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Extremism in the Pursuit of Power

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Josh raises an important question about the nature of the Bushies.  Is this a normal, conservative regime or something qualitatively different?

There are some similarities and differences with the previous conservative Administration under President Reagan.  Both Administrations are guided by a supply-side theory that seeks to defund the welfare state.  The major difference is that under Reagan at least one House was under the control of the other party. 

Democrats imposed a brake on both the supply-side ideologues and the power of the Executive Branch.  Imagine what the state of the Bush Administration would be if there was serious oversight?  If the Bushies think its bad now…


Another major difference is that there was no guiding political imperative of realignment animating the Reagan Administration.  The closest to Rove was Gingrich ,and he was definitely an outsider in the Reagan orbit.  In contrast, Karl Rove envisions a McKinley-like realignment.  He wants to crush the Democrats and hear the lamentations of their children.  If one wants to see Rove’s political vision, look no further than the Lone Star state where he smashed the Democrats (using a host of devious means).


Rove is not necessarily a hard core conservative, but a Nixonian revolutionary who appreciates the power of the conservative grassroots.  He is more that willing to ditch conservative theology when it presents an obstacle to power (i.e. tariffs, government spending).  Big government conservatism, national security/patriotism and cultural war are Rove’s cudgels to smash the Democrats.


The problem for the Bushies is that for the time being reality has intruded.  The war is going poorly.  Rove’s cultural war has opened divisions within the party and with the general public.  Big government conservatism is annoying libertarian types. And the stench of Nixonian corruption emanates from the House of Representatives.


Rove and the Bushies will attempt to rebound.  Always remember their motto – extremism in the pursuit of power is no vice.


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"The problem for the Bushies is that for the time being reality has intruded.  The war is going poorly.  Rove's cultural war has opened divisions within the party and with the general public."


LBJ was widely believed to be creating a permanent Democratic majority with the '64 elections.  And then, reality intruded...

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The problem isn't the Bush Administration; the problem is us.  During the Reagan Administration, there was serious opposition from both the Congress and the press.  And Reagan was primarily all about blowing up the deficit (and possibly the Russians).  Bad, but not this bad.

What's worrisome about now is the ease with which we accept actions that I'd have previously thought would have the country up in arms.  The Administration rolls over the rights of a citizen to a trial and a lawyer?  Eh.  We murder the relevant language to define torture as "not torture"?  Eh.  We don't even pretend to care about whether we imprison innocent people from foreign countries forever?  Eh.

I would never, ever have thought this possible.  I'd have thought any of the above would be sufficient to kick an Administration out.  So it's the openness with which they do these things, and that it hasn't cost them, that is troubling.

At the end of the day, we depend on the American people to enforce our norms, not the government.  The last five years has made it clear that I was wrong about what those norms are. 

 

extremism in the pursuit of power is no vice.

What strikes me is the success of the theme song of the Bushies that the Democrats are obstructionists.  What can Dems obstruct?  Outside of threats of filibusters and a few actual filibusters, the Dems can't do anything.  None of their legislation gets out of committee.  The Dems often can't even have a say in the committee meetings, because the Republicans shut down the discussion before Democrats get to speak.  The Republicans hold all the power.  If they can't get their programs going, they have no one to blame but themselves.  But the Republicans are masters of the blame game; somehow they blame the Dems for all that doesn't get through the processes in Congress, and lots of folks swallow their BS.

Rove is no idealogue; he wants power, and he will do anything to retain it.  Read Chapter 18 of Rove's bible, The Prince, by Machiavelli, and you will see what's behind his operation.

 

Either the Rove-Cheney axis was extremely lucky to have the 9/11 events occur, or they made their own luck in that regard. In either case, that television special was all that was needed to scare us into giving up anything or everything just for a feeling of revenge and for a belief that now we are safe. We still hear people say, "but remember what they did to us on 9/11", and it makes not one bit of difference to those people who we decide to wreak havoc on today, as along as it is a brown skinned, Moslem country. They just want revenge. The events of the past 4 years have shot down forever the fiction that Americans are a special people, more caring, more concerned, more generous than other people. We aren't any of those things.

It seems to me that the problem is, in some respects, the American people. We should be wary of shifting the blame away from the current administration.
The problem with the American people, from my view, is that most Americans don't <i>care</i>. If I'm right, the 'norms' you're referring to aren't the problem. The American people are ambivalent, and therefore apply their normative morality selectively. They don't want their kids to torture people, but the actions of government are too far away from normal Americans. Americans go to work, get paid, and send their kids to school. How many Americans do you honestly think spend their day citing blogs, reading non-fiction, celebrating the arrival of <i>The New Republic</i> or <i>Economist</i>, or combing the newspaper?
Not very many. That's the problem.
As an aside: and of those who do, who among them can feel comfortably unskeptical of what they end up reading anyway?

If they were, I might vote for them! But what have they done with their power:

Increased federal spending to record levels

Built up massive budget deficits

Expanded federal government power to investigate individuals

Expanded federal government power to interfere in people's private decisions

Created a vast new homeland security bureaucracy

Expanded military the military bureaucracy

Expanded health programs at great cost to the taxpayer

Supported various tariffs that inhibit free trade

Pursued an aggressive, expensive, interventionist foreign policy aimed at nation building

None of this is at all conservative. It is sickening now to read publications like National Review, which have abandoned all their conservative principles to become cheerleaders for this radically anti-conservative Bush administration. The Democrats should start telling the American people what is obvious to anyone who's not a Republican partisan. The Republican Party is no longer conservative--it's the new party of big spending, big government, and entrenched power. And increasingly it is tainted with the odor of corruption. Get rid of it now!



 

 

LBJ's majority was killed by The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  That put us on the road to George Bush. Nothing that Bush has done threatens the hegemony of intolerance and un-reason. I wish I could feel more hopeful, but I can't.

I know this is not a popular sentiment in this country, but in my opinion, 9/11 was an aberration, not a trend. Just because a ten thousand year flood or a massive tsunami or a huge earthquake strikes doesn't mean that that particular natural disaster is becoming more common. It just means that something that was always in the realm of probability actually happened. Human-caused disasters like 9/11 are similar--they are always in the realm of probability but rare. The fact that we haven't had another 9/11 probably has nothing to do with anything the government has done to supposedly "make us safer." It's probably the same reason we haven't had another massive tsunami since December. The odds are against it.

Look, in the past decade nearly half a million Americans have died on our highways--the equivalent of a 9/11 every single month. Your chance of dying driving to work is far greater than your chance of dying in a terrorist attack in the U.S. Yet, no one is advocating that "everything must change" to prevent auto accidents.  We're acting irrationally as a nation because we're infected with irrational fear. And that suits the Bush administration just fine. Fear is the best way to seize power--and they know it. 

 

I second the comments about public apathy: I never thought it would be possible for so many appalling things to have no discernible consequences.

That said, I also think the Bush administration is different, though I don't know about unique. I believe that they know no restraints of honor or of conscience. I'm sure somehow they think their motives are pure and their ends are noble, or something, but they seem to me to be willing to do literally anything in pursuit of those means. Lie to the people; lie to Congress; subvert the constitution, whatever. I think they have, literally, no shame at all.

(I mean: even Reagan really did raise taxes once it became clear that the deficits were going up too fast. There were some things he would not do. I am not sure there's anything this administration would not do.)

I also think that they are unusually reluctant to ask themselves seriously whether what they're doing is right. Think about the lack of planning for the aftermath of the fall of Saddam. It's not hard to see that you ought to plan not just for your best-case scenario, but for others. It's not hard to see that barring the person who has been in charge of planning at State from the meetings in which you plan is grade-school stuff that you just shouldn't indulge in when the stakes are high. But they didn't do it. Why? I guess they just assume they're right all the time, and the usual cautions just don't apply.

I put this down to a combination of: a President who has never had to face the very real prospect of failure, and thus has never had to force himself to wonder whether his first take on things was wrong, surrounded by people who really seem to have drunk the neocon Kool-Aid. (And some others, like Powell, whom Bush never seems to have gotten along with or taken seriously.)

An administration that always assumes it's right, has no sense of caution or responsibility, and is willing to do more or less anything in pursuit of its goals is, if not unique, still extremely unusual, and frightening.

"LBJ's majority was killed by The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  That put us on the road to George Bush. Nothing that Bush has done threatens the hegemony of intolerance and un-reason."


Don't underestimate the amount that uneasiness about the mess in Vietnam and about social extremism helped the Republicans in '66 and '68.


See the parallels yet?

I don't think Bush knows what a conservative is on a fundamental level, or much cares. Bush strikes me as kind of an average guy who likes to follow more than lead. He follows his Christian values + advice from Karl on social policy questions, follows his upbringing as a businessman and the Repub business lobby on tax and deregulation, follows the advice of hawks and neocons on foreign policy.

Karl, of course, synthesizes and brings in the views of the various "movements"  and lobbies for Bush's consideration, all his information is provided by trusted sources and any contrary ideas or suggestions kept away. To determine the "nature" of the Bush administration it's necessary to examine the inner circle of this impressionable president.

Sorry, but my memory of politics goes back to Truman,  Granted my memory is going (sigh), but I don't see anything really new and different in the current administration.  Yes, one party dominates the three branches, but so did Democrats in the 60's. The state of debate is milder now than in the past--remember "Crime, Corruption, and Communism" as a campaign slogan or the book "None Dare Call It Treason"?  I don't think Bush has ordered anyone to burn down Brookings, nor has Iraq produced anything like My Lai. I think the debate has narrowed, we don't have anyone promoting public power these days and all but the most rabid Republicans agree that education is a federal responsibility.

Our problem is we're human, we remember what fits our narrative and forget what doesn't.  Fifty years from now you all will have a more tempered view.

Once you have untethered yourself from principle, there is little to keep you from engaging in base acts of self-interest.

Once upon a time, there were conservative thinkers in this country who were worthy of respect. Their solutions to the problems of governing were not ones I necessarily agreed with, but there were some underlying principles that they collectively worked from. When I was younger, I used to read through old copies of The National Review my father used to keep around (now he has moved on to the intolerable Washington Times). I didn't agree with their ideas, but I would often find concepts and ideas I hand't thought of before.

This new conservatism bears little semblance to the old. The new adherents offer something to everyone in order to cement just enough support to squeak into positions of power, an act made easier by leaving behind bulky principles.

To add to the ignomious collapse of conservatism as an intellectual movement, the once stoic defenders of the faith such as The National Review have given the whole circus a pass.

...didn't Nixon promise to "bring us together"?

I think the Bushists tend to concentrate power in the hands of a few Inner Circle members because they don't have the skills to govern properly.  There's no deal making or consensus building, it's "Do what we want or we will use State power to crush you."  They don't have the skills or talent to govern any other way.  They sure don't have the smarts.

One of the premises of democracy is that the public is given the information needed to make informed decisions. The public does not get that information from the corporate media. It amazes me what my coworkers do not know; such as the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. I actually had a coworker tell me that she was sure she saw on Fox news where they found WMD.

If the public is not given truthful information about what is going on, they cannot make informed decisions.

<i>Don't underestimate the amount that uneasiness about the mess in Vietnam and about social extremism helped the Republicans in '66 and '68.</i>

The people who voted for LBJ and who opposed the war were the ones who forced him from office. The war in Vietnam was supported by the Right.

The civil rights legislation led to Nixon's Southern Strategy and the defection of segregationists to the Republicans. Reagan cemented that with his States Rights speech in Philadelphia, Miss at the beginning of his 1980 campaign. Since then, its been same old, same old.

 
What exactly is going to change that?

It is hard to just pin it on Bush and Rove, however.  Very good friends of mine have a hard time understanding the truth and arguing in a manner that does not parrot whatever the soundbite of the day might be.  These are otherwise good and intelligent people, who after cross-examination, really believe the same things that I do, yet will obstinately persist in their support of Bush in the face of all evidence.  Would I be the same if the leader of my "tribe" was setting forth these preposterous claims?  I'd like to think I would.  Maybe we are so primitive that most of us will always think that the worst of our "tribe" is better than even the best of yours.  But is today's claimate different than traditional adversarial fights? It's a good question.  I don't know. 

I ran across a good article from a Johns Hopkins professor which might have a good explanation, although the premises may be unprovable.  http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0614-31.htm

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Just to be clear, Petey, you're hoping we run our very own Richard Nixon in '08?  Let me guess, you supported Lieberman.  Maybe Biden in '08?

Feeding on the endless diet of sweets offered by Madison Avenue and Hollywood, American brains are apparently no longer able to swallow a meal of rational thought. Instead, they can digest only emotional appeals like those in the advertisements and movies and sitcoms they devour so greedily. They have no appetite for real news or complex thought and can't stomach anything that requires some teeth to chew on. So please, pass the bon-bons, before I pass out!

(I can't decide if I'm serious or not with this post . . . . it's just when the news is dominated by Paris Hilton and Tom Cruise and runaway brides I start to despair . . . )

I think 1964 was a pivotal year. The Democrats huge victory in 1964 and then again in 1974 led to their undoing. 
Their freakisly large congressional majorities allowed legislation to pass that was far ahead of where the country was.  Although what they did, particularly in the civil rights area, was absolutely correct, in fact, damn near noble, by getting ahead of the country they alienated one hell of a lot people that had previously voted Democratic based on economic concerns.  This allowed the Republicans to cynically appeal to the  'Reagan Democrats' in 1980 and thereafter. This maladministration is the bitter fruit of this continuing trend of people voting on the basis of perceived threats to their culture as opposed to their economic interests. 
To keep people voting against their own economic self-interest requires each successive GOP administration to be more shrill. Hopefully, at some point, perhaps it is occurring now, the message will become so shrill that a clear majority of the people will see through it.

"Let me guess, you supported Lieberman.  Maybe Biden in '08?"


I'm far more of a lefty than you suspect.  I just know how to count up to 51%.


I was an Edwards supporter in '04, with Clark as my second choice.  


(And because the primary race was over when my state rolled around, I actually voted for Kucinich.  Medicare for All!)

"The people who voted for LBJ and who opposed the war were the ones who forced him from office. The war in Vietnam was supported by the Right."


An unease over social extremism and war fatigue played a major part in in moving middle and lower income Dems away from the Party.  These were folks who were not part of the anti-war movement, but were still discomfited by the way the war was going.


The shifting allegiance of these folks, along with the loss of the out and out racist vote, was what led to the big Republican gains in '66 and '68.


And now we see another era with unease over social extremism and war fatigue...


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There is no doubt that Civil Rights played an enormous part in eroding the Democratic majority after the '64 elections.  No doubt whatsoever.


But I think you are missing some of the other important factors in play at the time.  And those other factors have some striking parallels with the scene today.

"The problem isn't the Bush Administration; the problem is us.  During the Reagan Administration, there was serious opposition from both the Congress and the press."


The problem isn't us.  The problem is not having either chamber of Congress.  Without the House or Senate, there are no investigative hearings.


We held the House for the entire Reagan Presidency, and the Senate for the last two years.  That's what made the difference.  Without that platform, it's hard to get heard.

Rove's plan for a grand "realignment" of GOP dominance was a delusion.  He greatly over-estimated the extent of support for a hard-right position on cultural issues.  America was moving steadily to the left on cultural issue - the race card had grown less and less effective, and even the "gay" card (prior to gay marriage becoming an issue) only went so far.  Bush was forced to run as a moderate in order to win in 2000, and only "won" by a combination of freak events - backlash from Clinton's philandering, inept campaigning from Gore and the butterfly ballot.  I think that as of the summer of 2001, Judis and Texeira's Emerging Democratic Majority was very much emerging.

9/11 changed radically changed the picture.  It effectively lurched the country back towards the right culturally, and the Dems have failed to adjust.  It is very unclear, however, how long-lasting and how extensive that lurch is going to be.  It appears, however, that Rove has misread the impact.  9/11 clearly provides the administration with more leeway that it otherwise would have for taking shockingly hard-line positions on civil liberties.  It did not, however, turn  handing the extreme cultural right substantive policy victories (such as on stem cells) is a winning move. 

In reality, I believe that the GOP's full-on embrace of the Christian right is an error that the Dems can exploit, if (and only if) they can present themselves as credible on national security. 
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You are exactly right. The proportion of our populace that one might characterize as "people of good will" is certainly large enough to rebuke the evil that controls our government. But they will not mobilize to issue that rebuke if they remain in a corporate media-induced torpor.

"<span class="Apple-style-span">What's worrisome about now is the ease with which we accept actions that I'd have previously thought would have the country up in arms."</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">
</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">I'd like to agree with your sentiment but a couple of years ago I came across an article the cited a Gallup poll taken in the week after the Kent State Murders. It said that 58% of those responding thought the students were to blame.</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">
</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">Blew my mind.</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">
</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">And I started to think that I had been particularly susceptible to the "America" propaganda as a child. </span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">
</span&gt<span class="Apple-style-span">You know, that it could never happen here.</span&gt

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There is a fundamental difference with this gang, and it is a difference that the damned democrats have apparently failed to realize as of yet.  These aren't reasonable people.  They are ruthless cutthroats who will do anything to get their way.  The D's are still acting as if their opponents are rational, reasonable, and sane.  They have to stop doing that.  These bastards will not stab you in the back, they'll gut you face to face and laugh about it.  They simply cannot be trusted, period.

i What exactly is going to change that?

I think it was Joe Klein who had an interesting perspective in Time a couple of weeks ago on the possibility of a populist challenge in either or both parties.  Immigration.  Globalization.  The middle-class eventually figuring out that the anti-tax folks are benefiting the wealthiest at the expense of the average people trying to send their kids to college.  The backlash against the Iraq War may take a different form than did the backlash against Vietnam. 

The public does not get that information from the corporate media. It amazes me what my coworkers do not know; such as the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq.

The fact that no WMDs have been uncovered in Iraq has been reported many times in the "corporate media."  (Although Fox might be  a different story.) 

If the public is not given truthful information about what is going on, they cannot make informed decisions.

Whatever the failings of the media, if the public do not make an effort to inform themselves, they will not know what is going on. 

You think this is bad, you should see what they got away with in WWII, when they rounded up and imprisoned tens of thousands of citizens of Japanese descent, even though there was no particular reason to suspect them except for their race. 


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Hillary wants power too, like all ambitious politicians.  She is positioning herself in the center to get the White House, and any power that comes from it.

Her husband, the master of triangulation, is helping her.  He cozied up to the Bushes, and even said, "Barbara calls me his 'son.' "

 

"George H.W. Bush's Daughter-in-Law, Hillary Clinton, Is Running for Presidency unopposed"  

There is some truth in every satire.

 

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I believe it was Grover Norquist who equated bipartisanship with date rape?  That pretty much says it all.

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extremist ideology, opportunism, greed, corruption

This reminds me of an email that was exposed in the Washington Post -- probably six or seven years ago.  It was from a high ranking Republican (maybe even DeLay) and someone had written him about their concerns that attacking Clinton over something else during the whole Monicagate might be going a bit too far - kicking someone when they're down, so to speak.  The response in this email was truly hard to read.  It said something to the effect of " Not only do we kick them when they're down, we keep kicking and pull out his fingernails one by one, then bash his head in with bricks, then pulverize him with a hot iron spike, them smash his limp body until ..."  You get the idea.  I wish I had saved it.   It was so hypocritical for the leader of the family values movement.  I was always disappointed that nothing more came of it.

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