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Frank is not an evening anchor but I get the sense this could be a Walter Cronkite moment or even a Joseph Welch moment

He's pretty iffy, I think.  Sometimes, he's spot on.  Sometimes, he's in a weird universe.  He had no handle at all on culture war issues, where he trends too conservative.

What's the context of these remarks?

You must read his column on the NY Times site: http://nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?pagewanted=2&am
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That column almost made me weep with joy.

Sorry about that.  Here's the first page:
http://nytimes.com/2005/07/17/opinion/17rich.html?hp

Krugman is the greatest American columnist. This piece does allow him to stand in his shadow.

And this is what I'd expect from Krugman.  To hear it from another quarter is invigorating.

The column is excellent.  I had posted a link to it on Josh's thread.

My brain is about worn out from trying to follow all the threads of this story, and Rich sort of boils it down to the essentials.  He makes the point that the administration - except for Rove's lawyer - finally caught on that they should stop talking, but they were late getting there, too late for their own good. 

Well, at least someone has said it out loud in the NY Times, and Frank Rich should have our gratitude for that. However, I can't help but observe that what Rich wrote is what many of us have been saying here for quite a while. Let's hope that we will all soon be running to keep up with the MSM as it digs out the details of this story.

 I'm not sure why Rich is so confident of a Rove resignation.  That outcome seems far from a "certainty" based on the public record.  What am I missing?  

Nice to see it in print. I didn't much like his denigrating remarks about Joe Wilson being a side show. By my lights, if it weren't for Wilson, this particular article would never have been written. Rich should at least thank him for that.

I agree with that sentiment. We all owe a lot to Joe and Valerie Wilson. They have certainly carried their weight and more all these months. Both had distinguished themselves by service to the nation prior to the start of this affair, and they have distinguished themselves even further as the investigation has wound its way through the maze of deceipt thrown up by the Bushies. There is probably only one word that can be used to describe them. They are patriots.

Josh Marshall just wrote that good ole Jeff Gannon had a role to play in this as well. Break out the whips!

Anyone else find it interesting that all the stories liberals complained the MSM should stop ignoring because they were important have come into play in this story? Plame, Khan, Gannon, those mysterious forgeries, Judy miller... and they were too busy with the Swift Boat Vets to talk about it.

Ah, the sweet taste of exhoneration. It's like God's back from vacation! If it weren't for the fact that not listening to us led our country to a disaster of global proportions, I'd actually be able to enjoy this!

He’s a great writer, and he has great references to many elements of popular culture. But one shouldn’t have to be up to speed on the latest episode of Desperate Housewives to be able to understand someone’s critique of the Bush administration. Don’t get me wrong. I like reading Rich’s columns. But to single out Rich as the “greatest American columnist” displays a somewhat NYT-centered outlook on the world. Why not, say, Katha Pollitt? In my opinion, her regular column in The Nation is perhaps the most consistently insightful and well argued political commentary available anywhere.

 

 

I don't know if Rich is responsible for the title, but it really captures the tip of the iceberg quality this investigation has -- Follow the Uranium, indeed.

And I was reminded yet again of how tragically our institutions have failed with this bit:

.... a State Department intelligence analyst questioned the legitimacy of some mysterious documents that had surfaced in Italy that fall and were supposed proof of the Iraq-Niger uranium transaction. In fact, they were blatant forgeries. When Mohamed ElBaradei, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said as much publicly in the days just before "shock and awe," his announcement made none of the three evening newscasts.

Not that that's news to me (although I'm sure it would be to lots of folks who aren't news freaks).  It just raises the questions that I guess a lot of us have been thinking about over the last five years or so, none of them with any particularly satisfying answers, at least to me:  How did we get here?  And more importantly, how can we fix things?  And I'm talking here not just about throwing a dangerous cabal out of power, but about fixing the systemic failures that have allowed this to go on so long, and at such peril to American interests and ideals.  Bad actors will always be around, but we're supposed to have institutions in place to prevent abuses of the public interest from getting too far.  Where have they been? 

He's pretty much been the most consistent, in terms of opening my eyes to the bigger picture.  Here is his latest Rove-gate column - before Rich's latest, I might add.

Follow the yellow-cake road,

Follow the yellow-cake road,

etc..

 

Frank Rich did himself proud in this one. Yes, the Wilsons' deserve credit for bringing this into the open and have paid for it and may yet pay more. But Rich is pointing out on Page One of the New York Times that the Emperor has no clothes and it is the Emperor who should concern us the most, not his staff. And for all of that, it's also what Josh Marshall has been saying. And we who have been reading. The Blog is coming into it's own.

Okay, he's a good writer and all, but Marie Cocco of Newsday made the same point a day or two ago, and very trenchantly too. For the life of me I can't figure out why she doesn't get discussed as much as Rich and Krugman on the Internets.

Rich was really the first columnist to take on the mendacity and hypocrisy of Republicans at the time of the Gingrich "revolution" in 1994.  He is certainly a must read.  I also think Lewis Lapham is in the same class.

I'm not sure why Rich is so confident of a Rove resignation.

I think it's quite likely, because he is the king's knight, and HE is a major subject of the controversy.  With Rove in place, moving forward on legislation and appointments will be extremely difficult.  But whether Rove resigns or not this administration is - as Bush's daddy would say - "in deep doo-doo". 

When I came across this phrase in Rich's essay

last week's erection of the stonewall manned by the almost poignantly clownish Mr. McClellan,

I was definitely reminded of Lewis Lapham. Of course Lapham and Rich aren't really pundits in the usual sense; both writers are much more steeped in culture and history than our workaday pundits like E.J. Dionne.

Conservative pundits from Buckley to David Brooks tend to be more culturally literate, though of course they invariably marshal cultural artifacts in service of their ideology, rather than allowing their worldview to be shaped by what they read.

But there is something to what Emmett Tyrell wrote about Michael Kinsley in Tyrell's otherwise-useless book The Liberal Crack-Up. Basically Tyrell called Kinsley a philistine who has no conception of the good life. And while it's unfair to single Kinsley out, it is perhaps true of the liberal punditariat as a whole: too much policy and politics, not enough perspective.

The Wilsons are clearly patriots and we ought to thank them for service. We also be appalled by the efforts to smear them. However, as long as they are the issue and as long as the fight is about whether Wilson did or did not say Cheney sent him or she sent him the focus is misplaced. This administration lie about everything from getting Bin Laden and Iraq to tax cuts and Social Security. In this sense Bush and crew want the focus on the Wilsons not on Bush.

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I'm not a huge Rich fan. Some of his stuff is pretty trite, and his defense of Judy Miller last week made me sick. I'm sorry, she broke the law; she belongs in jail. Better columnists: Paul Krugman, Jon Chait (LA Times friday column), Hendrik Hertzberg, Michael Kinsley, many, many others.

Rich's column today definitely qualifies as one of the best I have ever read, and that's saying something, since he's been damn good for a damn long time.  A fine exposition of outrage.

I'm almost surprised he didn't use this quote, so - since he didn't - I'll post it here, because this is the analysis of the situation that hits the nail on the nead.  Written 70+ years ago by Josef Goebbels:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.  The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie.  It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus bey extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

"MORE Corporate, Crony, Mainstream Media Corruption" is how I would title this "trash" piece by Frank Rich at the NYTimes.  I can read between his lines -- this article is wrought with lies, mixed with sprinklings of the truth -- truly Rovian... Mr. Rich exposes Dubya and Cheney as responsible for USA, illegally invading Iraq, via their blatant lies (while he deliberately "shades" the mainstream media's [MSM] own involvement).  Those lies having been "turned on their face" by Joe Wilson, a bi-partisan Senate investigation's conclusion and even more recently:  The Iraqi Survey Group, which clearly found the Nigerian Yellowcake threat to be totally false (the "I love Bush" gang [government and MSM] are deliberately not mentioning this report, which is further proof in the complicity of Bush administration/GOP/MSM, to which:  I hope Fitzgerald NAILS them all -- by federal conspiracy statute!).Frank Rich's conclusion:  Karl Rove resigns and rides away into the sunset (it sickeningly reminds me of one of my old movie favorites:  Shane [Karl Rove is Frank Rich's shining/fallen hero and Dubya is his King, while ALL American media cries Tammy Faye Bakker tears as Karl gets away on his "white" horsey!] ), is just more of the same -- corporate media elite duplicity.  What do I mean?  Mr. Rich here, to his credit, honestly exposes Team Bush's crimes.  And yet, he willfully tries to absolve the treason (falsely leading this nation into war by invasion of Iraq) not just of the Bush administration, but by his own traitorous employer:  NYTimes, as well.  Rove resigns, problem solved???  So says Frank Rich--->NYTimes' columnist--->dutiful bitch.  A "subject" of Fitzgerald's investigation?  He should be...Of course, we have to wait for Fitzgerald to indict these scoundrels, and then Bush and Cheney removed by either our government, via impeachment, or their resignations (then they MUST be charged with war crimes!).  If they remain in office, it is further treason by our entire government.  The Uranium lies and subsequent, massive cover-up campaign, rises to High Crimes and Misdemeanors not only by Dubya and his Little Dick, but by:  Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Alberto Gonzalez, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Josh Bolton, Stephen Hadley, Richard Perle, Scott McClellan, Ari Fleischer, Ken Mehlman [R- gay chairman of RNC], Congressman King [R-NY], Senators Coleman [R-MN] and Cornyn [R-TX] (Mehlman, King, Coleman and Cornyn involved directly into this coverup while deceiving the American public) and most importantly:  <drumroll>  The entire GOP in DC.

Am I aiming too high?  Only those awash in status quo, would think so.  It's very disappointing that so many at TPM were taken in by Frank Rich's nasty article -- did you all miss the constant bashing ofJoe Wilson?  I guess most of you didn't read the end of this article.  Again, Frank Rich's conclusion (last paragraph), for having just outted Bush's treason, was by having Karl Rove to just resign -- gave over -- all is well ... move on, little kiddies!  >groan<Lastly, the NYTimes, LATimes and Washington Post should be in grocery market checkout lanes (tabloid section), not as national "news" papers.  Our re-written history removes the fact that these three rags have always "led" this nation into war.  Further, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, C-NBC, PBS and the multi C-Span channels, should all be completely shutdown and removed of their fascist, corporate ownerships.  A complete revolution IS required!!!P.S.  Just last week, I thought Frank Rich was becoming real -- this article ends all that optimism...
I generally love Frank Rich (and Paul Krugman and Katha Pollitt and others mentioned before) although I found his column last week -- defending Judith Miller -- virtually unreadable.  I think the speculation that's been going on all week -- about how Miller is keeping silent to protect the spin-meisters and liars in the White House -- put Rich in a tough position.  On the one hand, he's a point man on the Judith Miller Martyr Brigade, but he seems to realize that Rove & Co. may not be the best beneficiaries of all this First Amendment Abolutism being circulated in the pages of the NYT.

I think the biggest change is Rich's attitude toward Pat Fitzgerald who, up until today I think, Rich has portrayed as a partisan hack whose main mission is trampling the right to a free press.  This week, he finally seems to acknowledge that Fitzgerald may be playing it straight.  I just hope his head doesn't explode if he finds out that Miller is in jail protecting Rove and Libby and *gasp* Robert Novack.


 

Several weeks ago, Mr. Rich wrote "this is worse than Watergate" in another piece concerning Rove and the Bush Administration's deliberate leaking of classified information.
He's right on the money and that is how we should be framing this debacle.
Nixon and his aides conspired over dirty tricks and spying on political enemies. After he resigned in disgrace, Nixon was granted a full pardon for his crimes, specifically in his case, obstruction of justice.
The present criminal issues make dirty politics a side issue which must neccesarilly be addressed.
Nevertheless, what makes this worse than Watergate is that the American public was knowingly duped into sending American men and women into combat on Iraq. Nearly 1,700 have been killed, thousands more maimed.
We haven't yet seen the entire avalanche of GOP obsfucations and slippery Bush administration denials. Issues will get even more confusing as the smokescreen gets thicker and thicker.
Thank you, Mr. Rich. Thank you for setting our compass points, to wit, "this is worse than Watergate."

I loved the column and I enjoy Frank Rich, not because I necessarily agree with him, but because he has a big brain and his columns are rich in informational detail. (I confess I read George Will for the same reason.)

 This column's importance though is not that it tells the truth about the larger issue the current scandal points to. The importance is the prominence of its author and its venue. I've stayed up past my bedtime since Judy Miller went to jail, sucking facts out the posts here and clicking links to other sources, but when I begin to jabber excitedly to the people I see all day --- educated, left-leaning, active people --- it's news to them that this has the potential to expose the Bush administration's lies and distortions used to get us into this war. Even people who believe this war to be illegitimate don't yet see the significance of "Plamegate."

Even the WaPo article has two truly astounding sentences (emphasis mine):

 "To a Bush administration intent on selling the American public on war based on the threat posed by Iraq's weapons program, the yellowcake was no small deal."

and

"As for the Bush administration, the investigation has exposed how an administration that publicly deplores leaking has engaged aggressively in the practice to advance its goals."

 These state it all rather flatly, don't they?

 

Rich expects Rove to quit to protect his boss.

Some (including Rich) have pointed out (rightly) that this is worse than Watergate, because of the sheer dimensions of the crimes, resulting in thousands of American and Iraqi dead.

However, to me the BIGGEST difference between this scandal and Watergate is something no one has mentioned, and it doesn't bode well for the Good Guys.

The GOP controls the government now. AND, the GOP is tightly unified and self-loyal.

In 1972-4, the Dems controlled both houses of Congress and could take appropriate and forceful action, hold hearings, etc.

Since 2003, the Dems have been shut out. Until the voters punish the GOP at the polls, the GOP is not compelled to do anything. Karl Rove resign? Why? What if he doesn't? What is the consequence? Do voters really care?

Bush's approval ratings are in the toilet. So what? We're still going to get the judicial equivalent of Attila the Hun as a replacement for O'Connor. We've still got awful legislation being passed, and an exploding deficit.

The Bush and Congress are fiercely unpopular but have figured out how to make it work for them. What's a little scandal?

The fact is, American Democracy hangs by a single thread - Fitzgerald. If he folds up his tent, nothing matters.

I'm not convinced the voters WILL punish the GOP at the polls in 2006.  The GOP has learned how to exploit the electorate, and the Dems have not demonstrated they can neutralize them. Until they do, any hope that this scandal, or any high crimes or misdemeanors, can derail the GOP juggernaut are wishful thinking.

Please tell me where my argument is flawed. I'd love to hear it. It would help me sleep at night. I want to print this out and look at it in 6 months and realize I was all wrong.

Unfotunately, I really think the rules have changed, and a lot of people on this thread and elsewhere don't take that into account.

 

You wrote ... "The fact is, American Democracy hangs by a single thread - Fitzgerald. If he folds up his tent, nothing matters."

THis may be the truest statement ever made on this blog!

Dan,

No!  I wanted somebody to refute my assertions, not agree with them!

:(

As much as I admire Wilson and Plame, for the most part, I agree with Rich that they are the sideshow here. And I think that the left should embrace that notion. The more we get all weepy about what heroes they are, the more the story focuses on them, what they said, when they said it, etc. until the press throws up its hands like it did with the Swift Boat guys and says "Oh, well, I guess we'll never really know the truth." The fact is, Wilson and Plame are the equivalent of the Watergate break-in. The whole Watergate scandal didn't rise and fall on the breaking and entering trial. Similarly, this affair has provided a prosecutor who so far seems to be doing his job with the power to subpeona people throughout the administration, and expose the duplicitous way in which they are managing the country. It's so easy to raise doubts in people's minds about any individuals. It's the entire pattern of corruption that's being exposed, and that's a good thing.

Rich is wrong in writing "This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons."

The real victims are the Iraqi people. More than 100,000 have died, maybe a million wounded. All for the benefit of cheap gas for American drivers. A war of agression that does cry for Nuremburg trials.

That is the scandal - not the lies published in his paper that he frogets to mention and that faciliated the crime.

Follow the yellow-cake road,

Follow the yellow-cake road,

etc..

 

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