Bad Language
Here's a little tidbit to advance Pascal Riche's inquiry into America's aversion to naughty languages. According to my father, certified professional screenwriter, the MPAA rules for avoiding an R-Rating allow you to deploy the term "shit" as many times as you want and allow you up to two uses of "fuck" as long as the word appears in a non-sexual context. What kind of logic there is to that, I really couldn't say.
The other big quirk in the film censorship system, as far as I'm concerned, is that when it comes to violence the quantity (in the sense of body count, etc.) is less of a factor than the bloodiness. Now there's an obvious sense in which really gorey violence is going to be more disturbing to children (and, for that matter, adults) than large-scale killing where the bodies simply crumple bloodlessly. But if I had kids (and maybe actual parents will offer some compelling alternative reasoning) I would want such violence as they're exposed to in the media to be disturbing. After all, violence is disturbing, and if kids are going to learn about its incidence in the world, that should be one of the takeaway lessons.












It is because of Amerca's obsession with sex and any "taboo" subject matter. We should all face the facts that part of America loves sex and part of America loathes anything sexual. The part of the population which thinks any interest in sex, other then for reproduction, is morally perverse. They are motivated by puritanical religious mores and push the government to limit the public's exposure to anything erotic. They try to control sexual acts, speech and thoughts of society claiming they are "protecting" American values. Which begs the question...when did enjoying sex become such a "bad" thing? (which I will address later). But when prohibitions are put on anything it piques interest in that subject. The first thing recorded after the movie camera was invented was, you guessed it, people having sex. There were the notorius "French Postcards" during the Victorian Era. And when we try to limit erotica, as is happening for the last 20 years since the Meese Commission Report, the interest in erotica blooms. People then want to see this "taboo" subject matter for themselves. In Europe the attitudes are much different about sex. In many european countries prostitution is legal, and there is much less "moral outrage" over pornography and eroticism.
American students are taught about the Puritans in Colonial America. They read stories about "Scarlet Letters" and the Salem Witch Trials. The Age of Enlightenment dawned and Puritanism fell out of favor. Even though Puritanism was discredited before the American Revolution it still is part of the national subconsciousness. There are some in America today who romanticize the era when alleged witches were burned at the stake and adulterers were publically disgraced, humiliated and jailed. As a society we have never fully given up on the ideals of the Puritans. And anybody who "enjoys sex too much" still must wear the Scarlet Letter.
June 19, 2005 5:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matt: If my movie script contains the line: "Fuck U Conservative Knuckleheads!" does that count as one or two uses of the F word?
June 19, 2005 5:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
Reminds me of a comment Chuck Palahniuk (or somebody else associated with the movie) made about the outrage over Fight Club. He contrasted the uproar over the violence in Fight Club, even though only one person dies in the whole movie, with the free pass that the latest Bond movie, or something similar, got, even though that movie had an incredibly high (though bloodless) body count. His point was something to the effect that the movies (and society) have no problem glorifying violence, but when portrayed in a realistic and horrific manner, people start protesting. Can't pop the nice little bubble of naivete people want to live in.
June 19, 2005 6:12 PM | Reply | Permalink
Matthew Yglesias:
Children do not need to be taught violence is disturbing. And teachings regarding the incidence of violence are lost when the message is buried in mind numbing gore.
But the usual message in America is that sex is bad, violence is as American as cherry pie, as H. Rap Brown said.
June 19, 2005 6:46 PM | Reply | Permalink
and allow you up to two uses of "fuck" as long as the word appears in a non-sexual context. What kind of logic there is to that, I really couldn't say.
Matt, I couldn't say either. No kind of logic. It was a perfectly good four letter word for a sex act which has been degraded by overuse in a non-sexual context. I have to admit that I use it myself, and mostly in a non-sexual context, so I can't very well be the language police here. And three uses of the word in a movie would give it an "R" rating. This must drive the writers nuts. Thanks for the inside scoop.
June 19, 2005 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
"The other big quirk in the film censorship system, as far as I'm concerned, is that when it comes to violence the quantity (in the sense of body count, etc.) is less of a factor than the bloodiness."
I assume you're aware of the story of how to avoid an X Rating, Taxi Driver had to process its climactic scene on half color / half B&W film stock to decrease the amount of red in the blood.
June 19, 2005 6:49 PM | Reply | Permalink
The MPAA is bullcrap. An R-rated movie is for adults, kids 17 and under can't even get in without an adult, they should stop trying limit how much gore people can see or how many f-bombs adults choose to hear. I work in the movie biz here in Hollywood, I'm 27, I remember getting into Friday the 13th movies when I was a kid - with my parent's permission. Didn't faze me at all, and in fact was a ton of fun. Rememer the Nazi's face melting in "Raider's of the Lost Ark"? You don't see that kind of gore in mainstream movies anymore.
It's like the scare over marijuana, just a bunch of bogus moralizing. If you don't want to see an R-rated movie, or you don't want your kids seeing them, then don't go. But don't make me, as an adult, have to see toned-down, non-violent, weak-kneed action movies. Hell, "Total Recall" would probably get an NC-17 rating if it was released now.
R used to be for adults. Now it is for adults who can't handle real life.
June 19, 2005 6:57 PM | Reply | Permalink
June 19, 2005 7:26 PM | Reply | Permalink
I think being a parent has a big impact on how most people view the rating system. Before I had kids, the rating system seemed ridiculous to me. Now that I have kids, I'm thankful there is a system in place that gives me some clue as to the content of a movie. My kids are still young. I want to know if there is going to be cartoon violence or realistic violence in a movie. Some people might feel that kids need to be 'disturbed' by violence. But I'd rather know that if I go to a movie with a G-rating, it's unlikely that my kids are going to have nightmares for the next week. I appreciate the filter when it comes to profanity and sex, as well. Now that I have kids, I get the difference between PG and PG-13.
Question: Just how 'disturbed' do you want your children from watching a movie? Night terror scared? Just wetting the bed scared? Scarred for life scared? Help a brother out here.
June 19, 2005 8:22 PM | Reply | Permalink
As the father of very young kids I can tell you that nothing is more sure to get a laugh out of them than a cartoonish pratfall. Drop a stuffed animal on the floor and blow a raspberry as it hits, and they'll be howling with mirth.
It's always seems a bit strange to me that we use the same words for the stuff that happens to Wile E Coyote as with what happens to say, annoying teens in slasher movies. The consequences of the acts (none, in Wile E Coyote's case) and the tone with which they are presented make the violence in the two cases an utterly different thing.
And it's not as if it's a simple binary - cartoon vs. real. The slasher-movie violence is intended to be maximally gory and frightening, but it's also completely unreal. Nobody is ever actually killed by red-faces demons in a hat that come from your dreams. Such depictions are as different from more factual depictions of violence as they are from the cartoon. In fact, I'd venture to say that each portrayal of violence needs to be taken as a separate moral case, with the full context considered.
Yet bureaucracies demand metrics, as do rule-based systems of classification. At least the screenwriters can know what the metrics are, even if they are stupid and arbitrary. The alternative is requiring people to think and use good judgement, which these days is apparently an impossible thing to ask.
June 19, 2005 11:25 PM | Reply | Permalink
I remember reading that David Fincher had to recut the scene where Ed Norton beats Jared Leto to a bloody pulp because the MPAA thought it was too gory for an R rating. The recut scene showed less of the actual fight and more of the onlookers' horrified reactions. Interestingly, Fincher thought the new cut was more difficult to watch and more disturbing but the MPAA was happy because it showed less blood.
June 20, 2005 6:48 AM | Reply | Permalink
I agree that guidance as to content is helpful with children and youth, but I find that certain movies rated PG and PG13 would not get that rating from me if I were the censor, not because of the sex, but because of the violence. I have been to movies rated age-appropriate for my grandchildren and squirmed in my seat at the level of violence portrayed.
June 20, 2005 7:16 AM | Reply | Permalink
I wish that after seeing a war movie the thought of going to war would be huanting enough to at least demand a second look at bogus reasoning. It is not an exageration to say that Hollywood violence is largely responsible for American eagerness to kill. What could have been an effective tool in relaying the actual horrors of violence has instead been squandered by producers who know Vin Diesel couldn't sell a single ticket unless more than a handful of people are shown being killed.
June 20, 2005 8:01 AM | Reply | Permalink
Alfred Hitchcock's "Psycho" was terror at it's best. What kind of picture would it have been under the heel of today's "Moral Value Censors". Watch what you wish for.
June 20, 2005 10:10 AM | Reply | Permalink
The Ratings system was not designed to protect impressionable children from moral or psychological damage--it was designed to protect bourgeoisie (for lack of a better word in this particular context, it ain't a term I generally like to throw around) sensibilities. A few ideas of this sensibility include:
--Sex is okay for procreation and if it is "making love" (and in theatrical situations suitably accompanied by muted light and dippy music). Otherwise the woman must be a victim or a whore, and someone must be punished.
--Violence is essential to the execution of justice. I just don't want to have any part of it or see any aspect of it that might appear gross or dirty to me, or that might force me to face the fact that those subjected to it are actual people.
etc, etc, etc
June 20, 2005 10:37 AM | Reply | Permalink