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Aha -- John Tierney's totally right. What's got me really worried is Larry Hughes' defection to the Cavaliers something that unlike Metro security, it seems, a little more willingness to throw money around really could have solved. If only Tierney could be persuaded to maintain the same admirable calm in the face of hypothetical Social Security deficits. The theory that one could trade Kwame Brown for a two guard of Hughes' caliber is, however, rather amusing.


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The Zards got blitzed by a perfect storm.  Once Allen and Redd went off the market, they should have realized that the chance to be LBJ's sidekick was going to put Hughes in jeopardy and offered him max money to lock him up.


The problem was that Hughes felt insulted by their original offer, and wasn't interested in continuing negotiations once he had other options.


Grunfeld's strategy was smart if Redd had gone to Cleveland.  Then they would have gotten Hughes as a better price and kept a bit more cap flexibility.  But since things didn't work out that way, Grunfeld looks a bit stupid.


My sympathies to you on the loss of a core that could do damage for years to come.  I think we're going to see a season of Gilberto Agonistes, as Arenas puts up 30 points a game, the Wizards struggle to win 35 games, and Gilbert slowly goes insane.


The more interesting question is how well Hughes will fit in next to LeBron.  For the moment, I go along with the conventional wisdom that he's not likely to be a good fit, as LBJ needs a 2 guard who can knock down open shots more than he needs a slasher.  But I do have respect for Hughes' skills, so it'll be interesting to see if they can make it work.


"The theory that one could trade Kwame Brown for a two guard of Hughes' caliber is, however, rather amusing."


Well, yes.  But even more amusing is the fact that Brown would indeed have decent value in a sign & trade.  The height and youth combo have the capability to make otherwise sane GM's completely lose their minds.

Frankly, I think you're going a little soft on Grunfeld. Re-signing Hughes was a no-brainer and the Wiz should have done what it took to get him committed right away instead of dicking around in the hopes of reaping some minor financial gain. The 'zards fielded a solid squad last year that was pretty clearly on an upward trajectory (Arenas' play, e.g., lacked a certain maturity that should have improved with experience) in the context of an East field whose leading teams (i.e., Detroit and Miami) are past their primes. There was no really pressing need to sign additional free agents with whatever money they thought could be saved by getting stingy with LH.

Now the team is, to put it politely, totally fucked. Meanwhile, if Scola makes the rumored move from Spain to San Antonio I think we can expect the Spurs to continue dominating for quite some time.

Also, yeah, this is a slightly odd move from the Cleveland p.o.v. since Hughes, while a useful asset to almost any team, really isn't what the Cavs needed. I suspect the result will be a squad resembling the '04-'05 Wizards -- long on awesome plays and a bit short on winning games against good teams.

A few years ago I really thought the Wizards were on the verge of turning around that franchise.  There has been great talent that passed through and developed in Washington.  But when it comes time to pay the players after the original rookie contracts are up the Wizards have shown they are unwilling to pay.  Rip Hamilton gets traded away and soon after the Pistons are World Champs.  Gotta not only spend money, but spend crazy money to be a winner in any pro sport.

But in defense of Washington if they were in the Ray Allen bidding they must be willing to spend the money.

"Frankly, I think you're going a little soft on Grunfeld. Re-signing Hughes was a no-brainer and the Wiz should have done what it took to get him committed right away instead of dicking around in the hopes of reaping some minor financial gain."


In retrospect, yes.  Even not in retrospect, probably yes.  You indeed lock up Hughes by any means necessary.


But Grunfeld has been consistently smarter than the average bear for quite a while now, so I'm willing to cut him some slack on this one.


And there is a risk to overpaying.  Note how your beloved Spurs consistently keep a low payroll to give them the flexibility to bring in new people.  There is nothing sadder than a capped out team stuck a level beneath the elite.


The difference between paying LH $65M and $95M is $5M / year, which can bring in an important player.


But of course, you go as high as you need to in order to sign him.  The interesting thing is that LH didn't give the Zards an opportunity to outbid Cleveland.  That either means that Grunfeld really did piss him off with the opening offer, and he left lots of money on the table out of pique.  Or it means he wanted to play with LBJ, and the money and the pique is a sideshow.


"Now the team is, to put it politely, totally fucked."


In the short run, yes.  But Gilbert is still a puppy.

 In re: Grunfeld has been "smarter than the average bear" for some time now:

Four words: "Tim Thomas" and "Anthony Mason." Ask any Milwaukee Bucks fan -- especially today: howdy doo Bobby Simmons! -- and you will not hear any of them agree with this sentiment.

Tim Thomas was a millstone for the Bucks, as he now is for the Knicks (and as the various lousy things the Bucks got in trade from the Knicks, and then from the Mavs, for Tiny Tim), and it was Grunfeld's genius that signed him to a max contract, and thereby saved the Pistons from wooing him away (imagine that alternative universe).

Anthony Mason was a millstone for the Bucks whom Grunfeld signed to a 3-year deal (competing with himself in doing so) partly in order to appease an increasingly out-of-control George Karl.

 Now, each of these deals individually is defensible as a rational act. But each is the product of a very average NBA executive with little ability to prognosticate talent and the mix of personalities on a team (both Thomas and Mason proved to be especially lousy teammates).

 The Bucks had a couple of good years during the Grunfeld regime, in part reaping the benefit of some high draft picks (Glenn Robinson and Ray Allen, who was the result of a draft-day swap of Stephon Marbury). But he left the franchise stuck with some awful contracts (and this doesn't even count Jason Caffey). He was not smarter than the average GM while with Milwaukee. We won't know for a while whether letting Hughes go proves to be a good decision; but it seems pretty likely that the Wiz will be worse next year and for years to come.

"The Bucks had a couple of good years during the Grunfeld regime ... He was not smarter than the average GM while with Milwaukee."


He built a team in Milwaukee that got to Game 7 of the conference finals despite having an owner who won't spend over the cap.


He took a completely dead franchise in Washington and quickly turned it into a team that won a playoff series.


As far as overpaying Tim Thomas, Grunfeld was far from alone in overestimating the talent in that case, as evidenced by how easy it was for Milwaukee to unload his contract.


I'd put Grunfeld among the elite GM's in the league, in the same company as Buford, Dumars, Walsh, Riley, Petrie, West, and Colangelo.

First, as a general matter, I don't think Grunfeld is a bad GM, I just don't think he's elite. So, take all that follows as consistent with that premise. But every significant argument you make about Grunfeld and the Bucks is entirely wrong.

As to the team that got to the Eastern Conference Final: Of the "big 3," he inherited all three: Ray Allen was drafted in '96, Sam Cassell was acquired five months before Grunfeld was hired, and Glenn Robinson was drafted in '94. Although Grunfeld didn't acquire Thomas, he did sign him to a max deal. I will give him props for one significant acquisition, though the player had nothing to do with the ECF team: he drafted Michael Redd in the second round in the 2000 draft. But Ernie acquired none of the major contributors to the team that your credit him for having built.

As to the ease with which Thomas was disposed of: You can only come to that conclusion by thinking that the Bucks' being forced to take  Keith Van Horn and his max contract was a good deal. That's totally nuts. It was Mark Cuban who was willing, ultimately, to take Thomas's contract off the Bucks' hands by taking Van Horn, but that required taking back two players with longer contracts who have absolutely zero talent: Reese Gaines and Calvin Booth, both of whom sat on a deeply mediocre bench for the Bucks last year, and Booth is still due $6 mil for the next two seasons. (It also required taking Alan Henderson and agreeing to cut him immediately so the Mavs could get him back. The Bucks were still required to count his contract against their cap -- whether Cuban or Kohl paid him, I don't know.)By the time the Bucks traded him, everyone knew his contract was a total liability.  There's simply no other conclusion to make: besides one good playoff run, Thomas has been an absolute bust wherever he's been, and his trade value reflected that fact. And that's the player whom Grunfeld chose to offer a max contract to. That's not a mark of a great GM -- not by a long shot.

Finally, as to GMing for a cheap owner: Say what you will about the Senator, but Kohl gave Ernie the green light with Anthony Mason and Jason Caffey and had to eat both of those deals. He also owns a team that plays in Milwaukee -- not exactly New York, or Dallas, or Washington in terms of market size. Kohl also just ok'd signing Redd to a max and Bobby Simmons to a quite large 5-year deal. He isn't a Dolan or a Cuban, but he's a long, long, long way from Donald Sterling, and Grunfeld had plenty of opportunity to build a good team for the long term while he was there. Instead, he reaped the benefit of others' decisions and of George Karl's great year of coaching (before, as seems to be his MO, Karl self-combusted).

In short, Grunfeld left the team in worse condition from how he found it. If you like him for the Wiz, great. But his track record with the Bucks was definitely less than "elite." In fact, it was pretty pathetic.

Well I don't think I would go quite so far as "John Tierney's totally right" because I was cruising through a pretty reasonable column when I came to this jaw-dropping comment.


"Except that the risk of being struck by lightning is much higher than the risk of being killed by a terrorist."


Hmm, "much higher". 44 people died from lightning strikes in the US in 2001. You have to go pretty far back in this table before you equal the combination of WTC and Oklahoma City. And we no longer have millions of people working out in the fields like we did in the forties when lightning deaths sat in the 300 range.


http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/US-lightning-annual-fatalities.
html


We can hope that the fatality count from terrorism is lower than 50 in this country this year, we can work our asses off to help make sure it does, but this kind of pollyanna pull numbers right out of your ass thing may work for Tierney, but as for me I've Got Google.


You can urge people to go shopping or you can have a totally bogus color coded alert system that you deploy at any point of poor publicitiy for something or other. But you don't get to have both be taken seriously at the same time.


I've lived in dangerous cities. I lived in Oakland right when there was a series of late night freeway shootings on the stretch of freeway passing two blocks from my house. Was my response to go cruising every night up and down the freeway? Hell no.


You can love Bush or hate him, but some weird insistance that "It won't happen here" as Tierney would have us buy just isn't selling. When I am walking in a major city I am always aware of who may be behind me, I watch the shadows from the streetlights, I casually turn around, I don't take shortcuts down alleys. Because there is real danger. I don't do anything like that in my medium sized city here in the Northwest, at least in the areas I walk. Not because we have not had horrific crimes that made national news, because we have, but because there is just no street crime to speak of.


You can't let fear paralyze you. On the other hand working in a government building (I do) or a skyscraper or simply living in a major city puts you at increased risk, whether that be from street crime or terrorist attack. You deal with it one way or another. But you don't just wish it away with bogus statistics.


Sorry folks, unless you work on a mountainside in Colorado your risk of getting killed by a terrorist is higher than getting killed by a lightning bolt. Tierney has a valid point but he is still a factually challenged idiot.


(And I note that he says "struck" not "killed", but then again it is his equation. I get "struck" by lightning and live I either have nerve damage or a pretty cool story, equating that with being killed is Tierney's choice, not mine.

http://www.uic.edu/labs/lightninginjury/holle30yrs.htm)

Peter Vescey today writes:


Meanwhile, as much as the Wizards revere Hughes' all-around excellence (if you overlook his 29 percent from 3-point range and 62-game average attendance record over the last five years) and as badly as they wanted him to re-up, they should consider themselves lucky he turned down their last proposition of $12M per over six.


Come on; they're already paying Antawn Jamison $13.8 and Gilbert Arenas $10.2M. How many non-centers/macho forwards can you overpay before your salary cap irrevocably resembles the Knicks? It's infinitely more economical (not that difficult, either) to use Kwame Brown in a sign-and-trade to get a big guard instead of squandering cash to make themselves look good to their fans and the media.


At last count, the Wiz had seven offers for Kwame, several of them significant, which summarily erases the Knicks from contention on numerous scores. For some reason, they don't find Michael Sweetney and Jerome Williams ($6.6M/$7M/7.3M) all that appealing.


Hearing aides inform me Washington GM Ernie Grunfeld can have his pick of Memphis' James Posey, Indiana's Fred Jones and the Lakers' Caron Butler.


I think he's not far off the mark, although I'd have bitten the Bullet and signed Hughes for $70M over 6 years.  But he is indeed correct that tying up $36M/year for 3 perimeter players is a recipe for a bad tasting cake.  Jamison is the bad puppy in that mix.


And either Posey or Jones would be a decent pickup.  Jones, especially, has some real potential.

Right, Jamison was the problem here. Posey, Jones, and Butler are all good guys, but that kind of swap would just leave the Wizards about where they were before -- probably somewhat worse off. What the team needed to do was acquire more frontcourt strength. Losing Hughes and then trading Brown away for a replacement can't possibly accomplish that.

"What the team needed to do was acquire more frontcourt strength. Losing Hughes and then trading Brown away for a replacement can't possibly accomplish that."


No doubt.  I'm in agreement with you that they should have signed Hughes.  (Although, as I've said, I'm not convinced Hughes wouldn't have gone to Cleveland even if Washington had thrown out a better opening offer.)


But if they had signed Hughes for $12M, that would've capped them out for the next two seasons until Jamison comes off the books, leaving them not very able to acquire significant frontcourt help.


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Regardless, this is a very profitable offseason to be an above-average, but not great, 2 guard.


Hughes, Michael Redd, and Joe Johnson are all good young players.  But at $14M/year, several, if not all, of those teams are likely to be very unhappy with their investments a couple of years down the line.

If only Tierney could be persuaded to maintain the same admirable calm in the face of hypothetical Social Security deficits.

If only Tony Blair could be persuaded to maintain the same admirable calm in the face of hypothetical anthropogenic global warming!

But back the the BIG story here - the return of basketblogging.  Hoorah!

As far as the Wizards are concerned, it appears to me as though they've blown it.  There will be a LOT of teams in the East that will be better next year: Cleveland (obviously), Indiana (with Artest back), my Nets (with a full year of Vince and Jefferson together - and especially if they can fill their hole at the 4 with Shareef), Boston (whose young guys will have a year of exerience), Milwaukee (with Bogut and a returning TJ Ford).  These are all teams on the upswing.  Washington is clearly on the downswing.  Too bad.

"There will be a LOT of teams in the East that will be better next year: Cleveland (obviously), Indiana (with Artest back), my Nets (with a full year of Vince and Jefferson together - and especially if they can fill their hole at the 4 with Shareef)"


Whoever wins the Shareef sweepstakes will be pretty damn happy.  He's gonna make a good team significantly better.


But NJ is going to be stuck with a bunch of other teams, all competing for 4th best in the East after Miami, Indiana, and Detroit.


Don't forget about Chicago who will be a year more experienced.


And don't forget about my Sixers.  I know expectations are very low, but if Webber manages to get healthier, if a new coach figures out how to use Webber with Iverson, if Dalembert continues to grow, and if they land a 3 point shooting big man with their exemption, they could join all the other teams trying to be 4th best in East.

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