More on Ivo's Point about Nigerien Uranium

As Ivo mentioned yesterday evening, whatever the British 'Butler Report' or the Senate (SSCI) report said about the quality of reporting that Iraq had tried to sell uranium Niger, the Iraq Survey Group -- which basically owned Iraq for more than a year -- found that there was no evidence whatsoever that Iraq had tried to purchase uranium from anywhere after 1991, let alone from Niger.  And for the reasons just stated, the ISG clearly trumps the two earlier reports. 

But one might go much further than that.  I've discussed over at TPM the various ways that Senate report is intentionally misleading and tendentious.  But what of the British Butler Report? 

The Butler Report -- in an explicit effort to retrospectively validate the president's '16 words' in the 2003 state of the union -- claimed that the British judgment had not relied on the forged Niger papers.  However, there was an earlier British parliamentary inquiry in September 2003 -- before the issue became such a political hot potato.  And that report makes clear that most of the British judgment was based on the forged documents.  (See a full explanation here).

This is but one example of how the Butler Report and the Senate intel report are political documents.  From start to finish. 


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Whitehall and the White House were in a complete panic after having invaded Iraq without Saddam having used WMD against their forces or finding any substantial evidence of WMD.
Which is why the spin-machines were sent into overdrive, to create doubt (powder found, artillery shells found, chemicals found - none of which panned out.Abu Ghraib was also a direct result of the failure to find WMD-evidence. In the months immediately following the invasion, Blair repeatedly claimed he was completely convinced WMD would be found - meanwhile, the Coalition was picking up Iraqis left and right, and subjecting them to torture, hoping someone, somewhere, would show them to a storehouse containing WMD.
When that failed, in order to contain the impending trouble on the horizon, two inquiries were initiated, the Butler inquiry and the SSCI. Both were used as cover, in McClellan style, allowing admin officials on both sides of the Atlantic to state that they would not express any opinion while inquiries were going on - both reports are heavily compromised by the political agenda behind them. Billmon derisively calls the SSCi the Whitewash report, whenever he refers to it, and with good cause.

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This is but one example of how the Butler Report and the Senate intel report are political documents.  From start to finish.

both reports are heavily compromised by the political agenda behind them.

Josh and Stein, glad you both made it clear what these reports are really about.  They are cited over and over to prove that up is down, black is white, and Joe Wilson is full of it.   You probably won't convince anyone from the other side, the Rove-is-innocent true believers, but you refreshed my memory about the reports.

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Threre seems to be an awful lot of politics swirling around these reports of uranium from Niger.  Which makes me wonder how it is possible that none of the three different reports on these claims within the U.S. government made it to the White House.  As I understand it, these claims were looked into and rebutted by (1) Wilson, (2) the U.S. Ambassador to Niger, Barbro Owens-Kirkpatrick, and (3) the Deputy Commander of the United States European Command, a four-star Marine general named Carlton Fulford.  All came to the same basic conclusion:  Iraq could not have obtained uranium from Niger, as claimed.  And yet somehow none of these reports were forwarded on to the White House, resulting in the embarrassing presidential "16 words" gaffe in the 2003 SOTU message? 
     I understand that Deputy NSA Stephen Hadley offered to resign for his role in this almost-unbelievable screw-up.  (Instead of accepting his resignation and demanding his boss's, the President promoted them both).  Has Hadley received from Fitzgerald a subpoena to tesify before the grand jury? 

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Just to clarify that last post, apparently the story is that these reports were not properly forwarded on by (1) the CIA (Wilson's), (2) the State Department (Owens-Kirkpatrick's), and (3) the Pentagon (Fulford's).
     What a rash of inattention!  And so coincidental that it concerns the very subject raised by documents that turn out to be so crudely, almost laughably, forged by a foreign intelligence service.  And yet this series of unfortunate events leads the President to make a very ominous claim bolstering the case for war -- which happens to be a case extremely near and dear to the hearts of certain high-ranking White House officials.  Life is funny, sometimes.

What I find curious is that the alleged proof were documents that were obviously forged.  If there was good intel on the Saddam-Niger link why use forged documents?  By using the forged documents it required the British and US governments to scamble trying to validate their claims after the fact.  They wanted what is referred to in golf hitting a "mulligan" or a do-over.  It is like someone who gets caught in a lie saying..."Did I say that?  Well this is what I really meant."

If there really was a Saddam-Niger yellowcake uranium link why did the UK and US feel they had to use forged documents (and amateur forgeries at that) to make their case?
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What should have been in the NYTimes, in July of 2003, if Miller hadn't been carrying the administration's water, instead of informing the public:

<span class="Apple-style-span">WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS BEHIND OUTING OF UNDERCOVER CIA OPERATIVE.
Washington, July 12, 2003.
In recent days, senior White House officials, including Karl Rove, have called leading journalists with information concerning the wife of former ambassador Joseph P. Wilson IV. Wilson, an administration critic, has charged that the White House knew president Bush's claim concerning Iraq seeking uranium from Niger was false, when he made mention of this in his State of the Union Address. According to the calls made by administration officials, Valerie (Plame) Wilson has worked as an undercover CIA operative for years, dealing with WMD issues. The White House officials are claiming that it was Wilson's wife who sent him to Niger on a fact-finding mission. Following his trip to Niger, ambassador Wilson filed a report contradicting the administration's alarmist Iraqi WMD claims that took the nation to war. </span&gt

<span class="Apple-style-span">Observers believe the White House outing of Valerie (Plame) Wilson is vengeance as ambassador Wilson's claims have hugely embarrassed the administration.</span&gt

<span class="Apple-style-span">The CIA is filing criminal charges against the administration officials in question.
"The outing of a CIA operative is a disaster for our agency. Not just because it compromises the operations this employee was engaged in, but because it will endanger all our field operatives, as their contacts can come to believe they will be outed for cheap political gain," said CIA director George Tenet, as he met with Dept. of Justice head John Ashcroft to discuss the extent of the criminal charges that will be brought against the White House officials in question.
When asked to comment, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declined to give a statement as this went to press.</span&gt

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<span class="Apple-style-span">That's what should have been in the NYTimes, on July 12, 2003.
It wasn't - and that's because Miller was collaborating with the officials in question. That's why she is in jail now, because the scandal threatening her and her newspaper is of a proportion sufficient to make the Jayson Blair fracas seem insignificant and she'd rather not go into the details. What we have here, is a sense of hubris capturing the press. They allowed themselves to be embedded in Iraq, but they have also been in bed with "movers and shakers" for years, having been seduced by the chance to be close to power, and maybe even exercise a little power themselves. </span&gt

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An outstanding point.  How different things might have been had any one of the numerous reporters to whom Rove & Co. were furiously leaking written about it honestly at the time.  Perhaps Bill Keller and his bosses at the New York Times should try thinking about that.

Josh wrote: "And that report makes clear that most of the British judgment was based on the forged documents."

Most, not all.  The British Parliamentary Committee said: "The SIS stated that the documents did not affect its judgement of its second source." What was this mysterious second source? And how come we haven't learned more about it, since the administration doesn't have any bones about leaking classified information to defend its credibility? Does anyone know more about this second source?

Your "what if" news item is echoed by Greg Palast's imagination:

The Times SHOULD have run the story with the headline: BUSH OPERATIVE COMMITS FELONY TO PUNISH WHISTLEBLOWER. The lead paragraph should have been, "Today, Mr. K--- R--- [or other slime ball as appropriate] attempted to plant sensitive intelligence information on The New York Times, a felony offense, in an attempt to harm former Ambassador Joseph Wilson who challenged the President's claim regarding Iraq's nuclear program."

Palast's entire piece is here

 

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Good thing this meme starts walking about. It's a monumental disgrace that the newspapers and reporters in question didn't report what the White House was up to. And it's nearly inconceivable that it was their fear of losing access that kept the public in the dark as to administration maneuvers.
When seen in the context of a "completed" news story, then the crime becomes that much clearer.

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I agree.

Even in the case the CIA failed to pass Wilson's report on to the White House (because they knew exactly what the WH wanted to hear and what not), it would be too much of a coincidence that the State Department and the Pentagon also failed to pass the info from their respective reports.

The only possibility I see is that the White House had given all three (CIA, State Dept. and Pentagon), and possibly more, instructions to find anything at all to nail Saddam (isn't that what Woodward claimed Cheney had said right after 9/11?).

On another issue, when is the SSCI's Phase II report due, the one that is supposed to focuss on the use of prewar Iraq intel by senior policy-makers?

 

That mysterious second source is still a mystery. The British won't say who it is.

The UK Government continues to stand by the claim, which was also in its 24 September 2002 Dossier, that Iraq sought to procure significant quantities of uranium from Africa, stating that they have evidence from ‘the intelligence service of another Government’  for their claim that is unaffected by the forged intelligence revealed by the IAEA.

http://www.lynnejones.org.uk/uranium.htm 

Blair's protecting himself and Bush. If one goes down for this, the other will too.  

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A couple of points:

1. If I recall correctly, it was reported, even before the Butler report, that the CIA tried to discourage the Brits from including the Africa uranium claim in the Sept. 2002 dossier. So if some US intel entities were blocking Wilson's findings from making it into the record, others clearly were trying to circumvent those efforts as early as summer 2002.

2. If the Butler and SSCI reports were white-washes, as I believe they were, then mustn't some folks connected to those endeavors have been active parts of a cover up? Such glosses cannot have occurred serendipitously, it seems to me.

And a couple of questions:

1. Somewhere (again, can't remember quite where) I recall reading that the 2002 Niger claims were backed separate documents from those Josh and Laura investigated, which surfaced in Italy after the Sept. 2002 dossier. Does anyone recall reading this -- that earlier documents, also forgeries but better-produced, were the spur that initiated Wilson's trip?

2. In the UK, the David Kelly story unfolded during a time frame that overlapped Wilson's op-ed and the outing of Plame. Dr. Kelly was outed on July 9, Plame on the 14, and on July 17 Dr. Kelly went missing and ended up dead.

We know Judith Miller received email from Kelly the day he disappeared. What I'm wondering is whether the 20 days worth of her phone records that have been subpoenaed might reveal something about the Kelly matter, too. Does anyone know the dates encompassed in the demand for phone records and/or whether email records would be considered part of such a request?

 

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The reason the IIRC report may be so confusing is that it was working from documents that contained discrepancies. If you look at the NYT AND the WaPo coverage of the INR memo today, you see that the notes say Plame "convened" the meeting where Wilson got sent. Whereas the memo says Plame "selected" or "recommended" Wilson.

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It's not at all surprising that these reports were never forwarded to the White House.  The WH wasn't trying to determine whether Niger had sold yellowcake uranium to Iraq.  They were trying to build a case that would support their claim the sale had been made.  They weren’t interested in information that would disprove it.

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Even worse, the notes say "apparently convened", which suggests to me they were compiled by someone who either did not attend the meeting or attended and was told informally at some point in time that Plame put it together. Or, of course there's always that third possibility, that the note maker just made stuff up.

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Josh Marshall: However, there was an earlier British parliamentary inquiry in September 2003 -- before the issue became such a political hot potato.  And that report makes clear that most of the British judgment was based on the forged documents. 

September 2003 Report: The SIS stated that the documents did not affect its judgment of its second source and consequently the SIS continues to believe that the Iraqis were attempting to negotiate the purchase of uranium from Niger.  We have questioned the SIS about the basis of its judgement and conclude that it is reasonable. (emphasis in original, par. 93)

To look further at the September 2003 Report, "We were told that it [conclusions that Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger] came from two independent sources, one of which was based on documentary evidence." (Report, par. 89) 

Even if this or something else can be interpreted as suggesting that the documents somehow provided "most" of the support for the conclusion, independent evidence existed that British intelligence believed supported their conclusion to which the September 2003 Report found reasonable.

Thus, the less "political" report reached the same conclusion as the more "political" Lord Butler Report.  Regardless of when the forged documents came into the knowledge of British intelligence adequate independent information existed that provided the basis of assessments that Iraq sought to purchase uranium from Niger.

Josh dismisses the Senate report as "intentionally misleading and tendentious."  The bipartisan report was written by a committee that included Senators John D. Rockefeller IV, Carl Levin, Dianne Feinstein, Richard Durbin, John Edwards.  Does anyone seriously suggest that these Senators signed an "intentionally misleading and tendentious" document to exonerate the CIA and Administration?

Anyone who rejects the conclusions of the Senate Report, the Butler report and the 2003 Report has to face one simple point.  Niger exports uranium (65% of its exports), livestock products, cowpeas and onions.  Does anyone seriously think that the Iraqi delegation that traveled to Iraq in 1999 to "discuss 'expanding commercial relations' between Niger and Iraq" really sought to buy onions rather than uranium? 

Cheers.

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You wrote ... "Does anyone seriously think that the Iraqi delegation that traveled to Iraq in 1999 to "discuss 'expanding commercial relations' between Niger and Iraq" really sought to buy onions rather than uranium? "

Does anyone seriously think that between 1999 and now, in view of the fact that no evidence of any written or verbal conversation concerning uranium sales between Iraqi and Nigerien officials has turned up anywhere (including nothing from any captured Iraqi documents or persons), that there is anything credible to support these suspicions that Iraq was seeking to buy 500 tons of yellowcake? 

The simple truth is that Bush cooked the intelligence in his SOTU to take us to war without cause. 

Accoding to Wikipedia,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly

"One of the e-mails he sent that day was to a journalist on the New York Times, to whom Kelly mentioned "many dark actors playing games," 

The 2nd link after that sentence is a pdf of the email with names blacked out. Wiki says the email was sent to someone at the NY Times.

I'm not sure about the exact dates of the records requested. Most were from 7-6 to 7-13-2003, but maybe Fitzgerald went farther back. 

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i found this at http://thecheesesandwich.blogspot.com/

from the washington post december 2003:


Sources said the CIA is angry about the
circulation of a still-classified document
to conservative news outlets suggesting
Plame had a role in arranging her husband's
trip to Africa for the CIA. The document,
written by a State Department official who
works for its Bureau of Intelligence and
Research (INR), describes a meeting at the
CIA where the Niger trip by Wilson was
discussed, said a senior administration
official who has seen it.

CIA officials have challenged the accuracy of
the INR document, the official said, because
the agency officer identified as talking about
Plame's alleged role in arranging Wilson's trip
could not have attended the meeting.

 

 i am wondering if the prosecutor fitzgerald has had access to this memo and its author. the memo seems to be a pre-emptive shot at wilson, prepared "just in case" he needed to be neutralized. it is another strictly political document.

i would be interested in knowing if there is any criminal reprecussions from creating, classifying, and disseminating information from within the government that can be proven (by fitzgerald?) to be false. 

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Just to clarify that last post, apparently the story is that these reports were not properly forwarded on by (1) the CIA (Wilson's), (2) the State Department (Owens-Kirkpatrick's), and (3) the Pentagon (Fulford's).

And that is really, really important, because we went to war on a pack of lies.  That is the biggie here.

All the threads of this story are becoming too complicated for me to follow, but Frank Rich's latest in the NYT is a kind of boiling down that I can take in.  Here's the link if you'd like to read it:

http://nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?hp 

avatar even if we assume the worst, the most that can be said about the 1999 was that it was a very first step, a precursor, that didn't get off the ground.

If i go kick the tires at a car lot tomorrow afternoon, that's not an "attempt to purchase" anything.
 
And the important thing to remember about all of the reports about the ability of iraq to purchase in niger is that the systems that were in place made it virtually unthinkable that iraq actually could buy (in the sense that i can "attempt to purchase" oxycontin tomorrow at my pharmacy, but it won't get me anywhere without a prescription).

a reporter to phone the senior advisor to the President and give him/her a 'heads up' on an article?

avatar Re the attempt to purchase yellow cake from Niger: Wilson was the third person sent to investigate, and the third person to report back a negative finding. Some one said that Cheney's office was like a little kid who kept asking the same question over and over, hoping that the answer would change. Or maybe it thought that the CIA had gotten the message about how to behave and would make sure to send some one who would come back with the appropriate answer, unlike an ex-Ambassdor or Marine general who were familiar with the situation, and who were the first two to investigate. Wilson was the first person to make a public stink about the issue, and perhaps since he was married to a CIA employee and sent by the CIA, was perceived as a vulnerable target. The GOP disinfomation campaign on this affair is pathetic because it consists completetely of transparent falsehoods, it attacks only one element (Wilson) in what is now a web of consistent evidence, and is so obviosly orchestrated. It doesn't even take much time to keep up with it because you can literally anticipate the time-outs for daily huddle sessions while a new element is added, talking points and orders sent out, and sit back and reap the new harvest of nonsense from the morning papers, news shows and blogs. And listen to supossedly independent thinking conservative pundits recite predetermined lines as if they were witnesses in some kind of political show crimes trial.  It's a high risk strategy obviously running on very low resources in terms of reasoned argument and evidence.
   This is off topic, but I don't even see how the recent revelations about Rove's intentions, or follow-up exculpatory e-mails are good news for the administration, since whatever they indicate about Rove's legal exposure, they do indicate that some one in the administration and one or more administration allies in the press have unambiguously lied. And other leaks show a widening circle of concern and pre-emptive defense in the current and ex administration personnel.
   The Democrats had to face some ugly truths about Clinton; Bush administration acolytes and fanatics may have to face up to uglier truths about some people in the current administration who Bush has declared to be "good."
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The big picture, which the Bush/Rove smear machine is good at distracting from, is that these guys lied us into the Iraq war as an election stategy because they didn't know how to tell the American people why we couldn't chase bin Laden into Pakistan, without sounding like Democrats. Plamegate is just a piece in that big picture.

 

And since these guys think they can spin anything (and with the current generation of reporters, why shouldn't they?) why did they cave so quickly on the uranium from Africa SOTU claim? Very fishy. They are hiding some very embarrassing info on the forged documents that were cooked up to make that claim.

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Jones is risking expulsion from Labour for questioning the Uranium claims.

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I wondered about that, too, when I read about Rove's email to Hadley. I know reporters call individuals who are in any way the subjects of their stories to give them a chance to comment on what will go into print. But calling Karl Rove to let him know in advance that a story is coming out so he can rev up the spin machine sounds way, way too cozy to me.

In a short exchange on the subject over at Atrios' blog a commenter remarked that Rove-to-Hadley email was a giggler, which I took to mean that it was self-serving, maybe deliberately planted to establish a paper trail cover for the Plame outing. If so, it certainly undermines Cooper's credibility, at least in my eyes, at the same time.

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"Does anyone seriously think that the Iraqi delegation that traveled to Iraq in 1999 to "discuss 'expanding commercial relations' between Niger and Iraq" really sought to buy onions rather than uranium? "

I think it’s also worth noting, that the US found absolutely no infrastructure in Iraq that could be used to enrich yellowcake into uranium.  So… Yes.  I think it’s safe to assume that Iraq was not actively warehousing Yellowcake for some future decade when they might develop enrichment technology.

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http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/13jul20041400/www.gpoacce
ss.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/s108-301/roberts.pdf

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/iraq.html

The major accusations against Wilson and for a Niger press cake deal were not contained in the unanimous main report of SIC, but in one signed by Roberts, Bond, and Hatch. Only  three of eighteen senators signed on to the rather bizarre accusations of their bretheren.  In fact, most inflammatory accusations hoisted upon the public by the right wing spin meisters were judged accurate by about the same percentage of senators who reviewed the data as the percentage of Americans who believe Elvis is still alive.

Maybe he is, and perhaps the Brits can tell us where, just like they can tell us where the evidence is that made them believe Iraq was attempting to buy Ur press cakes; even though nobody else can.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/16/A
R2005071601364_pf.html

Karl Rove had a secret. In public, he was masterminding President Bush's reelection and brushing off suggestions he had played any part in an unfolding drama: the unmasking of CIA operative Valerie Plame. In private, the senior White House adviser was meeting, on five occasions, with federal prosecutors to tell what he knew about the matter.

In Washington, Rove and others were discrediting Wilson's story even as then-CIA director George J. Tenet said that the yellowcake allegation should never have been included in Bush's speech. "This did not rise to the level of certainty which should be required for presidential speeches, and CIA should have ensured that it was removed," Tenet said in a July 11 statement.

In a conversation that same day, Rove told Time magazine's Matthew Cooper that Wilson's wife was in the CIA and authorized the mission to Niger; but he did not use her name. Afterwards, Rove e-mailed then-deputy national security adviser Stephen J. Hadley to tell him he had waved Cooper off Wilson's claim.

A day later, Cheney's top aide, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, told Cooper he had heard the same thing about Plame, and a senior administration official flagged the role of Wilson's wife, almost in passing, to The Washington Post's Walter Pincus.
On July 14, Novak's column ran, naming Plame for the first time and saying two senior administration officials had provided him the information. The White House anti-Wilson campaign continued, but legally it did not matter, because once Plame's name was in the public domain, Rove and others were free to gossip about her.

Rove told MSNBC's Chris Matthews that Plame was fair game, even as White House spokesman Scott McClellan was denying any White House role in the leak. "I'm telling you flatly that that is not the way this White House operates," the spokesman told reporters July 22. McClellan was usually careful to stress involvement in any illegal leak, though his public statements clearly left an impression of a White House aloof to the affair.
CIA officials believed that the revealing of Plame's identity was a potential crime and contacted the Justice Department to investigate. CIA officials maintain that Plame never ordered up the trip.


avatar Consider this:       A full two months after Joe Wilson published his Niger editorial, Dick Cheney told Tim Russert that he had no idea who in the CIA sent Joe Wilson to Niger.        This means you would have to believe that Dick Cheney sat around for sixty days and never called anybody into his office to find out who sent that sonofabitch Joe Wilson to Niger.        Or, you could believe that Dick Cheney lied to Tim Russert. Outrageous.       See the timeline below:       Feb 2002 - Joe Wilson goes to Niger       July 6 2003 - Joe Wilson flames Bush on Niger in wapost       July 7 2003 - Colin Powell is seen walking around tarmac with secret memo indicating that Valerie Plame arranged for Joe Wilson to go to Niger.       Sept 14 2003 - Dick Cheney tells Tim Russert that he has no idea who sent Joe Wilson to Niger.       ** Stretches credulity, no?
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kuvasz, Thank you for your input on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report.  Finally, someone points out just how poor the foundation of the recent attack on Wilson is.

For those who wish to see just what the committee agreed upon regarding Niger and how the intelligence was handled follow this link:   Congressional Reports: Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence on the U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Intelligence Assessments on Iraq.

It provides .pdf downloads for each of the sections in the report.  First, note that the Roberts, Bond and Hatch material appears as 'Additional Views.'  Next click on 'Niger' to download the pertinent chapter.  This is a 48 page .pdf document.

The conclusions start on .pdf page 37 with Conclusion 12 and continue to the end with Conclusion 26 on .pdf page 48 (pages 72 to 73 of the paper report).

Most conclusions have to do with the handling and interpretation of the intelligence.  None found fault with Ambassador Wilson's actions.  (It is interesting that almost all, if not all, of the supporting information on the conclusions is redacted.)

The conclusions appear to substantiate most of what has been said as fact.  It helps when you read the primary  material.  I'll bet most of the chatterers out puffing up the conclusions signed on to by Roberts, Bond,and Hatch don't know the background.  Lie and mislead!

Has anyone read the other 'Additional Views' to see what else might be found there which would be useful?

Just too soon old; too late smart. 

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Josh dismisses the Senate report as "intentionally misleading and tendentious."  The bipartisan report was written by a committee that included Senators John D. Rockefeller IV, Carl Levin, Dianne Feinstein, Richard Durbin, John Edwards.  Does anyone seriously suggest that these Senators signed an "intentionally misleading and tendentious" document to exonerate the CIA and Administration?

 Oh, come now.  The above is baloney (only three senators signed off on the appendix in which the conclusions now trumpted by conservatives are found).  It's known to be baloney.  Everyone here knows why this is baloney.  So who do you think you're fooling?

You waste space and look the fool trying to promote such mendacious claims to those who already know the claims are bogus.

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Durbin came out strongly about the inadequacies of the report. The committee had been forbidden to look into the administration's pushing of intelligence, and Durbin went public with his criticism of that, among other things.

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Mr Yglesias, showing an admirable interest in the facts of the matter, had a conversation with Joe Wilson about the potential second source.

http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=Convent ion4

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ElGringo wrote:  "On another issue, when is the SSCI's Phase II report due, the one that is supposed to focuss on the use of prewar Iraq intel by senior policy-makers?"

    As I recall, the Senate Intelligence Committee Chair, Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., first announced that he was postponing any action on that phase until after the 2004 presidential election, and that's where it still sits today -- on ice.  Word then seeped out that that phase would likely never take place.  Given that it is now eight months out from the election and nothing has happened, I assume that we will never see any movement on that investigation as long as Sen. Roberts is Chair.

avatar Sorry, but dismissing the Butler Report and the Senate SSCI on the grounds the ISG somehow "clearly trumps" them just reeks of desperation.

Remember, the whole point of this little exercise was whether Bush misled people in the SOTU address where he said British intelligence believed Saddam was seeking uranium in Africa.  Joe Wilson came out and said his trip had proved it wasn't true, and that his wife had nothing to do with sending him; the Senate report later said he lied on both counts.

It should be obvious that nothing the ISG did <b>after the war</b> can remotely be construed as speaking to the state of <b>prewar</b> intelligence.

Give it up, Josh.  You might have had a point once, but now you're just embarassing yourself and your cause. 
avatar You wrote ... "Remember, the whole point of this little exercise was whether Bush misled people in the SOTU address where he said British intelligence believed Saddam was seeking uranium in Africa."

If this had been the only reference to African uranium and the only reference to Saddam's nuclear program as a justification for going to war, you might be able to get away with that fuzzy logic. However, the 16-word SOTU statement was just one of many references made by the Bush administration to indicate that Saddam was getting ready to nuke America. Remember Condi's now famous mushroom cloud remarks? Remember Cheney's many reference to Saddam's reconstituted nuclear program in the runup to invasion? Remember the insistence by the administration that there was more evidence that Saddam was seeking African uranium? Remember all of the diversion when no WMDs and no nuclear program were discovered in Iraq after we captured the country and searched it from end to end?

The whole point is not whether Bush misled the American people with 16 words in the SOTU. It is about a whole administration using phony evidence and phony arguments to send American troops to invade Iraq illegally. That's what this is all about, and this is why the Bushies are fighting back so dirty and hard. They know the Bush administration's credibility is at stake, and that they hold a losing hand in this card game if they can't divert the attention of the American people to focus on trivialities. So, denial and obfuscation by the Bushies is the order of the day.

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The following comes from the body of the Report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence aggreed to by all Senators, not the Additional Views of various individual Senators:

"Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador's trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts' assessments of the Iraq- Niger uranium deal.  For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal ...."

"The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife 'offered up his name' and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, 'my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.'" (Report, p. 39)

"When the former ambassador spoke to Committee staff, his description of his findings differed from the DO intelligence report and his account of information provided to him by the CIA differed from the CIA officials' accounts in some respect." (Report, p. 44)

"The intelligence report [based on Mr. Wilson's debriefing following his trip to Niger] indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states ... however, that in June 1999 [redacted] businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss 'expanding commercial relations' between Niger and Iraq.  The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted 'expanding commercial relations' to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales." (Report, p. 43)

"In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation.  The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by 'expanding commercial relations.'" (Report, p. 44)

"[The CIA reports officer] said he judged that the most important fact in the [Wilson] report was that the Nigerien officials admitted that the Iraqi delegation had traveled there in 1999, and that the Nigerien Prime Minister believed the Iraqis were interested in purchasing uranium, because this provided some confirmation of foreign government service reporting." (Report, p. 46)

"Because CIA analysts did not believe that the [Wilson] report added any new information to clarify the issue, they did not use the report to produce any further analytical products or highlight the report for policymakers.  For the same reason, CIA's briefer did not brief the Vice President on the report, despite the Vice President's previous questions about the issue." (Report, p. 46)

Thus, the body of the Report agreed to by Democratic Senators found that Mr. Wilson confirmed the CIA assessment that Iraq was attempting to purchase uranium from Niger.  One may readily disagree with that assessment.  Of course, to do so one must believe that a high level Iraqi delegation met with former Prime Minister Miyaki to talk about the purchase of onions.

Frankly, I don't believe that any rational, non-ideologically blinded person would believe that. 

Cheers.

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Abu Et Banal, you are ignoring the fact that George Bush himself said that his 16-word statement in the SOTU was incorrect, based on incorrect intelligence. Why do you keep defending this most trivial argument that you are making?

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