A filibuster is already occurring
Hard to believe that it's only been three days, it's Independence Day weekend, and there isn't even a nominee yet, but it feels like we're halfway through the Supreme Court fight.
Put together yesterday's news that the social conservatives will aggressively oppose Alberto Gonzalez for suspected squishiness, today's news that the Republicans will argue that no discussion of legal opinions or judicial philosophy is appropriate, and today's other news the Republicans, including those who were part of the deal to end the nuclear option, believe that any attempt to filibuster a nominee based on ideology, no matter how extreme, will be a breach of the deal and will trigger the nuclear option.
Take all this together, assume that it's true, as widely reported, that Bush would prefer to appoint Gonzalez, and let's be very clear about two things:
1. If Bush appoints anyone but Gonzalez, a "filibuster" has already occurred. A small minority, mostly unelected, will have blocked the president's choice.
2. If Bush appoints anyone other than Gonzalez, the nomination will be the product of a blatant litmus test on ideology. It would be outrageous for any Senator to refrain from asking questions about ideology, or opposing a nominee based on ideology, when the entire nomination is based on ideology.
If Bush does appoint Gonzalez, on the other hand, let's watch the sparks fly, attack the right for being obviously anti-Hispanic and anti-Catholic, and talk about the torture memos and whether Gonzalez has ever in his life demonstrated an ounce of independence from the short-term needs of his political patron.















I guess the Whitehouse will be looking at the issue one of two ways. One, they want a long protracted fight to distract attention from their policy failings. Two, the don't want to engage in a protracted fight so they can focus on getting their agenda back on track. The other thing to consider is Bush's loyalty to his friends. Gonzalez is a long time friend of the president. The question is...Does Bush distant himself from the wingnuts on the right and try to move more back to the center for political survival?
July 4, 2005 8:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
Bush is going to have at least TWO appointments before the 2006 elections. Therefore, he can appoint a hardline rightwing Justice that will pass Congress now, to satisfy the RW. Then the next one, Rehnquist, can be replaced by someone more towards the center, and that appointment will, oddly, move the Court that will have shifted RIGHT under this Justice shift back to the plain right a little. He will have pleased his RW base.
The other possibility is to have the moderate conservative and the Scalia clone in opposite order, so the RW starts incensed and then becomes calmer. My guess is that won't wash. And both Justices will have to be someone expected to be antiChoice.
July 4, 2005 8:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think you're kidding yourself if you buy into Gonzalez' moderate record. Bush has told us that his model for SC justices is Scalia and Thomas. It is also clear that Gonzalez is his preference as a nominee. Now why would he want Gonzalez if he didn't think he was in line with Scalia and Thomas?
I've been checking out Fox News coverage on the SCOTUS opening. Every time I watch there is a GOP talking head assuring the wingnuts that Gonzalez is a 'real' conservative. If W goes for Gonzalez, which I think he will, we will see Rush and the gang working to calm the masses with coded reassurances. Gonzalez has, imo, kept his position on abortion intentionally unclear. He is a stealth candidate, but unlike Souter, he's going to break right.
The criticism from the rightwing will actually help Gonzalez since it will fool the left into assuming he can't be all bad. But I predict, the complaints from the right will fade to a quiet grumble that will completely disappear when Al shows his true colors on the Court. I don't believe Bush will nominate anyone who he is not confident will vote the 'right' way on Roe as well as other controversial issues.
July 4, 2005 8:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
If we get in a situation in which the Dems do seek to prolong debate on an extremist nominee, it will be important to emphasize that Chafee and several other Rep. Senators will not vote for cloture -- so its a bi-partisan filibuster. Yesterday, the Republican talking points were clearly pushing hard on it being unprecedented for one-party to filibuster a SC nominee.
July 4, 2005 8:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wouldn't bet on Rehnquist retiring in the near term. And I don't think Bush will make this current nomination based on that expectation. Rehnquist has shown that he is not ready to go yet even though everybody was counting him out and expected him to resign last week. Hell, most thought he'd resign during the last administration.
Rehnquist might hang on for months, even years. I don't think Bush is going to bet on the come -- he will make this nomination as though he won't have another.
July 4, 2005 9:02 AM | Reply | Permalink
I very much doubt that the president is going to risk nominating Gonzales -- at least this time around, especially considering that he just took over at the Justice Department. If the president really has the mettle to inflame his base by nominating Gonzales (and I don't believe that he does), then he'll likely hold off until Rehnquist retires.
July 4, 2005 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
This is what Gonzales said to reporters today in answer to the criticism about his possible nomination ...
"Many of the people speaking probably don't have all the information about prospective nominees. What's important is what the president of the United States thinks about me," Gonzales told reporters while flying to the Middle East. "That's evident by the position he has asked me to fill," said Gonzales, who made a surprise one-day visit to Iraq.
July 4, 2005 9:13 AM | Reply | Permalink
What is curious to me is why is the Attorney General visiting the troops in Iraq? I can't remember an Attorney General ever visiting a war zone to schmooze with the troops before. Looked to me like an attempt to polish his image with the wingers.
July 4, 2005 9:21 AM | Reply | Permalink
He's returning to the scene of the crime. If was his memo that opened the door for Abu Ghraib!
July 4, 2005 9:25 AM | Reply | Permalink
Well, he should be proud of what he wrought.
But, seriously, can you come up with a logical reason for him to be there? It's not like Iraq is a stable situation ready for Admin victory laps. I haven't heard any rational offered for why he's there.
Seems to me that you'd want to keep VIP visits to an absolute minimum considering the state of affairs there.
July 4, 2005 9:31 AM | Reply | Permalink
You wrote ... "But, seriously, can you come up with a logical reason for him to be there? "
Yes, he's setting up the trial of Saddam. That has to be structured and timed to give the Bush administration the greatest propaganda value. If it can begin later this year, with possibly Saddam's execution just before the 2006 elections, that would do it. So, Gonzales is probably working out the details while he glad hands the troops.
July 4, 2005 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzalez is a hack. Nothing more.
If Bush appoints Gonzalez, that will be an own goal of the first water. First, the social conservatives will hate it. Then, the D's will hate it. It might be rejected. On the other hand, if it passes...who cares? Seriously, Bush is going to appoint a justice here. So it's going to be somebody. On the whole, the change from O'Conner to Gonzalez would be minor, given that O'Conner tended to be all over the map.
The main problem with Gonzalez is that's he such a terrible, awful lawyer. But, in the political sense, even if Gonzalez makes to the Court, it's a win.
I don't think Bush would be that stupid, but then, I didn't think he would be stupid enough to invade Iraq and then _hang_around_. Winning the election may have convinced him of his own infallibility, so he's just going to self-immoliate here. Cf: Social Security and whatnot.
That would be GREAT!
ash
['Keep it up, George!']
July 4, 2005 9:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
When Rehnquist does step down, that is the time to fight that battle cloudy. We need to focus on one fight at a time. I am not willing to assume that if Bush tabs a judge from the far right this time that he will pick a more moderate one for Rehnquist's replacement.
July 4, 2005 9:50 AM | Reply | Permalink
Gonzalez could be in Iraq because he is sick of listening to Cheney tell the cabinet how great things are going over there. He wants to hear it from the grunts, and to see for himself what a guerilla war reminiscent of Viet Nam looks like.
July 4, 2005 9:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Any judge that Bush nominates who supports Roe is moderate in my book, erasmus. I know that sounds like a litmus test but while his record is conservative his record shows at least he isn't extreme. Also, Gonzalez often trashed Priscilla Owens' opinions while they were both on the Texas SC. Is Gonzalez someone I would personally pick to fill a vacant SC seat? Hell no...but it might be the best case scenario with this administration.
July 4, 2005 9:57 AM | Reply | Permalink
Prove to me that Gonzales supports Roe.
July 4, 2005 10:05 AM | Reply | Permalink
I guess that could be one reason, if you really think Saddam is going to get a trial in the near future. Personally, I don't expect to see a Saddam trial anytime soon, if ever. Seems like if that is why Al's in Iraq, they'd be saying as much, though, there doesn't seem to be any reason to hide preparations for Saddam's trial. On the contrary, there's probably propaganda value to making a big deal about it.
July 4, 2005 10:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm heading out to a family cook-out. Happy 4th everyone. I'll check back in later.
RE: AG's abortion stance. I cannot find anywhere where Al has made a clear pro-choice statement. He's had a couple of moderate votes on abortion access in TX, but it may have been more about an unwillingness to flout established law as Owens did. His decisions were correct and defensible -- that's to his credit. But he sure wasn't moderate about fast tracking executions or dumbing down torture.
Bottomline: I think his 'moderate' record on abortion is a smokescreen. Al will be a reliable vote to overturn Roe -- or begin to as it may well be done incrementally. A better measure would be his position on States Rights, which I haven't had time to research. Abortion is as much a States' Rights issue as it is a moral issue.
I'll bet you Al does NOT believe that there is a CONSTITUTIONAL right to abortion. He'll probably be willing to throw it back to the states. In many of which, abortion rights will be strongly curtailed if not outright banned.
July 4, 2005 10:33 AM | Reply | Permalink
Another reason could have nothing to do with U.S. government business, but with Texas oil business instead. Perhaps Gonzales was conferring with Ambassador Khalilzad, who (from Wikipedia) ...
was an advisor for the Unocal Corporation. In the mid 1990s, while working for the Cambridge Energy Research Associates, Khalilzad conducted risk analyses for Unocal for a proposed 1,400 km (890 mile), $2-billion, 622 m³/s (22,000 ft³/s) natural gas pipeline project which would have extended from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan to Pakistan.
That pipeline keeps popping up as a wild card, and could have new implications with the recent Chinese bid to buy Unocal.
July 4, 2005 10:34 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'm wondering about this trial of Saddam and whether in fact the administration is stalling, as some have thought. It's possible Saddam would reveal things, at a trial, about the run-up to the invasion that would put Bush+ which could be problematical now that more and more manipulations of the casus belli are found almost on a daily basis.
July 4, 2005 10:40 AM | Reply | Permalink
I'd say that he isn't anti-Roe. Every judge who is anti-Roe rules against reproductive rights in every case...often with torured logic.
July 4, 2005 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
Excellent points, Mark. Repubs can claim Dems don't have the right to fight on ideological grounds all they want--it doesn't make it true.
We should also counter comments about the President's "right" to nominate anyone he wants with statements about his "responsibility" to nominate someone whose values reflect the majority of the people. A supreme court appointment is not merely swag the Pres can give away to pay back political obligations.
July 4, 2005 10:56 AM | Reply | Permalink
The right's efforts to frame Gonzales as "too liberal" is just a cynical scam to portray Democrats who object as "leftists" and "extremists."
It will take a lot more than his obscene justifications of torture to defeat Gonzales, so those opposed should be ready with additional information on his extremism and lack of independence.
July 4, 2005 11:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
The right's efforts to frame Gonzales as "too liberal" is just a cynical scam to portray Democrats who object as "leftists" and "extremists."
It will take a lot more than his obscene justifications of torture to defeat Gonzales, so those opposed should be ready with additional information on his extremism and lack of independence.
July 4, 2005 11:03 AM | Reply | Permalink
Read<a href="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2005/07/bad-sign.html&qu
ot;>this post</a> at Lawyers, Guns and Money about Roe and Abu Gonzales.
July 4, 2005 11:17 AM | Reply | Permalink
Interesting read eRobin. My take on it is that would we prefer someone who believes in Stare Decisis and not in rightwing judicial activism (Gonzalez' took an anti-rightwing judicial activism position in Doe). The alternative is a Priscilla Ownes or Janice Rogers-Brown...and we know what they think about Roe. They would disregard every bit of judicial restraint an engage in rightwing activism in order to overturn Roe. I don't need to hear Gonzalez say he is for Roe, just because he isn't taking tortured judicial positions to chip away at Roe is a positive sign on it's face.
July 4, 2005 11:30 AM | Reply | Permalink
If Bush does appoint Gonzalez, on the other hand, let's watch the sparks fly, attack the right for being obviously anti-Hispanic and anti-Catholic
Uh-huh. Gonzalez is Episcopalian. Really, just when I think Bush is as mendacious a clown as exists in politics, someone from our own side proves to me that it's just as endemic on the left.
July 4, 2005 11:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Refraining from making a nomination because of the fear of the political repercussions isn't anything at all like a filibuster. The two cases aren't anything alike.
July 4, 2005 12:21 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think he was being sarcastic there. Thats what the right says every time Democrats oppose a Miguel Estrada or a Mark Pryor.
July 4, 2005 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Personally, I think Bush is going to nomiate Miguel Estrada.
July 4, 2005 1:07 PM | Reply | Permalink
Please! Mark, everyone: Gonzales not Gonzalez.
July 4, 2005 1:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
¿Como se llama “Souter” en español?
July 4, 2005 2:08 PM | Reply | Permalink
¿Como se llama “Souter” en español?
July 4, 2005 2:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Durbin asked Gonzales a direct question about Roe on Jan 6 (http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_sen ate_hearings&docid=f:99932.wais)
Pretty unequivocal answer.
Senator Durbin. The last question is a brief one, and it
may have been touched on earlier. But when Senator Ashcroft in
your position aspired to this Cabinet-level appointment, he was
asked about Roe v. Wade, which he disagreed with on a political
basis, and his argument was he would enforce, in his words,
``settled law'' and Roe v. Wade was settled law in America.
I do not want to put words in your mouth, but could you
articulate in a few words your position about the enforcement
of Roe v. Wade or any other Court decision that you personally
or politically disagree with.
Judge Gonzales. Thank you, Senator. Of course, the Supreme
Court has recognized the right of privacy in our Constitution,
and in Roe the Court held that that right of privacy includes a
woman's right to choose to have an abortion. A little over a
decade ago, the Court in Casey had an opportunity to revisit
that issue. They declined to overturn Roe and, of course, made
a new standard that any restriction that constituted an undue
burden on the woman's right to choose could not be sustained.
My judgment is that the Court has had an opportunity, ample
opportunities to look at this issue. It has declined to do so.
As far as I'm concerned, it is the law of the land, and I will
enforce it.
Senator Durbin. Thank you. Thank you, Judge Gonzales.
July 4, 2005 3:00 PM | Reply | Permalink
stated that personal opinions about issues need to be set aside in the eyes of the law.
Accepting SCOTUS rulings and state law as law as a state judge is a lot different from adhering to stare decisis as a SCOTUS justice.
I'd say that he isn't anti-Roe. Every judge who is anti-Roe rules against reproductive rights in every case...often with torured logic.
I don't think you can make such a broad statement but you will know whether he's anti-Roe if Bush nominates him. For if Bush nominates him, it will because Bush knows that he will vote to overturn Roe. Otherwise, he won't be nominated.
I think he's likely to be nominated.
July 4, 2005 3:20 PM | Reply | Permalink
As far as I'm concerned, it is the law of the land, and I will
enforce it.
He is speaking of his role as Attorney General. He did not speak to whether he felt the Court was correct. Only that it was settled fact.
Most rightwingers I've read aren't opposed to AG because he's pro-choice but because he has been ambiguous. They recognize that he has not articulated a clear position on whether HE believes Roe should stand and they don't want to get 'Soutered' again. Not whether it is law or not and something he as AG must enforce -- I believe that Ashcroft said something similar when he was confirmed for AG. The question is whether he would be willing to overturn Roe if given a chance. A chance only a SCOTUS justice could have outside of a Constitutional amendment.
July 4, 2005 3:29 PM | Reply | Permalink
The Senate Democrats on the committee that question the nominee should ask this specific question, phrased this specific way ...
Is there any circumstance that would allow you as a justice to rule that abortion is legal?
Get the nominee on record as "yes" or "no" with respect to any abortion. Allow no wiggle room.
July 4, 2005 3:52 PM | Reply | Permalink
Did you see Meet the Press yesterday? Andrea Mitchell, filling in for Tim Russert, asked this of Senator Specter, chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee:
MS. MITCHELL: Well, in fact, Senator, in your book, you wrote in your judgment, "the Senate should resist if not refuse, to confirm Supreme Court nominees who refuse to answer questions on fundamental issues. In voting on whether or not to confirm a nominee; senators should not have to gamble or guess about candidate's philosophy but should be able to judge on the basis of the candidate's expressed views." That was what you wrote in "Passion for Truth."
The transcript is at http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8389296
July 4, 2005 3:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
All this discussion of Roe v Wade. I think the real danger is a SC justice who will push to repeal much of the New Deal. This is not so fanciful, FDR felt the need to try to pack the SC because they were so obstructive of the New Deal.
I don't think it's so bad if Roe v Wade is overturned. First it'll shake a lot of lazy people out of their political complacency. Second the country really missed out on a proper debate on abortion when Roe v Wade was decided. Despite the rhetoric on the far left and right, I suspect most of the country would be more comfortable with a decent compromise position. We've never had a chance to discuss that.
July 4, 2005 3:58 PM | Reply | Permalink
"Is there any circumstance that would allow you as a justice to rule that abortion is legal?"
This is not the question before the supreme court. Roe decided that the constitution gurantees a woman the right to abort her fetus. If Roe were overturned abortion would remain legal as long as no laws were passed making it illegal. Thus the answer to your question even for an anti Roe judge would be "yes".
July 4, 2005 4:34 PM | Reply | Permalink
Yes, I was being sarcastic. I was referencing the fact that whenever Dems oppose an individual nominee who is black/Hispanic/Catholic, whatever, they are accused of being anti-Hispanic or anti-Catholic. I wasn't serious, since I couldn't make that accusation with a straight face, especially since I would oppose the nomination myself.
July 4, 2005 4:40 PM | Reply | Permalink
That's correct, Robert. The idea would be to get the Bush nominee on record as supporting some abortion. That would muddle the Republican waters tremendously, especially since much of their base cannot not tolerate any abortion. Bush might even be forced to withdraw the nominee.
July 4, 2005 5:19 PM | Reply | Permalink
I agree there are other issues at risk. No doubt about it. But it is even harder to get at what a given nominee feels about the New Deal, for example, by looking at the typical judicial record. Also most nominees are not likely to have written articles or given speeches revealing their position on the New Deal. And, of course, abortion has become the de facto litmus test for both sides.
I don't agree that overturning Roe would be a beneficial thing. There are also probably many women living in Red States who would disagree with your cavalier attitude. And if you think there will ever be a "proper debate" on abortion in this country, I think you're dreaming. If Roe is overturned, the State legislatures will be the battleground and, for many Red States, there will be very little debate, proper or otherwise.
Hoping for the worst or to 'hit bottom' in order to 'wake people up,' is a big risk. Events do not always proceed the way you expect them to. Personally, I don't generally subscribe to the 'get worse to get better' theory of politics. If for no other reason than you're playing with real peoples' lives.
July 4, 2005 5:55 PM | Reply | Permalink
Most people who oppose abortion would be happy to fight the abortion wars in the legislatures. In fact many people who do not want abortion to be illegal think that Roe was wrongly decided and that it would have been better in the long run to come to a consensus in legislatures, just as many who think that laws against sodomy are silly don’t think there is a right to sodomy in the constitution.
Even the most rabid anti-abortion activists will understand that it is not necessary to have a judge who opposes abortion in all cases, merely one whose judicial philosophy does not find a right to abortion in the constitution. In fact, I think they are sophisticated enough to realize that it would be an advantage to have such a judge in the confirmation wars.
July 4, 2005 6:48 PM | Reply | Permalink
Well, it breaks the monopoly that the Republican Party has on being anti-abortion. If they accept a judge who says that he or she can accept some abortion, then they cannot pretend any longer to be pro-life. It levels the playing field in the arena of politics.
July 4, 2005 6:56 PM | Reply | Permalink
You need to get out more, Dan.
Not all Republicans are pro-life, nor do the pro-life ones agree on just what that means. Just as not all Democrats are not pro-choice. Party platforms not withstanding.
July 4, 2005 7:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
I understand that, but you need to focus on the myths that the Republicans are running on. We will never gain a majority until we begin to break through the Republican mythology so that the American people can see the myths for what they are ... myths. Forcing the nominee to say on the record that they can or cannot allow abortion under any circumstances gives us a myth buster either way it is answered. If the nominee they put forth says he or she can support some abortion, then the Republicans cannot go forth with the myth that they are pro-life, at least to their Christian right wing. If the nominee says he or she cannot support any abortion, then this puts the Republicans at odds with the majority of the American people, and with their more moderate wing. It's a no-win situation with them. Either way, the political playing field is leveled somewhat.
July 4, 2005 8:44 PM | Reply | Permalink
Stick with your day job, Dan. You have no future as a political strategist. There is no great myth to be exposed by some cleaver question that is not already well known.
July 4, 2005 9:10 PM | Reply | Permalink
Condescention becomes you, Robert. Are you a Republican?
July 4, 2005 9:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
I consider myself independent. I can't resist debunking weak arguments when I run across them, sorry if I hurt your feelingss.
July 4, 2005 9:45 PM | Reply | Permalink
No, feelings are unscathed, but I have noticed that your only contribution here is to try to debunk, usually by rehashing talking points that align well with what I hear from my Republican friends. That's what made me believe you might be a Republican. Other than rating the comments of others, do you ever have any original thoughts of your own?
July 4, 2005 10:02 PM | Reply | Permalink
My views on economics tend to align with Rs and align with Ds on social issues i.e. I don't care who you fuck or how you fuck them.
Listen, this is a hard left blog so I don't think my views are welcome here (given the stern admonition to trolls), so I try to liimit my comments to occasional rebutts.
July 5, 2005 12:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think this WH, which has made no bones about its commitment to enhancing Presidential powers, knows what it is doing in pushing AG. It is offering up someone who will always enhance the power of the Presidency, at least as long as Bush is in it. It is also offering someone who will protect the Presidency, at least as far as Bush is concerned. AG will be a loyalist, push the institution of the Court to the side, and never rule against the broadening of the executive powers as long as Bush is president.
July 5, 2005 12:51 AM | Reply | Permalink
You wrote ... "My views on economics tend to align with Rs and align with Ds on social issues i.e. I don't care who you fuck or how you fuck them."
I asume that latter clarification (the part after the "i.e.") applies to both your economic and social views. That's where we differ. Economically, I do care who gets f---ed, so I'm a Democrat!
July 5, 2005 7:07 AM | Reply | Permalink
Hmm, I guess it all boils down to what the meaning of "fuck" is doesn't it? Not to dredge up old memories.
July 5, 2005 7:27 AM | Reply | Permalink
We all agree that the appointment of a Supreme Court Justice is a crucial and important issue. We all agree that we are not going to like whoever Bush nominates.
Beyond that: Gonazales seems to be the least objectionable name I have seen mentioned. Moreover, Bush seems to have a tendency to advance the careers of his friends (unless of course you are Ken "Kenny Boy" Lay and then you are off the Christmas Card List). If Gonzales wants the appointment and Bush wants to give it to him, I think the friendship trumps pleasing the right wing base! (Remember he never needs to run again).
As for future appointments: remember when the Chief Justice retires (if he retires?) - Bush has two decisions to make: first whether to nominate a successor who will be chief justice or nominate an associate justice and nominate a sitting member (my money is on Scalia) to be chief justice. Thus, the potential to make his right wing base happy on two levels.
July 5, 2005 7:39 AM | Reply | Permalink
I think the WH and the Republican party are in a very difficult position on this and the next nomination. The Republicans are soon to run out of excuses for not getting Roe overturned, if they do not get it overturned.
If Roe is not overturned they are facing the likelihood of a major revolt from within their ranks. The monster they have been creating will turn on them. Read anything by Mary Shelley lately? Of late I've been thinking of sending George Will or one of the other luminaries of the right who is literate a copy of Dr. Frankenstein, and asking his assistant who reads it if George is pleased with the creature that the Republican party has become? And Will has been one of the better ones in that he at least on occasion has (oh so gently) advised the fundy right to back off, as when they too publicly display the victim mindset Will and others have bashed the left about for years.
If Roe is overturned, and assuming there are sufficient forces to block just about any proposed federal legislation on abortion, then the states are going to have to make some decisions on abortion policies over the near term. I would not be surprised if states that criminalize abortion--which are likely to overlap with states which ban gay marriage and whose social climate is particularly unfriendly to gay and lesbian Americans--find it increasingly difficult attract and retain talented, creative people.
Richard Florida wrote a book a couple of years ago or so, The Rise of the Creative Class. In it, he looked at what distinguished regional economies which have done well from those which have not. One of the factors he identified had to do with perceived quality of life for creative and talented people. The more hospitable the area was to such individuals the better its economy was doing.
Criminalize abortion and I suspect there are going to be women whose talents are now much prized in the workforce who are going to choose to live elsewhere. Even for those who do not believe they would ever be in a position of having to consider an abortion, criminalizing it would be like hanging out a "Women Unwelcome" sign on the state's border. You know, like a couple of hundred feet behind the "Welcome to (state)/Governor ( )" you drive by as you enter a state.
I suspect that the desire of more pragmatic Republican governors and legislators and business leaders to avoid hostile social policies on abortion and gay/lesbian issues in particular, would, at that point (if it does not happen a bit earlier), bring on the inevitable head-on train wreck within the Republican tent.
If SCOTUS finesses the issue by chipping away at Roe that process may be delayed. But it will not avoid the Republican train wreck.
Either way my guess is that 10 or 20 years from now the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court appointments will be seen as the visible beginning of the Republican party crackup.
I am not at all advocating passivity or complacency as all this plays itself out. If we Dems do not pick up the pace on building our own infrastructure along parallel lines to what the Republicans have done over the last 30 years we will not necessarily be well-positioned to pick up the pieces. Some very good work has been done over the past 2 or 3 years--and it needs to continue. But that's a topic for another thread.
July 5, 2005 7:45 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree. Gonzi (or Alberto Gonzales) is not a "moderate."
Its odd that the same people who called him the architech of torture are now supporting him
Plus, nobody raised the issue of the CONFLICT OF INTEREST! This article discussed it.
Gonzi Is Bush's Latest Ponzi [Scheme] For The Support Court"
The link is at http://satire.myblogsite.com/blog
July 5, 2005 10:54 AM | Reply | Permalink
Not unless she is making a political statement. Talented women who get pregnant and want to get rid of their fetus can easily afford a quick trip to a state where abortion is legal to have it taken care of.
The problem will be for poor women who cannot afford to travel. Perhaps some of the money from pro-choice political activist groups used for lobbying now could be diverted to fund abortion trips to states where abortion is legal.
“Either way my guess is that 10 or 20 years from now the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court appointments will be seen as the visible beginning of the Republican party crackup.”
I think this is wishful thinking. If abortion were to become a settled issue through legislative debate in the states, it would remove a hot button issue from both major parties. It is unclear to me which party would suffer most.
July 5, 2005 11:11 AM | Reply | Permalink
On the first point, I wrote: “Criminalize abortion and I suspect there are going to be women whose talents are now much prized in the workforce who are going to choose to live elsewhere.”
Robert, you wrote: "Not unless she is making a political statement. Talented women who get pregnant and want to get rid of their fetus can easily afford a quick trip to a state where abortion is legal to have it taken care of."
My understanding of the demographic data is that upper SES women are more pro-choice than other women and the electorate at large. Many feel strongly about it. Many have or will have daughters. I'll defer to the views of women here on whether, along with a local climate that is hostile to the exercise of abortion rights goes, in their experience, a climate that feels unfriendly to women more broadly.
On the second point I wrote: “Either way my guess is that 10 or 20 years from now the next 2 or 3 Supreme Court appointments will be seen as the visible beginning of the Republican party crackup.”
Robert, you wrote: "I think this is wishful thinking. If abortion were to become a settled issue through legislative debate in the states, it would remove a hot button issue from both major parties. It is unclear to me which party would suffer most."
My impression is that what the socially conservative wing of the Republican party is willing to settle for on the abortion issue is very much at odds with public opinion nationally and in most states.
If Roe is overturned, in many states the socially conservative wing of the Republican party is likely to impose a litmus test on aspiring gubernatorial nominees and, in some cases, nominees for legislative seats.
If they do get what they want, their gubernatiorial nominee will face a reduced chance of winning in most states, I would think. And their nominees for state legislative seats will face a reduced chance of winning where their views on abortion are out of step with those of their constituents (which will not always be the case, of course).
If they don't get what they want, the level of socially conservative Republican commitment to helping pro-choice Republican nominees win in general elections may be much reduced. Of course, in some states leadership of the socially conservative groups is likely to be pragmatic, in other states not so.
My impression is that many of the anti-choice/prolife Republican party activists are ordinary folks who have never been enamored of the country club wing of the party. And many of the latter seem to be downright embarrassed to be associated with the former.
July 5, 2005 12:59 PM | Reply | Permalink
I had actually been considering Gonzalez the Dem's best case scenario, but I am actually starting to become more worried about him. I think it is clear that he is very conservative on issues related to economic issues. I think it very likely that his lack of experience as a federal judge and his loyalty to Bush could push him to the Thomas constitution-in-exile extreme. I think the Dem best case scenario is what Jeffrey Rosen writes about in the New Republic (How to Judge), finding a conservative restraintist like Luttig, McConnell, or (especially, as the oldest potential nominee) Wilikson III. They may be very conservatice, but chances are that they will not rule the EPA, FDA, SEC, minimum wage laws, etc unconstitutiuonal.
July 14, 2005 9:16 PM | Reply | Permalink