Problem for Bolton?
I just posted a short blurb about this over at the mother ship. But something just popped out at me. The Times today says that new nominees like Karen Hughes had to disclose any legal proceedings they'd recently been involved in (not sure of the precise wording). That's how they know she testified before the Plame grand jury. Bolton didn't disclose; so they took that to mean he hadn't.
But NBC's David Shuster reported last night that Bolton had been called to testify. Either someone's reporting is wrong. Or Bolton failed to disclose that small detail.
You have any thoughts on this, Steve?














<i><span class="Apple-style-span">That took that too mean he hadn't been called.</i><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span">"They took that to mean that he hadn't been ..."?</span>
July 22, 2005 9:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bolton did testify? Well, well, well...the plot thickens for both Plame-gate and Bolton's nomination. If he had to testify it means he had knowledge of or a hand in the information flow on Plame. I wonder if the "It slipped my mind", aka the "I forgot to tell you about that", defense is about to be used?
July 22, 2005 9:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
When did Bolton supposedly testify? He may have testified after he filled out the forms, which, if so, means that Fitzgerald has new information or has widened the scope of his investigation recently.
July 22, 2005 9:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
So what's to be done? If Bolton didn't disclose his involvement (via being questioned in regard to the Plame outing) then what options does Congress have? Can he be impeached or is this a matter of Bush deciding his fate? Perhaps we should be expecting another round of promotions and awards...
July 22, 2005 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
That would be even better news than Bolton being caught lying about whether he had testified.
July 22, 2005 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Playing Bolton's Advocate, does the mere fact that he
testified before the Grand Jury necessarily mean that he was involved in this mess?
Fitzgerald could have just been casting a wide net, and the fact that the leak had a WMD connection would be reason enough to call for Bolton's testimony, given his job title and position description.
July 22, 2005 9:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
All the better for us, though...if it comes to criminal wrong-doing I'd rather have the federal courts deciding his fate than the current U.S. Senate.
July 22, 2005 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this is right. Adopting an accounting/SEC-like standard for reporting relevant legal matters, merely being called to testify would not rise to the level of something necessary to report.
Were he a "target," or probably even a "subject," it would be different IMO. But I haven't heard any hints of that.
July 22, 2005 9:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The "Who are you gonna believe-me or your lyin' eyes?" defense is only going to go so far for these guys.
At some point there will be one, and only one, conclusion to draw-that dozens of journos colluded to destroy the administration by exposing a CIA agent, without obviously having one shared common goal for doing so-or primary access to the information-- or that key administration players disseminated classified information and then colluded (CONSPIRED) to cover their tracks, shift blame (OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE) and then lied (PERJURED) themselves to the grand jury.
This is getting more and more interesting. we'll see how these people twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain how this is not as important as Clinton lying about sex to the grand jury. we will also see how much cognitive dissonance the remaining Bush supporters are able to tolerate.
July 22, 2005 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Bolton was called to testify before the grand jury there must have been indications (probably through the testimony of others) he either knew of or was part of the outing. I am not accusing him of anything except, at a minimum, knowledge of what was going on.
July 22, 2005 10:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
What amuses me is that all this recent news obviously makes "inoperative" the silly Rove claim last week that he was just noodling along talking about homeland security personnel decisions with Novak and welfare reform with Cooper when Wilson just happened to come up. But I haven't kept track of all the BS -- what other parts of the initial Rove 'actual innocence' scenario so beloved of the right wing bloggers and media have already crumbled, and have any of them admitted it?
July 22, 2005 10:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
the Senate about his involvment in this legal issue, his testifying leads me to believe (admittedly w/out much evidence at this point, just sneaking suspicion) he's also up to his eyeballs in the whole Plame affair. After all, he was requesting all sorts of classified documents, wasn't he? Makes you wonder if the Dems in the Senate were going after this stuff so hard during his confirmation because they already had an inkling what was in them, like, maybe info on Plame, info that eventually found it's way Rove, Libby, Novak et al.
July 22, 2005 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the really important question here is the following - if John Bolton is "part of an ongoing criminal investigation" can Bush make him a recess appointment to the UN? Whether or not he is a target, if he testified he is part of the investigation....does the administration's inability (unwillingness) to talk about an ongoing criminal investigation extend to this scenario?
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July 22, 2005 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
Perhaps he was just too busy screaming at underlings and chasing them through hotels in dangerous foreign cities?
I have a feeling some of the quotes ReThUGs used to voice their support for him going to the UN are gonna come back to haunt.
July 22, 2005 10:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
I took it to mean he DID testify. Otherwise, there is nothing to disclose. If they said he failed to disclose that he was once convicted of murder, wouldn't you assume he was, in fact, convicted of murder? If he did not testify, wouldn't they just say that?
July 22, 2005 10:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
I saw Shuster's report on MSNBC and the first thing I thought was "Ah, that's why the republicans have gotten so silent on Bolton."
I was certain that Bush would do a recess appointment before seeing this report. Now, I'm not so certain. If Bolton could face an indictment, would Bush want him to be in office? It seems like having to fire Bolton right after appointing him would be a big embarassment--maybe even too big for this brazen administration.
July 22, 2005 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
One wonders if any involvement in this matter is reflected in the papers the White House is refusing to turn over to the Senate. No way of finding out, I suppose.
July 22, 2005 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
Michael Isikoff and John Barry had this little piece from the May 9 Newsweek/MSNBC thing.
Bolton's request for 10 intercepts with U.S. names has set off a D.C. guessing game: Did he want info to undermine rivals like Korea expert Jack Pritchard, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, or even Colin Powell? Was he trying to check up on U.S. representatives to nuclear talks between Iran and Europe? Hoping to find out what two members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said to Iran's U.N. ambassador? Wondering what the NSA had on an unnamed U.S. journalist?
The NSA indicates it will this week deliver full documentation on Bolton's requests to the Senate Intelligence Committee, which then will have to figure out how to publicize the contents without leaking sensitive intel.Related?
July 22, 2005 10:36 AM | Reply | Permalink
And what the heck is up with this sentence in this morning's Times piece:
"In the week after Mr. Wilson's article appeared, Mr. Bolton attended a conference in Australia."
Why would the reporters include this tidbit in their piece? Seems to come from out of nowhere and have no bearing at all on the larger story. Weird.
July 22, 2005 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bolton was nominated on March 7, 2005.
Save for the testimony of Cooper and Miller, Fitzgerald's investigation was essentialy complete by October 2004.
Therefore, Bolton testified at least six months prior to his nomination.
Now, whether it was actually far enough back for him to conviently "fail to recall" the fact that he testified is an open question.
July 22, 2005 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
You wrote ... "Why would the reporters include this tidbit in their piece?"
It may have been Bolton's way of distancing himself from the shenanigans that were taking place aboard Air Force One and in the White House that same week. Remember, everyone is in survival mode now that Bush and Rove are wounded.
July 22, 2005 10:42 AM | Reply | Permalink
And it goes something like this:
Bolton gets info on Plame from the interecepts, info goes to Rove/Libby/Fleischer via the infamous memo, info goes to Novak et al.
If Fitz has access to those intercepts he can trace the chain of possession of that intel down the line.
July 22, 2005 10:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
There was a time when Australia would be far enough from Washington for Bolton to distance himself from the dirty tricks. But these days, with sat phones and e-mails, the only plausible distance would be interplanetary in scope.
July 22, 2005 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
Cognitive dissonance among Bush supporters? No way. Once you accept that the earth is less than 10,000 years old then abilty to doubt your chosen leader sort of drips out of your brain.
July 22, 2005 11:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Anyone know if the questionnaire was SF-86, a standard form to be filled out to get a security clearance? It would be useful to know the exact wording of the question that prompted Karen Hughes to note the Valerie Plame investigation while John Bolton apparently did not. Question 29 doesn't seem quite right to me, as a grand jury investigation doesn't seem to fit:
Have you been a party to any public record civil court actions not listed elsewhere on this form?
http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdf_fill/SF86.pdf
July 22, 2005 11:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Why does everyone who commented here believe what David Shuster blurted out on Hardball? If Bolton did testify in the Plame case it is on the record and should be fairly easy to verify.
July 22, 2005 11:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
Certainly Bolton would be of interest to Fitzgerald. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bolton's Chief of Staff at the State Department (or some similarly high ranking member of his personal team) on loan from CIA?
Consider the role the State Department memo plays in this thing...and considering how Bolton's guy would be in a position to know about Plame from his time at CIA...and considering the role Bolton was playing within a State Department that was otherwise arguing the yellow cake story was fake....of course Fitzgerald would drag him in.
Bolton personified the toxic cross-contamination between politics and national security that had Rove and Libby writing George Tenet's CIA speeches and the such. The number one criticism about the guy centered on his penchant for undermining or intimidating anyone who presented facts that disagreed with his politics. Someone like Joe Wilson would have been right in his wheelhouse.
July 22, 2005 11:53 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish that some liberal group would start to run anti-recess appointment Bolton ads soon. Between Bolton's possible involvment in manipulating intelligence, possible lying to Congress on his participation in the CIA leak grand jury, his alleged attempts to force his wife to have group sex (see citation below), his chasing people around who disagreed with him and trying to physically intimidate them, and his trying to ruin the careers of those who disagreed with him, etc. ... there is just so much about Bolton that would make for dramatic and effective television viewing. If the public got a good sense that this is the kind of guy that Bush has been appointing to positions of power, and that this is the kind of guy that Bush wants to represent us in front of the rest of the world, it will help expose Bush's real lack of values. It will make Bush less credible every time he claims to represent America's family values. Ads about Bolton might provide sufficent pressure to deter Bush from making a recess appointment. And it will make Democrats more credible in opposing Bush on other matters.
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/larry_flynt_bolton_511
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-04-20-whitehouse-bol
ton_x.htm
July 22, 2005 12:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
you and me both, bruddah
July 22, 2005 12:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
I have a post up at CardCarryingMember asking this very question, as well as another.
July 22, 2005 1:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
with a '2' instead of attempting to answer it.
July 22, 2005 1:31 PM | Reply | Permalink
Can you be fired for lying to a Grand Jury, and win the Medal of Freedom? Enquiring minds want to know.
July 22, 2005 1:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't believe Fitzpatrick is releasing any info as to who has testified. But you may be right about not believing Shuster.
July 22, 2005 2:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
You could email Pluto in about 6 hours. Bolton would have had to be somewhere out beyond the Kuiper belt to alibi himself.
If anything, someone threw out this tudbit to flag us as to what phone records are being examined. Distance does make a difference in that respect, and not a helpful one to Bolton - even in Beltway circles, phone calls to Australia probably stand out.
July 22, 2005 3:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Bolton's Chief of Staff at the State Department (or some similarly high ranking member of his personal team) on loan from CIA?
Yes, Fred Fleitz - he has been "on detail," since August 2001, to John Bolton's staff from CIA's WINPAC division. He came at Bolton's request, first as Special Assistant and then "acting Chief of Staff." He testified in Bolton's confirmation hearings that he worked for both agencies (State and CIA), even though "I haven't received a personal evaluation since I left the Agency."
WINPAC is the Director of Intelligence Office for Weapons Intelligence Non-Proliferation and Arms Control at the CIA.
July 22, 2005 5:01 PM | Reply | Permalink
If the Bolton intercepts requested by Senate Dems include Plame/Wilson, that would of course, explain the WH's absolute refusal to provide them. However, according to CNN, at least, ALL requested info was provided to both Cmte. Chair Pat Roberts (another Roberts?) and Jay Rockefeller, the ranking member. See, e.g., here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/16/senate.bolton/. Had Plame/Wilson appeared on the list, Rockefeller presumably would have made some noise about it. Instead, he's been quoted as saying, in effect, that there's no "there" there. On the other hand, he may have missed the connection, or had some other reason not to raise a red flag, which raises the better question: why it's ok to provide the information to one Democratic Senator, but not all. See here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8017664/site/newsweek/
And here: http://rockefeller.senate.gov/news/2005/pr061405a.html
In addition, it appears that being "out of town" and therefore not involved, is part of Bolton's signature m.o. See here.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7577473/site/newsweek/
This Isikoff & Hosenball piece also reminds us that in his 10requests for NSA intercepts, Bolton asked specifically for the names of "U.S. officials," and that "Bolton has engaged in a pattern of bullying and attempting to victimize subordinates—particularly career intelligence officials—who have produced analyses that conflict or contradict Bolton's own hard-line conservative views on world events," which is, of course, exactly what happened to Plame.
July 23, 2005 8:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
You want "thickens"? I'll give you "thickens"
From www.thewashingtonnote.com:
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John Bolton Was Regular Source for Judith Miller WMD and National Security Reporting
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TWN has just learned from a highly placed source -- and in the right place to know -- that John Bolton was a regular source for Judith Miller's New York Times WMD and national security reports.
The source did not have any knowledge on whether Bolton was one of Miller's sources on the Valerie Plame story she was preparing, but argues that he was a regular source otherwise.
It's all "thickening".
I always fantasized that one small thread would lead to the unravelling of this corrupt administration, but this is more than one small thread. The Plame Affair will turn out to be the rope they've all hung themselves with.
Where's Condi and Rummie in all this? Their name is bound to pop up at the rate this thing is going. And is this where Powell finally gets his paybacks and saves his reputation for posterity? Hope so...
July 23, 2005 10:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bolton - '03 trip Australia and NSA Intercepts
Australia questions - logical answer
July 9,10 Meeting Brisbane Aust. for Proliferation Security Initiative (PSI, led by Bolton)
see Arms Control Today, September 2003, pg 27
NSA intercepts, Bolton, Senate and CNN
Yes - Bolton requested and got full NSA intercept transcripts
No - Senators did not see full NSA transcripts. Roberts and Rockefeller, as Sen Intelligence Commtte leaders, only shown transcripts with names of Americans and American companies redacted.
so
CNN wrong to say they saw full transcripts
July 23, 2005 10:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
Red herring alert -- watch for Team Rove to release into the mainstream of discussions as diversion. If they can get people debating irrelevant points and subsequently disprove them, then it has the effect of dismissing the entire issue.
July 23, 2005 11:58 AM | Reply | Permalink
The mooted Bolton defence of "I was in Australia/the Kuiper belt/the Oort cloud at the time" would be embarrassing to true believers as it assumes the earth is round, not flat.
July 24, 2005 1:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
I haven't seen his name on any lists of people known to have testified.
Steve Clemons, July 23, 2005:
It is still not confirmed for certain."After personally speaking with those involved in the MSNBC reports, I will maintain my position that I believe that Bolton has met with the grand jury."
July 25, 2005 9:10 AM | Reply | Permalink