Independence Without Acrimony
One of the most remarkable things about the Fourth of July is, I think, that's it's an entirely positive, upbeat holiday about America's Founding and our own accomplishments and aspirations for ourselves. One might think that a holiday in commemoration of the launch of a colonial rebellion would have a subtext of animosity toward the former colonial overloard -- Great Britain. But of course our celebrations have no such subtext, for the UK is probably our closest ally on the planet. Its only serious competition is Canada -- the outgrowth of those British colonies on the North American continent that did not rebell against the crown, to which most of the loyalist inhabitants of the USA emigrated, and whose territory we tried to concur in our second military conflict with Britain.
The lessons embedded in this process seem to me to be at least as profound as the ones more usually contemplated on this holiday. That we proceeded from the conflict-strewn world of the early 19th century to the contemporary one, where Americans recognize that even though we could concur Canada there would be no point in doing so is quite the remarkable achievement. That even earlier the rulers of the British Empire saw that establishing friendly relations with the rising power of the American Republic would better serve Britain's interests than a futile attempt to contain it is, in many ways, much more so.
The goal of peace has acquired a lot of fairly dippie associations -- meditation crystals, patchouli oil, etc. -- but the sphere of peace that began among the English-speaking nations, expanded to include France and outlying bits of Europe, then Germany, Italy, and Japan, and now Eastern Europe as well is founded on the hard-headed economic fact that expanding the quantity of resources under the physical control of your countrymen has little value in the context of market economies. The actual historical processes through which this peaceful zone has come to exist show, however, that though cultural and political affinities play no formal role in the demonstration of peace's value, they seem to be integral to its realization in process.
The allegations that Iran's new president was a participant in the 1979 hostage-taking serve, to me, above all as a reminder of how little content there is to US-Iranian conflict. Instead, the hostage taking started us on a cycle of bitterness, suspicious, and hostility that have simply played out for a quarter of a century to the point where the specific locations of US-Iranian conflict are premised on mutual antagonism between our countries rather than serving as genuine causes of conflict. That US-British relations started off an a somewhat similar foot shows that it need not ever be thus, though finding a way out of the current spiral would be extremely difficult.
At the moment, the Global War on Terrorism and its consequences tend to take center stage in our thinking. Over the longer haul, however, the most important question for our security almost certainly has to do with our relations with China. The cycle of hostility with Iran -- a medium-sized country at best -- has had unfortunate consequences. Similar conflict with China, even were it to fall shot of actual warfare, would be almost infinitely worse for the world. But there seems in the modern world to be nothing inevitable about conflict. If both our countries' leaders choose wisely, and both reject the counsel of those stoking the forces of paranoia, we may be looking forward to a 21st century that is much happier than the hyper-destructive 20th.














I think you mean, 'conquer', rather than 'concur'. I wouldn't usually be a bastard about it, but it pops up a few times.
RD
July 4, 2005 12:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Too bad our current crop of leaders aren't as wise as our founding fathers and early leaders of this great country were. In the formative years of this country the goal was to ensure that the people in our country, which was limited to the east coast of central north america, had the right to be free, and govern themselves...it was our inalienable right. In our current leaders' extreme hubris, they view our founding as the starting point of the process that made us a world super power and it is our country's right to exert our power worldwide.
Happy Independence Day...
July 4, 2005 12:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
But my fear of China is so great, that if push came to shove and China was about to fully dominate, I could countenance nearly ANYTHING that would keep them down. From inciting political strife to economic instability, to military action as long as we could secure any nukes or bio-weapons China has. I am potentially, that scared.
I wonder how many people feel the way I do.
July 4, 2005 12:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
It's easy to see how to arrive at an irrational fear of China. Hugh population with seeming infinite blue collar work force, ambitious and transparently jealous, traditionally imperialistic, industriallized, technologically pretty competent but not seriously innovative. Engaged in an indirect arms race with the militarized regimes at a distance from it. A mirror of the U.S. circa 1935.
But if you look at it in an informed way, from personal experience and understanding of the number it's genuinely hard to find a rational basis. It really doesn't add up to a physical threat to Americans. The Great Dream of Chinese society remains remarkably traditional- to make the Land of Two Rivers the Garden, the Eden, the Center of Accomplishment of the world. The Empire At The Center of the World wants to be and remain just that, and the world of that definition extends from the steppes of the Altai to Japan or Guam and the Indian Ocean to the deserts and taiga to the north.
July 4, 2005 12:54 PM | Reply | Permalink
I concur.
July 4, 2005 1:30 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The allegations that Iran's new president was a participant in the 1979 hostage-taking serve, to me, above all as a reminder of how little content there is to US-Iranian conflict. Instead, the hostage taking started us on a cycle of bitterness, suspicious, and hostility that have simply played out for a quarter of a century..."
In 1953, we overthrew Iran's democratically elected government over control of oil.
And Iran's post-'79 regional export of revolution would have put it in a position of severe hostility with the US even if the embassy takeover had never occurred.
"...to the point where the specific locations of US-Iranian conflict are premised on mutual antagonism between our countries rather than serving as genuine causes of conflict."
Beyond the long-standing acrimony, one current location of the conflict can be found in the fact that the US military is occupying two countries bordering Iran.
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There is lots and lots of content to the Iran / US dysfunctional relationship, both historical and current.
July 4, 2005 1:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
True enough. Though I did make a point to boo the British contestant in the Nathan's hot dog eating contest today. Damn Limeys.
July 4, 2005 2:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
Concur? My head asplode from word salad!
July 4, 2005 2:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
Insert Sting Lyrics Here.
July 4, 2005 2:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yikes. Concur? I guess I should have picked a better daddy. Then I too could have gone to Harvard.
July 4, 2005 7:36 PM | Reply | Permalink
What petey said.
July 4, 2005 8:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
It is ironic that in a little over two-hundred years, we the people of the United States have thrown off the yoke of George III of England only to take on the yoke of George II of America.
July 4, 2005 9:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I don't feel the way you do about China, nor any other country in the world. In fact I don't see a basis for fearing other countries, unless those countries are actively and militarily on a path of conquering all of the countries around them. China, in particular, doesn't frighten me, because I spent three weeks visiting there, and found that the Chinese are just people like us. They are seeking a comfortable life, without backbreaking labor, well larded with pleasure. China is just barely a unified country, to the extent that I can't see them attempting to conquer any other country, except those they have good historical reasons to consider part of China.
We need to stop trying to base our foreign policy on fear. We will get much further towards peace by basing it on respect.
July 4, 2005 9:38 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yikes. Concur? I guess I should have picked a better daddy. Then I too could have gone to Harvard.
Yep, I think it's awful that all those spelling classes they have at Harvard didn't work out well for Matt. A good friend of mine teaches Spelling 231 there, and she's generally ashamed at how bad the students are that she has to give passes to because of grade inflation. She says its much worse in the Arithmetic department though.
The actual historical processes through which this peaceful zone has come to exist show, however, that though cultural and political affinities play no formal role in the demonstration of peace's value, they seem to be integral to its realization in process.
That seems too strong, though obviously cultural affinities help here. Australia went from seeing Indonesia as a major potential threat to a major potential trading partner in well under a generation without much significant change in cultural or political affinity. Maybe it helps when your defence forces really do see their job as defending the country against potential invasion rather than potentially usurping someone else's land. Then fairly simple things like a successful trading relationship can make a huge difference to how you view your neighbours.
July 4, 2005 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
July 5, 2005 1:37 AM | Reply | Permalink
At Yale, we learn how to spell. We also don't give degrees magna cum laude to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who can cobble together a thesis and get a B+ average.
July 5, 2005 3:08 AM | Reply | Permalink
I serve Pimms on 4th July. If only there was a cricket game to go to after the BBQ.
Slightly more seriously, animosity toward the former colonial overlord will go up and down depending on the current, not past, political climate. Look for the 4th July after the UK decides to protest the US's invasion (bombing/enabling Israel to bomb) Iran. Animosity to the French over Iraq was summoned up out of almost nowhere, and items from the same menu can be served to everyone else as the politics du jour require.
July 5, 2005 5:35 AM | Reply | Permalink
Of course we don't have a holiday to commemorate another event just as deserving of fireworks: the restoration of the union after the Civil War. Maybe that's because unlike Independence Day, that would be an acrimonious, divisive occasion. Funny world, huh?
July 5, 2005 9:09 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bingo! Countries need sound leadership to recognize that there is more benefit to engage with others peacefully than on the battlefield. Expansion of control is just not necessary to productivity in the 21st century, not that it ever was.
July 5, 2005 11:49 AM | Reply | Permalink
It's simply not true that anti-French feeling emerged out of nowhere during the Iraq crisis: hostility to France has deep-seated cultural roots in the Anglo-American world. Don't forget that it was only two-hundred-and-fifty years ago that the northern colonies faced rapine and slaughter at French hands -- the prevailing attitude towards all things Gallic changes, of course, with the political atmosphere, but there is an underlying atmosphere of distrust which goes back to at least the Hundred Years War, possibly 1066.
July 5, 2005 1:03 PM | Reply | Permalink
"It was only two hundred and fifty years ago"
Only?
"hostility to France has deep-seated cultural roots in the Anglo-American world"
Which Anglo-American world is that? Much more in one part of that "world" than the other.
The basic point is that all relationships offer a palette of good and bad experiences on which to draw. As state interests, and the organised economic and social groups which influence those interests, coincide or clash, the mood music will be drawn from palette as appropriate.
July 5, 2005 2:09 PM | Reply | Permalink
After spending the last 5-odd years in a state of perpetual outrage, I am of the firm belief that America's first and gravest mistake was winning the Revolutionary War. (Hey, for all his considerable flaws, Tony Blair looks like Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt all rolled into one, when compared to the current occupant of the White House...) Then, on top of this, we (the North, at least) have to go and win the Civil War!! (Think what the polity would look like minus the South. Ok, I honestly like Southerners, but I loathe being governed by a certain number of their ilk.) ;-)
Robert
July 5, 2005 5:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
As for a Northern holiday celebrating Union victory in the Civil War, well, I would hope that poor sportsmanship (i.e. rubbing it in) can be safely considered un-American? ;-)
Robert
July 5, 2005 5:32 PM | Reply | Permalink
As for a Northern holiday celebrating Union victory in the Civil War,
Well, how about an inclusive, national holiday celebrating the fact that we all came to our senses for mutual advantage--something to consider if we ever come to our senses, anyway.
July 5, 2005 5:41 PM | Reply | Permalink
We already have such a holiday: it's called the Fourth of July.
;-)
Robert
July 5, 2005 6:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
If both our countries' leaders choose wisely...
That's a mighty big 'if' you got there, Matt! Have you looked at our leaders lately? The words 'Bush' and 'wisely' are just too incongruous to be considered in the same sentence.
Perhaps it should have read, "If both our countries choose their leaders wisely..."
July 6, 2005 1:38 AM | Reply | Permalink
"Well, how about an inclusive, national holiday celebrating the fact that we all came to our senses for mutual advantage--something to consider if we ever come to our senses, anyway."
Sure! Let's celebrate it on the day that the battlefield cemetary at Gettysburgh was solemnized.
July 6, 2005 6:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
You wrote ... "At Yale, we learn how to spell. We also don't give degrees magna cum laude to any Tom, Dick, or Harry who can cobble together a thesis and get a B+ average. "
Yes, but you gave a diploma to George W. Bush in 1968. No amount of protest can erase that stain on Yale's blotter.
July 6, 2005 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
At Yale, we learn how to spell.
Old joke that pretty much sums up this subthread:
A Harvard man and a Yale man are at the urinal. They finish and zip up. The Harvard man proceeds to the sink to wash his hands, while the Yale man immediately makes for the exit.
The Harvard man says, "At Hah-vahd they teach us to wash our hands after we urinate."
The Yale man replies, "At Yale they teach us not to piss on our hands."
July 6, 2005 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Gettysburg address doesn't make an explicit distinction between Union and Confederate soldiers... unless you want to be narrow in your interpretation of "those who here gave their lives that the nation might live." Is it reasonable to assume that Lincoln meant to honor all the dead at the battlefield? I don't know enough about national attitudes at the time to guess.
July 6, 2005 10:14 AM | Reply | Permalink
July 6, 2005 8:41 PM | Reply | Permalink