory...

They say that confession is good for the soul. And by acccounts I've read here, Novak has converted to Catholicism.

I think what's eating Novak is that he really wants to come clean, and he's been told in very pointed terms to keep his mouth shut if he knows whats good for himself.

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. . . to me it was almost as funny to see Novak the same complaint as Katherine Harris.

Well, in all fairness, I think Novak was only making a joke at Harris's expense.  And it's obvious to me that Carville took it that way too, as he laughed along with it, and it was only after Novak turned serious about Harris's chances in the Senate race that Carville started to take digs at him.

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There's no telling what was said off camera before that segment or in the green room.  Carville might have been ribbing Novak about something like being a wimp just to get under his skin, then the comments on-air were a culmination of a previous conversation that just sent him over the edge.

The only reason I think that's what happened is because it doesn't make a lot of sense that those comments alone would get to Novak, I think there's more to it that we didn't see. 
Who knows, they could have been going at it good for a while before the cameras started rolling with Carville landing all the punches, rhetorically speaking. 

The other thing that tipped me off was the comment "just drop it."  Drop what?  It's not like Carville was harping on something, or was he?

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and then asking the moderator if he was going to just "let it go."

Oh!  I had thought he was instructing himself: "No, just let it go." But then I was puzzled as to why he didn't let it go and got up and walked out instead.  Your interpretation makes much more sense in light of what followed. 

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"high-mindedness" = tpm cafe = frequent intellectual masturbation

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i honestly think it ws just a personal thing between Novak and Carville. Carville made the dig about the WSJ, which I'm guessing here he had digged him with before the show. Could have been a real personal dig about his manhood or something. Hence Novak's "Just let it go." (Why would he say that unless there was a history to the comment?)

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Novak had already announced yesterday (8/3/05) in a speech to the Young America's Foundation National Conservative Student Conference that he would end live TV or radio interviews if any questions came up about his Plame treason.  

This was documented in today's (8/4) Financial Times's Observer section on their editorial page (ft.com, subscription required).  

Novak faked outrage at Carville's comment so he could leave before the host could bring up Plamegate.

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Well, you must remember that Murray Waas is a journalist, so it's not too surprising that he regards it as harmful to journalism for reporters to be giving up their confidential sources.

I disagree that the press has "conspired with the government to bury an important story for two years."  Granted, most of the MSM was less aggressive in pursuing the story than they probably should have been, but I quite honestly think that has more to do with laziness than with conspiring with the government.  And they couldn't very well have been writing stories pointing the finger at Karl Rove without any real evidence to support it.  The Bush Administration was saying that they knew absolutely that Rove was not involved.  Who in any official capacity was going on record to dispute that until Cooper decided to testify?  The press can't report news that it doesn't have.

But BTW, take the link to the transcript (or listen to the audio) of that Democracy Now! broadcast and check out what Joe Wilson has to say (toward the end of the interview) about Woodward not managing to sniff out a major story when he had such wide open access to the White House during the preparation of two books.  Novak isn't the only water boy in Washington.

 

avatar how about the fact that the last full thought he got out - coherent or not - was about people (Republican ones, that is) who have succeeded despite the Republican establishment not backing them?

No doubt some kind of exchange before the show left C tickled & N - well, not tickled. I don't quite believe Ed Henry was going to ask about Plame. How about the weaselly show was going to host Novak & NOT ask about plame? Then the penalty for walking off was that CNN got to make up the reason why....

Who cares if he's drunk? The real issue is that he once wrote a story that might have been illegal and that in no way had news value. He got caught in an act of obedience. Washington can be like those nature shows. I guess I'd drink.  
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The bad news could have been the Rosen and Weissman indictments handed down today in the AIPAC leak investigation. The NYTimes had this in its report ...

The indictment did not accuse any journalist of wrongdoing, but cited several conversations that Mr. Rosen and Mr. Weissman had with unidentified journalists as "overt acts" that furthered the conspiracy.
 
Maybe Novak was one of the "unidentified journalists" referred to in the indictments, and that means he will be called to testify in those trials.

Perhaps Novak is seeing the war cabal inside the Bush administration beginning to lose its grip, and knows that the Fitzgerald and FBI investigations may lead even as far as charges of espionage and treason.

All of that on his mind would put him in a touchy mood, to say the least. Being on the losing side when the battle is over is no fun.

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What was that hesitation after his comment?  He waited a moment, for the camera to focus on Carville maybe, then got up.  Like a professional actor waiting for his cue, then he gets up and stomps off, and the other two don't even look up at him.

I'm sure we'll hear sad stories about his condition any minute now, a death in the family, but really, he can't take the heat, he's a hack, and he's bitten off a piece of the real world and it's stuck in his craw.

Hopefully he can do some good in prison, teach the cons to write or something.

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Henry's response sent Novak storming off.  Shortly after Novak said, "Let it go," he stares directly at Henry.  He gave a final look of absolute scorn toward Henry as Carville cackled on.  I think Henry mouthed something to Novak which sent 'ole Bob storming off.  Novak must have felt like he was being set up on live television and left before it got even more out of hand.

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I sensed, at least in the Daily-Show repeat, that Novak was startled/surprised by something. I think he suddenly reali