State Got It Right on Niger
That secret State Department memo, which mentioned Valerie Wilson had suggested her husband as someone to send to Niger, wasn't about the Wilson trip at all. The Post reports that only two sentences of the memo were devoted to the Wilson issue.
It's real purpose? "Almost all of the memo is devoted to describing why State Department intelligence experts did not believe claims that Saddam Hussein had in the recent past sought to purchase uranium from Niger." In fact, State had opposed sending Wilson to Niger "because the State Department, through other inquiries, already had disproved the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger."
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Why do you think that President Clinton, Kenneth Pollack and others from the Clinton Administration believed Saddem had WMD. I know that WMD is a great issue than Niger and that you might be able to say. However, it seems to me this issue along with George Tenet's Medal of Freedom has not been discussed enough.
July 21, 2005 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
A respectable polity would long since have conducted a thorough examination of the shameful manner in which intelligence was suppressed, twisted and exaggerated, in order for Cheney and the Neo-Cons to carry out their nation-grab of Iraq.
Instead, the GOP have exploited their dominance of Congress to make a travesty of the democratic process. We have not had a proper investigation of the politicizing of WMD-evidence in the pre-war period, in spite of Congress and the White House professing this would happen, though after last year's elections.
Nor has Congress taken seriously David Kay's request that Congress investigate the politicizing of WMD-intelligence, which led him to resign as head of the ISG.
Fortunately, it appears as if it is all coming to light now, albeit in no manner that will bring credit to either the administration or its too willing GOP lackeys.
July 21, 2005 7:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
I have a real problem with "others believed it too", as though that excused anything.
I believed Saddam had WMD also. So what? My beliefs had no consequences for anybody.
I certainly had no power to sell a war on the basis of my beliefs. Only a small group of people in this country had that power. They sold the war, and they were wrong. The consequences that should follow from a monumental mistake do not depend on motive, but on result. What happened to responsibility?
July 21, 2005 7:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daniel, I don't think it's possible to have that conversation without distinguishing between different types of WMD -- particularly nuclear and everything else.
July 21, 2005 7:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
In fact, State had opposed sending Wilson to Niger "because the State Department, through other inquiries, already had disproved the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger."
Which implies that the war against Wilson was simply an extension/continuance of the War against State and CIA that was ongoing pre-war. That would be the agit-prop war about how 'Foggy Bottom' and 'Langley' (and Colin Powell) were all populated by a bunch of pro-terrorist/pro-Saddam panty-waists. Said war rumbled on for many months before and after the war.
Since the CIA and State had already been tried and convicted in absentia of conspiring to help Saddam (if I am remembering the rhetoric correctly), Wilson popping up with his op-ed was just proof of further CIA shenanigans.
Clearly then, Plame and Wilson were CIA assets (which is true in some sense, actually) and operating against the administration (which also became true) because they loved Saddam. Therefore 'blowing the whistle' on Plame was just exposing the evil conspiracy. Maybe they even helped Saddam deliver the fertilizer to Timothy McVeigh!
This channelling of Dick Cheney brought to you by the letters K and R.
Bonus paranoia: liberals (hawks?) kept praising Colin Powell, which clearly proved he was a pinko tool and provided an excuse to put his nuts in a vise, AND THEN the Mark Felt thing must have caused some really severe cases of um, rectal clamping. And NOW people are conspiring to complain about this honest act of whistle-blowing. Wow. The Jewish-Bolshevik er, grey alien abductors er, Terrorist Traitor Press Conspiracy has tendrils everywhere, man!
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['Say, this Roberts dude looks pretty good. I'll bet he's too honest a judge to simply vote to overturn existing precedent willy-nilly.']
July 21, 2005 8:00 AM | Reply | Permalink
An interesting detail in the WashPo article is its sources:
I think the quote makes clear that this information is coming from the prosecutors, i.e., from Fitzgerald's people. Yesterday's WSJ article also appeared to be based on a Special Prosecutor leak.
This new leakiness is surprising given that when Fitzgerald was going after Cooper and Miller, no one could get wind of his game. He was airtight. Now, suddenly, leaking like a sieve.
So what do folks think? Is this just a discipline problem? Or is it deliberate? Is Fitzgerald perhaps engaging in some PR pushback against Rove et al.'s recent bamboozlement attempts, i.e. dispelling the "Plame wasn't covert" line? Could he be racheting up the pressure to see if he can get Rove to change his story a third time, i.e., more evidence that Rove's been lying to authorities?
In any event, as each day goes by, Fitzgerald looks more and more effective.
July 21, 2005 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
“The memo was delivered to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell on July 7, 2003, as he headed to Africa for a trip with President Bush aboard Air Force One. Plame was unmasked in a syndicated column by Robert D. Novak seven days later.”
So on July sixth Wilson attacks Bush via the New York Times, on The very next day the memo is delivered to Powell who is traveling to Africa with Bush on Air force 1. One week later Plame’s cover is blown by Novak.
The evidence is circumstantial but pretty damning and there seems to be a good deal of coincidences going on here. It is kind of hard not to put two and two together, one might almost think Bush was in on this along with Rove, perish the thought.
I wonder what part, if any, Powell played in this other than receiving the memo on his way to Air Force One.
July 21, 2005 8:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
I am sure that is true. I just remember Clinton being on CSPAN saying he would not criticize Bush for being wrong about WMD because he too was told Iraq had them. Pollack has all but apologized for his role in the run-up to the Iraqi War.
Something was woefully wrong with the intelligence about WMD. If they should be distiguished nuclear from biological and chemical I don't disagree. I have no doubt that it wac Condi's "mushroom cloud" that drove American support for Bush's follies in Iraq.
July 21, 2005 8:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the big-ticket thing regarding the WaPo article is really the backstory: someone from State won't shut up, and he won't let this story get knocked off the front.
Details at CardCarryingMember....
July 21, 2005 8:19 AM | Reply | Permalink
You wrote ... "The Post reports that only two sentences of the memo were devoted to the Wilson issue. "
This is true of Valerie Wilson only, according to the Post. We don't know how much, if any, of the three-page memo was devoted to Joe Wilson and his trip to Niger. Obviously something was included, to which the "Valerie works at CIA and recommended her husband" footnote was referenced. Keep in mind that discrediting Joe Wilson's Op-Ed proposition was the main thrust of the leak. Outing Valerie was just a slip up in the process of doing so.
July 21, 2005 8:28 AM | Reply | Permalink
Daniel, Saddam did have biological and chemical WMD at some point, so at that point, there was nothing wrong with the intel that saddam had them. The kay report indicates that Clinton's air strikes took care of the, was it the chemical or biological, i can't recall?
The advantage of the inspectors (which, of course, was part of saddam's hatred for them) was that they included intel among their number, so we could have a reasonable idea. Once the inspectors were gone, everything was pure guesswork.
And as Rumsfeld said at some congressional hearing, we didn't really have any new intel on iraq; what we did was look at the intel we had through the prism of 9/11.
as someone said up above, a true responsibility administration would care how we got it wrong, but this admin doesn't care: they know how we got it wrong. We assumed the worst, took out all the caveats, and sold a war that the bush administration wanted under any circumstances.
July 21, 2005 8:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
I would just add to the other responses you rec'vd on this -- remember the RDX? That was "WMD" (at least in the sense of the word that BushCo used it). The inspectors knew Saddam had it and knew exactly where it was. And they told BushCo to guard it.
Oops.
July 21, 2005 8:46 AM | Reply | Permalink
I presume that people that were interviewed about the memo could have leaked this information and they'd be a little familiar with this aspect of the investigation - since they maybe were interviewed (or friends of someone that was interviewed). So I don't think you necessarily tie this back to Fitzgerald.
But... someone does want this on the front page.
July 21, 2005 8:52 AM | Reply | Permalink
All the Republican diversions cannot take away the fact that this Rove affair is all about the 16 Words. Fixing the facts around the policy.
Those 16 Words should never have been in the SOTU. Neither should the aluminum tubes.
In my book, cherrypicking intel is lying. How Republicans can somehow twist this Iraq debacle into something honorable and worthy of our nation is beyond me.
July 21, 2005 8:59 AM | Reply | Permalink
As best I can tell Bush doesn't think he has done anything wrong. I find Bush's certainty almost scarier than any particular policy. Yet obviously Rove thinks this works politically. Why is evidence of thought bad politically?
July 21, 2005 9:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's interesting that this leak investigation is creating a paper trail story of the thought process within the administration in the lead-up to war. One of the most nefarious GOP memes after it all want to crap was the fact that everyone in the world thought Saddam had WMD, so we can't blame the Administration for getting it wrong. And yet this memo and other details that have come out tell a different story.
Most of the international community, and the previous Administration, had suspicions, but were smart and diligent enough to decide that there was ambiguity there, and it needed to be explored. Bush, Cheney and company didn't just passively take that same info and go to war with it, they twisted it, teased out the nuggets they wanted, and kept the CIA, Feith, Bolton and others back over the skimpy intel again and again until it could be beaten into sufficiently damning shape. At the same time, anyone telling a different story, such as the UN's growing case that the WMDs were phantoms, was demonized and outcast.
And then after the fact, all of this hard work and twisting and cajoling was swept under the rug with a blanket, "Hey, we were just acting on what everyone thought was the case." Well, nobody outside the administration (nd many inside it who had the raw intel at their fingertips) was itching for war, nor were they so sure about the evidence. These documents aren't just highlighting the lies of Rove and others about this particular case, they are finally poking holes in the Big Lie that Bush and Cheney simply made honest mistakes that anyone in the world would have.
July 21, 2005 9:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the key sentence from the WaPo article is this one:
The Neo-Cons were going after everyone.Also, I've tried to tie the WaPo piece to Ray McGovern's latest (re: the ORIGINAL "Niger" memo) with my silly blog, here.
July 21, 2005 9:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Just a quick add to other responses to your question.
Iraq itself led others to believe it had WMDs for political reasons.
July 21, 2005 10:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
Everyone seems to be focused on the June 10, 2003, INR memo and its appearance on board Air Force One on July 7, 2003, as the start date for the White House learning about the Wilson involvement.
Keep in mind that Condi Rice, in her July 11, 2003 press gaggle on Air Force One during the Africa trip, confirmed that there was evidence that the information in the later INR memo was contained as a footnote in a the NIE that was used to prepare Bush's January SOTU address. She revealed that in trying to explain why the uranium reference was not included in Colin Powell's testimony before the UN seven days after Bush's SOTU speech announced it to the world. Reporters had asked what had happened in that week to discredit the 16-word uranium reference that the president had used in the SOTU, and which had been publicly disavowed on July 7. Rice explained that it was merely a difference in emphasis between the NIE and State's INR assessment. She refers to a footnote in the NIE, but there is every indication that the NIE footnote was essentially the information later contained in the JUne 10 INR memo. Both dealt with the same information that discredited the Niger yellowcake story that Bush and Cheney used in the runup to war.
July 21, 2005 10:32 AM | Reply | Permalink
I read your material, and thanks. But I couldn't find what you meant by "the ORIGINAL "Niger" memo". It was probably right there in front of me, but I missed it. Could you spell it out for me?
Thanks,
July 21, 2005 10:41 AM | Reply | Permalink
when will a Republican member of Congress stand up and demand accountability from this administration on the lead up to Iraq? is there one strong man or woman among them? someone without fear of political fallout? who will be the first Republican to call for hearings?
p.s. i'm not holding my breath...but i am holding out hope that the principles underlying the foundation of this great country, while buried beneath the mire of this administration, are still alive, waiting to be uncovered.
July 21, 2005 10:44 AM | Reply | Permalink
Really good point, one that I forgot all about. Saddam was not declaring anything destroyed because he was bluffing about the strength of his country so he didn't look weak to the Iranians. It was Iran he was worried about, not us.
I remember talking to right wingers clinging to the believe that Iraq had WMD, and the piece that they were missing, which I think came out in the Senate report on Iraq, the piece they couldn't figure out was, if Saddam didn't have WMD, why would he lie about it?
It's the bluff, stupid.
July 21, 2005 11:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I keep thinking about something Hans Blix said during a talk at Cal: He knew - "for certain" - by the end of May 2003 that there were no WMD to be found. David Kay knew, too, and had reported as much. But the White House asked him to "keep looking" ; in other words, as pure theatre, dumb show.
Meanwhile, Wilson is trying to get his truth out about the Niger trip. A week into June, State drafts a memo indicating they were already clear about uranium. In early July, Wilson goes public, and the plot is immediately hatched to discredit him. All of this was happening in the same time frame. - Can you feel the panic all around? Talk about palace intrigue.
David Kay - who was dealing with these guys and gal - asked for an investigation into the politicization of WMD Intelligence. Small wonder, Dave. If Fitzgerald's investigation is able to tie enough of these pieces together, even Republicans may have to become responsible citizens and do a serious inquiry. Hold the thought.
July 21, 2005 11:15 AM | Reply | Permalink
Right, but the timeline of the Africa trip was obviously when damage control set in...We have the WH derived article casting a shadow on Powell being given the memo via Armitage and the new Pincus article shedding more light on the secret status of the info.....Then we also have the fact that Condi was faxed info "the briefing book" while in Africa and the phone calls that proceeded from this as well as the gaggles you mention......I think the Powell info is a red herring....and that it was the info Condi received that set the ball rolling to cover-up the Wilson story. I think Powell or possibly Armitage anonymously told the press of phone calls to reporters.
Two things.....Condi's people were responsible for the SOTU speech and all the mistakes related to that intentionally or otherwise.
and Powell/Armitage people believed in the State Dept Intel.
July 21, 2005 1:15 PM | Reply | Permalink
Daniel,
Soemthing to remember, Clinton and the people from his admin stopped seeing top secret intel on Sadaam and Iraq in 2000. Thing like the Yellowcake story and so on were not disproven until State and the CIA strated investigating things a lot more after 9/11.
My guess is Sadaam was deliberately exagerating his capacity throughout the 90s becasue he needed to project to his neighbors that he was stronger than he was.
July 21, 2005 1:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
This also sheds some light on Rove's conversation with Cooper; lets grant Rove full benefit of the doubt that he is basically telling the truth, he was warning Cooper away from the Wilson story. Well the obvious reason to do that was to stop Cooper from digging further and finding that State had, previous to his trip, reached the same conclusions as Wilson. The 16 words become even less defensible as error and more obviously the deliberate act they were.
July 21, 2005 1:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
But we already knew that this memo was not the source because it uses Wilson and not Plame. By tossing it out there it creates confusion. Leaking it over and over it assures that we will accept it as the source. Next all we need to do is prove that Libby and Rove had no access, but we already did that. That was easy wasn’t it?
July 21, 2005 2:37 PM | Reply | Permalink
State got it right, and Colin Power let us know it in the Press Gaggle, July 10, 2003, on the trip to Africa. (I saw somewhere this gaggle had been removed from the WH website – don’t know if its true.) Powell’s remarks explicitly opened the question of whose judgment was relied upon to include the 16 words in the SOTUA, and he implied that his presentation at the UN was more credible than Bush’s SOTUA.
This is what Powell said:
And at the time of the President's State of the Union address, a judgment was made that that was an appropriate statement for the President to make. ……
when I made my presentation to the United Nations and we really went through every single thing we knew about all of the various issues with respect to weapons of mass destruction, we did not believe that it was appropriate to use that example anymore.
The definitive presentation of our intelligence case, frankly, was the presentation I made on the 5th of February.
And the case I put down on the 5th of February -- we stand behind. And the credibility of the United States was at stake when that presentation was put forward.
Rice tried to counter that impression the next day when she placed the responsibility for clearing the line in the speech solely on the CIA. It’s really remarkable – by my count she says at least nine times that the CIA cleared the line in the speech.
The CIA cleared the speech. We have a clearance process that sends speeches out to relevant agencies …. The CIA cleared the speech in its entirety.
That was relied on to, like many other things in the National Intelligence Estimate, relied on to write the President's speech. The CIA cleared on it. There was even some discussion on that specific sentence, so that it reflected better what the CIA thought. And the speech was cleared.
So the underlying documentation here is the NIE. The Agency cleared the speech and cleared it in its entirety.
And with the change in that sentence, the speech was cleared. Now, again, if the Agency had wanted that sentence out, it would have been gone. And the Agency did not say that they wanted that speech out -- that sentence out of the speech. They cleared the speech.
But again, David, we do have a clearance process and the Agency cleared it.
And she specifically said the DCI was responsible for delivering the judgment to leave the line in.
But the DCI is responsible for delivering a judgment, a consensus judgment of the intelligence community, which is called the National Intelligence Estimate.
Just in case the reporters don’t get it, she says at least four times that if DCI had wanted the line out, it would have been removed.
Now, I can tell you, if the CIA, the Director of Central Intelligence, had said, take this out of the speech, it would have been gone, without question.
And had we heard from the DCI or the Agency that they didn't want that sentence in the speech, it would not have been in the speech.
Now, again, if the Agency had wanted that sentence out, it would have been gone. And the Agency did not say that they wanted that speech out -- that sentence out of the speech.
But I can just assure you that if -- and I think -- maybe you want to ask this question of the DCI, but we've talked about it. If the DCI had said, there's a problem with this, we would have said it's out of the speech.
What is particularly interesting about this gaggle, is that one of the reporters actually asked why it was being held on the record and not on background, which apparently was the usual procedure.
So, does anyone know if this is the first time the administration publicly pointed the finger at the CIA?
July 21, 2005 5:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
You wrote ... "So, does anyone know if this is the first time the administration publicly pointed the finger at the CIA? "
Don't know about that, but it is an interesting coincidence that George Tenet's last day as DCI was exactly a year to the day after that press gaggle on July 11, 2003, in which Condi Rice shifted blame for the 14-word uranium-from-Africa statement to the CIA and DCI.
July 21, 2005 8:51 PM | Reply | Permalink
I may be wrong on this, but I don’t think Saddam misled the U.S. about having weapons that he didn’t have. That was how apologists for the war framed it later. The book-size report that Iraq provided to the U.N. lacked an account of a WMD stockpile that had been cataloged after the Gulf War. This stockpile had likely been destroyed back then, but there was no paperwork on it. This was proof to the Hawks that he was hiding WMD.
July 22, 2005 11:43 AM | Reply | Permalink
This response is a bit dated, but I missed your comment earlier. You raise a good point. My answer would be that we need to frame the issue in some sort of a chronology. I think you're correct about the report - the deception, if there was one, was earlier. I should have written "security reasons" rather than "political reasons." Obviously Saddam had problems with Iran, but he also had problems with Syria, and I'm sure he considered both as hostile so he would naturally want to puff-up his military capabilities.
August 7, 2005 3:59 AM | Reply | Permalink