Something Doesn't Fit

I don't think I'd heard of Edith Clement before this afternoon.  And one can't take much from short blurbs on CNN and the wires.  But the one nugget on Roe is that she's referred to it as 'settled law'.  If that quote is even close to an accurate reflection of her view on the constitutionality of abortion rights (perhaps it was just a statement of the fact that Roe is currently the law of the land), her nomination would quite simply mean war between the White House and the religious right.  And that makes no sense. 

I'm definitely one of those who thinks we shouldn't be viewing the entire appointment process through the prism of abortion rights.  But Bush's base does.

Like I say, something doesn't fit. 


Comments (49)

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Maybe Bush is just trying to do something decent.

 

 

 

...it could happen.

 

 

-sam 

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That was pretty funny! Bush trying to do something good! Ok, let's be serious now.

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Clement will not be nominee.

http://abcnews.go.com/ 

Roe v Wade is broadly popular.


The Republican coalition does not want to re-open Roe v Wade, no matter what the wingnuts want.


Seems pretty simple to me.


The logic is not that different from when Souter was selected.  On Roe v Wade at least, Souter was not accidental.


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Add to that the fact that the WH is under a pretty serious siege due to Plamegate, and for whatever bizarre strategic reason, they've decided to try going to the center to bail them out instead of resorting to the normal polarization strategy.


There's a first time for everything.

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I agree, Petey ... but, the rumors coming out now seem to be drifting us back away from Clement. If they've been floating a trial balloon all day to see how it played, they sure suckered people. But if they think that a bait and switch is going to help them now I think they've got another thing coming.

Things remain as crazy as ever, of course.

I've been tracking the rumors all day over at Charging RINO - feel free to stop by if you're interested. 

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(Rumor) It's the other 5th Circuit Edith.

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It is not that difficult or her to make that statement and still be anti Roe v. Wade.  A judge nominated to 5th Cir. making that statement is simply acknowledging that the Supreme Court has handed down Roe v. Wade and all circuit courts must follow it.  Thus, it is settled law. 

But if that judge were somehow appointed to the Supreme Court, it isn't inconceivable that the same judge who believed the law was settled, could also believe it is incorrect, and overturn the law should a majority agree. 

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I have slightly more faith in the bottom-line Machiavellians in this WH than to think that they would sacrafice a killer SCOTUS nominee, who would affect the legal future of this country for YEARS, so as not to rock the boat in the very-slightly-stormy waters of "Plamegate."

 

 

-sam 

As a federal judge below the Supreme Court Roe is settled law, but as a Supreme she could change the interpretation.  So the fact that she calls privacy and Roe settled law in her current gig doesn't neccessarily mean she will continue to think that after a promotion.

"I agree, Petey ... but, the rumors coming out now seem to be drifting us back away from Clement. If they've been floating a trial balloon all day to see how it played, they sure suckered people."


They're just dominating the news cycle to make sure the Rovian Interruptus takes two days instead of one.

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And Tradesports participants seem to have already figured that out. Or at least bet on it.

Read about it here.

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Something doesn't fit, for sure. Which tells me it ain't going to be Clement.  More likely it will be the other Edith (Jones) who is more of a hard-line conservative who is anti-Roe.

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It won't be Clement. This was the White House giving the wingnuts a loyalty test. Also, no doubt the hope is they'll feel grateful and relieved at the actual nominee even if s/he is not as far right as they might like.

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It won't be Clement. This was the White House giving the wingnuts a loyalty test. Also, no doubt the hope is they'll feel grateful and relieved at the actual nominee even if s/he is not as far right as they might like.

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Also, given the Valerie Plame Affair, this is NOT the time for Bush to be dissing his fundamentalist base.  Fervent support will do nothing to stop indictments, but it will be critical to shoring up Bush himself politically if people around him are indicted.

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Predicition: It will be Edith Jones.

Go read the concurring opinion she wrote in McCorvey's recent attempt to overthrow Roe...

http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/03/03-10711-CV0.wpd.pdf

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Since it is not Clements, my guess is, Bush will swing for the fences and appeal to his base.

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Might be the opposite tact they used to use at the beginning of the term when he asked for something so right-wing looney that Dems would dance for joy when they got an only slightly right-wing looney outcome.

So, maybe Bush scares the crap out of the evangelists with an only slightly right-wing looney choice to get them to jump for joy over his really right-wing looney choice, despite him being only mostly insane.

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ABC now has story up that Clement is NOT the choice(instead of just a headline...).

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She said it was settled law -- for her non-Supreme Court confirmation hearing.  In other words, appeals court judges have to treat Roe as a precedent.

But for Supreme Court justices?  Well, it's up to them to decide if precedents should be overturned, "settled law" or not.  

 

 

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They make him feel smarter than other people.

avatar The only comment by Judge Clement on Roe v. Wade that I can find was this exchange from her confirmation hearing for her appointment to the Fifth Circuit (via www.ACSblog.org -- permalink not working):

Question:  Do you believe the constitutional right to privacy encompasses a woman's right to have an abortion? Answer: The Supreme Court has clearly held that the right to privacy guaranteed by the Constitution includes the right to have an abortion. The cases handed down by the Supreme Court on the right to abortion have reaffirmed and redefined this right, and the law is settled in that regard. If confirmed, I will faithfully apply Supreme Court precedent.
All she says here is that she would respect the system of precedent and "faithfully apply" Roe v. Wade in her role as a Circuit Court judge.  Since only the Supreme Court itself has the power to overrule its own decisions, anything less would be a violation of her oath.  She did not say that Roe v. Wade was correctly decided, or that the United States Supreme Court should continue to reaffirm it. 

Absent any other public comments, it's just impossible to tell what her substantive views on Roe really are.  She could be chomping at the bit to overrule Roe, but I doubt it.   Such strongly held views would probably have come out at some point in her judicial career.  So while the less astute part of the Republican religious base will undoubtedly fly off the handle because of the "settled law" remark, it's possible that the inner circle of the Federalist Society is secretly pleased.  She may be just the type of stealth nominee the far right needs -- one who will work to erode the right to abortion not by a full frontal assault, but by chipping away at Carhart and some of the other post-Roe decisions. 
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Holy crap, Mike.  Now that opinion sounds like someone Dobson could get behind. 

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I haven't looked very closely at Clement's opinions (who outside the 5th circuit had before today?), but I've gone through a random sample of her appellate work, and it's all pretty straightforward stuff. She seems to delight in very close readings, so her work is both relentlessly logical and very precise. As for "the other Edith," well, her opinions are well-known....

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Call me an ignorant fool, but can we have a discussion about a Supreme Court Nominee where the first thing we talk about is NOT abortion?

Believe it or not, the court does more than render abortion and gay rights decisions. 

How many people does abortion affect on a daily basis verses business decisions, civil rights decisions, sentencing decisions, employment decisions, traffic stop decisions, intellectual property decisions, labor decisions, etc.?

And remember, even if abortion is lost on the SCOTUS level, that does not mean that states cannot enact their own statutes authorizing abortion.  Meaning, if the reasoning in Roe v. Wade is overturned, that the right of privacy is contained within the "penumbra" of the bill of rights (reasoning which was questioned by none other than Ruth Bader Ginsburg herself), it doesn't necessarily mean that abortion will be automatically outlawed across the country.  An intellectually consistent conservative nominee who opposes Roe would have to support the allowance of a state to allow abortion under the exercise of the regulation of public health and safety.

My only point is:  let's just remember the proportion that abortion affects our daily lives. 

love,

Ignorant Fool.

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I agree that it is not Clements the quasi moderate (as opposed to the other).  This group would never play to the middle.  They only play to their base.  It will most certainly be a right wing nut and totally test the nuclear compromise (which was not a comprmise but a delay of the show down).

Oh Memekiller:

Phone's ringing . . . 

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All of that is well and good and also true but its hard to deny that a candidate's opinion on Roe is a decent indicator of their judicial philosophy.  In other words, Roe itself is bigger than  simply the abortion issue.

avatar I've seen claims that Edith Jones was in chambers in Houston late today - not on a plane to DC.

Also, that Luttig was in DC, with wife, who was dressed up.

For what it's worth.
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Updates here, but current betting on Tradesports suggests Luttig may get the nod.

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abcnews.go.com results in an error message;  the story itself is here.

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I say that unless the nominee comes out and says that she feels Jesus wants her to end abortion and convert everyone to Christianity, then the Democrats should deny Bush the fight...

They should come back from recess and confirm almost immediately, and turn the focus back on Rove. Even better, the Democratic Leadership should trade a smooth confirmation for public hearings on the Plame/Leak. It's an offer of bi-partisan cooperation that is for the good of the country, and by refusing it, the White House is right back in the middle of their stonewalling act. 

Can't you just see Sen. Reid coming out of the White House and addressing the press?

"We tried to end the rancor and partisanship by agreeing to a quick confirmation, while at the same time offering to assist the President with his pledge to return honor and dignity to the White House by suggesting a bi-partisan congressional investigation that would bring transparency to the process to show the nation that they can trust their government to do what's right for the American People.

"We are saddened that the President refused this offer of cooperation, and disturbed by the lack of interest he showed in wanting to find the truth behind the breach of National Security centered around the leak of Valerie Plame's identity to the press.

"Ultimately, the American People need to ask themselves whose interests the President is really serving..."

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...it could happen.

Yeah, and I just might see pigs zipping past my third-floor window any day now...

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I agree with the consensus that it probably isn't Clement, and would only add that, if the object is to create a diversion from the Rove scandal, a polarizing nominee fills the bill better than an easily confirmed one.

"Like I say, something doesn't fit."


An accurate prediction.

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I saw that post. I agree, losing loved ones for a war that inspires more terrorists is indeed a bad lie. As is lying to out someone who could prevent a nuclear bomb from coming to our country, which could kill millions. Or outing a Pakistani double agent who could have led to dozens of arrests that prevented many others from being killed. Or lying about stem cell research that could save thousands. Or the billions who will be effected if we bring the world economy into a Great Depression, or those millions who lose their homes due to rising sea levels.

When we're talking about the costs of this Presidency in purely human terms, it's impossible to measure. Isn't it better to just all agree the man is hideously evil rather than wasting time debating the finer points of what evil the man has committed that hits the number one spot? Many, many more will die as a direct result of the Bush Presidency, and all will feel their loss is the most tragic. But the loss of human lives from Bush policy won't be limited to Iraq, I'm afraid, and each and every one of them deserves our unequivocal condemnation.

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than to think that they would sacrafice a killer SCOTUS nominee . . . so as not to rock the boat in the very-slightly-stormy waters of "Plamegate."

Don't forget that this is the same crew that sacrificed the career of a WMD operative in the middle of a "war on terror" whose primary focus (at one time, anyway) was WMD in order to score some political payback.  But it does begin to look as if they have been playing with the Washington reporters all day.

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While I agree with your lament that the abortion issue -- important as it is -- unduly swamps other critical issues, I do have to take issue with your rosy assessment of the potential post-Roe terrain.  Should Roe go down with the Congress in its current configuration, it is virtually certain that federal legislation outlawing abortion will be passed.  In that event, we may well see the on-again off-again states' rights bloc flip-flop once more -- as they did in the medical marijuana case, in which the sanctity of the (really rather silly) Wickard v. Filburn reasoning was upheld. 

I'd be interested to read something from an intelligent progressive minded mind on what the Chief Justice's decision to remain on the court for at least the duration of an O'Conner nomination means politically for the left.

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Since it is not Clements, my guess is, Bush will swing for the fences and appeal to his base. 

ABC did say he had told Clement that he had decided to go in "another direction."  And that, of course, almost certainly means the wrong direction.  :-|

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I also think that it is important to remember that it would be politically stupid (for the GOP) to overturn Roe v. Wade.  Why would they put their base less on attack mode, while at the same time encouraging many people who normally do not vote (i.e. single mothers, and women age 18-28) to go to the polls?  Call me a cynic but I believe that the architects of the GOP (read: Karl Rove) could care less about abortion.  They simply like the topic because it wins them elections not because they have a concern for the unborn.

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Also, that Luttig was in DC, with wife, who was dressed up.

Luttig was part of a 3-judge panel for the Fourth Circuit hearing the Padilla case today in Alexandria.  (And from the reports I heard, he was on the side of the government, encouraging them to argue that Padilla had indeed been seized on the battlefield--the battlefield being the U.S.  Good-bye habeas corpus.)

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We'll find out in 2 hours.

Bush does like his surprises, that's true. He's like a little kid that way. Or maybe he's more politically savvy than we think.

In any case, whoever it turns out to be, we shouldn't put too much faith in any previous statements supporting settled law, especially when that person was trying to be confirmed to a lower court. What else are they going to say?

But SCOTUS is a whole new ball game.

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I just heard Nina Totenberg on NPR's All Things Considered say that she had spoken with an attorney in Louisiana who had a meeting with Clement this morning in Clement's office. Totenberg stressed that Clement would have had time to get on a plane after the meeting and get to D.C., but Totenberg seemed to doubt that Clement is the one.

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I hear that the President has decided on nominating a stealth candidate that nobody knows much about. I hear his name is Bob, he's really soft on crime (literally), and lives in a pineapple under the sea. Also hear that Bush will announce that Rehnquist has resigned and will get to make another nomination, and that he's already decided on this second nomination. The second pick is apparently named Patrick.

Can anyone confirm?

 

:)
 

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I have two reliable sources who say that it's going to be Luttig.

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But Mr. Bush, who has promised to consult with the Senate in the selection process, appeared to rule out that possibility in his remarks in the East Room. "I, of course, am the person that picks the nominee, and they get to decide whether or not the nominee gets confirmed," Mr. Bush said. "That's the way it has worked in the past. That's the way it's going to work in this administration."

See, the way I look at this is, he didn't actually win either presidential election.  But he was himself picked by the Supreme Court in 2000 - over the guy who actually won.  And then in 2004, it was a matter of flipping votes on inscrutable machines, and making up unbelievable yarns to explain the exit polls. 

So it rankles more than usual that he "gets to" "pick".  And it also sounds like a schoolyard, where you "get to pick" your teammates...

This is just sick.

So it's gonna be Roberts? How bad is this?

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ABC and (via TPM) AP now say it's definitely Roberts.

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